"Patrick Lee Humphrey" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
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"carl jones" <carljones@usadatanet.net> writes:

Note: "Recent advances in fetal diagnosis and therapy have provided both
the technology and opportunity to piece together a new picture of the
fetus" says William Liley M. D., professor of obstetrics and gynecology at
the university of Auckland, New Zealand. "In fact, research reveals that
the fetus may be conscious and capable of learning, communicating, and
even of amazing paranormal feats when not much bigger than a tadpole."

Posting ***** repeatedly doesn't make it true...it just makes you an
annoyance, and if you do it often enough, it makes you a spammer.

I haven't posted this repeatedly and I dislike being referred to as a
potential spammer - I hate spam messages!

"Patrick Lee Humphrey" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
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Posting ***** repeatedly doesn't make it true...it just makes you an
annoyance, and if you do it often enough, it makes you a spammer.

Perhaps it isn't *****.
I hate spammers and I am not one. Escrew posted to every newsgroup is spam

"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
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"carl jones" <carljones@usadatanet.net> wrote in
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The fetus is conscious and perceives pain.

you should refrain from posting opinions as if they were fact.

It is the statement of the veritable father of fetology

the fetus feels no pain at all

Even plants register reaction to stimulus. Certainly the fetus feels
pain!

"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
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you should refrain from posting opinions as if they were fact.
the fetus feels no pain at all

Any organic creature feels pain.

here is a reference to support my statement:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=9001683

I'll check this reference out. Do you mind my asking: how did you copy this
reference into a newsgroup message?? I have some websites I want to include
but don't know how to copy the address.

"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
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you should refrain from posting opinions as if they were fact.

the fetus feels no pain at all

Any organic creature feels pain.

here is a reference to support my statement:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=9001683

I'll check this reference out. Do you mind my asking: how did you copy
this reference into a newsgroup message?? I have some websites I want
to include but don't know how to copy the address.

I don't know, the last I heard the New England Journal of Medicine is a

more prominent than anyone from a Auckland University.

http://www.cirp.org/library/pain/anand/

Here's another little bit for ya...

http://www.journalstar.com/articles/2004/04/07/local/10047806.txt

Here's one from a Chinese paper is china, home of forced abortion.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-03/24/content_317696.htm

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"carl jones" <carljones@usadatanet.net> wrote in message
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The fetus is conscious and perceives pain.

Not until the neurons have connected to the brain at about 24 weeks.

But the unborn child reacts to pain stimulus before 24 weeks.

When I was pregnant with my son, my daughter was 17-years-old and studying
for A Level exams in the sciences. For months we talked about nothing but
physics, chemistry and biology, and after the exams she began work in a
pathology lab, so our topics of discussion were cytology and pathology. If
what Dr Liley claims is true, then you'd think that my son would be a great
physicist or something, or that at least he'd have a head start in the
science subjects, wouldn't you?

No. It doesn't follow. Communication doesn't spell learning and acceptance
of the subjects you were discussing with your daughter.

He's not even remotely interested in the sciences and didn't pass even his
O Levels in any science subject ... so much for intra-uterine learning.

I think most of this stuff about intra-uterine learning is a bunch of crap.
There are mothers trying to teach their kids language while in utero - give
me a break. This is carrying the reality of parent-child communication to a
ludicrous extreme