Science > Abortion > Mom charged with murder after allegedly throwing kids into SF Bay
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20 Oct 2005 11:27:02 PM |
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Mom charged with murder after allegedly throwing kids into SF Bay |
This woman should claim that she was only exercising her "right to choose"
and have the ACLU represent her in court.
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/breaking_news/12955752.htm
Mom charged with murder after allegedly throwing kids into SF Bay
SAN FRANCISCO - A mentally ill woman seen dropping her three sons into San
Francisco Bay from a downtown pier was charged with three counts of murder
Thursday while anguished relatives kept vigil and rescuers combed the chilly
water for the bodies of two of the victims.
Lashuan T. Harris, 23, of Oakland, was held in a hospital jail ward after
police saw her pushing an empty baby stroller away from the pier where a
witness reported spotting a woman drop the children off the end Wednesday
night.
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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27 Oct 2005 03:52:30 PM |
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On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:31:13 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<66e2m1p0dlq352u1fq35fkfh9ud06t5i46@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:02:49 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<aeu1m1d3o0urrb1ef9nlcoa792ghnem0bo@4ax.com> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:07:47 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<din1m1lr777jp64n40dbb39itv6jslnj7k@4ax.com>:
....
If someone is found guilty of a crime and sentenced to death
absolutely nothing they do afterward should be a factor or
consideration in executing that sentence or deciding it should not be
executed. Nothing.
I've never said that it should be. I have argued that the problem is in
the arrest and trial phase and that we need to provide many more
resources to the indigent accuses to assure that they have a fair trial.
The appellate process is slow because the trial process is broken.
Answered elsewhere, but I see no requirement for the state to fund a
defense beyond the minimum.
You don't want good counsel and you don't want decent appeals. Tough.
The courts have already decided that the lack of adequate counsel
matters.
Nothing that occurred after arrest and especially conviction should be
considered in an appeal. Legally it should not exist and must not
influence the court in any way.
Sorry, but the Bill of Rights and the common law tell you that you are
wrong in your view of the legal system.
Yet the death penalty has been common throughout history.
So?
It is usually considered legal and proper.
So was killing people for not sharing the religion that the king had.
A lot of reason, actually.
If the US didn't have a history of racism and economic discrimination
and the death penalty wasn't unreasonably targeted to the poor and
black, I might consider it under certain circumstances. Right now, it's
just another legacy of Jim Crow and should be abolished.
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Mom charged with murder after allegedly throwing kids into SF Bay |
27 Oct 2005 05:44:47 PM |
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On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:52:30 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<maf2m1ljeffd89ur6nfpgb75ilohomom7j@4ax.com> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:31:13 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<66e2m1p0dlq352u1fq35fkfh9ud06t5i46@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:02:49 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<aeu1m1d3o0urrb1ef9nlcoa792ghnem0bo@4ax.com> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:07:47 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<din1m1lr777jp64n40dbb39itv6jslnj7k@4ax.com>:
...
If someone is found guilty of a crime and sentenced to death
absolutely nothing they do afterward should be a factor or
consideration in executing that sentence or deciding it should not be
executed. Nothing.
I've never said that it should be. I have argued that the problem is in
the arrest and trial phase and that we need to provide many more
resources to the indigent accuses to assure that they have a fair trial.
The appellate process is slow because the trial process is broken.
Answered elsewhere, but I see no requirement for the state to fund a
defense beyond the minimum.
You don't want good counsel and you don't want decent appeals. Tough.
The courts have already decided that the lack of adequate counsel
matters.
As I said, some things need fixing.
Nothing that occurred after arrest and especially conviction should be
considered in an appeal. Legally it should not exist and must not
influence the court in any way.
Sorry, but the Bill of Rights and the common law tell you that you are
wrong in your view of the legal system.
Yet the death penalty has been common throughout history.
So?
It is usually considered legal and proper.
So was killing people for not sharing the religion that the king had.
A lot of reason, actually.
If the US didn't have a history of racism and economic discrimination
No more than any other country, and a lot less than many.
and the death penalty wasn't unreasonably targeted to the poor and
black, I might consider it under certain circumstances. Right now, it's
just another legacy of Jim Crow and should be abolished.
No.
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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| Title: Re: Mom charged with murder after allegedly throwing kids into SF Bay |
27 Oct 2005 07:32:58 PM |
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On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:44:47 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<t0m2m15kut97i6g8tdcojshdisokip7vvs@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:52:30 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<maf2m1ljeffd89ur6nfpgb75ilohomom7j@4ax.com> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:31:13 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<66e2m1p0dlq352u1fq35fkfh9ud06t5i46@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:02:49 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<aeu1m1d3o0urrb1ef9nlcoa792ghnem0bo@4ax.com> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:07:47 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<din1m1lr777jp64n40dbb39itv6jslnj7k@4ax.com>:
...
If someone is found guilty of a crime and sentenced to death
absolutely nothing they do afterward should be a factor or
consideration in executing that sentence or deciding it should not be
executed. Nothing.
I've never said that it should be. I have argued that the problem is in
the arrest and trial phase and that we need to provide many more
resources to the indigent accuses to assure that they have a fair trial.
The appellate process is slow because the trial process is broken.
Answered elsewhere, but I see no requirement for the state to fund a
defense beyond the minimum.
You don't want good counsel and you don't want decent appeals. Tough.
The courts have already decided that the lack of adequate counsel
matters.
As I said, some things need fixing.
And the Supreme Court would give that a higher priority than your desire
to execute more people with fewer appeals.
....
It is usually considered legal and proper.
So was killing people for not sharing the religion that the king had.
A lot of reason, actually.
If the US didn't have a history of racism and economic discrimination
No more than any other country, and a lot less than many.
So, you didn't seem interested in the decisions of other countries about
abolishing capital punishment. Why talk about them now?
and the death penalty wasn't unreasonably targeted to the poor and
black, I might consider it under certain circumstances. Right now, it's
just another legacy of Jim Crow and should be abolished.
No.
You may not like that fact, but it doesn't go away just because you
don't like it.
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Mom charged with murder after allegedly throwing kids into SF Bay |
27 Oct 2005 10:00:00 PM |
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On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 19:32:58 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<l9s2m1lmuvr3p2oagqienjul56hvav4192@4ax.com> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:44:47 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<t0m2m15kut97i6g8tdcojshdisokip7vvs@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:52:30 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<maf2m1ljeffd89ur6nfpgb75ilohomom7j@4ax.com> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:31:13 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<66e2m1p0dlq352u1fq35fkfh9ud06t5i46@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:02:49 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<aeu1m1d3o0urrb1ef9nlcoa792ghnem0bo@4ax.com> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:07:47 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<din1m1lr777jp64n40dbb39itv6jslnj7k@4ax.com>:
...
If someone is found guilty of a crime and sentenced to death
absolutely nothing they do afterward should be a factor or
consideration in executing that sentence or deciding it should not be
executed. Nothing.
I've never said that it should be. I have argued that the problem is in
the arrest and trial phase and that we need to provide many more
resources to the indigent accuses to assure that they have a fair trial.
The appellate process is slow because the trial process is broken.
Answered elsewhere, but I see no requirement for the state to fund a
defense beyond the minimum.
You don't want good counsel and you don't want decent appeals. Tough.
The courts have already decided that the lack of adequate counsel
matters.
As I said, some things need fixing.
And the Supreme Court would give that a higher priority than your desire
to execute more people with fewer appeals.
That would be up to them would it not?
...
It is usually considered legal and proper.
So was killing people for not sharing the religion that the king had.
A lot of reason, actually.
If the US didn't have a history of racism and economic discrimination
No more than any other country, and a lot less than many.
So, you didn't seem interested in the decisions of other countries about
abolishing capital punishment. Why talk about them now?
You are correct about that. However, the US does not have a history
of racism or economic discrimination as far as I am concerned.
Slavery was not racism and the 'economic discrimination' you mention
is a joke.
and the death penalty wasn't unreasonably targeted to the poor and
black, I might consider it under certain circumstances. Right now, it's
just another legacy of Jim Crow and should be abolished.
No.
You may not like that fact, but it doesn't go away just because you
don't like it.
It isn't a fact.
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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| Title: Re: Mom charged with murder after allegedly throwing kids into SF Bay |
27 Oct 2005 10:55:44 PM |
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On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 23:00:00 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<2q43m1569182f1f7i3q5egsoq3j6b9t17g@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 19:32:58 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<l9s2m1lmuvr3p2oagqienjul56hvav4192@4ax.com> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:44:47 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<t0m2m15kut97i6g8tdcojshdisokip7vvs@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:52:30 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<maf2m1ljeffd89ur6nfpgb75ilohomom7j@4ax.com> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:31:13 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<66e2m1p0dlq352u1fq35fkfh9ud06t5i46@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:02:49 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<aeu1m1d3o0urrb1ef9nlcoa792ghnem0bo@4ax.com> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:07:47 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<din1m1lr777jp64n40dbb39itv6jslnj7k@4ax.com>:
...
If someone is found guilty of a crime and sentenced to death
absolutely nothing they do afterward should be a factor or
consideration in executing that sentence or deciding it should not be
executed. Nothing.
I've never said that it should be. I have argued that the problem is in
the arrest and trial phase and that we need to provide many more
resources to the indigent accuses to assure that they have a fair trial.
The appellate process is slow because the trial process is broken.
Answered elsewhere, but I see no requirement for the state to fund a
defense beyond the minimum.
You don't want good counsel and you don't want decent appeals. Tough.
The courts have already decided that the lack of adequate counsel
matters.
As I said, some things need fixing.
And the Supreme Court would give that a higher priority than your desire
to execute more people with fewer appeals.
That would be up to them would it not?
...
It is usually considered legal and proper.
So was killing people for not sharing the religion that the king had.
A lot of reason, actually.
If the US didn't have a history of racism and economic discrimination
No more than any other country, and a lot less than many.
So, you didn't seem interested in the decisions of other countries about
abolishing capital punishment. Why talk about them now?
You are correct about that. However, the US does not have a history
of racism or economic discrimination as far as I am concerned.
There's really no reason to discuss politics with someone who refuses to
accept the evidence.
Slavery was not racism and the 'economic discrimination' you mention
is a joke.
Yep, I hope this discussion was interesting to others because you have
shown that you cannot be talked to. You have a bunch of false premises
in place that you hold to religiously.
and the death penalty wasn't unreasonably targeted to the poor and
black, I might consider it under certain circumstances. Right now, it's
just another legacy of Jim Crow and should be abolished.
No.
You may not like that fact, but it doesn't go away just because you
don't like it.
It isn't a fact.
Goodbye.
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| User: "Mimi Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: Mom charged with murder after allegedly throwing kids into SFBay |
28 Oct 2005 11:51:28 AM |
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David Jensen wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
When you two are finished with your "am not" "are too" conversation do
let us know, this is boring to those of us who would actually like to
discuss the possible/probable mental illness of the mother in the
subject line
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Mom charged with murder after allegedly throwing kids into SF Bay |
28 Oct 2005 01:07:46 PM |
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On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 22:55:44 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<8683m19p4cajte6qa1q8mvqbd418spo2ad@4ax.com> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 23:00:00 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<2q43m1569182f1f7i3q5egsoq3j6b9t17g@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 19:32:58 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<l9s2m1lmuvr3p2oagqienjul56hvav4192@4ax.com> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:44:47 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<t0m2m15kut97i6g8tdcojshdisokip7vvs@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:52:30 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<maf2m1ljeffd89ur6nfpgb75ilohomom7j@4ax.com> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:31:13 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<66e2m1p0dlq352u1fq35fkfh9ud06t5i46@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:02:49 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<aeu1m1d3o0urrb1ef9nlcoa792ghnem0bo@4ax.com> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:07:47 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<din1m1lr777jp64n40dbb39itv6jslnj7k@4ax.com>:
...
If someone is found guilty of a crime and sentenced to death
absolutely nothing they do afterward should be a factor or
consideration in executing that sentence or deciding it should not be
executed. Nothing.
I've never said that it should be. I have argued that the problem is in
the arrest and trial phase and that we need to provide many more
resources to the indigent accuses to assure that they have a fair trial.
The appellate process is slow because the trial process is broken.
Answered elsewhere, but I see no requirement for the state to fund a
defense beyond the minimum.
You don't want good counsel and you don't want decent appeals. Tough.
The courts have already decided that the lack of adequate counsel
matters.
As I said, some things need fixing.
And the Supreme Court would give that a higher priority than your desire
to execute more people with fewer appeals.
That would be up to them would it not?
...
It is usually considered legal and proper.
So was killing people for not sharing the religion that the king had.
A lot of reason, actually.
If the US didn't have a history of racism and economic discrimination
No more than any other country, and a lot less than many.
So, you didn't seem interested in the decisions of other countries about
abolishing capital punishment. Why talk about them now?
You are correct about that. However, the US does not have a history
of racism or economic discrimination as far as I am concerned.
There's really no reason to discuss politics with someone who refuses to
accept the evidence.
Meaning someone who disagrees with you?
Slavery was not racism and the 'economic discrimination' you mention
is a joke.
Yep, I hope this discussion was interesting to others because you have
shown that you cannot be talked to. You have a bunch of false premises
in place that you hold to religiously.
Nonsense. If you look at history there have been at least as many
white slaves as any other race. Rome, Greece, early Europe.
Sometimes they were called peasants but the result was the same.
It is a function of our society that wealth matters. That is the way
it works and the way it has always worked. A man with two cows has a
better chance of surviving the winter than a man with one cow because
he has more food available.
and the death penalty wasn't unreasonably targeted to the poor and
black, I might consider it under certain circumstances. Right now, it's
just another legacy of Jim Crow and should be abolished.
No.
You may not like that fact, but it doesn't go away just because you
don't like it.
It isn't a fact.
Goodbye.
You forgot to declare some kind of victory.
Watch out for that door and where it hits.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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24 Oct 2005 07:34:00 AM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and Attila <prochoice@here.now>
posting the following on Mon, 24 Oct 2005 06:16:15 -0400 iin
alt.atheism?
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:41:28 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<n5tnl11vpvc4hkj8vbcnfqcp9cu453svq8@4ax.com> wrote:
Why nothing? He was wrongly convicted! An innocent man, kept in
prison for nine years!
He deserves more.
Then let him sue someone.
He did, moron. He sued the State of California, and was awarded
$350,000!
Oddly, having actually killed people, I take it more seriously than
you.
That does not give you any special insight. How do you know I was not
a military sniper, now retired?
Because I was a sniper, and you don't sound like one of us.
Which leads to severe mental problems among the executioners.
Not if there is a volunteer.
Yup. Never fired a shot in anger.
That's
why you have several rifles.. one guy gets a blank.
That is to give an out for troops that are assigned execution squad
duty.
That was the standard in American firing squads at the state level
too.
Have you ever actually shot someone? It is not easy, even in combat.
You implied I have not earlier in this post. Which is it? I have not
or are you asking? Plus there is the possibility I could not legally
answer that question.
Squirm, evade, run. You're good at that.
And when we make a mistake, what? Say "oops, sorry we killed your
completely innocent son, Mrs. Jones, but think of all the money we
saved!"
No system is perfect.
Which is why we don't kill people. Store them until they die, then
cremate the bodies. That way, if an error was made, we can rectify it.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Attila" |
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24 Oct 2005 04:06:37 PM |
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On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 12:34:00 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<31lpl15gum6iq6p402qbnbu1dthe8ugdor@4ax.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and Attila <prochoice@here.now>
posting the following on Mon, 24 Oct 2005 06:16:15 -0400 iin
alt.atheism?
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:41:28 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<n5tnl11vpvc4hkj8vbcnfqcp9cu453svq8@4ax.com> wrote:
Why nothing? He was wrongly convicted! An innocent man, kept in
prison for nine years!
He deserves more.
Then let him sue someone.
He did, moron. He sued the State of California, and was awarded
$350,000!
That is not the same as his simply receiving the money because he was
wrongly convicted. If he won a lawsuit and proved a legal basis in
court for the award it would be valid.
Oddly, having actually killed people, I take it more seriously than
you.
That does not give you any special insight. How do you know I was not
a military sniper, now retired?
Because I was a sniper, and you don't sound like one of us.
Oh? Do all snipers sound alike?
Which leads to severe mental problems among the executioners.
Not if there is a volunteer.
Yup. Never fired a shot in anger.
Because I postulate that could be volunteers for a firing squad?
Did they use a squad with a blank ax when beheading was the preferred
form of execution? Or did they find a lot of people who would do it
as a profession, or at least do it whenever it was necessary? Do you
contend executioners throughout history all had mental problems?
That's
why you have several rifles.. one guy gets a blank.
That is to give an out for troops that are assigned execution squad
duty.
That was the standard in American firing squads at the state level
too.
So?
Have you ever actually shot someone? It is not easy, even in combat.
You implied I have not earlier in this post. Which is it? I have not
or are you asking? Plus there is the possibility I could not legally
answer that question.
Squirm, evade, run. You're good at that.
Perhaps I was well trained in such techniques. It can be a survival
trait.
And when we make a mistake, what? Say "oops, sorry we killed your
completely innocent son, Mrs. Jones, but think of all the money we
saved!"
No system is perfect.
Which is why we don't kill people. Store them until they die, then
cremate the bodies. That way, if an error was made, we can rectify it.
How do you rectify a conviction error using a cremated body?
And no, I actually grew up between wars. Too young for Korea and too
old for Viet Nam and was never in the military. But I have seen the
inside of three of the five branches of the military and am familiar
with the life and the culture.
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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23 Oct 2005 10:05:00 AM |
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On the auspictious date of Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:52:19 GMT, Douglas
Berry said unto the multitude in message-id
<3n8nl1ht7jlhsce7lefdeqnuut96dhlmr5@4ax.com>:
What's so funny about peace, love and Attila <prochoice@here.now>
posting the following on Sun, 23 Oct 2005 07:59:25 -0400 iin
alt.atheism?
My objection to the death penalty is based on the fact that the
justice system does make mistakes. Innocent people are convicted, and
then proven innocent years, if not decades later.
We just had a case like that here in SF. A man convicted of raping a
13 year old girl was freed after DNA testing proved he couldn't have
been the attacker. For his nine years in prison, the state is
coughing up $350,000.
Which is silly.
True. He should have gotten more.
As a matter of interest dept:
In the UK when such cases come up, they subtract a fee for board and
lodging from any such award.
Amazing, eh?
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| User: "Attila" |
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23 Oct 2005 02:44:30 PM |
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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 15:05:00 GMT, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<ih9nl1por5e1dllhiltfjq58ge0ld5o2co@4ax.com> wrote:
On the auspictious date of Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:52:19 GMT, Douglas
Berry said unto the multitude in message-id
<3n8nl1ht7jlhsce7lefdeqnuut96dhlmr5@4ax.com>:
What's so funny about peace, love and Attila <prochoice@here.now>
posting the following on Sun, 23 Oct 2005 07:59:25 -0400 iin
alt.atheism?
My objection to the death penalty is based on the fact that the
justice system does make mistakes. Innocent people are convicted, and
then proven innocent years, if not decades later.
We just had a case like that here in SF. A man convicted of raping a
13 year old girl was freed after DNA testing proved he couldn't have
been the attacker. For his nine years in prison, the state is
coughing up $350,000.
Which is silly.
True. He should have gotten more.
As a matter of interest dept:
In the UK when such cases come up, they subtract a fee for board and
lodging from any such award.
Amazing, eh?
Sounds good to me. And give him a bill of there is a shortage.
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23 Oct 2005 04:29:28 PM |
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On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 17:14:22 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 19:18:24 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<mg0ll11t1gk36b0k0qqmine5c50bublm07@4ax.com> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 13:01:24 -0500 in alt.atheism, David Jensen
(David Jensen <david@dajensen-family.com>) said, directing the reply
to alt.atheism
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 12:48:24 -0500, in alt.atheism
Asmodeus <bondcATrightwingnationDOTcom> wrote in
<Xns96F78C7452FA3bondcrightwingnation@216.196.97.142>:
David Jensen <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in
news:n2tkl1pqts54ti6l0kgrdvrr9839p3o5e5@4ax.com:
Killed, murder includes a state of mind.
So you want to let her go, and to hell with the three murdered
children. Justice is justice. She deserves the death penalty,
no matter how many "disabilities" she has.
Justice is justice. You are not advocating justice. You cannot name a
single jurisdiction in any developed country that would allow the
execution of a person who is clearly not responsible for their actions.
Aside: Countries with the death penalty:
Afghanistan
Antigua and Barbuda
Bahamas
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Barbados
Belarus
Belize
Botswana
Burundi
Cameroon
Chad
China (People's Republic)
Comoros
Congo (Democratic Republic)
Cuba
Dominica
Egypt
Equatorial Guinea
Eritrea
Ethiopia
Gabon
Ghana
Guatemala
Guinea
Guyana
India
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Jamaica
Japan
Jordan
Kazakhstan
Korea, North
Korea, South
Kuwait
Kyrgyzstan
Laos
Lebanon
Lesotho
Liberia
Libya
Malawi
Malaysia
Mongolia
Nigeria
Oman
Pakistan
Palestinian Authority
Philippines
Qatar
Rwanda
St. Kitts and Nevis
St. Lucia
St. Vincent and the Grenadines
Saudi Arabia
Sierra Leone
Singapore
Somalia
Sudan
Swaziland
Syria
Taiwan
Tajikistan
Tanzania
Thailand
Trinidad and Tobago
Uganda
United Arab Emirates
United States
Uzbekistan
Vietnam
Yemen
Zambia
Zimbabwe
I am glad the US is still on the list.
Why are you glad about killing people?
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| User: "Attila" |
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25 Oct 2005 04:19:34 AM |
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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:29:28 -0500, Paul Erickson
<prerickson@houston.rr.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<450ol1heul3m846qe6mf4rij0gqijolibs@4ax.com> wrote:
I am glad the US is still on the list.
Why are you glad about killing people?
I am glad the US still has the death penalty.
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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25 Oct 2005 08:22:32 AM |
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On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 05:19:34 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<24url1hn13lumkq1qr6v4tlhtbvi9p3m4k@4ax.com>:
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:29:28 -0500, Paul Erickson
<prerickson@houston.rr.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<450ol1heul3m846qe6mf4rij0gqijolibs@4ax.com> wrote:
I am glad the US is still on the list.
Why are you glad about killing people?
I am glad the US still has the death penalty.
Isn't blood lust fun!
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| User: "Attila" |
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26 Oct 2005 04:32:15 AM |
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On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:22:32 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<bccsl15i5n02her2j8i2a3vvmbkfg1j7s5@4ax.com> wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 05:19:34 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<24url1hn13lumkq1qr6v4tlhtbvi9p3m4k@4ax.com>:
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:29:28 -0500, Paul Erickson
<prerickson@houston.rr.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<450ol1heul3m846qe6mf4rij0gqijolibs@4ax.com> wrote:
I am glad the US is still on the list.
Why are you glad about killing people?
I am glad the US still has the death penalty.
Isn't blood lust fun!
No, but supporting a working legal system is sanity.
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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26 Oct 2005 08:28:49 AM |
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On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 05:32:15 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<08jul1t6kf3fibll0hu7agsd5tk7gpe9ij@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:22:32 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<bccsl15i5n02her2j8i2a3vvmbkfg1j7s5@4ax.com> wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 05:19:34 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<24url1hn13lumkq1qr6v4tlhtbvi9p3m4k@4ax.com>:
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:29:28 -0500, Paul Erickson
<prerickson@houston.rr.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<450ol1heul3m846qe6mf4rij0gqijolibs@4ax.com> wrote:
I am glad the US is still on the list.
Why are you glad about killing people?
I am glad the US still has the death penalty.
Isn't blood lust fun!
No, but supporting a working legal system is sanity.
The death penalty is not necessary for a working legal system. Executing
the insane is not part of a just legal system.
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| User: "Attila" |
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27 Oct 2005 09:25:08 AM |
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On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:28:49 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<d31vl119h2b7fvmopome7isckurqo6ge38@4ax.com> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 05:32:15 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<08jul1t6kf3fibll0hu7agsd5tk7gpe9ij@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:22:32 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<bccsl15i5n02her2j8i2a3vvmbkfg1j7s5@4ax.com> wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 05:19:34 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<24url1hn13lumkq1qr6v4tlhtbvi9p3m4k@4ax.com>:
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:29:28 -0500, Paul Erickson
<prerickson@houston.rr.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<450ol1heul3m846qe6mf4rij0gqijolibs@4ax.com> wrote:
I am glad the US is still on the list.
Why are you glad about killing people?
I am glad the US still has the death penalty.
Isn't blood lust fun!
No, but supporting a working legal system is sanity.
The death penalty is not necessary for a working legal system.
In your opinion. Mine differs.
Executing
the insane is not part of a just legal system.
The legally insane, no. But if they are ever judged sane they should
be tried at that time.
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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27 Oct 2005 11:13:13 AM |
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On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:25:08 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<ono1m1t6973fc72km235fjp509oibk4buf@4ax.com>:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:28:49 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<d31vl119h2b7fvmopome7isckurqo6ge38@4ax.com> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 05:32:15 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<08jul1t6kf3fibll0hu7agsd5tk7gpe9ij@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:22:32 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<bccsl15i5n02her2j8i2a3vvmbkfg1j7s5@4ax.com> wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 05:19:34 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<24url1hn13lumkq1qr6v4tlhtbvi9p3m4k@4ax.com>:
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:29:28 -0500, Paul Erickson
<prerickson@houston.rr.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<450ol1heul3m846qe6mf4rij0gqijolibs@4ax.com> wrote:
I am glad the US is still on the list.
Why are you glad about killing people?
I am glad the US still has the death penalty.
Isn't blood lust fun!
No, but supporting a working legal system is sanity.
The death penalty is not necessary for a working legal system.
In your opinion. Mine differs.
Executing
the insane is not part of a just legal system.
The legally insane, no. But if they are ever judged sane they should
be tried at that time.
Sorry, but there are two different times that sanity matters. If a
person is legally insane at the time of the crime, he cannot be
convicted of the crime -- ever. If he is legally insane at the time of
the trial, he cannot be tried until he is sane enough to participate in
his defense.
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| User: "Attila" |
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27 Oct 2005 03:41:08 PM |
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On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:13:13 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<c2v1m1h1ihb7irjs5jg0lkkcprkontm80h@4ax.com> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:25:08 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<ono1m1t6973fc72km235fjp509oibk4buf@4ax.com>:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:28:49 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<d31vl119h2b7fvmopome7isckurqo6ge38@4ax.com> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 05:32:15 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<08jul1t6kf3fibll0hu7agsd5tk7gpe9ij@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:22:32 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<bccsl15i5n02her2j8i2a3vvmbkfg1j7s5@4ax.com> wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 05:19:34 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<24url1hn13lumkq1qr6v4tlhtbvi9p3m4k@4ax.com>:
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:29:28 -0500, Paul Erickson
<prerickson@houston.rr.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<450ol1heul3m846qe6mf4rij0gqijolibs@4ax.com> wrote:
I am glad the US is still on the list.
Why are you glad about killing people?
I am glad the US still has the death penalty.
Isn't blood lust fun!
No, but supporting a working legal system is sanity.
The death penalty is not necessary for a working legal system.
In your opinion. Mine differs.
Executing
the insane is not part of a just legal system.
The legally insane, no. But if they are ever judged sane they should
be tried at that time.
Sorry, but there are two different times that sanity matters. If a
person is legally insane at the time of the crime, he cannot be
convicted of the crime -- ever.
I have a problem with that. Especially if someone is ever 'cured'.
If he is legally insane at the time of
the trial, he cannot be tried until he is sane enough to participate in
his defense.
Legally insane. Not just a fruitcake.
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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27 Oct 2005 04:03:25 PM |
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On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:41:08 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<loe2m11do6m1rusbj4d67r46teknflf53j@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:13:13 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<c2v1m1h1ihb7irjs5jg0lkkcprkontm80h@4ax.com> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:25:08 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<ono1m1t6973fc72km235fjp509oibk4buf@4ax.com>:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:28:49 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<d31vl119h2b7fvmopome7isckurqo6ge38@4ax.com> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 05:32:15 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<08jul1t6kf3fibll0hu7agsd5tk7gpe9ij@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:22:32 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<bccsl15i5n02her2j8i2a3vvmbkfg1j7s5@4ax.com> wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 05:19:34 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<24url1hn13lumkq1qr6v4tlhtbvi9p3m4k@4ax.com>:
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:29:28 -0500, Paul Erickson
<prerickson@houston.rr.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<450ol1heul3m846qe6mf4rij0gqijolibs@4ax.com> wrote:
I am glad the US is still on the list.
Why are you glad about killing people?
I am glad the US still has the death penalty.
Isn't blood lust fun!
No, but supporting a working legal system is sanity.
The death penalty is not necessary for a working legal system.
In your opinion. Mine differs.
Executing
the insane is not part of a just legal system.
The legally insane, no. But if they are ever judged sane they should
be tried at that time.
Sorry, but there are two different times that sanity matters. If a
person is legally insane at the time of the crime, he cannot be
convicted of the crime -- ever.
I have a problem with that. Especially if someone is ever 'cured'.
It is problematic. When the law was first developed, the courts and the
rest of society had no idea what to do with these people. I'm not
certain that anyone who was found not guilty by reason of insanity
enjoyed going to Bedlam, though. Some states have, or have considered,
an alternative, guilty but insane, which has the same effect.
If he is legally insane at the time of
the trial, he cannot be tried until he is sane enough to participate in
his defense.
Legally insane. Not just a fruitcake.
Incapable of participating in a meaningful way in the defense. Again,
these people are generally held in confinement in a criminal mental
hospital until they are considered capable of participating in their
defense.
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27 Oct 2005 05:50:41 PM |
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On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:03:25 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<4vf2m1hnfm93ksc0p2h1i42ao1h8cb9ts5@4ax.com> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:41:08 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<loe2m11do6m1rusbj4d67r46teknflf53j@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:13:13 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<c2v1m1h1ihb7irjs5jg0lkkcprkontm80h@4ax.com> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:25:08 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<ono1m1t6973fc72km235fjp509oibk4buf@4ax.com>:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:28:49 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<d31vl119h2b7fvmopome7isckurqo6ge38@4ax.com> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 05:32:15 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<08jul1t6kf3fibll0hu7agsd5tk7gpe9ij@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:22:32 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<bccsl15i5n02her2j8i2a3vvmbkfg1j7s5@4ax.com> wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 05:19:34 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<24url1hn13lumkq1qr6v4tlhtbvi9p3m4k@4ax.com>:
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:29:28 -0500, Paul Erickson
<prerickson@houston.rr.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<450ol1heul3m846qe6mf4rij0gqijolibs@4ax.com> wrote:
I am glad the US is still on the list.
Why are you glad about killing people?
I am glad the US still has the death penalty.
Isn't blood lust fun!
No, but supporting a working legal system is sanity.
The death penalty is not necessary for a working legal system.
In your opinion. Mine differs.
Executing
the insane is not part of a just legal system.
The legally insane, no. But if they are ever judged sane they should
be tried at that time.
Sorry, but there are two different times that sanity matters. If a
person is legally insane at the time of the crime, he cannot be
convicted of the crime -- ever.
I have a problem with that. Especially if someone is ever 'cured'.
It is problematic. When the law was first developed, the courts and the
rest of society had no idea what to do with these people. I'm not
certain that anyone who was found not guilty by reason of insanity
enjoyed going to Bedlam, though. Some states have, or have considered,
an alternative, guilty but insane, which has the same effect.
They can call them red candy apples for all I care. As long as they
don't get out into the public again.
If he is legally insane at the time of
the trial, he cannot be tried until he is sane enough to participate in
his defense.
Legally insane. Not just a fruitcake.
Incapable of participating in a meaningful way in the defense.
Which is legally insane.
Again,
these people are generally held in confinement in a criminal mental
hospital until they are considered capable of participating in their
defense.
And then try them.
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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27 Oct 2005 07:38:28 PM |
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On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:50:41 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<59m2m1haeuv9bg525vcu3cg5hrs3klrc8f@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:03:25 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<4vf2m1hnfm93ksc0p2h1i42ao1h8cb9ts5@4ax.com> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:41:08 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<loe2m11do6m1rusbj4d67r46teknflf53j@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:13:13 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<c2v1m1h1ihb7irjs5jg0lkkcprkontm80h@4ax.com> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:25:08 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<ono1m1t6973fc72km235fjp509oibk4buf@4ax.com>:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:28:49 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<d31vl119h2b7fvmopome7isckurqo6ge38@4ax.com> wrote:
....
Executing
the insane is not part of a just legal system.
The legally insane, no. But if they are ever judged sane they should
be tried at that time.
Sorry, but there are two different times that sanity matters. If a
person is legally insane at the time of the crime, he cannot be
convicted of the crime -- ever.
I have a problem with that. Especially if someone is ever 'cured'.
It is problematic. When the law was first developed, the courts and the
rest of society had no idea what to do with these people. I'm not
certain that anyone who was found not guilty by reason of insanity
enjoyed going to Bedlam, though. Some states have, or have considered,
an alternative, guilty but insane, which has the same effect.
They can call them red candy apples for all I care. As long as they
don't get out into the public again.
They don't, except for rare exceptions. Of course, those exceptions are
usually part of a family with some means.
If he is legally insane at the time of
the trial, he cannot be tried until he is sane enough to participate in
his defense.
Legally insane. Not just a fruitcake.
Incapable of participating in a meaningful way in the defense.
Which is legally insane.
How do you have a trial where the defendant has no idea what is going
on?
Again,
these people are generally held in confinement in a criminal mental
hospital until they are considered capable of participating in their
defense.
And then try them.
They do.
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| User: "Attila" |
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27 Oct 2005 10:04:14 PM |
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On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 19:38:28 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<4ks2m1d8kkod8tbk6okvse3gufd49lrptp@4ax.com> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:50:41 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<59m2m1haeuv9bg525vcu3cg5hrs3klrc8f@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:03:25 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<4vf2m1hnfm93ksc0p2h1i42ao1h8cb9ts5@4ax.com> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:41:08 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<loe2m11do6m1rusbj4d67r46teknflf53j@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:13:13 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<c2v1m1h1ihb7irjs5jg0lkkcprkontm80h@4ax.com> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:25:08 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<ono1m1t6973fc72km235fjp509oibk4buf@4ax.com>:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:28:49 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<d31vl119h2b7fvmopome7isckurqo6ge38@4ax.com> wrote:
...
Executing
the insane is not part of a just legal system.
The legally insane, no. But if they are ever judged sane they should
be tried at that time.
Sorry, but there are two different times that sanity matters. If a
person is legally insane at the time of the crime, he cannot be
convicted of the crime -- ever.
I have a problem with that. Especially if someone is ever 'cured'.
It is problematic. When the law was first developed, the courts and the
rest of society had no idea what to do with these people. I'm not
certain that anyone who was found not guilty by reason of insanity
enjoyed going to Bedlam, though. Some states have, or have considered,
an alternative, guilty but insane, which has the same effect.
They can call them red candy apples for all I care. As long as they
don't get out into the public again.
They don't, except for rare exceptions. Of course, those exceptions are
usually part of a family with some means.
Or political power.
If he is legally insane at the time of
the trial, he cannot be tried until he is sane enough to participate in
his defense.
Legally insane. Not just a fruitcake.
Incapable of participating in a meaningful way in the defense.
Which is legally insane.
How do you have a trial where the defendant has no idea what is going
on?
Who said we could?
Although trials have been held when the defendant was not even
present.
Again,
these people are generally held in confinement in a criminal mental
hospital until they are considered capable of participating in their
defense.
And then try them.
They do.
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26 Oct 2005 11:02:32 AM |
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On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:28:49 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<d31vl119h2b7fvmopome7isckurqo6ge38@4ax.com> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 05:32:15 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<08jul1t6kf3fibll0hu7agsd5tk7gpe9ij@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:22:32 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<bccsl15i5n02her2j8i2a3vvmbkfg1j7s5@4ax.com> wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 05:19:34 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<24url1hn13lumkq1qr6v4tlhtbvi9p3m4k@4ax.com>:
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:29:28 -0500, Paul Erickson
<prerickson@houston.rr.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<450ol1heul3m846qe6mf4rij0gqijolibs@4ax.com> wrote:
I am glad the US is still on the list.
Why are you glad about killing people?
I am glad the US still has the death penalty.
Isn't blood lust fun!
No, but supporting a working legal system is sanity.
The death penalty is not necessary for a working legal system. Executing
the insane is not part of a just legal system.
I disagree on both points.
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26 Oct 2005 11:55:48 AM |
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On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:02:32 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<14avl1p4s03lb8q9bv47nnmum2vr4kc05i@4ax.com>:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:28:49 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<d31vl119h2b7fvmopome7isckurqo6ge38@4ax.com> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 05:32:15 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<08jul1t6kf3fibll0hu7agsd5tk7gpe9ij@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:22:32 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<bccsl15i5n02her2j8i2a3vvmbkfg1j7s5@4ax.com> wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 05:19:34 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<24url1hn13lumkq1qr6v4tlhtbvi9p3m4k@4ax.com>:
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:29:28 -0500, Paul Erickson
<prerickson@houston.rr.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<450ol1heul3m846qe6mf4rij0gqijolibs@4ax.com> wrote:
I am glad the US is still on the list.
Why are you glad about killing people?
I am glad the US still has the death penalty.
Isn't blood lust fun!
No, but supporting a working legal system is sanity.
The death penalty is not necessary for a working legal system. Executing
the insane is not part of a just legal system.
I disagree on both points.
Could you tell us which countries execute the insane, please.
Could you tell us how the legal systems have failed in countries and
states that have abolished the death penalty.
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27 Oct 2005 09:27:37 AM |
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On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:55:48 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<v6dvl1ta8vhknf2560rt70kj0gis2q0j2d@4ax.com> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:02:32 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<14avl1p4s03lb8q9bv47nnmum2vr4kc05i@4ax.com>:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:28:49 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<d31vl119h2b7fvmopome7isckurqo6ge38@4ax.com> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 05:32:15 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<08jul1t6kf3fibll0hu7agsd5tk7gpe9ij@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:22:32 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<bccsl15i5n02her2j8i2a3vvmbkfg1j7s5@4ax.com> wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 05:19:34 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<24url1hn13lumkq1qr6v4tlhtbvi9p3m4k@4ax.com>:
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:29:28 -0500, Paul Erickson
<prerickson@houston.rr.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<450ol1heul3m846qe6mf4rij0gqijolibs@4ax.com> wrote:
I am glad the US is still on the list.
Why are you glad about killing people?
I am glad the US still has the death penalty.
Isn't blood lust fun!
No, but supporting a working legal system is sanity.
The death penalty is not necessary for a working legal system. Executing
the insane is not part of a just legal system.
I disagree on both points.
Could you tell us which countries execute the insane, please.
Could you tell us how the legal systems have failed in countries and
states that have abolished the death penalty.
I have no idea. I am not a lawyer nor am I concerned with what occurs
in other countries. That is their concern, not mine.
As far as I am concerned the elimination of the death penalty is in
and of itself an indication the legal system has failed. No other
fact is needed.
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27 Oct 2005 11:11:46 AM |
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On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:27:37 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<lqo1m11pftohek5blv8dotv1btdkcsf4s5@4ax.com>:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:55:48 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<v6dvl1ta8vhknf2560rt70kj0gis2q0j2d@4ax.com> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:02:32 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<14avl1p4s03lb8q9bv47nnmum2vr4kc05i@4ax.com>:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:28:49 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<d31vl119h2b7fvmopome7isckurqo6ge38@4ax.com> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 05:32:15 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<08jul1t6kf3fibll0hu7agsd5tk7gpe9ij@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:22:32 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<bccsl15i5n02her2j8i2a3vvmbkfg1j7s5@4ax.com> wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 05:19:34 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<24url1hn13lumkq1qr6v4tlhtbvi9p3m4k@4ax.com>:
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:29:28 -0500, Paul Erickson
<prerickson@houston.rr.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<450ol1heul3m846qe6mf4rij0gqijolibs@4ax.com> wrote:
I am glad the US is still on the list.
Why are you glad about killing people?
I am glad the US still has the death penalty.
Isn't blood lust fun!
No, but supporting a working legal system is sanity.
The death penalty is not necessary for a working legal system. Executing
the insane is not part of a just legal system.
I disagree on both points.
Could you tell us which countries execute the insane, please.
Could you tell us how the legal systems have failed in countries and
states that have abolished the death penalty.
I have no idea. I am not a lawyer nor am I concerned with what occurs
in other countries. That is their concern, not mine.
As far as I am concerned the elimination of the death penalty is in
and of itself an indication the legal system has failed. No other
fact is needed.
You and Joseph Stalin would have gotten along famously on this one.
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27 Oct 2005 03:39:31 PM |
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On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:11:46 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<31v1m1l0ra23hfvr2l0qegblkrp85764qh@4ax.com> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:27:37 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<lqo1m11pftohek5blv8dotv1btdkcsf4s5@4ax.com>:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:55:48 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<v6dvl1ta8vhknf2560rt70kj0gis2q0j2d@4ax.com> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:02:32 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<14avl1p4s03lb8q9bv47nnmum2vr4kc05i@4ax.com>:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:28:49 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<d31vl119h2b7fvmopome7isckurqo6ge38@4ax.com> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 05:32:15 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<08jul1t6kf3fibll0hu7agsd5tk7gpe9ij@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:22:32 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<bccsl15i5n02her2j8i2a3vvmbkfg1j7s5@4ax.com> wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 05:19:34 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<24url1hn13lumkq1qr6v4tlhtbvi9p3m4k@4ax.com>:
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:29:28 -0500, Paul Erickson
<prerickson@houston.rr.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<450ol1heul3m846qe6mf4rij0gqijolibs@4ax.com> wrote:
I am glad the US is still on the list.
Why are you glad about killing people?
I am glad the US still has the death penalty.
Isn't blood lust fun!
No, but supporting a working legal system is sanity.
The death penalty is not necessary for a working legal system. Executing
the insane is not part of a just legal system.
I disagree on both points.
Could you tell us which countries execute the insane, please.
Could you tell us how the legal systems have failed in countries and
states that have abolished the death penalty.
I have no idea. I am not a lawyer nor am I concerned with what occurs
in other countries. That is their concern, not mine.
As far as I am concerned the elimination of the death penalty is in
and of itself an indication the legal system has failed. No other
fact is needed.
You and Joseph Stalin would have gotten along famously on this one.
No, I really don't think so. I do not advocate the use of the legal
system for a political end.
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27 Oct 2005 04:00:09 PM |
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On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:39:31 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<8me2m1pee1md5ck53u71qbmevidsptgc1q@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:11:46 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<31v1m1l0ra23hfvr2l0qegblkrp85764qh@4ax.com> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:27:37 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<lqo1m11pftohek5blv8dotv1btdkcsf4s5@4ax.com>:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:55:48 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<v6dvl1ta8vhknf2560rt70kj0gis2q0j2d@4ax.com> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:02:32 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<14avl1p4s03lb8q9bv47nnmum2vr4kc05i@4ax.com>:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:28:49 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<d31vl119h2b7fvmopome7isckurqo6ge38@4ax.com> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 05:32:15 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<08jul1t6kf3fibll0hu7agsd5tk7gpe9ij@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:22:32 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<bccsl15i5n02her2j8i2a3vvmbkfg1j7s5@4ax.com> wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 05:19:34 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<24url1hn13lumkq1qr6v4tlhtbvi9p3m4k@4ax.com>:
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:29:28 -0500, Paul Erickson
<prerickson@houston.rr.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<450ol1heul3m846qe6mf4rij0gqijolibs@4ax.com> wrote:
I am glad the US is still on the list.
Why are you glad about killing people?
I am glad the US still has the death penalty.
Isn't blood lust fun!
No, but supporting a working legal system is sanity.
The death penalty is not necessary for a working legal system. Executing
the insane is not part of a just legal system.
I disagree on both points.
Could you tell us which countries execute the insane, please.
Could you tell us how the legal systems have failed in countries and
states that have abolished the death penalty.
I have no idea. I am not a lawyer nor am I concerned with what occurs
in other countries. That is their concern, not mine.
As far as I am concerned the elimination of the death penalty is in
and of itself an indication the legal system has failed. No other
fact is needed.
You and Joseph Stalin would have gotten along famously on this one.
No, I really don't think so. I do not advocate the use of the legal
system for a political end.
Sure you do. Executions instead of imprisonment are a political
decision, not a legal one.
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27 Oct 2005 05:47:43 PM |
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On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:00:09 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<0uf2m1lut3gqviblrgi9m36da17u2kbr3e@4ax.com> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:39:31 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<8me2m1pee1md5ck53u71qbmevidsptgc1q@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:11:46 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<31v1m1l0ra23hfvr2l0qegblkrp85764qh@4ax.com> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:27:37 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<lqo1m11pftohek5blv8dotv1btdkcsf4s5@4ax.com>:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:55:48 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
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