Science > Abortion > Mom charged with murder after allegedly throwing kids into SF Bay
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"J Young" |
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20 Oct 2005 11:27:02 PM |
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Mom charged with murder after allegedly throwing kids into SF Bay |
This woman should claim that she was only exercising her "right to choose"
and have the ACLU represent her in court.
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/breaking_news/12955752.htm
Mom charged with murder after allegedly throwing kids into SF Bay
SAN FRANCISCO - A mentally ill woman seen dropping her three sons into San
Francisco Bay from a downtown pier was charged with three counts of murder
Thursday while anguished relatives kept vigil and rescuers combed the chilly
water for the bodies of two of the victims.
Lashuan T. Harris, 23, of Oakland, was held in a hospital jail ward after
police saw her pushing an empty baby stroller away from the pier where a
witness reported spotting a woman drop the children off the end Wednesday
night.
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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| Title: Re: Mom charged with murder after allegedly throwing kids into SF Bay |
23 Oct 2005 04:41:07 PM |
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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 15:47:07 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<14qnl157j415qkn9eh9peso5hah1h9mjoo@4ax.com>:
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 09:07:56 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<r76nl1t69ek2l7mdq1sm5ebov7965b3o69@4ax.com> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 08:01:11 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<cquml1pmetkknpt409njnj7eli8u6p7j3n@4ax.com>:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 22:50:59 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<g8cll1l34r932h7va6o1p90saeham39nmc@4ax.com> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 17:14:22 -0400 in alt.atheism, Attila (Attila
<prochoice@here.now>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 19:18:24 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<mg0ll11t1gk36b0k0qqmine5c50bublm07@4ax.com> wrote:
...
Well, I suppose the company is, erm, elevating. Still that said, I
suppose that while you might feel that the death penalty is
appropriate for some kinds of crime, it is rather a shame that you
apparently consider the state of US society to be such that you find
yourself taking pleasure in that rather final solution. I can see that
someone might argue that the death penalty is a "regrettable necessity
under the circumstances," etc- but "glad" really doesn't strike me as
an appropriate term.
I don't know of a single executed person who has ever killed or hurt
someone else. Do you?
It appears that you are advocating that we kill everyone in our country
as a prophylactic. Shall we start with the richest this time?
Nonsense. I doubt everyone would be convicted of a capital offense
and sentenced to execution. Who would do the executing?
We've already established that you don't care if people are executed
wrongly. The remaining question is how willing you are to have everyone
killed.
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Mom charged with murder after allegedly throwing kids into SF Bay |
24 Oct 2005 05:26:14 AM |
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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:41:07 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<ip0ol1djdud3vcfid1dqoid1epm8hi9i0m@4ax.com> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 15:47:07 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<14qnl157j415qkn9eh9peso5hah1h9mjoo@4ax.com>:
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 09:07:56 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<r76nl1t69ek2l7mdq1sm5ebov7965b3o69@4ax.com> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 08:01:11 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<cquml1pmetkknpt409njnj7eli8u6p7j3n@4ax.com>:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 22:50:59 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<g8cll1l34r932h7va6o1p90saeham39nmc@4ax.com> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 17:14:22 -0400 in alt.atheism, Attila (Attila
<prochoice@here.now>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 19:18:24 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<mg0ll11t1gk36b0k0qqmine5c50bublm07@4ax.com> wrote:
...
Well, I suppose the company is, erm, elevating. Still that said, I
suppose that while you might feel that the death penalty is
appropriate for some kinds of crime, it is rather a shame that you
apparently consider the state of US society to be such that you find
yourself taking pleasure in that rather final solution. I can see that
someone might argue that the death penalty is a "regrettable necessity
under the circumstances," etc- but "glad" really doesn't strike me as
an appropriate term.
I don't know of a single executed person who has ever killed or hurt
someone else. Do you?
It appears that you are advocating that we kill everyone in our country
as a prophylactic. Shall we start with the richest this time?
Nonsense. I doubt everyone would be convicted of a capital offense
and sentenced to execution. Who would do the executing?
We've already established that you don't care if people are executed
wrongly. The remaining question is how willing you are to have everyone
killed.
How can you explain everyone's being convicted of a capital crime and
being sentenced to death? Who would do this for the last remaining
court personnel? they are part of 'everyone' too. I suppose the last
remaining person could execute themselves so that would not be a
problem.
But that nagging conviction factor. . .
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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| Title: Re: Mom charged with murder after allegedly throwing kids into SF Bay |
24 Oct 2005 07:51:46 AM |
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On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 06:26:14 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<8hdpl1dppvvrebdl0ichqjd8i9mduv23vs@4ax.com>:
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:41:07 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<ip0ol1djdud3vcfid1dqoid1epm8hi9i0m@4ax.com> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 15:47:07 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<14qnl157j415qkn9eh9peso5hah1h9mjoo@4ax.com>:
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 09:07:56 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<r76nl1t69ek2l7mdq1sm5ebov7965b3o69@4ax.com> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 08:01:11 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<cquml1pmetkknpt409njnj7eli8u6p7j3n@4ax.com>:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 22:50:59 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<g8cll1l34r932h7va6o1p90saeham39nmc@4ax.com> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 17:14:22 -0400 in alt.atheism, Attila (Attila
<prochoice@here.now>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 19:18:24 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<mg0ll11t1gk36b0k0qqmine5c50bublm07@4ax.com> wrote:
...
Well, I suppose the company is, erm, elevating. Still that said, I
suppose that while you might feel that the death penalty is
appropriate for some kinds of crime, it is rather a shame that you
apparently consider the state of US society to be such that you find
yourself taking pleasure in that rather final solution. I can see that
someone might argue that the death penalty is a "regrettable necessity
under the circumstances," etc- but "glad" really doesn't strike me as
an appropriate term.
I don't know of a single executed person who has ever killed or hurt
someone else. Do you?
It appears that you are advocating that we kill everyone in our country
as a prophylactic. Shall we start with the richest this time?
Nonsense. I doubt everyone would be convicted of a capital offense
and sentenced to execution. Who would do the executing?
We've already established that you don't care if people are executed
wrongly. The remaining question is how willing you are to have everyone
killed.
How can you explain everyone's being convicted of a capital crime and
being sentenced to death? Who would do this for the last remaining
court personnel? they are part of 'everyone' too. I suppose the last
remaining person could execute themselves so that would not be a
problem.
But that nagging conviction factor. . .
But you have demonstrated that you don't care if the conviction is valid
at all. Why should we waste time with trials if you don't care if
innocent people are convicted?
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Mom charged with murder after allegedly throwing kids into SF Bay |
24 Oct 2005 04:21:03 PM |
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On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 07:51:46 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<g5mpl1916mblshjd4k8sk4qvnio3rbavc9@4ax.com> wrote:
But that nagging conviction factor. . .
But you have demonstrated that you don't care if the conviction is valid
at all. Why should we waste time with trials if you don't care if
innocent people are convicted?
Not so. The system should be constantly examined and improved. Errors
should be considered serious and each one addressed.
I do not support the elimination of the death penalty.
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| User: "Pauline Barclay" |
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| Title: Re: Mom charged with murder after allegedly throwing kids into SF Bay |
23 Oct 2005 05:37:28 PM |
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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:41:07 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 15:47:07 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<14qnl157j415qkn9eh9peso5hah1h9mjoo@4ax.com>:
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 09:07:56 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<r76nl1t69ek2l7mdq1sm5ebov7965b3o69@4ax.com> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 08:01:11 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<cquml1pmetkknpt409njnj7eli8u6p7j3n@4ax.com>:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 22:50:59 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<g8cll1l34r932h7va6o1p90saeham39nmc@4ax.com> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 17:14:22 -0400 in alt.atheism, Attila (Attila
<prochoice@here.now>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 19:18:24 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<mg0ll11t1gk36b0k0qqmine5c50bublm07@4ax.com> wrote:
...
Well, I suppose the company is, erm, elevating. Still that said, I
suppose that while you might feel that the death penalty is
appropriate for some kinds of crime, it is rather a shame that you
apparently consider the state of US society to be such that you find
yourself taking pleasure in that rather final solution. I can see that
someone might argue that the death penalty is a "regrettable necessity
under the circumstances," etc- but "glad" really doesn't strike me as
an appropriate term.
I don't know of a single executed person who has ever killed or hurt
someone else. Do you?
It appears that you are advocating that we kill everyone in our country
as a prophylactic. Shall we start with the richest this time?
Nonsense. I doubt everyone would be convicted of a capital offense
and sentenced to execution. Who would do the executing?
We've already established that you don't care if people are executed
wrongly. The remaining question is how willing you are to have everyone
killed.
If they don't tap into his wallet...
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| User: "Pauline Barclay" |
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| Title: Re: Mom charged with murder after allegedly throwing kids into SF Bay |
23 Oct 2005 09:27:51 AM |
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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 09:07:56 -0500, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 08:01:11 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<cquml1pmetkknpt409njnj7eli8u6p7j3n@4ax.com>:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 22:50:59 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<g8cll1l34r932h7va6o1p90saeham39nmc@4ax.com> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 17:14:22 -0400 in alt.atheism, Attila (Attila
<prochoice@here.now>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 19:18:24 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<mg0ll11t1gk36b0k0qqmine5c50bublm07@4ax.com> wrote:
...
Well, I suppose the company is, erm, elevating. Still that said, I
suppose that while you might feel that the death penalty is
appropriate for some kinds of crime, it is rather a shame that you
apparently consider the state of US society to be such that you find
yourself taking pleasure in that rather final solution. I can see that
someone might argue that the death penalty is a "regrettable necessity
under the circumstances," etc- but "glad" really doesn't strike me as
an appropriate term.
I don't know of a single executed person who has ever killed or hurt
someone else. Do you?
It appears that you are advocating that we kill everyone in our country
as a prophylactic. Shall we start with the richest this time?
Why? To him if they have money they have every right to exist.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: Mom charged with murder after allegedly throwing kids into SF Bay |
23 Oct 2005 09:53:34 AM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and Attila <prochoice@here.now>
posting the following on Sun, 23 Oct 2005 08:01:11 -0400 iin
alt.atheism?
I don't know of a single executed person who has ever killed or hurt
someone else. Do you?
I don't know of a single person serving life without parole who has
ever killed or hurt another civilian. Do you?
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Attila" |
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23 Oct 2005 02:48:41 PM |
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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:53:34 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<bu8nl1dsse8mdohatehql5k574qctihvus@4ax.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and Attila <prochoice@here.now>
posting the following on Sun, 23 Oct 2005 08:01:11 -0400 iin
alt.atheism?
I don't know of a single executed person who has ever killed or hurt
someone else. Do you?
I don't know of a single person serving life without parole who has
ever killed or hurt another civilian. Do you?
I am certain that some have escaped and killed, and others have killed
other prisoners. Or do you consider other prisoners as fair targets?
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| User: "Paul Erickson" |
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| Title: Re: Mom charged with murder after allegedly throwing kids into SF Bay |
23 Oct 2005 04:42:11 PM |
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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 15:48:41 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:53:34 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<bu8nl1dsse8mdohatehql5k574qctihvus@4ax.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and Attila <prochoice@here.now>
posting the following on Sun, 23 Oct 2005 08:01:11 -0400 iin
alt.atheism?
I don't know of a single executed person who has ever killed or hurt
someone else. Do you?
I don't know of a single person serving life without parole who has
ever killed or hurt another civilian. Do you?
I am certain that some have escaped and killed, and others have killed
other prisoners. Or do you consider other prisoners as fair targets?
Now you're whining about the poor prisoners?
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Mom charged with murder after allegedly throwing kids into SF Bay |
25 Oct 2005 04:18:46 AM |
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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:42:11 -0500, Paul Erickson
<prerickson@houston.rr.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<ss0ol15hhd8pkq5uji46jkoqbv3r1efkn9@4ax.com> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 15:48:41 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:53:34 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<bu8nl1dsse8mdohatehql5k574qctihvus@4ax.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and Attila <prochoice@here.now>
posting the following on Sun, 23 Oct 2005 08:01:11 -0400 iin
alt.atheism?
I don't know of a single executed person who has ever killed or hurt
someone else. Do you?
I don't know of a single person serving life without parole who has
ever killed or hurt another civilian. Do you?
I am certain that some have escaped and killed, and others have killed
other prisoners. Or do you consider other prisoners as fair targets?
Now you're whining about the poor prisoners?
No. I am answering the question that was asked.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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23 Oct 2005 03:43:35 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and Attila <prochoice@here.now>
posting the following on Sun, 23 Oct 2005 15:48:41 -0400 iin
alt.atheism?
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:53:34 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<bu8nl1dsse8mdohatehql5k574qctihvus@4ax.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and Attila <prochoice@here.now>
posting the following on Sun, 23 Oct 2005 08:01:11 -0400 iin
alt.atheism?
I don't know of a single executed person who has ever killed or hurt
someone else. Do you?
I don't know of a single person serving life without parole who has
ever killed or hurt another civilian. Do you?
I am certain that some have escaped and killed, and others have killed
other prisoners. Or do you consider other prisoners as fair targets?
Heh, trust me, you'd find my vision of who a penal system should work
horrific. I take the Angola Farm in Louisiana as a model. If the
priosners want food, they raise it. They want furniture, they build
it. And they never get out early. I'd make schooling a requirement.
But no death penalty, since we can't correct errors.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Attila" |
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24 Oct 2005 05:27:46 AM |
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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:43:35 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<0dtnl1t9fvune492a9pn45n6fcmep5qnr5@4ax.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and Attila <prochoice@here.now>
posting the following on Sun, 23 Oct 2005 15:48:41 -0400 iin
alt.atheism?
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:53:34 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<bu8nl1dsse8mdohatehql5k574qctihvus@4ax.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and Attila <prochoice@here.now>
posting the following on Sun, 23 Oct 2005 08:01:11 -0400 iin
alt.atheism?
I don't know of a single executed person who has ever killed or hurt
someone else. Do you?
I don't know of a single person serving life without parole who has
ever killed or hurt another civilian. Do you?
I am certain that some have escaped and killed, and others have killed
other prisoners. Or do you consider other prisoners as fair targets?
Heh, trust me, you'd find my vision of who a penal system should work
horrific. I take the Angola Farm in Louisiana as a model. If the
priosners want food, they raise it. They want furniture, they build
it. And they never get out early. I'd make schooling a requirement.
But no death penalty, since we can't correct errors.
I advocate public execution on live TV with required all network
coverage.
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| User: "Pauline Barclay" |
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| Title: Re: Mom charged with murder after allegedly throwing kids into SF Bay |
24 Oct 2005 06:00:07 AM |
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On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 06:27:46 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:43:35 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<0dtnl1t9fvune492a9pn45n6fcmep5qnr5@4ax.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and Attila <prochoice@here.now>
posting the following on Sun, 23 Oct 2005 15:48:41 -0400 iin
alt.atheism?
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:53:34 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<bu8nl1dsse8mdohatehql5k574qctihvus@4ax.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and Attila <prochoice@here.now>
posting the following on Sun, 23 Oct 2005 08:01:11 -0400 iin
alt.atheism?
I don't know of a single executed person who has ever killed or hurt
someone else. Do you?
I don't know of a single person serving life without parole who has
ever killed or hurt another civilian. Do you?
I am certain that some have escaped and killed, and others have killed
other prisoners. Or do you consider other prisoners as fair targets?
Heh, trust me, you'd find my vision of who a penal system should work
horrific. I take the Angola Farm in Louisiana as a model. If the
priosners want food, they raise it. They want furniture, they build
it. And they never get out early. I'd make schooling a requirement.
But no death penalty, since we can't correct errors.
I advocate public execution on live TV with required all network
coverage.
Why don't you publicly execute yourself to show everybody that even
the evil get justice.
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24 Oct 2005 04:23:08 PM |
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On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 07:00:07 -0400, Pauline Barclay
<pauline.barclay@blazemail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<5kfpl1tdcec6d4kdkt14a2u48dqmi691lv@4ax.com> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 06:27:46 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:43:35 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<0dtnl1t9fvune492a9pn45n6fcmep5qnr5@4ax.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and Attila <prochoice@here.now>
posting the following on Sun, 23 Oct 2005 15:48:41 -0400 iin
alt.atheism?
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:53:34 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<bu8nl1dsse8mdohatehql5k574qctihvus@4ax.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and Attila <prochoice@here.now>
posting the following on Sun, 23 Oct 2005 08:01:11 -0400 iin
alt.atheism?
I don't know of a single executed person who has ever killed or hurt
someone else. Do you?
I don't know of a single person serving life without parole who has
ever killed or hurt another civilian. Do you?
I am certain that some have escaped and killed, and others have killed
other prisoners. Or do you consider other prisoners as fair targets?
Heh, trust me, you'd find my vision of who a penal system should work
horrific. I take the Angola Farm in Louisiana as a model. If the
priosners want food, they raise it. They want furniture, they build
it. And they never get out early. I'd make schooling a requirement.
But no death penalty, since we can't correct errors.
I advocate public execution on live TV with required all network
coverage.
Why don't you publicly execute yourself to show everybody that even
the evil get justice.
I have not been convicted of a capital crime and I have not been
sentenced to death.
your comment makes no sense beyond being a poor attempt to be
vindictive.
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| User: "Pauline Barclay" |
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26 Oct 2005 11:11:55 AM |
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On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 17:23:08 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 07:00:07 -0400, Pauline Barclay
<pauline.barclay@blazemail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<5kfpl1tdcec6d4kdkt14a2u48dqmi691lv@4ax.com> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 06:27:46 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:43:35 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<0dtnl1t9fvune492a9pn45n6fcmep5qnr5@4ax.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and Attila <prochoice@here.now>
posting the following on Sun, 23 Oct 2005 15:48:41 -0400 iin
alt.atheism?
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:53:34 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<bu8nl1dsse8mdohatehql5k574qctihvus@4ax.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and Attila <prochoice@here.now>
posting the following on Sun, 23 Oct 2005 08:01:11 -0400 iin
alt.atheism?
I don't know of a single executed person who has ever killed or hurt
someone else. Do you?
I don't know of a single person serving life without parole who has
ever killed or hurt another civilian. Do you?
I am certain that some have escaped and killed, and others have killed
other prisoners. Or do you consider other prisoners as fair targets?
Heh, trust me, you'd find my vision of who a penal system should work
horrific. I take the Angola Farm in Louisiana as a model. If the
priosners want food, they raise it. They want furniture, they build
it. And they never get out early. I'd make schooling a requirement.
But no death penalty, since we can't correct errors.
I advocate public execution on live TV with required all network
coverage.
Why don't you publicly execute yourself to show everybody that even
the evil get justice.
I have not been convicted of a capital crime...
....not yet.
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On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:11:55 -0400, Pauline Barclay
<pauline.barclay@blazemail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<2mavl1tflte49flrfi9lnae0e5dm9pp9vm@4ax.com> wrote:
I advocate public execution on live TV with required all network
coverage.
Why don't you publicly execute yourself to show everybody that even
the evil get justice.
I have not been convicted of a capital crime...
...not yet.
I can only hope.
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23 Oct 2005 04:45:56 PM |
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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:43:35 GMT, in alt.atheism
Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
<0dtnl1t9fvune492a9pn45n6fcmep5qnr5@4ax.com>:
What's so funny about peace, love and Attila <prochoice@here.now>
posting the following on Sun, 23 Oct 2005 15:48:41 -0400 iin
alt.atheism?
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:53:34 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<bu8nl1dsse8mdohatehql5k574qctihvus@4ax.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and Attila <prochoice@here.now>
posting the following on Sun, 23 Oct 2005 08:01:11 -0400 iin
alt.atheism?
I don't know of a single executed person who has ever killed or hurt
someone else. Do you?
I don't know of a single person serving life without parole who has
ever killed or hurt another civilian. Do you?
I am certain that some have escaped and killed, and others have killed
other prisoners. Or do you consider other prisoners as fair targets?
Heh, trust me, you'd find my vision of who a penal system should work
horrific. I take the Angola Farm in Louisiana as a model. If the
priosners want food, they raise it. They want furniture, they build
it. And they never get out early. I'd make schooling a requirement.
But no death penalty, since we can't correct errors.
Watch out, we get places like Georgia and Australia that way.
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23 Oct 2005 07:28:07 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> posting the following on Sun, 23 Oct 2005
16:45:56 -0500 iin alt.atheism?
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:43:35 GMT, in alt.atheism
Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
<0dtnl1t9fvune492a9pn45n6fcmep5qnr5@4ax.com>:
Heh, trust me, you'd find my vision of who a penal system should work
horrific. I take the Angola Farm in Louisiana as a model. If the
priosners want food, they raise it. They want furniture, they build
it. And they never get out early. I'd make schooling a requirement.
But no death penalty, since we can't correct errors.
Watch out, we get places like Georgia and Australia that way.
And look how Australia turned out. I'm a big believer in punishment
for crimes. Prisons should be awful places that do two things:
1. Instill a very strong desire never to come back again, and
2. Teach the skills needed to make it on the outside.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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24 Oct 2005 05:28:37 AM |
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On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 00:28:07 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<iiaol1tasp6ehspds4nfbk0nu9treb0qap@4ax.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> posting the following on Sun, 23 Oct 2005
16:45:56 -0500 iin alt.atheism?
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:43:35 GMT, in alt.atheism
Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
<0dtnl1t9fvune492a9pn45n6fcmep5qnr5@4ax.com>:
Heh, trust me, you'd find my vision of who a penal system should work
horrific. I take the Angola Farm in Louisiana as a model. If the
priosners want food, they raise it. They want furniture, they build
it. And they never get out early. I'd make schooling a requirement.
But no death penalty, since we can't correct errors.
Watch out, we get places like Georgia and Australia that way.
And look how Australia turned out. I'm a big believer in punishment
for crimes. Prisons should be awful places that do two things:
1. Instill a very strong desire never to come back again, and
2. Teach the skills needed to make it on the outside.
Neither of which occur today.
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24 Oct 2005 07:50:47 AM |
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On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 06:28:37 -0400, in alt.atheism
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
<npdpl1t9d3048i6svupdchq1crfmn1jmp2@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 00:28:07 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<iiaol1tasp6ehspds4nfbk0nu9treb0qap@4ax.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> posting the following on Sun, 23 Oct 2005
16:45:56 -0500 iin alt.atheism?
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:43:35 GMT, in alt.atheism
Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
<0dtnl1t9fvune492a9pn45n6fcmep5qnr5@4ax.com>:
Heh, trust me, you'd find my vision of who a penal system should work
horrific. I take the Angola Farm in Louisiana as a model. If the
priosners want food, they raise it. They want furniture, they build
it. And they never get out early. I'd make schooling a requirement.
But no death penalty, since we can't correct errors.
Watch out, we get places like Georgia and Australia that way.
And look how Australia turned out. I'm a big believer in punishment
for crimes. Prisons should be awful places that do two things:
1. Instill a very strong desire never to come back again, and
2. Teach the skills needed to make it on the outside.
Neither of which occur today.
Unfortunately true. Just treating people badly is going to make them
vengeful and the only thing they learn today is how to be better
criminals. Not only has our justice system become careless about which
poor people are put in prison, but the corrections system makes them
hard, angry, and gives them no reason to buy into the system when they
get out.
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| User: "Pauline Barclay" |
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24 Oct 2005 03:44:53 AM |
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On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 00:28:07 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> posting the following on Sun, 23 Oct 2005
16:45:56 -0500 iin alt.atheism?
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:43:35 GMT, in alt.atheism
Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
<0dtnl1t9fvune492a9pn45n6fcmep5qnr5@4ax.com>:
Heh, trust me, you'd find my vision of who a penal system should work
horrific. I take the Angola Farm in Louisiana as a model. If the
priosners want food, they raise it. They want furniture, they build
it. And they never get out early. I'd make schooling a requirement.
But no death penalty, since we can't correct errors.
Watch out, we get places like Georgia and Australia that way.
And look how Australia turned out. I'm a big believer in punishment
for crimes. Prisons should be awful places that do two things:
1. Instill a very strong desire never to come back again, and
2. Teach the skills needed to make it on the outside.
Wow--Imagine that! REFORMING prisons.
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22 Oct 2005 04:32:09 PM |
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Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:csall1pglbu7u9cdloaihdqeqr7v2095cr@4ax.com:
I am glad the US is still on the list.
Thank God for that.
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22 Oct 2005 05:23:48 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and Asmodeus
<bondcATrightwingnationDOTcom> posting the following on Sat, 22 Oct
2005 16:32:09 -0500 iin alt.atheism?
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:csall1pglbu7u9cdloaihdqeqr7v2095cr@4ax.com:
I am glad the US is still on the list.
Thank God for that.
My objection to the death penalty is based on the fact that the
justice system does make mistakes. Innocent people are convicted, and
then proven innocent years, if not decades later.
We just had a case like that here in SF. A man convicted of raping a
13 year old girl was freed after DNA testing proved he couldn't have
been the attacker. For his nine years in prison, the state is
coughing up $350,000.
With the death penalty, you can't rectifiy an error. In essence, the
state has murdered an innocent.
Lock them up, and let them rot. It's cheaper too!
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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22 Oct 2005 05:32:07 PM |
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Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
news:2rell11ksqu0q3u5sutqg59iv0rmq1ofs9@4ax.com:
Lock them up, and let them rot. It's cheaper too!
Only because of the idiotic automatic appeals process.
http://www.prodeathpenalty.org/
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22 Oct 2005 05:51:01 PM |
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"Asmodeus" <bondcATrightwingnationDOTcom> wrote in message
news:Xns96F7BC8E74F6Dbondcrightwingnation@216.196.97.142...
Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
news:2rell11ksqu0q3u5sutqg59iv0rmq1ofs9@4ax.com:
Lock them up, and let them rot. It's cheaper too!
Only because of the idiotic automatic appeals process.
http://www.prodeathpenalty.org/
I have worked with Corrections for several years. I have also worked death
row.
I will refrain from giving my opinion on the death penalty; however, I will
say that I can understand the arguments on both sides. What I have often
noticed, sadly enough, is that most people who are not in the system or
studied the system, often times say things when they don't really know what
they are talking about.
The appeal process..is part of what we call "due process". It's your
constitutional right and inmates, while they lose many rights, still have
the basic rights guarenteed to us under our constitution.
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22 Oct 2005 07:54:13 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and Asmodeus
<bondcATrightwingnationDOTcom> posting the following on Sat, 22 Oct
2005 17:32:07 -0500 iin alt.atheism?
Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
news:2rell11ksqu0q3u5sutqg59iv0rmq1ofs9@4ax.com:
Lock them up, and let them rot. It's cheaper too!
Only because of the idiotic automatic appeals process.
http://www.prodeathpenalty.org/
Which is designed to catch the errors before we kill someone.
And even then mistakes get made.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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23 Oct 2005 06:59:25 AM |
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On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 22:23:48 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<2rell11ksqu0q3u5sutqg59iv0rmq1ofs9@4ax.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and Asmodeus
<bondcATrightwingnationDOTcom> posting the following on Sat, 22 Oct
2005 16:32:09 -0500 iin alt.atheism?
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:csall1pglbu7u9cdloaihdqeqr7v2095cr@4ax.com:
I am glad the US is still on the list.
Thank God for that.
My objection to the death penalty is based on the fact that the
justice system does make mistakes. Innocent people are convicted, and
then proven innocent years, if not decades later.
We just had a case like that here in SF. A man convicted of raping a
13 year old girl was freed after DNA testing proved he couldn't have
been the attacker. For his nine years in prison, the state is
coughing up $350,000.
Which is silly.
With the death penalty, you can't rectifiy an error. In essence, the
state has murdered an innocent.
Wrong. Murder requires an illegal act. Execution of a convicted
criminal cannot be murder. Whether the person is eventually shown to
be innocent is irrelevant.
Lock them up, and let them rot. It's cheaper too!
Not if the execution process is streamlined. How much does one bullet
cost?
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23 Oct 2005 08:18:16 AM |
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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 07:59:25 -0400 in alt.atheism, Attila (Attila
<prochoice@here.now>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 22:23:48 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<2rell11ksqu0q3u5sutqg59iv0rmq1ofs9@4ax.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and Asmodeus
<bondcATrightwingnationDOTcom> posting the following on Sat, 22 Oct
2005 16:32:09 -0500 iin alt.atheism?
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:csall1pglbu7u9cdloaihdqeqr7v2095cr@4ax.com:
I am glad the US is still on the list.
Thank God for that.
My objection to the death penalty is based on the fact that the
justice system does make mistakes. Innocent people are convicted, and
then proven innocent years, if not decades later.
We just had a case like that here in SF. A man convicted of raping a
13 year old girl was freed after DNA testing proved he couldn't have
been the attacker. For his nine years in prison, the state is
coughing up $350,000.
Which is silly.
With the death penalty, you can't rectifiy an error. In essence, the
state has murdered an innocent.
Wrong. Murder requires an illegal act. Execution of a convicted
criminal cannot be murder. Whether the person is eventually shown to
be innocent is irrelevant.
Lock them up, and let them rot. It's cheaper too!
Not if the execution process is streamlined. How much does one bullet
cost?
Well, China has a handle on that one: they bill the family for the
cost of the bullet.
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23 Oct 2005 02:36:58 PM |
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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:18:16 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<2b3nl1pc5bgdnctntajeeirqrsen3umap8@4ax.com> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 07:59:25 -0400 in alt.atheism, Attila (Attila
<prochoice@here.now>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 22:23:48 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<2rell11ksqu0q3u5sutqg59iv0rmq1ofs9@4ax.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and Asmodeus
<bondcATrightwingnationDOTcom> posting the following on Sat, 22 Oct
2005 16:32:09 -0500 iin alt.atheism?
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:csall1pglbu7u9cdloaihdqeqr7v2095cr@4ax.com:
I am glad the US is still on the list.
Thank God for that.
My objection to the death penalty is based on the fact that the
justice system does make mistakes. Innocent people are convicted, and
then proven innocent years, if not decades later.
We just had a case like that here in SF. A man convicted of raping a
13 year old girl was freed after DNA testing proved he couldn't have
been the attacker. For his nine years in prison, the state is
coughing up $350,000.
Which is silly.
With the death penalty, you can't rectifiy an error. In essence, the
state has murdered an innocent.
Wrong. Murder requires an illegal act. Execution of a convicted
criminal cannot be murder. Whether the person is eventually shown to
be innocent is irrelevant.
Lock them up, and let them rot. It's cheaper too!
Not if the execution process is streamlined. How much does one bullet
cost?
Well, China has a handle on that one: they bill the family for the
cost of the bullet.
Too expensive. It would cost more to generate an invoice than to
simply pay for the bullet.
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23 Oct 2005 04:33:29 PM |
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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 07:59:25 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 22:23:48 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<2rell11ksqu0q3u5sutqg59iv0rmq1ofs9@4ax.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and Asmodeus
<bondcATrightwingnationDOTcom> posting the following on Sat, 22 Oct
2005 16:32:09 -0500 iin alt.atheism?
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:csall1pglbu7u9cdloaihdqeqr7v2095cr@4ax.com:
I am glad the US is still on the list.
Thank God for that.
My objection to the death penalty is based on the fact that the
justice system does make mistakes. Innocent people are convicted, and
then proven innocent years, if not decades later.
We just had a case like that here in SF. A man convicted of raping a
13 year old girl was freed after DNA testing proved he couldn't have
been the attacker. For his nine years in prison, the state is
coughing up $350,000.
Which is silly.
With the death penalty, you can't rectifiy an error. In essence, the
state has murdered an innocent.
Wrong. Murder requires an illegal act. Execution of a convicted
criminal cannot be murder. Whether the person is eventually shown to
be innocent is irrelevant.
Lock them up, and let them rot. It's cheaper too!
Not if the execution process is streamlined. How much does one bullet
cost?
So, basically, you don't mind if innocent people get killed. (I imean
innocent in reality, not just legally)
I hope they never come for you.
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