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"Jon Young" |
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29 May 2004 08:05:44 PM |
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Memorial Day 2004 |
This weekend,as we honor all those who sacrificed their lives for this
country,let us also remember all those babies who were sentenced to a
pre-mature death by the ones entrusted to love and protect them;their
mothers.Abortion is an abhorrent crime and is a betrayal to all the
fine soldiers who sacrificed so that ALL Americans could live free.
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| User: "Loose Cannon" |
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| Title: Re: Memorial Day 2004 |
30 May 2004 01:44:45 PM |
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"Jon Young" <jdyoung1@volcanomail.com> wrote in message
news:25e1e54f.0405291705.7f073bbe@posting.google.com...
IBenTrollingAsJonYoung's garbage taken out<
Abortion is an abhorrent crime and is a betrayal to all the fine soldiers
who sacrificed so that ALL Americans could live free.
Nice try, trollboy. Not.
It's a shame you're having so much trouble keeping your
lies straight. Aren't you the same "Jon Young" that wrote:
From: (Jon Young):
"US Military = Human Filth
Break through this "support our troops" mind-control rubbish. Treat
the public to the truth. To support murderers in their acts of
murder is unthinkable.
People join the US military for either wholly selfish or downright
diabolical reasons. I've never yet met a patriot among present-day
military people."
2fac2957.0402091718.76d64174@posting.google.com
LC~ Noting that "Jon's" still struggling with his schitzophrenia. No film at
11.
"The worst loneliness is not to be comfortable with yourself."~Mark Twain
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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| Title: Re: Memorial Day 2004 |
29 May 2004 09:18:40 PM |
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"Jon Young" <jdyoung1@volcanomail.com> wrote in message
news:25e1e54f.0405291705.7f073bbe@posting.google.com...
This weekend,as we honor all those who sacrificed their lives for this
country,let us also remember all those babies who were sentenced to a
pre-mature death
** Because your god didn't pay attention to where he was sending them....
you need to give a stern warning to your deity.
by the ones entrusted to love and protect them;their
mothers.
** Since when does a women automatically want and love and unplanned,
unwanted child just because she was forced to bear it? Just look at the
number of men who impregnate and run! Same difference but you hypocrites
never mention the men.
Abortion is an abhorrent crime
** Only to misogynistic men such as yourself who believe women should PAY,
PAY, PAY for having sex.
and is a betrayal to all the
fine soldiers who sacrificed so that ALL Americans could live free.
** Not even close...... there's no relationship. BTW, those soldiers died
so women can remain as free as men, and enjoy FREEDOM of choice, including
freedom from unwanted motherhood.
--
Flower Power...
pro-choice (pr-chois)
adj.
Favoring or supporting the legal right of women and girls to choose
whether or not to continue a pregnancy to term.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Pro-Choice
~~~<~~~<~~~{@ ~~~<~~~<~~~{@ ~~~<~~~<~~~{@ ~~~<~~~{@
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| User: "Shawn Hearn" |
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| Title: Re: Memorial Day 2004 |
30 May 2004 07:59:33 AM |
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In article <ouWdnc_CuOgc2STdRVn-iQ@heartoftn.net>,
"Flower Power" <WomenFirst@this.NG> wrote:
"Jon Young" <jdyoung1@volcanomail.com> wrote in message
news:25e1e54f.0405291705.7f073bbe@posting.google.com...
This weekend,as we honor all those who sacrificed their lives for this
country,let us also remember all those babies who were sentenced to a
pre-mature death
** Because your god didn't pay attention to where he was sending them....
you need to give a stern warning to your deity.
by the ones entrusted to love and protect them;their
mothers.
** Since when does a women automatically want and love and unplanned,
unwanted child just because she was forced to bear it? Just look at the
number of men who impregnate and run! Same difference but you hypocrites
never mention the men.
Abortion is an abhorrent crime
Wrong. Abortion is legal, thus not a crime and certainly not
abhorrent to those who need an abortion.
By the way, how many unwanted children do you help care for?
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| User: "Osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Memorial Day 2004 |
30 May 2004 08:13:05 AM |
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"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-229489.08593330052004@news-60.giganews.com...
In article <ouWdnc_CuOgc2STdRVn-iQ@heartoftn.net>,
"Flower Power" <WomenFirst@this.NG> wrote:
"Jon Young" <jdyoung1@volcanomail.com> wrote in message
news:25e1e54f.0405291705.7f073bbe@posting.google.com...
This weekend,as we honor all those who sacrificed their lives for this
country,let us also remember all those babies who were sentenced to a
pre-mature death
** Because your god didn't pay attention to where he was sending
them....
you need to give a stern warning to your deity.
by the ones entrusted to love and protect them;their
mothers.
** Since when does a women automatically want and love and unplanned,
unwanted child just because she was forced to bear it? Just look at the
number of men who impregnate and run! Same difference but you
hypocrites
never mention the men.
Abortion is an abhorrent crime
Wrong. Abortion is legal, thus not a crime and certainly not
abhorrent to those who need an abortion.
By the way, how many unwanted children do you help care for?
I think many of us feel abortion, morally is a crime.
As far as the unwanted children cry that you pro-choicers use a lot (knowing
you do nothing for unwanted children)
It has nothing to do with the issue.
If people don't want children they shouldn't have them. And they shouldn't
be in the position where they have to think about killing them.
It is called "responsible" behavior
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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30 May 2004 09:56:05 PM |
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"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:fqWdnWvcbZE0QCTdRVn-ig@comcast.com...
I think many of us feel abortion, morally is a crime.
# Fine. Feel that way - just don't expect everyone else to feel the same
way.
As far as the unwanted children cry that you pro-choicers use a lot
(knowing
you do nothing for unwanted children)
It has nothing to do with the issue.
# It has everything to do with the issue. It's morally wrong to IGNORE the
needs of the unwanted children already here while trying to coerce women to
add to the problem by bearing even more unwanted children.
If people don't want children they shouldn't have them.
# Exactly! That's why abortion is legal and must stay legal.
And they shouldn't
be in the position where they have to think about killing them.
# That's why the teens must be taught about BIRTH CONTROL along with
disease protection before they start to date.
It is called "responsible" behavior
# Yeah,... like abstinence *OR* taking the pill and/or using condoms. :-)
--
FP......
"There are no loose threads in the web of life"
Creation "Science" Debunked:
http://www.geocities.com/lflank
DebunkCreation Email list:
http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/DebunkCreation
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| User: "Pr0r3p" |
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| Title: Re: Memorial Day 2004 |
01 Jun 2004 02:28:17 PM |
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"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message news:<fqWdnWvcbZE0QCTdRVn-ig@comcast.com>...
"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-229489.08593330052004@news-60.giganews.com...
In article <ouWdnc_CuOgc2STdRVn-iQ@heartoftn.net>,
"Flower Power" <WomenFirst@this.NG> wrote:
"Jon Young" <jdyoung1@volcanomail.com> wrote in message
news:25e1e54f.0405291705.7f073bbe@posting.google.com...
This weekend,as we honor all those who sacrificed their lives for this
country,let us also remember all those babies who were sentenced to a
pre-mature death
** Because your god didn't pay attention to where he was sending
them....
you need to give a stern warning to your deity.
by the ones entrusted to love and protect them;their
mothers.
** Since when does a women automatically want and love and unplanned,
unwanted child just because she was forced to bear it? Just look at the
number of men who impregnate and run! Same difference but you
hypocrites
never mention the men.
Abortion is an abhorrent crime
Wrong. Abortion is legal, thus not a crime and certainly not
abhorrent to those who need an abortion.
By the way, how many unwanted children do you help care for?
I think many of us feel abortion, morally is a crime.
As far as the unwanted children cry that you pro-choicers use a lot (knowing
you do nothing for unwanted children)
This is just more evidence that the anti-choicers don't give a rat's
***** about the child once it is born. Asspry wants to remove the
option of abortion from women, therefore, causing more unwanted
children to be born. Yet, here we see him trying to pawn off the
responsibility of taking care of those children that he demands to be
born.
How typical...
It has nothing to do with the issue.
If people don't want children they shouldn't have them.
Abortion does exactly that...
And they shouldn't
be in the position where they have to think about killing them.
It is called "responsible" behavior
You of all people, know nothing of "reponsible behavior".
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| User: "Shawn Hearn" |
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30 May 2004 10:47:32 AM |
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In article <fqWdnWvcbZE0QCTdRVn-ig@comcast.com>,
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-229489.08593330052004@news-60.giganews.com...
In article <ouWdnc_CuOgc2STdRVn-iQ@heartoftn.net>,
"Flower Power" <WomenFirst@this.NG> wrote:
"Jon Young" <jdyoung1@volcanomail.com> wrote in message
news:25e1e54f.0405291705.7f073bbe@posting.google.com...
This weekend,as we honor all those who sacrificed their lives for this
country,let us also remember all those babies who were sentenced to a
pre-mature death
** Because your god didn't pay attention to where he was sending
them....
you need to give a stern warning to your deity.
by the ones entrusted to love and protect them;their
mothers.
** Since when does a women automatically want and love and unplanned,
unwanted child just because she was forced to bear it? Just look at the
number of men who impregnate and run! Same difference but you
hypocrites
never mention the men.
Abortion is an abhorrent crime
Wrong. Abortion is legal, thus not a crime and certainly not
abhorrent to those who need an abortion.
By the way, how many unwanted children do you help care for?
I think many of us feel abortion, morally is a crime.
As far as the unwanted children cry that you pro-choicers use a lot (knowing
you do nothing for unwanted children)
Knowing? You know nothing of the sort. You do not know me and you do not
know most others who support abortion rights. For you to say that pro-
choicers do nothing for unwanted children is yet another in your long
string of lies and misinformation.
It has nothing to do with the issue.
What happens to unwanted and parentless children is certainly an
important part of the abortion rights issue. With your obvious lack inf
knowledge on the subject, when a woman gives birth to a child she does
not want, the child doesn ot magically disappear and go to heaven.
Further, there are many children who live without parents, even though
they were born to parents who wanted them. What do you pro-liars do to
help those starving parentless children?
You ignore that issue because you do not care about the welfare of
children; only the act of controlling people to live by your warped
set of morality.
If people don't want children they shouldn't have them. And they shouldn't
be in the position where they have to think about killing them.
It is called "responsible" behavior
If people don't want children, they do not have to have them. Abortion
works, and despite your lies, abortion does not involve killing a child.
Everyone is happy. So where is the problem? What about all those
children who have lost their parents due to crime, starvation, or
military strive? You really and truly do not give a damned about kids
who suffer in poverty, do you? That is perfectly clear.
Note that you have not answered my question. What do you do to help the
unwanted children in this world? What do you do to help all those
children who were wanted by their parents, but are now orphanned?
You are centainly entitled to your opinion that abortion is morally
wrong, but you are not entitled to force your opinion upon those who
disagree with you. Its called "freedom." Deal with it.
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| User: "Osprey" |
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30 May 2004 04:00:57 PM |
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"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-EE07B5.11473230052004@news-60.giganews.com...
In article <fqWdnWvcbZE0QCTdRVn-ig@comcast.com>,
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-229489.08593330052004@news-60.giganews.com...
In article <ouWdnc_CuOgc2STdRVn-iQ@heartoftn.net>,
"Flower Power" <WomenFirst@this.NG> wrote:
"Jon Young" <jdyoung1@volcanomail.com> wrote in message
news:25e1e54f.0405291705.7f073bbe@posting.google.com...
This weekend,as we honor all those who sacrificed their lives for
this
country,let us also remember all those babies who were sentenced
to a
pre-mature death
** Because your god didn't pay attention to where he was sending
them....
you need to give a stern warning to your deity.
by the ones entrusted to love and protect them;their
mothers.
** Since when does a women automatically want and love and
unplanned,
unwanted child just because she was forced to bear it? Just look at
the
number of men who impregnate and run! Same difference but you
hypocrites
never mention the men.
Abortion is an abhorrent crime
Wrong. Abortion is legal, thus not a crime and certainly not
abhorrent to those who need an abortion.
By the way, how many unwanted children do you help care for?
I think many of us feel abortion, morally is a crime.
As far as the unwanted children cry that you pro-choicers use a lot
(knowing
you do nothing for unwanted children)
Knowing?
Yea, like many of you claim to know so much about us.
You know nothing of the sort.
But you do?
You do not know me and you do not
know most others who support abortion rights.
But you know all about us though right?
For you to say that pro-
choicers do nothing for unwanted children is yet another in your long
string of lies and misinformation.
It has nothing to do with the issue.
What happens to unwanted and parentless children is certainly an
important part of the abortion rights issue.
sorry but any parent who wouldn't love their child naturally and bond with
their child naturally...maybe they shouldn't be a parent at all.
With your obvious lack inf
knowledge on the subject, when a woman gives birth to a child she does
not want, the child doesn ot magically disappear and go to heaven.
Further, there are many children who live without parents, even though
they were born to parents who wanted them. What do you pro-liars do to
help those starving parentless children?
You ignore that issue because you do not care about the welfare of
children; only the act of controlling people to live by your warped
set of morality.
Let me see if I can use your own words against you.
"You know nothing of the sort."
"You do not know me and you do not
know most others who don't favor abortion."
Now how is it that you can pretend to know me, but I can't pretend to know
you?
I think you need to lay down your argument right now because you are in the
wrong.
If people don't want children they shouldn't have them. And they
shouldn't
be in the position where they have to think about killing them.
It is called "responsible" behavior
If people don't want children, they do not have to have them. Abortion
works, and despite your lies, abortion does not involve killing a child.
So why kill a human being just for convienance? After all, this is what
most abortion cases are based on.
Everyone is happy. So where is the problem?
A human being is killed needlessly
What about all those
children who have lost their parents due to crime, starvation, or
military strive? You really and truly do not give a damned about kids
who suffer in poverty, do you? That is perfectly clear.
Can I use your words against you again?
"You know nothing of the sort."
"You do not know me and you do not
know most others who don't favor abortion."
Note that you have not answered my question.
Some of your rediculous questions, yes I ignore them.
What do you do to help the
unwanted children in this world?
Can I use your words against you again?
"You know nothing of the sort."
"You do not know me and you do not
know most others who don't favor abortion."
What do you do to help all those
children who were wanted by their parents, but are now orphanned?
You are centainly entitled to your opinion that abortion is morally
wrong, but you are not entitled to force your opinion upon those who
disagree with you. Its called "freedom." Deal with it.
I hope you like having your own words used against you. Now, what will your
excuse be, because I'll be damned if I met a pro-choicer yet honest enough
to admit it when their own words were used against them.
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| User: "Somesappywriter" |
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30 May 2004 08:21:51 AM |
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On Sun, 30 May 2004 09:13:05 -0400, "Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-229489.08593330052004@news-60.giganews.com...
In article <ouWdnc_CuOgc2STdRVn-iQ@heartoftn.net>,
"Flower Power" <WomenFirst@this.NG> wrote:
"Jon Young" <jdyoung1@volcanomail.com> wrote in message
news:25e1e54f.0405291705.7f073bbe@posting.google.com...
This weekend,as we honor all those who sacrificed their lives for this
country,let us also remember all those babies who were sentenced to a
pre-mature death
** Because your god didn't pay attention to where he was sending
them....
you need to give a stern warning to your deity.
by the ones entrusted to love and protect them;their
mothers.
** Since when does a women automatically want and love and unplanned,
unwanted child just because she was forced to bear it? Just look at the
number of men who impregnate and run! Same difference but you
hypocrites
never mention the men.
Abortion is an abhorrent crime
Wrong. Abortion is legal, thus not a crime and certainly not
abhorrent to those who need an abortion.
By the way, how many unwanted children do you help care for?
I think many of us feel abortion, morally is a crime.
As far as the unwanted children cry that you pro-choicers use a lot (knowing
you do nothing for unwanted children)
It has nothing to do with the issue.
If people don't want children they shouldn't have them.
I agree. This is why first term abortion on demand should remain
legal.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Memorial Day 2004 |
30 May 2004 09:50:03 AM |
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In article <ounjb0982n0uh355b9jvm4jmpimc5e1ruq@4ax.com>,
Somesappywriter <sappywriter@poetic.com> wrote:
On Sun, 30 May 2004 09:13:05 -0400, "Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-229489.08593330052004@news-60.giganews.com...
In article <ouWdnc_CuOgc2STdRVn-iQ@heartoftn.net>,
"Flower Power" <WomenFirst@this.NG> wrote:
"Jon Young" <jdyoung1@volcanomail.com> wrote in message
news:25e1e54f.0405291705.7f073bbe@posting.google.com...
This weekend,as we honor all those who sacrificed their lives for this
country,let us also remember all those babies who were sentenced to a
pre-mature death
** Because your god didn't pay attention to where he was sending
them....
you need to give a stern warning to your deity.
by the ones entrusted to love and protect them;their
mothers.
** Since when does a women automatically want and love and unplanned,
unwanted child just because she was forced to bear it? Just look at the
number of men who impregnate and run! Same difference but you
hypocrites
never mention the men.
Abortion is an abhorrent crime
Wrong. Abortion is legal, thus not a crime and certainly not
abhorrent to those who need an abortion.
By the way, how many unwanted children do you help care for?
I think many of us feel abortion, morally is a crime.
As far as the unwanted children cry that you pro-choicers use a lot (knowing
you do nothing for unwanted children)
It has nothing to do with the issue.
If people don't want children they shouldn't have them.
I agree. This is why first term abortion on demand should remain
legal.
Along with second and third terms.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Memorial Day 2004 |
31 May 2004 10:19:19 PM |
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Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
I think many of us feel abortion, morally is a crime.
Snicker. Heishman pretending to know something about morals.
Lying is fine. Killing is okay. Any crime can be justified by
whining that somebody else does it too. And Heishman knows something
about morals.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "J Young" |
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31 May 2004 11:07:24 PM |
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From: (Ray Fischer)
Date: 5/31/2004 11:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <c9gsjm$25v$1@bolt.sonic.net>
Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
I think many of us feel abortion, morally is a crime.
Snicker. Heishman pretending to know something about morals.
Lying is fine. Killing is okay. Any crime can be justified by
whining that somebody else does it too. And Heishman knows something
about morals.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
"osprey" offers intelligent opinions on matters of relevance.You offer
nothing.You should feel honored that the man even communicates with you.
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formerly
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| User: "Somesappywriter" |
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01 Jun 2004 04:48:01 AM |
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On 01 Jun 2004 04:07:24 GMT, youngopinions@aol.comnojunk (J Young)
wrote:
From: (Ray Fischer)
Date: 5/31/2004 11:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <c9gsjm$25v$1@bolt.sonic.net>
Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
I think many of us feel abortion, morally is a crime.
Snicker. Heishman pretending to know something about morals.
Lying is fine. Killing is okay. Any crime can be justified by
whining that somebody else does it too. And Heishman knows something
about morals.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
"osprey" offers intelligent opinions...
"Osprey" only offers intelligent opinions when he sucks your
proverbial wanker -- well, sucks up to you!"
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| User: "Attila" |
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01 Jun 2004 05:31:37 AM |
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On 01 Jun 2004 04:07:24 GMT, youngopinions@aol.comnojunk (J Young) in
alt.abortion with message-id
<20040601000724.18493.00000288@mb-m07.aol.com> wrote:
From: (Ray Fischer)
Date: 5/31/2004 11:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <c9gsjm$25v$1@bolt.sonic.net>
Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
I think many of us feel abortion, morally is a crime.
Snicker. Heishman pretending to know something about morals.
Lying is fine. Killing is okay. Any crime can be justified by
whining that somebody else does it too. And Heishman knows something
about morals.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
"osprey" offers intelligent opinions on matters of relevance.You offer
nothing.You should feel honored that the man even communicates with you.
Fishbreath has the intelligence of a rock and I am honored he has
killfiled me.
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| User: "Bob" |
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01 Jun 2004 08:14:05 PM |
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youngopinions@aol.comnojunk (J Young) wrote in
news:20040601000724.18493.00000288@mb-m07.aol.com:
From: (Ray Fischer)
Date: 5/31/2004 11:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <c9gsjm$25v$1@bolt.sonic.net>
Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
I think many of us feel abortion, morally is a crime.
Snicker. Heishman pretending to know something about morals.
Lying is fine. Killing is okay. Any crime can be justified by
whining that somebody else does it too. And Heishman knows something
about morals.
--
Ray Fischer
"osprey" offers intelligent opinions on matters of relevance.You offer
nothing.You should feel honored that the man even communicates with you.
You are joking, of course. Either that or you are a bigger liar and idiot
than the chick_hen_hawk heishman, if that's possible.
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| User: "Somesappywriter" |
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30 May 2004 08:05:13 AM |
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On Sun, 30 May 2004 08:59:33 -0400, Shawn Hearn <srhi@comcast.net>
wrote:
In article <ouWdnc_CuOgc2STdRVn-iQ@heartoftn.net>,
"Flower Power" <WomenFirst@this.NG> wrote:
"Jon Young" <jdyoung1@volcanomail.com> wrote in message
[...]
Abortion is an abhorrent crime
Wrong. Abortion is legal, thus not a crime and certainly not
abhorrent to those who need an abortion.
By the way, how many unwanted children do you help care for?
Since when does Jon give a crap about anybody else?
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| User: "Patrick Lee Humphrey" |
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29 May 2004 08:18:08 PM |
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(Jon Young) writes:
This weekend,as we honor all those who sacrificed their lives for this
country,let us also remember all those babies who were sentenced to a
pre-mature death by the ones entrusted to love and protect them;their
mothers.Abortion is an abhorrent crime and is a betrayal to all the
fine soldiers who sacrificed so that ALL Americans could live free.
Indeed -- all Americans who had been born. I guess you avoid that Amendment
XIV, eh?
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2003-04 Houston Aeros)
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| User: "Somesappywriter" |
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| Title: Re: Memorial Day 2004 |
30 May 2004 05:31:42 AM |
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On 29 May 2004 20:18:08 -0500, Patrick Lee Humphrey <patrick@io.com>
wrote:
jdyoung1@volcanomail.com (Jon Young) writes:
This weekend,as we honor all those who sacrificed their lives for this
country,let us also remember all those babies who were sentenced to a
pre-mature death by the ones entrusted to love and protect them;their
mothers.Abortion is an abhorrent crime and is a betrayal to all the
fine soldiers who sacrificed so that ALL Americans could live free.
Indeed -- all Americans who had been born. I guess you avoid that Amendment
XIV, eh?
"Born people? What born people?"
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| User: "Bob" |
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| Title: Re: Memorial Day 2004 |
29 May 2004 11:49:40 PM |
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(Jon Young) wrote in
news:25e1e54f.0405291705.7f073bbe@posting.google.com:
This weekend,as we honor all those who sacrificed their lives for this
country,let us also remember all those babies who were sentenced to a
pre-mature death by the ones entrusted to love and protect them;their
mothers.Abortion is an abhorrent crime and is a betrayal to all the
fine soldiers who sacrificed so that ALL Americans could live free.
Including women faced with medically-threatened and/or unwanted pregnancies?
Do they get to "live free" and make their own decisions and choices about
what happens within their own bodies too?
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| User: "Shawn Hearn" |
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| Title: Re: Memorial Day 2004 |
30 May 2004 08:00:54 AM |
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In article <Xns94F8DE08E2F91SD@68.6.19.6>, Bob <sd@sd.net> wrote:
jdyoung1@volcanomail.com (Jon Young) wrote in
news:25e1e54f.0405291705.7f073bbe@posting.google.com:
This weekend,as we honor all those who sacrificed their lives for this
country,let us also remember all those babies who were sentenced to a
pre-mature death by the ones entrusted to love and protect them;their
mothers.Abortion is an abhorrent crime and is a betrayal to all the
fine soldiers who sacrificed so that ALL Americans could live free.
Including women faced with medically-threatened and/or unwanted pregnancies?
Do they get to "live free" and make their own decisions and choices about
what happens within their own bodies too?
The pro-liars couldn't give a ***** about the welfare of women or any
unwanted children. All they want to do is be controlling nannies for
reasons that sane people can never fathom.
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| User: "Shawn Hearn" |
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| Title: Re: Memorial Day 2004 |
30 May 2004 07:57:06 AM |
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In article <25e1e54f.0405291705.7f073bbe@posting.google.com>,
(Jon Young) wrote:
This weekend,as we honor all those who sacrificed their lives for this
country,let us also remember all those babies who were sentenced to a
pre-mature death by the ones entrusted to love and protect them;their
mothers.Abortion is an abhorrent crime and is a betrayal to all the
fine soldiers who sacrificed so that ALL Americans could live free.
Abortion does not involve taking the life of a baby, no matter
how you filthy pro-liars try to spin it.
Oh, and if we want to really honor our nation's war vets, why is there
no outcry about Bush and the congressional Republicans cutting their VA
benefits?
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| User: "The Ghost In The Machine" |
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| Title: Re: Memorial Day 2004 |
30 May 2004 06:20:55 PM |
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In talk.abortion, Jon Young
<jdyoung1@volcanomail.com>
wrote
on 29 May 2004 18:05:44 -0700
<25e1e54f.0405291705.7f073bbe@posting.google.com>:
This weekend,as we honor all those who sacrificed their lives for this
country,let us also remember all those babies who were sentenced to a
pre-mature death by the ones entrusted to love and protect them;their
mothers.Abortion is an abhorrent crime and is a betrayal to all the
fine soldiers who sacrificed so that ALL Americans could live free.
Nice try, but perhaps you've not thought the issue out far enough?
Assume, for the nonce, that we actually *want* to go through with
this policy and ban most abortions save those for medical necessity
(the only exceptions I would allow are for women who would
demonstrably die without the procedure, which would be identical
to the first-trimester procedure done today, if they're lucky;
see, however, #6 below).
Now let's spin some scenarios.
[1] Anne is at a local bar. Alcohol is known to cause
Foetal Alcohol Syndrome, and Anne is pretty enough
that any guy would be honored to seduce her into his
bed, especially if she has had one too many and grabs
his tie to seduce him into *her* bed. Should Anne be
prohibited from drinking? When? Bear in mind alcohol
remains in the body for some time after imbibing;
the effects are well-known to law enforcement.
[2] Betty is pregnant, according to a pregnancy test,
and walks into a bar, smoke shop, or convenience
store, perhaps intending to buy a drink or cigarettes.
Should she be required to do either of the following?
[a] sign an indemnification form forbidding her from suing
the bar, should the baby have any syndrome linked to the
consumption of items served thereby.
[b] prohibited by the force of law from consuming anything
that could possibly damage the baby (the bartender would
request proof of non-pregnancy prior to serving any drinks).
[3] Carol is walking down the street, near a notorious abortion clinic
which is operating legally (since abortions for medical necessity
*are* allowed) but is under watch from Doug, who happens to be
walking the beat or tooling around in a prowl car. Should Doug
do any of the following, upon seeing Carol?
[a] Arrest her for walking too near to an abortion clinic without
proper authorization.
[b] Call in backup.
[c] Keep Carol under surveillance, and, if she does walk into the
clinic, arrest her when she comes back out under suspicion
of first-degree murder.
[d] Walk into the clinic after Carol has walked out and demand her
medical records for filing at the local precinct, as well
as taking any necessary samples to verify Carol has not had
a first-trimester procedure.
[e] Require Carol to take a DNA identification test.
[4] Elaine and Frank are happily married, but have discovered that
she can only have the one child (which they are now raising), as
the second child would immediately be attacked by her immune
system, as she has negative Rh factor but Frank has Rh+, and
she has become sensitized. She becomes pregnant again and by
the time the doctors discover this, it is too late to save
the unborn child. Should she abort?
[5] Gina is a healthy young adult woman who wants to have
a baby and has found Mr. Right -- or so she thinks.
However, Mr. Right gets killed in an automobile
collision, and for various reasons government agencies
will not give her TANF. Gina's pregnancy is now 8
weeks along. What should she do? What should law
enforcement do?
[6] Harry is a furtive sort. Oftentimes one can see
him looking strangely at young girls at the mall --
not illegal in itself, but mall security is not happy.
Ingrid, a daughter of one of the locals and of age 14
or so, likes to hang out at the mall with her friends.
Harry sees Ingrid. Harry nabs Ingrid. Harry assaults
Ingrid. The authorities, fortunately, nab Harry.
Ingrid, shaken by her experience, goes to a doctor and
discovers she is now pregnant, and, more importantly,
she is now well-developed enough to continue the
pregnancy until birth -- and in fact would be legally
required to, were she an adult. What should she or
her parents (assuming they're notified) do?
[7] Jan is an unhappy sort. Her mother, Kelly, was divorced
from Dad (Lonnie) at an early age, and more often than
not Jan hears about Dad as "that stupid idiot ex".
However, Lonnie does have visitation rights, and Jan is
now of an age that she's a stunner. Unfortunately, Lonnie
is lonely, and Kelly slightly clueless ... until a
regular checkup discovers Jan is now pregnant, and furthermore
that the most likely father is her dad. What should
Jan, Kelly, or the authorities do? (Assume Jan is of an age
similar to Ingrid, above, and healthy enough to have
the child.)
[8] Marge is a successful businesswoman, which
unfortunately for her leaves few options in her love
life. It turns out, though, that Marge secretly is
contemplating an abortion without anyone knowing at her
employer's, at a supposedly legal clinic. Assume that
Nolan, a paper-shuffler handling official documents
from her doctor, happens to see this (as there's a
24-hour mandatory waiting period). Indicate what
should happen next, assuming there's sufficient time.
[a] Nolan should contact Marge and congratulate her on her
pregnancy, with a subtle hint that to do otherwise
might be unpleasant (blackmail).
[b] Nolan should call the black-and-whites, to arrest Marge.
[c] Nolan should call the black-and-whites, to arrest the
doctor at the clinic, as the paperwork has insufficient
justification for an abortion.
[d] Nolan should call the black-and-whites, to keep Marge
under surveillance and with instructions to prevent
her from re-entering the clinic.
[e] Nolan should contact Marge's employer, and advise him
that she may be contemplating an abortion.
[f] Nolan should file the paperwork, and do nothing.
[9] [a] Odelia is an immigrant from Jerusalem, who
unbeknownst to her is pregnant during traveling.
She has a proper visa to visit a cousin in the
United States, but also doesn't want the baby once
she finds out she's pregnant. The cousin now knows
she's pregnant and also knows the law. Indicate what
should happen next. (Assume her visa allows sufficient
time for a clinic visit.)
[b] Substitute Brazil, a pro-life government, for Israel in the above.
[c-d] Assume that Odelia does know she's pregnant, and
inadvertantly tells US authorities she's going
to have an abortion while visiting her cousin.
[e-f] Assume that Odelia does know she's pregnant, and
inadvertantly tells Israeli/Brazilian authorities
she's going to have an abortion while visiting
her cousin.
[10] Pauline is a doctor, specializing in ob/gyn practice.
She sees a fair number of women, many of whom
are pregnant. The authorities get a tip from an
unknown source ("Q") that she may be performing
illegal abortions, and this source has been credible
in the past. Indicate what should happen next.
(If you wish, see #8, substituting as necessary.)
Have fun out there.
--
#191,
It's still legal to go .sigless.
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| User: "Frank Dwyer" |
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| Title: Re: Memorial Day 2004 |
29 May 2004 09:44:27 PM |
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Jon Young wrote:
This weekend,as we honor all those who sacrificed their lives for this
country,let us also remember all those babies who were sentenced to a
pre-mature death by the ones entrusted to love and protect them;their
mothers.Abortion is an abhorrent crime and is a betrayal to all the
fine soldiers who sacrificed so that ALL Americans could live free.
That's pretty disrespectful of you.
By the way, there has never been one single American fetus, ever.
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| User: "GOOD RIDDANCE on Nov. 2nd to Dishonest Warmonger-in-Thief G.W. Bush!" |
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| Title: Re: Memorial Day 2004 |
29 May 2004 08:30:54 PM |
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On 29 May 2004 18:05:44 -0700,
Jon Young <jdyoung1@volcanomail.com> wrote:
This weekend, as we honor all those who sacrificed their
lives for this country, ...
<SWILL flushed>
The ONLY truthful thing that Jon wrote in his post is the part
shown above. The remainder was mindless hate-swill, and thus
was dealt with appropriately.
Bigots are losers. And Jon is one of the biggest ones around.
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| User: "Somesappywriter" |
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| Title: Re: Memorial Day 2004 |
29 May 2004 08:06:34 PM |
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On 29 May 2004 18:05:44 -0700, (Jon Young)
wrote:
This weekend,as we honor all those who sacrificed their lives for this
country,let us also remember all those babies who were sentenced to a
pre-mature death...
Go and get fucked, Jon.
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| User: "Patrick Lee Humphrey" |
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| Title: Re: Memorial Day 2004 |
29 May 2004 08:19:42 PM |
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Somesappywriter <sappywriter@poetic.com> writes:
On 29 May 2004 18:05:44 -0700, (Jon Young)
wrote:
This weekend,as we honor all those who sacrificed their lives for this
country,let us also remember all those babies who were sentenced to a
pre-mature death...
Go and get fucked, Jon.
What woman (or unwary farm animal) deserves *that* abuse?
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2003-04 Houston Aeros)
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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| Title: Re: Memorial Day 2004 |
29 May 2004 09:22:16 PM |
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"Patrick Lee Humphrey" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
news:szku0xy7lu9.fsf@fnord.io.com...
Somesappywriter <sappywriter@poetic.com> writes:
On 29 May 2004 18:05:44 -0700, (Jon Young)
wrote:
This weekend,as we honor all those who sacrificed their lives for this
country,let us also remember all those babies who were sentenced to a
pre-mature death...
Go and get fucked, Jon.
What woman (or unwary farm animal) deserves *that* abuse?
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Those religious wingnuts who believe women don't deserve to choose what's
best for themselves. Those like Jon who believe women should be back in
the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant. Those who want to control women as in
days of old....
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God said:
"Therefore fathers shall eat their sons in the midst of you and
sons shall eat their fathers...I will send famine and wild beasts
against you and they shall rob you of your children; pestilence and
blood shall pass through you; and I will bring a sword upon you. I,
the Lord, have spoken." Ezekiel 5:10, 5:17
Did he make them turn to cannibalism? Did he find the aroma as
pleasing as when one burns an innocent lamb?
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| User: "Somesappywriter" |
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| Title: Re: Memorial Day 2004 |
30 May 2004 05:31:15 AM |
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On Sat, 29 May 2004 21:22:16 -0500, "Flower Power"
<WomenFirst@this.NG> wrote:
"Patrick Lee Humphrey" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
news:szku0xy7lu9.fsf@fnord.io.com...
Somesappywriter <sappywriter@poetic.com> writes:
On 29 May 2004 18:05:44 -0700, (Jon Young)
wrote:
This weekend,as we honor all those who sacrificed their lives for this
country,let us also remember all those babies who were sentenced to a
pre-mature death...
Go and get fucked, Jon.
What woman (or unwary farm animal) deserves *that* abuse?
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Those religious wingnuts who believe women don't deserve to choose what's
best for themselves. Those like Jon who believe women should be back in
the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant. Those who want to control women as in
days of old....
Well, Jon can eat ***** and croak -- because there "ain't no way" I am
letting some little slob ruin my life with his uncontrollable
misogyny.
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| User: "Somesappywriter" |
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| Title: Re: Memorial Day 2004 |
30 May 2004 05:30:26 AM |
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On 29 May 2004 20:19:42 -0500, Patrick Lee Humphrey <patrick@io.com>
wrote:
Somesappywriter <sappywriter@poetic.com> writes:
On 29 May 2004 18:05:44 -0700, (Jon Young)
wrote:
This weekend,as we honor all those who sacrificed their lives for this
country,let us also remember all those babies who were sentenced to a
pre-mature death...
Go and get fucked, Jon.
What woman (or unwary farm animal) deserves *that* abuse?
Not even those indiviuals of the inflatable variation deserve his
wrecklessness.
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| User: "Patrick Lee Humphrey" |
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| Title: Re: Memorial Day 2004 |
30 May 2004 08:01:28 AM |
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Somesappywriter <sappywriter@poetic.com> writes:
On 29 May 2004 20:19:42 -0500, Patrick Lee Humphrey <patrick@io.com>
wrote:
Somesappywriter <sappywriter@poetic.com> writes:
On 29 May 2004 18:05:44 -0700, (Jon Young)
wrote:
This weekend,as we honor all those who sacrificed their lives for this
country,let us also remember all those babies who were sentenced to a
pre-mature death...
Go and get fucked, Jon.
What woman (or unwary farm animal) deserves *that* abuse?
Not even those indiviuals of the inflatable variation deserve his
wrecklessness.
Actually, they don't deserve his recklessness. Sticking that "w" on the front
means he doesn't wreck -- which definitely isn't the case in his tour de farce
through Usenet. :-)
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2003-04 Houston Aeros)
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