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21 Nov 2005 02:15:05 PM |
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More On Bush's Economy! |
http://money.cnn.com/2005/11/21/news/fortune500/gm_cuts/index.htm?cnn=yes
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) - General Motors Corp. said Monday it would cut
30,000 hourly jobs and close or scale back operations at about a dozen
U.S. and Canadian plants in a bid to save $7 billion a year and halt
huge losses in its core North American auto operations.
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21 Nov 2005 08:07:53 PM |
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"George" <ggains@waddfr.edu> wrote in message
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http://money.cnn.com/2005/11/21/news/fortune500/gm_cuts/index.htm?cnn=yes
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) - General Motors Corp. said Monday it would cut
30,000 hourly jobs and close or scale back operations at about a dozen
U.S. and Canadian plants in a bid to save $7 billion a year and halt huge
losses in its core North American auto operations.
It's too bad American auto makers can't seem to make a vehicle that is half
the car of a Japanese one. While I haven't done it, I would do some looking
into seeing what the comparrasion is between total vehicles sold this year
and past years is. Then see what people are buying instead. I'm betting it's
not American.
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21 Nov 2005 08:35:31 PM |
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"Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@yahoo.com> wrote
It's too bad American auto makers can't seem to make
a vehicle that is half the car of a Japanese one.
Speaking of which...
the roomie was looking for a new car back in December.
Amongst the models he was interested in was the Honda
CR-V. This got us into a Honda dealership, and got me
checking out all the different models & sticker prices
while he was off haggling.
Anyhow, I pointed out a little red Honda Civic to
him, with A/C and an automatic, suggesting it's 29 MPG
(City) would seem like "Free gas" after three years in
a Jeep Grand Cherokee. The price? Under 13K. For the
Civic, that is.
Here we are, 11 months later, and that same Civic is
over 15K.
"Price guaging."
So you can say what you want about GM, but I hardly
think Japanese auto makers are worth any praise, not
when they're going out of their way to stick it to their
customers.
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21 Nov 2005 09:02:31 PM |
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"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@yahoo.com> wrote
It's too bad American auto makers can't seem to make
a vehicle that is half the car of a Japanese one.
Speaking of which...
the roomie was looking for a new car back in December.
Amongst the models he was interested in was the Honda
CR-V. This got us into a Honda dealership, and got me
checking out all the different models & sticker prices
while he was off haggling.
Anyhow, I pointed out a little red Honda Civic to
him, with A/C and an automatic, suggesting it's 29 MPG
(City) would seem like "Free gas" after three years in
a Jeep Grand Cherokee. The price? Under 13K. For the
Civic, that is.
Here we are, 11 months later, and that same Civic is
over 15K.
"Price guaging."
So you can say what you want about GM, but I hardly
think Japanese auto makers are worth any praise, not
when they're going out of their way to stick it to their
customers.
I've seen the same thing with most all car makers, you just gotta know what
you are doing when you are buying a car. I personally shop cross country. If
I save a few thousand by doing that, it is well worth it.
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21 Nov 2005 09:34:59 PM |
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"Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@yahoo.com> wrote
I've seen the same thing with most all car makers, you
just gotta know what you are doing when you are buying
a car. I personally shop cross country. If I save a few
thousand by doing that, it is well worth it.
Yes, but this... this... profiteering wasn't at the dealer.
I mean, I looked online to check out the current price.
I knew what the cars were priced at in December because
I had visited dealships with the roomie back then. But I
didn't just run out to the dealer to check today's prices. I
went to the Honda website.
I knew they had jacked up prices after gas went through
the roof, but I had no idea how much. I was under the
impression it was in the 1K to $1,500 range. In reality
it was closer to $3,000.
The new $15,000 (plus) price is certainly over dealer
invoice, but you'll never find a Civic for what they were
selling at before Katrina.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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22 Nov 2005 12:09:06 AM |
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JTEM <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote:
Speaking of which...
the roomie was looking for a new car back in December.
Amongst the models he was interested in was the Honda
CR-V. This got us into a Honda dealership, and got me
checking out all the different models & sticker prices
while he was off haggling.
Anyhow, I pointed out a little red Honda Civic to
him, with A/C and an automatic, suggesting it's 29 MPG
(City) would seem like "Free gas" after three years in
a Jeep Grand Cherokee. The price? Under 13K. For the
Civic, that is.
Here we are, 11 months later, and that same Civic is
over 15K.
"Price guaging."
Don't be an idiot. Since then there is a new model year and many
changes to the car. You cannot compare two different cars and and
whine that they're not the same price.
So you can say what you want about GM, but I hardly
think Japanese auto makers are worth any praise, not
when they're going out of their way to stick it to their
customers.
Quite the communist, aren't you?
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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22 Nov 2005 12:36:54 AM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote
Don't be an idiot. Since then there is a new model year
and many changes to the car. You cannot compare two
different cars and and whine that they're not the same price.
We're talking about a $3000 increase for the Honda Civic.
Quite the communist, aren't you?
Me & about 99% of America. That is, just limiting myself to
the people who are ***** at the oil companies for
profiteering after Katrina...
Why should I tried Japanese profiteers any differently
than American profiteers?
They both suck. They both should dragged by their
scrotums over a pit of blazing coals.
A pox on both their houses!
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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22 Nov 2005 10:19:10 AM |
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JTEM <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote
Don't be an idiot. Since then there is a new model year
and many changes to the car. You cannot compare two
different cars and and whine that they're not the same price.
We're talking about a $3000 increase for the Honda Civic.
Or you're whining about a fiction that you misremembered. In the past
few years the value of the dollar has dropped, Honda keeps improving
the car, and cars are always more expensive at the beginning of the
model year than at the end of the model year.
Quite the communist, aren't you?
Me & about 99% of America.
And you're willing to pay more taxes so that products are subsidized
by the government?
That is, just limiting myself to
the people who are ***** at the oil companies for
profiteering after Katrina...
It's called "capitalism".
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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23 Nov 2005 06:47:48 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote
We're talking about a $3000 increase for the Honda Civic.
Or you're whining about a fiction that you misremembered.
Odd that the roomie would "misremember" the same fiction...
In the past few years the value of the dollar has dropped,
"Inflationary." That's the effect Honda's profiteering has on
the economy. Right.
Honda keeps improving the car,
That's what they'll no doubt pretend. But they are profiteering,
and there's no denying that. And, just like with the oil
companies, it's a nasty thing to do.
And it hurts *Everybody*. It's inflationary.
And you're willing to pay more taxes so that products
are subsidized by the government?
I'm willing to send every government investigative body
at companies that engage in profiteering... whether it be
big oil or big Japanese auto makers.
Seriously, dude, these people are ***** and the government
should call them on it.
It's called "capitalism".
Yeah, right. With capitalism, no company could get away
with profiteering.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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24 Nov 2005 01:13:36 AM |
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JTEM <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote
We're talking about a $3000 increase for the Honda Civic.
Or you're whining about a fiction that you misremembered.
Odd that the roomie would "misremember" the same fiction...
I see nothing from your roommate.
In the past few years the value of the dollar has dropped,
"Inflationary."
No.
That's the effect Honda's profiteering has on
Quite the communist, aren't you?
And you're willing to pay more taxes so that products
are subsidized by the government?
I'm willing to send every government investigative body
In other words, you're just another whiny hypocrite who wants other
people to give you their products while you continue to get a salary.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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24 Nov 2005 01:43:33 AM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote
Quite the communist, aren't you?
Like I said, me & about 99% of Americans... just
limiting myself to the people who are pissed at
the oil companies for their profiteering.
As your view of America doesn't include Americans,
there's something VERY wrong with your view.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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24 Nov 2005 12:36:44 PM |
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JTEM <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote
Quite the communist, aren't you?
Like I said, me & about 99% of Americans... just
And it is obvious ***** like that that only serves to
destroy your credibility.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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24 Nov 2005 06:00:07 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote
JTEM <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote:
Like I said, me & about 99% of Americans... just
limiting myself to the people who are pissed at
the oil companies for their profiteering.
And it is obvious ***** like that that only serves to
destroy your credibility.
What planet do you live on?
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| User: "Reasoned Insanity" |
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24 Nov 2005 02:20:06 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:dm517s$13d$1@bolt.sonic.net...
JTEM <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote
Quite the communist, aren't you?
Like I said, me & about 99% of Americans... just
And it is obvious ***** like that that only serves to
destroy your credibility.
This is quite freaky to find myself agreeing with Ray....
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24 Nov 2005 06:01:48 PM |
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"Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@yahoo.com> wrote
This is quite freaky to find myself agreeing with Ray....
So you agree? You're saying that most Americans aren't
upset with the profiteering by the oil companies in the
wake of Katrina?
Because that *Is* what he was responding to...
| Like I said, me & about 99% of Americans... just
| limiting myself to the people who are pissed at
| the oil companies for their profiteering.
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24 Nov 2005 07:14:07 PM |
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JTEM <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@yahoo.com> wrote
This is quite freaky to find myself agreeing with Ray....
So you agree? You're saying that most Americans aren't
upset with the profiteering by the oil companies in the
wake of Katrina?
Because that *Is* what he was responding to...
No, halfwit, I was addressing your pathetic little whine that Honda
charges more for their cars than you want to pay.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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24 Nov 2005 08:04:45 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote
So you agree? You're saying that most Americans aren't
upset with the profiteering by the oil companies in the
wake of Katrina?
Because that *Is* what he was responding to...
No, halfwit,
Sorry, but I'm not going to allow you to get away with it.
Here's an exact quote of what you were responding to:
Like I said, me & about 99% of Americans... just
limiting myself to the people who are pissed at
the oil companies for their profiteering.
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25 Nov 2005 01:31:40 AM |
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JTEM <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote
So you agree? You're saying that most Americans aren't
upset with the profiteering by the oil companies in the
wake of Katrina?
Because that *Is* what he was responding to...
No, halfwit,
Sorry, but I'm not going to allow you to get away with it.
Your inability to follow along is your problem. That you can't even
keep track of which corporation you're whining about only shows that
you really don't have any rational argument and only like complaining
that the world won't kiss your *****.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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26 Nov 2005 12:56:33 AM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote
Your [...]
Sorry, but seeing how you're a coward I can't be bothered.
Let me know if you ever grow some balls, coward.
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26 Nov 2005 12:00:46 PM |
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JTEM <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote
Your [...]
Sorry, but seeing how you're a coward I can't be bothered.
Let me know if you ever grow some balls, coward.
LOL!! Yeah, snipping everything I wrote really shows how brave you are!
Whuh!
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rfischer@sonic.net
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26 Nov 2005 12:19:49 PM |
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In article <dma7se$f0o$1@bolt.sonic.net>, wrote:
JTEM <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote
Your [...]
Sorry, but seeing how you're a coward I can't be bothered.
Let me know if you ever grow some balls, coward.
LOL!! Yeah, snipping everything I wrote really shows how brave you are!
• The only defense against the awful truth is to snip it and pray that
nobody notices.
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26 Nov 2005 08:09:18 PM |
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"??R.L.Measures" <r_@somis.org> wrote
. The only defense against the awful truth is to snip it
and pray that nobody notices.
Strange. Because that's exactly what Ray did.
He took this:
| Me & about 99% of America. That is, just limiting myself
| to the people who are ***** at the oil companies for
| profiteering after Katrina...
And snipped it down to this:
| Like I said, me & about 99% of Americans... just
Rayboy couldn't counter the undeniable fact that the vast
majority of Americans ARE upset with profiteering by
the oil companies after Katrina. And with a clear, real
world example defeating his mindless assertions that it
was somehow "Communism" to be against profiteering,
he felt it necessary to snip the example and pretend it
never existed.
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27 Nov 2005 12:07:02 AM |
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In article <v8ydnf4HeqYvjxTeRVn-gA@comcast.com>, "JTEM"
<gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote:
"??R.L.Measures" <r_@somis.org> wrote
. The only defense against the awful truth is to snip it
and pray that nobody notices.
Strange. Because that's exactly what Ray did.
He took this:
| Me & about 99% of America. That is, just limiting myself
| to the people who are ***** at the oil companies for
| profiteering after Katrina...
And snipped it down to this:
| Like I said, me & about 99% of Americans... just
Rayboy couldn't counter the undeniable fact that the vast
majority of Americans ARE upset with profiteering by
the oil companies after Katrina.
*** It was very unpatriotic of you to question the corporate ethics of
companies who contributed to the re-elect Bush/Cheney campaign .
And with a clear, real
world example defeating his mindless assertions that it
was somehow "Communism" to be against profiteering,
he felt it necessary to snip the example and pretend it
never existed.
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27 Nov 2005 09:52:21 PM |
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On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 22:07:02 -0800, in alt.atheism
r_@somis.org (€€R.L.Measures) wrote in
<r_-2611052207020001@192.168.1.101>:
In article <v8ydnf4HeqYvjxTeRVn-gA@comcast.com>, "JTEM"
<gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote:
"??R.L.Measures" <r_@somis.org> wrote
. The only defense against the awful truth is to snip it
and pray that nobody notices.
Strange. Because that's exactly what Ray did.
He took this:
| Me & about 99% of America. That is, just limiting myself
| to the people who are ***** at the oil companies for
| profiteering after Katrina...
And snipped it down to this:
| Like I said, me & about 99% of Americans... just
Rayboy couldn't counter the undeniable fact that the vast
majority of Americans ARE upset with profiteering by
the oil companies after Katrina.
*** It was very unpatriotic of you to question the corporate ethics of
companies who contributed to the re-elect Bush/Cheney campaign .
No one questions their ethics. Everyone knows they have none.
And with a clear, real
world example defeating his mindless assertions that it
was somehow "Communism" to be against profiteering,
he felt it necessary to snip the example and pretend it
never existed.
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27 Nov 2005 02:15:59 PM |
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JTEM <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote:
"??R.L.Measures" <r_@somis.org> wrote
| Like I said, me & about 99% of Americans... just
Rayboy couldn't counter the undeniable fact that the vast
majority of Americans ARE upset with profiteering by
So the little ***** is going to lie outright. What a surprise. You
claimed that 99% of Americans are communists. Now you're lying and making
another ***** claim about "vast majority of Americans".
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rfischer@sonic.net
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On 24 Nov 2005 10:36:44 -0800, (Ray Fischer)
wrote:
JTEM <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" < > wrote
Quite the communist, aren't you?
Like I said, me & about 99% of Americans... just
And it is obvious ***** like that that only serves to
destroy your credibility.
JTEM, that's the fun part of arguing with cultists. They are so
utterly bereft of humor that they become hilarious.
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"'I’m not meeting with that goddamned *****,' Bush screamed at aides
who suggested he meet with Cindy Sheehan, the war-protesting mother
whose son died in Iraq. 'She can go to hell as far as I’m concerned!'"
--Putsch, a decompensating drunk
"Grover Norquist couldn't drown the government, so he drowned New Orleans instead."
Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal!
Pay your taxes so the rich don't have to.
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26 Nov 2005 08:48:13 AM |
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On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 11:58:25 -0800, "2100 Dead, 14 since Hunter
resolution" <zepp2100#2211finestplanet.com@> wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 10:36:44 -0800, (Ray Fischer)
wrote:
JTEM <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" < > wrote
Quite the communist, aren't you?
Like I said, me & about 99% of Americans... just
And it is obvious ***** like that that only serves to
destroy your credibility.
JTEM, that's the fun part of arguing with cultists. They are so
utterly bereft of humor that they become hilarious.
Irony anyone?
--
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22 Nov 2005 12:36:52 AM |
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JTEM wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote
Don't be an idiot. Since then there is a new model year
and many changes to the car. You cannot compare two
different cars and and whine that they're not the same price.
We're talking about a $3000 increase for the Honda Civic.
Quite the communist, aren't you?
Me & about 99% of America. That is, just limiting myself to
the people who are ***** at the oil companies for
profiteering after Katrina...
Why should I tried Japanese profiteers any differently
than American profiteers?
They both suck. They both should dragged by their
scrotums over a pit of blazing coals.
A pox on both their houses!
Why aren't American car manufacturers more aggressive towards making a
better and more environmental friendly fuel efficient car?
We have the technology and we know what needs to be done.
If they can make fuel from Soy Bean....???? Is there something wrong
with this picture?
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22 Nov 2005 01:08:24 AM |
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"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote
Why aren't American car manufacturers more aggressive
towards making a better and more environmental friendly
fuel efficient car?
As I stated elsewhere, they are.
I believe that GM -- going back years ago -- made the decision
to ride the SUV wave for as long as they could, THEN close
up shop in the states & move manufacturing to third-world
countries.
They had always planned to do so, it was only a matter of
squeezing out that last bit of profit from the capital investment
they had already made in the United States.
Who would have believed that the SUV craze would last as
long as it did? Nobody. Certainly not after 9/11. And what
about all through 2002, with the build up to war in Iraq?
You've heard of Iraq, right? The country with the second
largest proven reserves of crude oil?
At least that was true until 2004, when the Bush administration
claimed that it looked behind a tree in Canada and found more
than 170 billion barrels in additional reserves... making Canada
the nation with the second highest "Proven" reserves.(*)
Anyhow, back in 2002, the U.S. started the build up towards
an invasion of the country with the second highest proven
reserves, and the lowest per-barrel production cost. At the
very least, the Iraq invasion was going to remove some
2 million barrels EACH DAY from the world's oil market.
You can't do that without sending shivers through the spine
of the auto industry.
(*) Costs more than $30 per barrel just to get it out of the ground,
as opposed to the <$2 per barrel for Iraqi oil.
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22 Nov 2005 01:13:29 AM |
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osprey lied:
If
"One last note: I am very surprised at your reaction especially after
just a few short months ago I provided a copy of my DD214 Right in
box 18...1st line it says... SERVED 2 AUG 90 TO 1 OCT 94 IN SUPPORT
OF OPERATION DESERT SHIELD/STORM and in box 13 NATIONAL DEFENSE SERVICE
MEDAL Funny how you have selective memory, why? Yes, I served in combat
during Desert Storm."
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.abortion/msg/38f5de5691243868?dmode=source&hl=en
"Fine, if you want to play on words...no I was not in actual "combat" "
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/db12fe6b6ec66a35?dmode=source&hl=en
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| Title: Re: More On Bush's Economy! |
22 Nov 2005 05:44:42 AM |
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And you're a loser mimi..... Get a life.
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| User: "Johnny" |
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| Title: Re: More On Bush's Economy! |
21 Nov 2005 02:22:44 PM |
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"George" <ggains@waddfr.edu> wrote in message
news:2005112112150516807%ggains@waddfredu...
http://money.cnn.com/2005/11/21/news/fortune500/gm_cuts/index.htm?cnn=yes
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) - General Motors Corp. said Monday it would cut
30,000 hourly jobs and close or scale back operations at about a dozen
U.S. and Canadian plants in a bid to save $7 billion a year and halt huge
losses in its core North American auto operations.
When oil goes too high gas guzzlers take a big hit.
Remember the 70s.
Also, remember how the oil embargo was after Roe V Wade.
You want peace and stability? Killing babies needs to take a back seat.
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