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Life After Roe v. Wade?
December 20, 2004
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
by W. James Antle III
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Next month, Americans on both sides of the abortion debate will either
celebrate or mourn the 32 nd anniversary of Roe v. Wade. The occasion
will
be marked by pro-life promises that the Supreme Court decision will one
day
be overturned and pro-choice warnings that such a reversal is imminent
unless their supporters act now. But unlike in past years, there may be
more
to these predictions than fundraising-appeal hyperbole.
In the last election, pro-lifers gained in both houses of Congress and
President Bush, who opposes abortion in most cases, won a second term
with a
popular majority. These results, followed by the Senate GOP's apparent
taming of Arlen Specter, will expedite the confirmation of judges who
believe Roe was wrongly decided. And the legislative momentum was
already on
the right-to-life side. In the last few years, Congress has passed laws
banning partial-birth abortion, making it easier for medical personnel
to
opt out of participating in abortions, protecting fetuses that survive
abortion attempts and recognizing unborn children as separate victims
when
killed or injured during assaults on pregnant women.
This trend is not merely observed by conservative Republicans. No less
a
liberal pro-choice advocate than Sen. John Kerry, fresh from his 2004
presidential-election defeat, has urged his party to moderate its
rhetoric
on abortion. In the next Congress, Senate Democrats will be led by a
pro-lifer. A pro-lifer is also a serious candidate to head the
Democratic
National Committee, with the support not only of incoming Senate
Minority
Leader Harry Reid but also pro-choice House Minority Leader Nancy
Pelosi.
A number of current events and technological developments have helped
increase pro-life sentiment. Improved ultrasounds show expectant
mothers not
blobs of cells or some amorphous product of conception, but images of
their
developing offspring that might as well be prenatal baby pictures. In
the
Scott Peterson trial, news watchers were regularly reminded that there
were
two victims and that the loss of Laci's unborn son Conner was no less
real
to the family they left behind. Just last week, a pregnant woman was
slain
and her unborn child was taken from her womb by her killer. The
Associated
Press reported that the baby girl - not a ball of tissue - was found
and was
in good condition at this writing.
All of this has demonstrated the humanity of the unborn more powerfully
than
most political activism, and in the process has begun to change some
minds.
Even many who were once dogmatically pro-choice and still oppose
aspects of
the right-to-life agenda are starting to question some of their
certitudes.
Washington Post columnist Richard Cohen is among them. He recently
observed
that in the 1966 original production of the film Alfie, a woman close
to the
title character has an abortion. In this year's remake starring Jude
Law,
she does not. "Abortion is no longer seen as central to sexual
liberation,"
wrote Cohen, "but rather as much more troubling and problematic."
James Pinkerton surveyed the pro-life gains and declared in Newsday,
"On
abortion, the tide has turned." But writing later in Tech Central
Station,
he sounded a cautionary note. If antiabortion laws were adopted, how
enforceable would they be in liberal jurisdictions? Would progressive
district attorneys prosecute abortionists and would juries in bluish
areas
convict them?
After all, our country - with its more than 1 million abortions per
year -
remains deeply divided over when human life begins. Not everyone with
moral
concerns about abortion fully endorses pro-lifers' conclusions.
It's not merely a question of whether some pro-lifers would overreach
politically in the event that Roe finally fell. Some undoubtedly would,
just
as the case could be made that some pro-lifers might already be
overreaching
in response to what was simply a successful election cycle. But
ultimately,
the more important question is how we can most effectively protect
pre-born
life, in fact as well as law.
Cultural transformation is as essential to the success of the pro-life
cause
as political victories, if not more so. It's true that the law can be a
teacher - as Robert P. George and Ramesh Ponnuru wrote some years ago
in
First Things, "culture and law do not exist in two separate,
hermetically
sealed containers." But law is a blunt and imperfect tool; rarely can
it
create a cultural consensus out of whole cloth where none exists.
"This is why the fight against legal abortion cannot stand alone," the
Christian writer Frederica Mathewes-Green once explained. "If we could
padlock all the abortion clinics tomorrow, we'd see the next morning a
line
3200 women long pounding on the doors." The idea, described by
Pinkerton in
his fascinating Tech Central Station essay, that "the best way to
guarantee
a cultural shift is to punish a few outlying miscreants" may have it
exactly
backwards. A cultural shift in which more Americans adhered to pro-life
views while pro-lifers themselves increased their support of
alternatives
for women in crisis pregnancies might make changes in the law more
workable.
Pro-lifers should be gratified by political advances and new optimism
in the
legal struggle against Roe. But they - we - should never forget that
much of
the work that remains to be done is outside the realm of law and
politics
entirely.
W. James Antle III
.

User: "•R.L.Measures"

Title: Re: Life after Roe v Wade? 21 Dec 2004 04:06:17 AM
In article <1103560818.586599.202760@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "J
Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:

http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/archive/a-b/antle/2004/antle122004.htm
Life After Roe v. Wade?


December 20, 2004



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
by W. James Antle III



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Next month, Americans on both sides of the abortion debate will either
celebrate or mourn the 32 nd anniversary of Roe v. Wade. The occasion
will
be marked by pro-life promises that the Supreme Court decision will one
day
be overturned and pro-choice warnings that such a reversal is imminent
unless their supporters act now. But unlike in past years, there may be
more
to these predictions than fundraising-appeal hyperbole.


In the last election, pro-lifers gained in both houses of Congress and

President Bush, who opposes abortion in most cases, won a second term

with a popular majority. ...

** G. W. Bush was advised by Karl Rove that winning the undecided RC vote
required saying that one is opposed to abortion. My guess is that no
Neo-con on this planet would vote for paying the added cost for the
unwanted children that would result from a ban.



James Pinkerton surveyed the pro-life gains and declared in Newsday,
"On abortion, the tide has turned." But writing later in Tech Central
Station, he sounded a cautionary note. If antiabortion laws were adopted, how
enforceable would they be in liberal jurisdictions? Would progressive
district attorneys prosecute abortionists and would juries in bluish
areas convict them?


After all, our country - with its more than 1 million abortions per
year -remains deeply divided over when human life begins.

** Currently, the widespread use of those damnable condoms is responsible
for indirectly killing more babies than that. Outlawing abortion as well
as outlawing all means of effective birth control is needed to prevent
this simply awful massacre.
--
€ R.L.Measures, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
remove _ from e-mail adr
.

User: "JohnN"

Title: Re: Life after Roe v Wade? 21 Dec 2004 12:58:51 PM
J Young wrote:

http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/archive/a-b/antle/2004/antle122004.htm
Life After Roe v. Wade?


December 20, 2004




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

by W. James Antle III




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Next month, Americans on both sides of the abortion debate will

either

celebrate or mourn the 32 nd anniversary of Roe v. Wade. The occasion
will
be marked by pro-life promises that the Supreme Court decision will

one

day
be overturned and pro-choice warnings that such a reversal is

imminent

unless their supporters act now. But unlike in past years, there may

be

more
to these predictions than fundraising-appeal hyperbole.


In the last election, pro-lifers gained in both houses of Congress

and

President Bush, who opposes abortion in most cases, won a second term
with a
popular majority. These results, followed by the Senate GOP's

apparent

taming of Arlen Specter, will expedite the confirmation of judges who
believe Roe was wrongly decided. And the legislative momentum was
already on
the right-to-life side. In the last few years, Congress has passed

laws


banning partial-birth abortion, making it easier for medical

personnel

to
opt out of participating in abortions, protecting fetuses that

survive

abortion attempts and recognizing unborn children as separate victims
when
killed or injured during assaults on pregnant women.

Perhaps the Republicans and the anti-abortion Religious Riech will have
the balls to pass a constitutional admendment out of Congress to
overturn Roe v Wade. I mean, if they are so dead against abortion why
vote for judges to make a non-partisian ruling when you can really show
hwat you're made of. Why would the GOP be afraid of a constitutional
admendment?



This trend is not merely observed by conservative Republicans. No

less

a
liberal pro-choice advocate than Sen. John Kerry, fresh from his 2004
presidential-election defeat, has urged his party to moderate its
rhetoric
on abortion. In the next Congress, Senate Democrats will be led by a
pro-lifer. A pro-lifer is also a serious candidate to head the
Democratic
National Committee, with the support not only of incoming Senate
Minority
Leader Harry Reid but also pro-choice House Minority Leader Nancy
Pelosi.


A number of current events and technological developments have helped
increase pro-life sentiment. Improved ultrasounds show expectant
mothers not
blobs of cells or some amorphous product of conception, but images of
their
developing offspring that might as well be prenatal baby pictures. In
the
Scott Peterson trial, news watchers were regularly reminded that

there

were
two victims and that the loss of Laci's unborn son Conner was no less
real
to the family they left behind. Just last week, a pregnant woman was
slain
and her unborn child was taken from her womb by her killer. The
Associated
Press reported that the baby girl - not a ball of tissue - was found
and was
in good condition at this writing.


All of this has demonstrated the humanity of the unborn more

powerfully

than
most political activism, and in the process has begun to change some
minds.
Even many who were once dogmatically pro-choice and still oppose
aspects of
the right-to-life agenda are starting to question some of their
certitudes.
Washington Post columnist Richard Cohen is among them. He recently
observed
that in the 1966 original production of the film Alfie, a woman close
to the
title character has an abortion. In this year's remake starring Jude
Law,
she does not. "Abortion is no longer seen as central to sexual
liberation,"
wrote Cohen, "but rather as much more troubling and problematic."


James Pinkerton surveyed the pro-life gains and declared in Newsday,
"On
abortion, the tide has turned." But writing later in Tech Central
Station,
he sounded a cautionary note. If antiabortion laws were adopted, how
enforceable would they be in liberal jurisdictions? Would progressive
district attorneys prosecute abortionists and would juries in bluish
areas
convict them?


After all, our country - with its more than 1 million abortions per
year -
remains deeply divided over when human life begins. Not everyone with
moral
concerns about abortion fully endorses pro-lifers' conclusions.


It's not merely a question of whether some pro-lifers would overreach
politically in the event that Roe finally fell. Some undoubtedly

would,

just
as the case could be made that some pro-lifers might already be
overreaching
in response to what was simply a successful election cycle. But
ultimately,
the more important question is how we can most effectively protect
pre-born
life, in fact as well as law.

No the most important question for the anti-abortion industry is how
will they raise enough money after Roe is overturn, if it ever is, to
pay themselves a salary? They will never really try to overturn Roe
because it is a cash cow.



Cultural transformation is as essential to the success of the

pro-life

cause
as political victories, if not more so. It's true that the law can be

a


teacher - as Robert P. George and Ramesh Ponnuru wrote some years ago
in
First Things, "culture and law do not exist in two separate,
hermetically
sealed containers." But law is a blunt and imperfect tool; rarely can
it
create a cultural consensus out of whole cloth where none exists.


"This is why the fight against legal abortion cannot stand alone,"

the

Christian writer Frederica Mathewes-Green once explained. "If we

could

padlock all the abortion clinics tomorrow, we'd see the next morning

a

line
3200 women long pounding on the doors." The idea, described by
Pinkerton in
his fascinating Tech Central Station essay, that "the best way to
guarantee
a cultural shift is to punish a few outlying miscreants" may have it
exactly
backwards. A cultural shift in which more Americans adhered to

pro-life


views while pro-lifers themselves increased their support of
alternatives
for women in crisis pregnancies might make changes in the law more
workable.

The anti-abortion industry will have to convince their socalled
pro-life sheep to adopt more American babies.



Pro-lifers should be gratified by political advances and new optimism
in the
legal struggle against Roe. But they - we - should never forget that
much of
the work that remains to be done is outside the realm of law and
politics
entirely.

The set up for the excuse for when it never happens.
JohnN
.

User: "Riain Y. Barton"

Title: Re: Life after Roe v Wade? 20 Dec 2004 06:16:41 PM
What a stupid ***** you are
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1103560818.586599.202760@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
| http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/archive/a-b/antle/2004/antle122004.htm
| Life After Roe v. Wade?
|
|
| December 20, 2004
|
|
|
| --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
| by W. James Antle III
|
|
|
| --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Next month, Americans on both sides of the abortion debate will either
| celebrate or mourn the 32 nd anniversary of Roe v. Wade. The occasion
| will
| be marked by pro-life promises that the Supreme Court decision will one
| day
| be overturned and pro-choice warnings that such a reversal is imminent
| unless their supporters act now. But unlike in past years, there may be
| more
| to these predictions than fundraising-appeal hyperbole.
|
|
| In the last election, pro-lifers gained in both houses of Congress and
| President Bush, who opposes abortion in most cases, won a second term
| with a
| popular majority. These results, followed by the Senate GOP's apparent
| taming of Arlen Specter, will expedite the confirmation of judges who
| believe Roe was wrongly decided. And the legislative momentum was
| already on
| the right-to-life side. In the last few years, Congress has passed laws
|
| banning partial-birth abortion, making it easier for medical personnel
| to
| opt out of participating in abortions, protecting fetuses that survive
| abortion attempts and recognizing unborn children as separate victims
| when
| killed or injured during assaults on pregnant women.
|
|
| This trend is not merely observed by conservative Republicans. No less
| a
| liberal pro-choice advocate than Sen. John Kerry, fresh from his 2004
| presidential-election defeat, has urged his party to moderate its
| rhetoric
| on abortion. In the next Congress, Senate Democrats will be led by a
| pro-lifer. A pro-lifer is also a serious candidate to head the
| Democratic
| National Committee, with the support not only of incoming Senate
| Minority
| Leader Harry Reid but also pro-choice House Minority Leader Nancy
| Pelosi.
|
|
| A number of current events and technological developments have helped
| increase pro-life sentiment. Improved ultrasounds show expectant
| mothers not
| blobs of cells or some amorphous product of conception, but images of
| their
| developing offspring that might as well be prenatal baby pictures. In
| the
| Scott Peterson trial, news watchers were regularly reminded that there
| were
| two victims and that the loss of Laci's unborn son Conner was no less
| real
| to the family they left behind. Just last week, a pregnant woman was
| slain
| and her unborn child was taken from her womb by her killer. The
| Associated
| Press reported that the baby girl - not a ball of tissue - was found
| and was
| in good condition at this writing.
|
|
| All of this has demonstrated the humanity of the unborn more powerfully
| than
| most political activism, and in the process has begun to change some
| minds.
| Even many who were once dogmatically pro-choice and still oppose
| aspects of
| the right-to-life agenda are starting to question some of their
| certitudes.
| Washington Post columnist Richard Cohen is among them. He recently
| observed
| that in the 1966 original production of the film Alfie, a woman close
| to the
| title character has an abortion. In this year's remake starring Jude
| Law,
| she does not. "Abortion is no longer seen as central to sexual
| liberation,"
| wrote Cohen, "but rather as much more troubling and problematic."
|
|
| James Pinkerton surveyed the pro-life gains and declared in Newsday,
| "On
| abortion, the tide has turned." But writing later in Tech Central
| Station,
| he sounded a cautionary note. If antiabortion laws were adopted, how
| enforceable would they be in liberal jurisdictions? Would progressive
| district attorneys prosecute abortionists and would juries in bluish
| areas
| convict them?
|
|
| After all, our country - with its more than 1 million abortions per
| year -
| remains deeply divided over when human life begins. Not everyone with
| moral
| concerns about abortion fully endorses pro-lifers' conclusions.
|
|
| It's not merely a question of whether some pro-lifers would overreach
| politically in the event that Roe finally fell. Some undoubtedly would,
| just
| as the case could be made that some pro-lifers might already be
| overreaching
| in response to what was simply a successful election cycle. But
| ultimately,
| the more important question is how we can most effectively protect
| pre-born
| life, in fact as well as law.
|
|
| Cultural transformation is as essential to the success of the pro-life
| cause
| as political victories, if not more so. It's true that the law can be a
|
| teacher - as Robert P. George and Ramesh Ponnuru wrote some years ago
| in
| First Things, "culture and law do not exist in two separate,
| hermetically
| sealed containers." But law is a blunt and imperfect tool; rarely can
| it
| create a cultural consensus out of whole cloth where none exists.
|
|
| "This is why the fight against legal abortion cannot stand alone," the
| Christian writer Frederica Mathewes-Green once explained. "If we could
| padlock all the abortion clinics tomorrow, we'd see the next morning a
| line
| 3200 women long pounding on the doors." The idea, described by
| Pinkerton in
| his fascinating Tech Central Station essay, that "the best way to
| guarantee
| a cultural shift is to punish a few outlying miscreants" may have it
| exactly
| backwards. A cultural shift in which more Americans adhered to pro-life
|
| views while pro-lifers themselves increased their support of
| alternatives
| for women in crisis pregnancies might make changes in the law more
| workable.
|
|
| Pro-lifers should be gratified by political advances and new optimism
| in the
| legal struggle against Roe. But they - we - should never forget that
| much of
| the work that remains to be done is outside the realm of law and
| politics
| entirely.
|
|
| W. James Antle III
|
.
User: "Susan Cohen"

Title: Re: Life after Roe v Wade? 21 Dec 2004 01:53:07 AM
"Riain Y. Barton" <riain@riain.us> wrote in message
news:SqSdnf80_NbT91rcRVn-3Q@comcast.com...

What a stupid ***** you are

He has certainly outlined the aims of the anti-choice fascists, tho'.
Susan




"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1103560818.586599.202760@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
| http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/archive/a-b/antle/2004/antle122004.htm
| Life After Roe v. Wade?
|
|
| December 20, 2004
|
|
|
| --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
| by W. James Antle III
|
|
|
| --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Next month, Americans on both sides of the abortion debate will either
| celebrate or mourn the 32 nd anniversary of Roe v. Wade. The occasion
| will
| be marked by pro-life promises that the Supreme Court decision will one
| day
| be overturned and pro-choice warnings that such a reversal is imminent
| unless their supporters act now. But unlike in past years, there may be
| more
| to these predictions than fundraising-appeal hyperbole.
|
|
| In the last election, pro-lifers gained in both houses of Congress and
| President Bush, who opposes abortion in most cases, won a second term
| with a
| popular majority. These results, followed by the Senate GOP's apparent
| taming of Arlen Specter, will expedite the confirmation of judges who
| believe Roe was wrongly decided. And the legislative momentum was
| already on
| the right-to-life side. In the last few years, Congress has passed laws
|
| banning partial-birth abortion, making it easier for medical personnel
| to
| opt out of participating in abortions, protecting fetuses that survive
| abortion attempts and recognizing unborn children as separate victims
| when
| killed or injured during assaults on pregnant women.
|
|
| This trend is not merely observed by conservative Republicans. No less
| a
| liberal pro-choice advocate than Sen. John Kerry, fresh from his 2004
| presidential-election defeat, has urged his party to moderate its
| rhetoric
| on abortion. In the next Congress, Senate Democrats will be led by a
| pro-lifer. A pro-lifer is also a serious candidate to head the
| Democratic
| National Committee, with the support not only of incoming Senate
| Minority
| Leader Harry Reid but also pro-choice House Minority Leader Nancy
| Pelosi.
|
|
| A number of current events and technological developments have helped
| increase pro-life sentiment. Improved ultrasounds show expectant
| mothers not
| blobs of cells or some amorphous product of conception, but images of
| their
| developing offspring that might as well be prenatal baby pictures. In
| the
| Scott Peterson trial, news watchers were regularly reminded that there
| were
| two victims and that the loss of Laci's unborn son Conner was no less
| real
| to the family they left behind. Just last week, a pregnant woman was
| slain
| and her unborn child was taken from her womb by her killer. The
| Associated
| Press reported that the baby girl - not a ball of tissue - was found
| and was
| in good condition at this writing.
|
|
| All of this has demonstrated the humanity of the unborn more powerfully
| than
| most political activism, and in the process has begun to change some
| minds.
| Even many who were once dogmatically pro-choice and still oppose
| aspects of
| the right-to-life agenda are starting to question some of their
| certitudes.
| Washington Post columnist Richard Cohen is among them. He recently
| observed
| that in the 1966 original production of the film Alfie, a woman close
| to the
| title character has an abortion. In this year's remake starring Jude
| Law,
| she does not. "Abortion is no longer seen as central to sexual
| liberation,"
| wrote Cohen, "but rather as much more troubling and problematic."
|
|
| James Pinkerton surveyed the pro-life gains and declared in Newsday,
| "On
| abortion, the tide has turned." But writing later in Tech Central
| Station,
| he sounded a cautionary note. If antiabortion laws were adopted, how
| enforceable would they be in liberal jurisdictions? Would progressive
| district attorneys prosecute abortionists and would juries in bluish
| areas
| convict them?
|
|
| After all, our country - with its more than 1 million abortions per
| year -
| remains deeply divided over when human life begins. Not everyone with
| moral
| concerns about abortion fully endorses pro-lifers' conclusions.
|
|
| It's not merely a question of whether some pro-lifers would overreach
| politically in the event that Roe finally fell. Some undoubtedly would,
| just
| as the case could be made that some pro-lifers might already be
| overreaching
| in response to what was simply a successful election cycle. But
| ultimately,
| the more important question is how we can most effectively protect
| pre-born
| life, in fact as well as law.
|
|
| Cultural transformation is as essential to the success of the pro-life
| cause
| as political victories, if not more so. It's true that the law can be a
|
| teacher - as Robert P. George and Ramesh Ponnuru wrote some years ago
| in
| First Things, "culture and law do not exist in two separate,
| hermetically
| sealed containers." But law is a blunt and imperfect tool; rarely can
| it
| create a cultural consensus out of whole cloth where none exists.
|
|
| "This is why the fight against legal abortion cannot stand alone," the
| Christian writer Frederica Mathewes-Green once explained. "If we could
| padlock all the abortion clinics tomorrow, we'd see the next morning a
| line
| 3200 women long pounding on the doors." The idea, described by
| Pinkerton in
| his fascinating Tech Central Station essay, that "the best way to
| guarantee
| a cultural shift is to punish a few outlying miscreants" may have it
| exactly
| backwards. A cultural shift in which more Americans adhered to pro-life
|
| views while pro-lifers themselves increased their support of
| alternatives
| for women in crisis pregnancies might make changes in the law more
| workable.
|
|
| Pro-lifers should be gratified by political advances and new optimism
| in the
| legal struggle against Roe. But they - we - should never forget that
| much of
| the work that remains to be done is outside the realm of law and
| politics
| entirely.
|
|
| W. James Antle III
|

.
User: "Riain Y. Barton"

Title: Re: Life after Roe v Wade? 21 Dec 2004 02:01:28 AM
Indeed, of course he didn't really need to, most intelligent and rational
people already knew this.
"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:DDQxd.6851$rL3.5404@trnddc03...
|
| "Riain Y. Barton" <riain@riain.us> wrote in message
| news:SqSdnf80_NbT91rcRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
| > What a stupid ***** you are
|
| He has certainly outlined the aims of the anti-choice fascists, tho'.
|
| Susan
| >
| >
| >
| > "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
| > news:1103560818.586599.202760@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
| > | http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/archive/a-b/antle/2004/antle122004.htm
| > | Life After Roe v. Wade?
| > |
| > |
| > | December 20, 2004
| > |
| > |
| > |
| >
| --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
| > | by W. James Antle III
| > |
| > |
| > |
| >
| --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
| > | Next month, Americans on both sides of the abortion debate will either
| > | celebrate or mourn the 32 nd anniversary of Roe v. Wade. The occasion
| > | will
| > | be marked by pro-life promises that the Supreme Court decision will
one
| > | day
| > | be overturned and pro-choice warnings that such a reversal is imminent
| > | unless their supporters act now. But unlike in past years, there may
be
| > | more
| > | to these predictions than fundraising-appeal hyperbole.
| > |
| > |
| > | In the last election, pro-lifers gained in both houses of Congress and
| > | President Bush, who opposes abortion in most cases, won a second term
| > | with a
| > | popular majority. These results, followed by the Senate GOP's apparent
| > | taming of Arlen Specter, will expedite the confirmation of judges who
| > | believe Roe was wrongly decided. And the legislative momentum was
| > | already on
| > | the right-to-life side. In the last few years, Congress has passed
laws
| > |
| > | banning partial-birth abortion, making it easier for medical personnel
| > | to
| > | opt out of participating in abortions, protecting fetuses that survive
| > | abortion attempts and recognizing unborn children as separate victims
| > | when
| > | killed or injured during assaults on pregnant women.
| > |
| > |
| > | This trend is not merely observed by conservative Republicans. No less
| > | a
| > | liberal pro-choice advocate than Sen. John Kerry, fresh from his 2004
| > | presidential-election defeat, has urged his party to moderate its
| > | rhetoric
| > | on abortion. In the next Congress, Senate Democrats will be led by a
| > | pro-lifer. A pro-lifer is also a serious candidate to head the
| > | Democratic
| > | National Committee, with the support not only of incoming Senate
| > | Minority
| > | Leader Harry Reid but also pro-choice House Minority Leader Nancy
| > | Pelosi.
| > |
| > |
| > | A number of current events and technological developments have helped
| > | increase pro-life sentiment. Improved ultrasounds show expectant
| > | mothers not
| > | blobs of cells or some amorphous product of conception, but images of
| > | their
| > | developing offspring that might as well be prenatal baby pictures. In
| > | the
| > | Scott Peterson trial, news watchers were regularly reminded that there
| > | were
| > | two victims and that the loss of Laci's unborn son Conner was no less
| > | real
| > | to the family they left behind. Just last week, a pregnant woman was
| > | slain
| > | and her unborn child was taken from her womb by her killer. The
| > | Associated
| > | Press reported that the baby girl - not a ball of tissue - was found
| > | and was
| > | in good condition at this writing.
| > |
| > |
| > | All of this has demonstrated the humanity of the unborn more
powerfully
| > | than
| > | most political activism, and in the process has begun to change some
| > | minds.
| > | Even many who were once dogmatically pro-choice and still oppose
| > | aspects of
| > | the right-to-life agenda are starting to question some of their
| > | certitudes.
| > | Washington Post columnist Richard Cohen is among them. He recently
| > | observed
| > | that in the 1966 original production of the film Alfie, a woman close
| > | to the
| > | title character has an abortion. In this year's remake starring Jude
| > | Law,
| > | she does not. "Abortion is no longer seen as central to sexual
| > | liberation,"
| > | wrote Cohen, "but rather as much more troubling and problematic."
| > |
| > |
| > | James Pinkerton surveyed the pro-life gains and declared in Newsday,
| > | "On
| > | abortion, the tide has turned." But writing later in Tech Central
| > | Station,
| > | he sounded a cautionary note. If antiabortion laws were adopted, how
| > | enforceable would they be in liberal jurisdictions? Would progressive
| > | district attorneys prosecute abortionists and would juries in bluish
| > | areas
| > | convict them?
| > |
| > |
| > | After all, our country - with its more than 1 million abortions per
| > | year -
| > | remains deeply divided over when human life begins. Not everyone with
| > | moral
| > | concerns about abortion fully endorses pro-lifers' conclusions.
| > |
| > |
| > | It's not merely a question of whether some pro-lifers would overreach
| > | politically in the event that Roe finally fell. Some undoubtedly
would,
| > | just
| > | as the case could be made that some pro-lifers might already be
| > | overreaching
| > | in response to what was simply a successful election cycle. But
| > | ultimately,
| > | the more important question is how we can most effectively protect
| > | pre-born
| > | life, in fact as well as law.
| > |
| > |
| > | Cultural transformation is as essential to the success of the pro-life
| > | cause
| > | as political victories, if not more so. It's true that the law can be
a
| > |
| > | teacher - as Robert P. George and Ramesh Ponnuru wrote some years ago
| > | in
| > | First Things, "culture and law do not exist in two separate,
| > | hermetically
| > | sealed containers." But law is a blunt and imperfect tool; rarely can
| > | it
| > | create a cultural consensus out of whole cloth where none exists.
| > |
| > |
| > | "This is why the fight against legal abortion cannot stand alone," the
| > | Christian writer Frederica Mathewes-Green once explained. "If we could
| > | padlock all the abortion clinics tomorrow, we'd see the next morning a
| > | line
| > | 3200 women long pounding on the doors." The idea, described by
| > | Pinkerton in
| > | his fascinating Tech Central Station essay, that "the best way to
| > | guarantee
| > | a cultural shift is to punish a few outlying miscreants" may have it
| > | exactly
| > | backwards. A cultural shift in which more Americans adhered to
pro-life
| > |
| > | views while pro-lifers themselves increased their support of
| > | alternatives
| > | for women in crisis pregnancies might make changes in the law more
| > | workable.
| > |
| > |
| > | Pro-lifers should be gratified by political advances and new optimism
| > | in the
| > | legal struggle against Roe. But they - we - should never forget that
| > | much of
| > | the work that remains to be done is outside the realm of law and
| > | politics
| > | entirely.
| > |
| > |
| > | W. James Antle III
| > |
| >
|
|
.

User: ""

Title: Re: Life after Roe v Wade? 21 Dec 2004 02:11:35 PM
x-no-archive: yes
Susan Cohen wrote:

"Riain Y. Barton" <riain@riain.us> wrote in message
news:SqSdnf80_NbT91rcRVn-3Q@comcast.com...

What a stupid ***** you are


He has certainly outlined the aims of the anti-choice fascists, tho'.

Susan

Nope. Rather he has clearly outlined the aims of the pro-abortion
Fascists committing genocide on an unprecedented scale and what needs
to be done to combat this great evil set loose in the land thirty years
ago.
Cleopatra
.
User: "Ray Fischer"

Title: Re: Life after Roe v Wade? 21 Dec 2004 08:18:37 PM
<Merry_Christmas@linkedto.no-spam-allowed.com> wrote:

Susan Cohen wrote:

"Riain Y. Barton" <riain@riain.us> wrote in message

What a stupid ***** you are


He has certainly outlined the aims of the anti-choice fascists, tho'.

Susan



Nope. Rather he has clearly outlined the aims of the pro-abortion
Fascists committing genocide on an unprecedented scale and what needs

You pro-liars are nothing it not hate-filled morons.
What "morals" you have.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.
User: "Archie Leach"

Title: Re: Life after Roe v Wade? 21 Dec 2004 09:41:49 PM
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 02:18:37 GMT,
(Ray
Fischer) scribbled:

<Merry_Christmas@linkedto.no-spam-allowed.com> wrote:

Susan Cohen wrote:

"Riain Y. Barton" <riain@riain.us> wrote in message


What a stupid ***** you are


He has certainly outlined the aims of the anti-choice fascists, tho'.

Susan



Nope. Rather he has clearly outlined the aims of the pro-abortion
Fascists committing genocide on an unprecedented scale and what needs


You pro-liars are nothing it not hate-filled morons.

What "morals" you have.

I was going to start singing, "It's like RAAAAAAIIIIAAAAAAAIIINNN, on
your wedding day", but then I realized, considering that this is about
the third or fourth Irony Meter of mine that Silly Ray has blown to
pieces this week, the more appropriate song would be "Another One
Bites The Dust"......

copyright ARCHIE LEACH
"On Wordscreens of the World"
.


User: "Riain Y. Barton"

Title: Re: Life after Roe v Wade? 21 Dec 2004 05:14:32 PM
***** you stupid *****.
<Merry_Christmas@linkedto.no-spam-allowed.com> wrote in message
news:1103658192.666589.237340@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
| x-no-archive: yes
|
|
| Susan Cohen wrote:
| > "Riain Y. Barton" <riain@riain.us> wrote in message
| > news:SqSdnf80_NbT91rcRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
| > > What a stupid ***** you are
| >
| > He has certainly outlined the aims of the anti-choice fascists, tho'.
| >
| > Susan
|
|
| Nope. Rather he has clearly outlined the aims of the pro-abortion
| Fascists committing genocide on an unprecedented scale and what needs
| to be done to combat this great evil set loose in the land thirty years
| ago.
|
| Cleopatra
|
.


User: ""

Title: Re: Life after Roe v Wade? 21 Dec 2004 01:47:09 PM
x-no-archive: yes
Susan Cohen wrote:

"Riain Y. Barton" <riain@riain.us> wrote in message
news:SqSdnf80_NbT91rcRVn-3Q@comcast.com...

What a stupid ***** you are


He has certainly outlined the aims of the anti-choice fascists, tho'.

Susan

Nope. Rather he has clearly outlined the aims of the pro-abortion
Fascists committing genocide on an unprecedented scale and what needs
to be done to combat this great evil set loose on the land thirty years
ago.
Cleopatra
.
User: "Spartakus"

Title: Re: Life after Roe v Wade? 21 Dec 2004 01:58:02 PM
<Fuck_You> wrote...

Nope. Rather he has clearly outlined the aims of the pro-abortion
Fascists committing genocide on an unprecedented scale and what needs
to be done to combat this great evil set loose on the land thirty years
ago.

You calling women who have abortions "fascists"? Why don't you slither down
to the clinic and wish them "Merry Christmas" yourself?
Oh, and ***** and stay fucked off.
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Life after Roe v Wade? 21 Dec 2004 08:26:31 PM
"Spartakus" <no.spam@this.address> wrote in message
news:1103659082.f42fd92421d785b4ac076388a1dba884@teranews...

<Fuck_You> wrote...

Nope. Rather he has clearly outlined the aims of the pro-abortion
Fascists committing genocide on an unprecedented scale and what needs
to be done to combat this great evil set loose on the land thirty years
ago.


You calling women who have abortions "fascists"?

Any idiot who wants to pretend that abortion is a "genocide" is capable of
anything stupid.
Susan
Why don't you slither down

to the clinic and wish them "Merry Christmas" yourself?

Oh, and ***** and stay fucked off.


.

User: ""

Title: Re: Life after Roe v Wade? 21 Dec 2004 05:38:39 PM
x-no-archive: yes
Spartakus wrote:

<Fuck_You> wrote...

Nope. Rather he has clearly outlined the aims of the pro-abortion
Fascists committing genocide on an unprecedented scale and what

needs

to be done to combat this great evil set loose on the land thirty

years

ago.


You calling women who have abortions "fascists"? Why don't you

slither down

to the clinic and wish them "Merry Christmas" yourself?

Oh, and ***** and stay fucked off.

Tell ya what, *****. I'll "slither" down to one of these abortion
clinics when you and your fucking crowd slithers over to Iraq to throw
a bash for Al Zarqawi and personally wish him a Merry Christmas.
Cleopatra
.


User: ""

Title: Re: Life after Roe v Wade? 21 Dec 2004 08:25:12 PM
<Merry_Christmas@linkedto.no-spam-allowed.com> wrote in message
news:1103658429.844210.278570@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...

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Susan Cohen wrote:

"Riain Y. Barton" <riain@riain.us> wrote in message
news:SqSdnf80_NbT91rcRVn-3Q@comcast.com...

What a stupid ***** you are


He has certainly outlined the aims of the anti-choice fascists, tho'.

Susan



Nope. Rather he has clearly outlined the aims of the pro-abortion
Fascists committing genocide on an unprecedented scale and what needs
to be done to combat this great evil set loose on the land thirty years
ago.

And another brainless jackass into the bozo bin.
Susan


Cleopatra

.



User: "Riain Y. Fartloon"

Title: Re: Life after Roe v Wade? 20 Dec 2004 07:05:13 PM
On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 19:16:41 -0500, "Riain Y. Barton" <riain@riain.us>
scribbled:

What a stupid ***** you are


Shut up, Farton.
.



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