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Mark,
Your idea seems to be that because your faction was able to
complete all of these homicides

A total of zero. On the other hand. Anti-choice people like you have
been positively linked to a number of homicides, attempted homicides,
arson, and vandalism

without anyone saying anything to you
or anyone being held responsible in any way, the people who were
killed never existed.

Nobody has been killed. There have been no homicides.

Josef Stalin had a similar idea about the 12
million Russians he had executed.

Real people. Born and citizens of that country.

Then we have the example of Adolf
Hitler, who did not regard Jews as people.

Real people. Born and citizens of that country.

I think you are in a similar situation,

Nope. But then you are know to be delusional. I do not promote the
killing of anyone, nor their enslavement. Too bad you cannot say the
same thing.

but what we should do is wait until Jesus Christ
returns and see what he says about it.
Robert B. winn

Nothing since that will never happen. Jesus has been dead for almost
2000 years. There is no reason to assume that he will return.

Mark Sebree

Well, I think there is, Mark. He said he was going to return.
Robert B. winn

So what? So did Houdini, and I do not think that he is coming back
either.

Just because Jesus is said to have said something does not mean that
it is true. And your insistance on dodging your responsibility by
stating that you want to wait until Jesus returns is simply stating
that you cannot intelligently counter the facts that were presented to
you, and an admission by you that you have lost that debate. Which
means that you have not won any debates that I know of, since you are
seriously lacking in facts to support your heinous position.

Until you realize that the facts are against you, and that nobody that
is not of your religion is required to accept anything that your
religion states as valid without independent, verifiable evidence, and
your personal redefinitions of words apply to nobody except you, and
that you need to support your accusations and allegations with
objective, credible, verifiable evidence, and you need to support your
assertions in an intelligent manner when those assertions are
questioned, you will never win a debate.

Mark Sebree

Well, I never debate, Mark.

I know. You just lie, make false accusation, make unsupported
allegations, toss out diversion, and run away. You also cannot handle
when your points are completely destroyed by the facts. That is why
you continuously lose the debate.

Blessed is he who waiteth for the Lord.
Robert B. Winn

OK. I am right here. I am a Lord in the Society of Creative
Anachonism. (And yes, I can prove it. see the links below.) You do
not have to wait any longer. Now, support your assertions.

First, go to http://www.sca.org/docs/welcome.html , Download the
"Governing Documents of the SCA, Inc." This is a PDF file. Section
VIII, Paragraph D. "Titles", page 47, about the middle of the page.
There is the line: "Lord/Lady Basic titles for persons who hold
Arms by Award or Grant."

Now, for me personally. First, establishing my name in the SCA:

Now, go to http://www.midrealm.org/marshal/martials/authlist.phtml .
This is a list of all the authorized rapier fighters in the Middle
Kingdom. Scroll down until you see the same "Antonio Tagliaferro" in
the first column. Click on the link. This will open up a page that
has both my real (mundane) name and my SCA name on it, and no other
information that does not pertain to me.

And by the way, only one person can claim any name, so there is nobody
else in the SCA with that name.

And a reference to my Award of Arms:

http://www.shadowedstars.org/ As can be seen from the information
on the front page, this is the Fort Wayne, IN branch of the SCA. On
the left hand frame, select the link "Order of Precedence". This will
open a list of people in the Shire in order of their rank as figured
by their awards. Near the bottom, you will see this line "Antonio
Tagliaferro Award of Arms 27 Jan 2001"

And therefore, I am a Lord. So you do not have to wait any longer.

Mark Sebree

Well, that is all very impressive, Mark, but I am waiting for Jesus
Christ, just the same.
Robert b. Winn

You said that you were waiting for a lord, so I showed you that you
did not have to wait.

However, by running away again, you are conceding that I won the
debate. You cannot present anything intelligent or pertainent to
support your position.

Mark Sebree

Yes, I can. Your previous post proves that you are not truthful.
Robert B. winn

HOW??? There is nothting there that is intelligent or pertainent. It
is just an example of you running away. And thus you have lost the
debate because you have run away.

And I have shown myself to be very truthful, and you to be a hateful
liar.

Mark Sebree

You were the one who said you were a Lord.

And I proved it, and provided the sources that supported my statement.

We do not have positions
of royalty and nobility here in the United States.
Robert B. winn

Wrong. The government cannot create or maintain a nobility that is a
part of the government or any government agency. There is nothing
that states that non-governmental group cannot do so.

I belong to a medieval re-enactment organization, which you would have
realized if you had actually read what I posted. And within that
organization, I am a lord. Therefore, my statement was truthful and
accurate.

There are other groups that have similar trappings. Revolutionary and
Civil War re-enactors use military ranks for their people, even if
those people are not in the military or hold different ranks in the
military is one example of this.

Mark Sebree

What about political parties and their members?
Robert B. Winn

What about them? They are not nobility. They may be factions of the
population, but that does not make them nobility.

By the way, here is the exact section of the Constitution that deals
with this question.

Article I, Section 9
No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no
Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall,
without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument,
Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or
foreign State.

I never stated that the government granted me any title of nobility.
However, there is nothing that prevents another, private organization
from granting such titles. Therefore, I told you that you did not
have to wait any longer for a lord before you presented ant evidence
because a lord (me) was here and waiting, and I proved it as well.

Mark Sebree