Jesus H Christ wrote:

Very well said!

:-)

On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 06:37:22 GMT, "R. Pierce Butler"
<spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in
news:JfWdnap38eboT0PenZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@giganews.com:

Now who really believes that as soon as there is a test developed that
can identify a "gay" gene, that homos won't be next on the list for
extinction? The proof is there; parents are seeking perfection. If and
when that happens, you can thank society's liberals.
http://bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=22533

You expect me to believe that a news article published by the Baptist Press
is:

a) Honest
b) Factual
and
c) Truthful

Please don't insult me any further.

pierce

Didn't you know that "anything you say is OK if it helps spread the
word of Jesus."

Honesty, factuality and truthfulness simply don't
enter into it.

"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:43def2d1$0$58109$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...

J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:

Now who really believes that as soon as there is a test developed that

can

identify a "gay" gene, that homos won't be next on the list for

extinction?

Killed by you homophobic extremists.

http://bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=22533

Mohler: 80-90% of Down syndrome babies killed in push for 'human

perfection'

LOUISVILLE, Ky. (BP)--Recent statistics show that as many as 80-90

percent

of all babies found to have Down syndrome through pre-term testing are
aborted, an alarming reality demonstrating contemporary culture's

fixation

with human perfection and consumer choice, R. Albert Mohler Jr. said
Jan.

22

on the "Coral Ridge Hour" television program.

What evil insanity. Down's syndrome isn't a matter of "perfection".
It can cost parents and society a fortune in medical care and training
to support someone with Down's.

It also costs an immeasurable amount of heartbreak to the parents. Whilst
my elder son didn't have Down's Syndrome, he was severely autistic, and
caring for him was sheer hell. Imagine having to spend an hour and a half
_every_ day for six years, scrubbing faeces off walls, windows, radiators,
mattresses, bedding, carpets etc, and see if you think life is worth
living.
Even worse is the knowledge that your son is frustrated and unhappy and
you
can't do a thing about it. Add to that the knowledge that you will never
be
able to hold a conversation with your son and that he will always need
care
24/7. The death of such a child doesn't solve your problem, because you
lose someone whom you love unconditionally. Their entire lives are a
source
of regret, because you daren't have any more children in case others are
the
same (although I did have one quite by accident when he was 11). I don't
think Down's Syndrome children are as difficult as this, but if parents
aren't willing to live with some of these problems, then abortion is by
far
the best way out. If you'd like to read about what it's like to have a
mentally-handicapped child, see my web site, address below.

"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:43def2d1$0$58109$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...

J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:

Now who really believes that as soon as there is a test developed that

can

identify a "gay" gene, that homos won't be next on the list for

extinction?

Killed by you homophobic extremists.

http://bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=22533

Mohler: 80-90% of Down syndrome babies killed in push for 'human

perfection'

LOUISVILLE, Ky. (BP)--Recent statistics show that as many as 80-90

percent

of all babies found to have Down syndrome through pre-term testing are
aborted, an alarming reality demonstrating contemporary culture's

fixation

with human perfection and consumer choice, R. Albert Mohler Jr. said Jan.

22

on the "Coral Ridge Hour" television program.

What evil insanity. Down's syndrome isn't a matter of "perfection".
It can cost parents and society a fortune in medical care and training
to support someone with Down's.

It also costs an immeasurable amount of heartbreak to the parents. Whilst
my elder son didn't have Down's Syndrome, he was severely autistic, and
caring for him was sheer hell. Imagine having to spend an hour and a half
_every_ day for six years, scrubbing faeces off walls, windows, radiators,
mattresses, bedding, carpets etc, and see if you think life is worth living.
Even worse is the knowledge that your son is frustrated and unhappy and you
can't do a thing about it. Add to that the knowledge that you will never be
able to hold a conversation with your son and that he will always need care
24/7. The death of such a child doesn't solve your problem, because you
lose someone whom you love unconditionally. Their entire lives are a source
of regret, because you daren't have any more children in case others are the
same (although I did have one quite by accident when he was 11). I don't
think Down's Syndrome children are as difficult as this, but if parents
aren't willing to live with some of these problems, then abortion is by far
the best way out. If you'd like to read about what it's like to have a
mentally-handicapped child, see my web site, address below.

Given that YOU won't be providing the support this is obviously
another case of pro-life from conception to birth and then screw
'em after that.

--
June G
# 364
http://uk.geocities.com/junegill@btopenworld.com/webpages/index.html.html

rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:43def2d1$0$58109$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:

What evil insanity. Down's syndrome isn't a matter of "perfection".
It can cost parents and society a fortune in medical care and training
to support someone with Down's.

Given that YOU won't be providing the support this is obviously
another case of pro-life from conception to birth and then screw 'em
after that.

I'm sure a pretty big factor in such decisions is parents' knowledge
that they won't be around forever to take care of a Down's kid, even if
they can handle all the finances.

Seriously, I do think that abortion is at best a stop-gap solution in
this case and the real solution is for society as whole, via the
gubmint, to provide that support so that parents don't have to take
such factors into account in making their decisions. Yes, that is
socialistic in one sense, but I hardly see that as a problem. The
birth and raising of special-needs kids is one of those situations
where a Randian pure-
capitalist approach that expects their parents to bear the entire cost
of raising them simply doesn't work. The latter makes about as much
sense as expecting the owners of the World Trade Center to bear the
entire cost of the 9/11 cleanup and rescue efforts.

rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:43def2d1$0$58109$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:

What evil insanity. Down's syndrome isn't a matter of "perfection".
It can cost parents and society a fortune in medical care and training
to support someone with Down's.

Given that YOU won't be providing the support this is obviously
another case of pro-life from conception to birth and then screw
'em after that.

I'm sure a pretty big factor in such decisions is parents' knowledge that
they won't be around forever to take care of a Down's kid, even if they
can handle all the finances.

Seriously, I do think that abortion is at best a stop-gap solution in
this case and the real solution is for society as whole, via the gubmint,
to provide that support so that parents don't have to take such factors
into account in making their decisions. Yes, that is socialistic in one
sense, but I hardly see that as a problem. The birth and raising of
special-needs kids is one of those situations where a Randian pure-
capitalist approach that expects their parents to bear the entire cost of
raising them simply doesn't work. The latter makes about as much sense
as expecting the owners of the World Trade Center to bear the entire cost
of the 9/11 cleanup and rescue efforts.

Ray Fischer wrote:

J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:

Now who really believes that as soon as there is a test developed that can
identify a "gay" gene, that homos won't be next on the list for extinction?

Killed by you homophobic extremists.

http://bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=22533

Mohler: 80-90% of Down syndrome babies killed in push for 'human perfection'


LOUISVILLE, Ky. (BP)--Recent statistics show that as many as 80-90 percent
of all babies found to have Down syndrome through pre-term testing are
aborted, an alarming reality demonstrating contemporary culture's fixation
with human perfection and consumer choice, R. Albert Mohler Jr. said Jan. 22
on the "Coral Ridge Hour" television program.

What evil insanity. Down's syndrome isn't a matter of "perfection".
It can cost parents and society a fortune in medical care and training
to support someone with Down's.

My stepdaughter has Down Syndrome, and I can back you up on this. I
would also add that DS also costs parents their sanity. At least once a
week I hear my wife screaming at her daughter for having gotten ***** on
the bathroom floor, and almost every night she has to make sure that her
***** is clean because she never wipes it properly after she's finished.
Are we talking about a baby here? No. My stepdaughter is eleven. No
friends outside family. No hanging out with anyone outside family.
Refuses to eat healthy food. Can't dress herself without assistance
(shirt and pants on backwards half the time, and shoes on the wrong feet
about 80% of the time). My mother bought her a cassette tape player
from a flea market as a Christmas gift, and for hours every day all we
hear is this eleven-year-old girl making the most obnoxious noises into
the microphone and then playing it back and laughing herself silly
because she thinks it's funny. We eventually took it away from her, but
all she did was continue making the same noises and laughing at
herself. We can't get her to stop. When she spends several nights at
my mom's or my mother-in-law's, I am in heaven because I don't have to
worry about listening to those repulsive noises or watching my wife do
things for her that my six-year-old daughter is able to do without any
help at all.

Ray Fischer wrote:

J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:

Now who really believes that as soon as there is a test developed that can
identify a "gay" gene, that homos won't be next on the list for extinction?

Killed by you homophobic extremists.

http://bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=22533

Mohler: 80-90% of Down syndrome babies killed in push for 'human perfection'


LOUISVILLE, Ky. (BP)--Recent statistics show that as many as 80-90 percent
of all babies found to have Down syndrome through pre-term testing are
aborted, an alarming reality demonstrating contemporary culture's fixation
with human perfection and consumer choice, R. Albert Mohler Jr. said Jan. 22
on the "Coral Ridge Hour" television program.

What evil insanity. Down's syndrome isn't a matter of "perfection".
It can cost parents and society a fortune in medical care and training
to support someone with Down's.

My stepdaughter has Down Syndrome, and I can back you up on this. I
would also add that DS also costs parents their sanity. At least once a
week I hear my wife screaming at her daughter for having gotten ***** on
the bathroom floor, and almost every night she has to make sure that her
***** is clean because she never wipes it properly after she's finished.
Are we talking about a baby here? No. My stepdaughter is eleven. No
friends outside family. No hanging out with anyone outside family.
Refuses to eat healthy food. Can't dress herself without assistance
(shirt and pants on backwards half the time, and shoes on the wrong feet
about 80% of the time). My mother bought her a cassette tape player
from a flea market as a Christmas gift, and for hours every day all we
hear is this eleven-year-old girl making the most obnoxious noises into
the microphone and then playing it back and laughing herself silly
because she thinks it's funny. We eventually took it away from her, but
all she did was continue making the same noises and laughing at
herself. We can't get her to stop. When she spends several nights at
my mom's or my mother-in-law's, I am in heaven because I don't have to
worry about listening to those repulsive noises or watching my wife do
things for her that my six-year-old daughter is able to do without any
help at all.