Science > Abortion > More Sound of Trumpet Christian Morality: Church-Going Christian Helps BF RAPE 15 YO Daughter
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"Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass" |
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28 Jun 2006 01:42:00 AM |
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More Sound of Trumpet Christian Morality: Church-Going Christian Helps BF RAPE 15 YO Daughter |
Yet more of that vaunted Christian family value!
http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/135381
A 36-year-old Tucson man who kept his daughter locked up for more than
a year so he could sexually abuse her will be locked away himself for
101 years.
His girlfriend received a four-year sentence for her part in the
girl's ordeal.
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She pointed out the woman has a lot of family support and before her
arrest had no criminal history, was heavily involved in her church
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -2521 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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"Ahhhhhh, yessssssss, ummmmmmm - Alito, Alito, Alito"
-duke (duckgumbo@cox.net), aka PedophilEarl J Weber, 59
year old mateless, heirless biological failure
of Afton Oaks Apartment, Baton Rouge,who pussied
out of the Vietnam draft, showing his gay side
despite his avowed anti-gay bigotry
Contact duke's priest and ask
him why duke is such a racist:
http://www.stpatrickbr.org/
Father Gerard "Jerry" Martin
stpatrickbr<AT>bellsouth<DOT>net
Saint Patrick Catholic Church
12424 Brogdon Lane
Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70816
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| Title: Re: More Sound of Trumpet Christian Morality: Church-Going Christian Helps BF RAPE 15 YO Daughter |
28 Jun 2006 08:49:53 AM |
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"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
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Yet more of that vaunted Christian family value!
Please provide a cite for such.
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: More Sound of Trumpet Christian Morality: Church-Going Christian Helps BF RAPE 15 YO Daughter |
28 Jun 2006 09:08:12 AM |
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in news:2Ovog.33258$EX2.1195
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"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
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Yet more of that vaunted Christian family value!
Please provide a cite for such.
He did.
http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/135381
--
Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
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| User: "Johnny" |
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28 Jun 2006 09:33:58 AM |
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"Enkidu" <ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in news:2Ovog.33258$EX2.1195
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"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
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Yet more of that vaunted Christian family value!
Please provide a cite for such.
He did.
http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/135381
I didn't see much that would qualify as an example of what he typed.
You anti-Christians are liars.
It is a known fact.
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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28 Jun 2006 10:00:37 AM |
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
"Enkidu" <ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in news:2Ovog.33258$EX2.1195
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"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
news:cn84a2huoq1en0cr61ruag1entfl47c9l2@4ax.com...
Yet more of that vaunted Christian family value!
Please provide a cite for such.
He did.
http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/135381
I didn't see much that would qualify as an example of what he typed.
You don't see anything the voices in your head don't command you to see,
Wentzky.
You anti-Christians are liars. It is a known fact.
In other words, it's your random-access memory.
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Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Milwaukee 4, Houston 2 (May 9)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, October 7 vs. TBA, 7:35
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass" |
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28 Jun 2006 09:37:24 AM |
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On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 10:33:58 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
wrote:
"Enkidu" <ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in news:2Ovog.33258$EX2.1195
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"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
news:cn84a2huoq1en0cr61ruag1entfl47c9l2@4ax.com...
Yet more of that vaunted Christian family value!
Please provide a cite for such.
He did.
http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/135381
I didn't see much that would qualify as an example of what he typed.
That's becuase you're a dishonest git.
http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/135381
His girlfriend received a four-year SENTENCE for her part in the
girl's ordeal.
....
She pointed out the woman has a lot of family support and before her
arrest had no criminal history, was heavily involved in her CHURCH
-----
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -2521 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
-----
"Ahhhhhh, yessssssss, ummmmmmm - Alito, Alito, Alito"
-duke (duckgumbo@cox.net), aka PedophilEarl J Weber, 59
year old mateless, heirless biological failure
of Afton Oaks Apartment, Baton Rouge,who pussied
out of the Vietnam draft, showing his gay side
despite his avowed anti-gay bigotry
Contact duke's priest and ask
him why duke is such a racist:
http://www.stpatrickbr.org/
Father Gerard "Jerry" Martin
stpatrickbr<AT>bellsouth<DOT>net
Saint Patrick Catholic Church
12424 Brogdon Lane
Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70816
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| User: "Johnny" |
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| Title: Re: More Sound of Trumpet Christian Morality: Church-Going Christian Helps BF RAPE 15 YO Daughter |
28 Jun 2006 01:41:59 PM |
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"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 10:33:58 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
wrote:
"Enkidu" <ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in news:2Ovog.33258$EX2.1195
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"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
news:cn84a2huoq1en0cr61ruag1entfl47c9l2@4ax.com...
Yet more of that vaunted Christian family value!
Please provide a cite for such.
He did.
http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/135381
I didn't see much that would qualify as an example of what he typed.
That's becuase you're a dishonest git.
Wrong.
http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/135381
His girlfriend received a four-year SENTENCE for her part in the
girl's ordeal.
Read the law then.
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She pointed out the woman has a lot of family support and before her
arrest had no criminal history, was heavily involved in her CHURCH
Which really is irrelevant to the case.
I see you as someone who is constantly trying to attack Christianity.
You are gay, right?
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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28 Jun 2006 05:04:31 PM |
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in news:U3Aog.9440$Ud4.3046
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[snip]
Which really is irrelevant to the case.
I see you as someone who is constantly trying to attack Christianity.
You are gay, right?
How would this prove your God exists?
--
Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
My dog was first in his class at Harvard Divinity School.
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| User: "Johnny" |
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28 Jun 2006 05:38:12 PM |
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"Enkidu" <ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in news:U3Aog.9440$Ud4.3046
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[snip]
Which really is irrelevant to the case.
I see you as someone who is constantly trying to attack Christianity.
You are gay, right?
How would this prove your God exists?
How is your question relevant to Yang's slander of Christianity?
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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28 Jun 2006 06:37:45 PM |
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in news:nxDog.16198$7K2.15581
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"Enkidu" <ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in news:U3Aog.9440$Ud4.3046
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[snip]
Which really is irrelevant to the case.
I see you as someone who is constantly trying to attack Christianity.
You are gay, right?
How would this prove your God exists?
How is your question relevant to Yang's slander of Christianity?
It's only slander if it's false. So, prove to me that being Christian
makes one behave ethically, because Yang have given quite a few counter
examples.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier -- so
long as I'm the dictator.
--George W. Bush, Dec. 19, 2000
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| User: "Johnny" |
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28 Jun 2006 06:50:37 PM |
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"Enkidu" <ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> wrote in message
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"Enkidu" <ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> wrote in message
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[snip]
Which really is irrelevant to the case.
I see you as someone who is constantly trying to attack Christianity.
You are gay, right?
How would this prove your God exists?
How is your question relevant to Yang's slander of Christianity?
It's only slander if it's false.
Are you so sure?
The manner in which he presents the information is slanderous to
Christianity itself.
He seems to be incapable of separating the crime from the act.
His attack is upon something which is not guilty.
So, prove to me that being Christian
makes one behave ethically,
More demands?
because Yang have given quite a few counter
examples.
I see you are also incapable of separating idealogies from behaviors.
What makes you think it was Christianity that taught this woman to
participate in what was alleged to have occurred in this case?
Care to cite the passage in Christianity that directs Christians to behave
in this manner?
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28 Jun 2006 10:13:46 PM |
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in
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"Enkidu" <ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in
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[snip]
Which really is irrelevant to the case.
I see you as someone who is constantly trying to attack
Christianity. You are gay, right?
How would this prove your God exists?
How is your question relevant to Yang's slander of Christianity?
It's only slander if it's false.
Are you so sure?
The manner in which he presents the information is slanderous to
Christianity itself.
He seems to be incapable of separating the crime from the act.
His attack is upon something which is not guilty.
So, prove to me that being Christian
makes one behave ethically,
More demands?
because Yang have given quite a few counter
examples.
I see you are also incapable of separating idealogies from behaviors.
What makes you think it was Christianity that taught this woman to
participate in what was alleged to have occurred in this case?
Care to cite the passage in Christianity that directs Christians to
behave in this manner?
I never claimed Christianity makes people commit evil acts, only that it
does not prevent them from committing these acts. Christians are the
ones who claim that Christians have a superior moral code and are more
moral people. Yang has clearly shown that Christans can and do commit
evil acts, that being Christians doea not make them better people, at
least in these very numerous cases.
You claim that believing in God and the Bible leads to moral behavion.
Show us.
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Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
As a set of cognitive beliefs, religion is a speculative hypothesis of an
extremely low order of probability.
-- Sidney Hook, The Partisan Review, March 1950
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| User: "Johnny" |
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29 Jun 2006 07:55:39 AM |
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"Enkidu" <ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> wrote in message
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[snip]
Which really is irrelevant to the case.
I see you as someone who is constantly trying to attack
Christianity. You are gay, right?
How would this prove your God exists?
How is your question relevant to Yang's slander of Christianity?
It's only slander if it's false.
Are you so sure?
The manner in which he presents the information is slanderous to
Christianity itself.
He seems to be incapable of separating the crime from the act.
His attack is upon something which is not guilty.
So, prove to me that being Christian
makes one behave ethically,
More demands?
because Yang have given quite a few counter
examples.
I see you are also incapable of separating idealogies from behaviors.
What makes you think it was Christianity that taught this woman to
participate in what was alleged to have occurred in this case?
Care to cite the passage in Christianity that directs Christians to
behave in this manner?
I never claimed Christianity makes people commit evil acts,
So, why do you act as if it does?
only that it
does not prevent them from committing these acts.
Got those cites to show the Christian teachings that say to perform evil
acts?
Christians are the ones who claim that Christians have a superior moral
code and are more
moral people.
Got cites for that assertion?
Yang has clearly shown that Christans can and do commit
evil acts,
Which does nothing to make Christianity itself guilty.
that being Christians doea not make them better people, at
least in these very numerous cases.
Very numerous?
I see your and Yang's slander as nothing more than an attempt to attack
Christianity.
You claim that believing in God and the Bible leads to moral behavion.
Show us.
Why are you asking me to show you?
All you seem to be concerned with is attacking Christianity.
I thought what you wanted was references to Christians who did something you
consider to be wrong.
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29 Jun 2006 06:59:47 PM |
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Johnny wrote:
Got those cites to show the Christian teachings that say to perform evil
acts?
Ouch. Did you *really* want to open that can of worms?
Considering how much of your bible is devoted to
describing your god directing his faithful to commit
genocide, slave-taking, adultery, discrimination and
all manner of other evils?
--
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Firelock on DALNet
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29 Jun 2006 07:26:21 PM |
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<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:
Got those cites to show the Christian teachings that say to perform evil
acts?
Ouch. Did you *really* want to open that can of worms?
Considering how much of your bible is devoted to
describing your god directing his faithful to commit
genocide, slave-taking, adultery, discrimination and
all manner of other evils?
You referring to Old Testament cites from Exodus and on to Canaan?
I do notice the proclivity of those who are so quick to dig up such things
in an attempt to stain Christianity.
Maybe you never read about the bondage to the Egyptians before, which
preceded the Exodus.
Maybe you don't know the reasons that all those 'evils' were performed.
--
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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| User: "Pr0r3p" |
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29 Jun 2006 09:57:30 PM |
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Johnny wrote:
<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:
Got those cites to show the Christian teachings that say to perform evil
acts?
Ouch. Did you *really* want to open that can of worms?
Considering how much of your bible is devoted to
describing your god directing his faithful to commit
genocide, slave-taking, adultery, discrimination and
all manner of other evils?
You referring to Old Testament cites from Exodus and on to Canaan?
So what, did you God command his people to do those things?
I do notice the proclivity of those who are so quick to dig up such things
in an attempt to stain Christianity.
Blah blah blah. What Johnny now make excuses about what God command
his people to do.
Maybe you never read about the bondage to the Egyptians before, which
preceded the Exodus.
Maybe you don't know the reasons that all those 'evils' were performed.
Ahhh, the old "eye for an eye" thing. So much for turning the other
cheek and loving your enemy. Christian whackos like Johnny get the
panties in a knot whenever you slap them with their hypocrisy.
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Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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30 Jun 2006 09:30:43 AM |
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"Pr0r3p" <pr0r3p@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:
<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1151625587.184162.283380@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Johnny wrote:
Got those cites to show the Christian teachings that say to perform
evil
acts?
Ouch. Did you *really* want to open that can of worms?
Considering how much of your bible is devoted to
describing your god directing his faithful to commit
genocide, slave-taking, adultery, discrimination and
all manner of other evils?
You referring to Old Testament cites from Exodus and on to Canaan?
So what, did you God command his people to do those things?
I do notice the proclivity of those who are so quick to dig up such
things
in an attempt to stain Christianity.
Blah blah blah. What Johnny now make excuses about what God command
his people to do.
Maybe you never read about the bondage to the Egyptians before, which
preceded the Exodus.
Maybe you don't know the reasons that all those 'evils' were performed.
Ahhh, the old "eye for an eye" thing. So much for turning the other
cheek and loving your enemy. Christian whackos like Johnny get the
panties in a knot whenever you slap them with their hypocrisy.
What hypocrisy?
--
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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30 Jun 2006 09:03:05 AM |
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Pr0r3p wrote:
Johnny wrote:
<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1151625587.184162.283380@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Johnny wrote:
Got those cites to show the Christian teachings that say to perform evil
acts?
Ouch. Did you *really* want to open that can of worms?
Considering how much of your bible is devoted to
describing your god directing his faithful to commit
genocide, slave-taking, adultery, discrimination and
all manner of other evils?
You referring to Old Testament cites from Exodus and on to Canaan?
So what, did you God command his people to do those things?
I do notice the proclivity of those who are so quick to dig up such things
in an attempt to stain Christianity.
Blah blah blah. What Johnny now make excuses about what God command
his people to do.
Maybe you never read about the bondage to the Egyptians before, which
preceded the Exodus.
Maybe you don't know the reasons that all those 'evils' were performed.
Ahhh, the old "eye for an eye" thing. So much for turning the other
cheek and loving your enemy.
"Eye for an eye" doesn't even cover this - the victims of the
post-Exodus genocidal campaigns weren't Egyptians. Come
to think of it, even if the campaigns *had* been against the
Egyptians, you can't mark them up for vengeance - their god
put a whammy on the pharoah, mind controlled him so he
wouldn't give the Israelites their freedom (Exodus 7:3), so
the only critter the Israelites had a beef with at the end was
their god.
--
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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30 Jun 2006 08:57:23 AM |
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Johnny wrote:
<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:
Got those cites to show the Christian teachings that say to perform evil
acts?
Ouch. Did you *really* want to open that can of worms?
Considering how much of your bible is devoted to
describing your god directing his faithful to commit
genocide, slave-taking, adultery, discrimination and
all manner of other evils?
You referring to Old Testament cites from Exodus and on to Canaan?
Sure, why not? There's plenty in the New Testament as well.
Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father,
and mother, and wife, and children,and brethren, and sisters,
yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
Luke 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should
reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
I do notice the proclivity of those who are so quick to dig up such things
in an attempt to stain Christianity.
Is it in your Bible or isn't it?
Maybe you never read about the bondage to the Egyptians before, which
preceded the Exodus.
Note that none of the victims of these genocidal campaigns were
Egyptians.
Maybe you don't know the reasons that all those 'evils' were performed.
Enlighten me. Please, it will tell us so much about you to
hear how you justify slavery, slaughter and such.
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Johnny wrote:
<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:
Got those cites to show the Christian teachings that say to perform
evil
acts?
Ouch. Did you *really* want to open that can of worms?
Considering how much of your bible is devoted to
describing your god directing his faithful to commit
genocide, slave-taking, adultery, discrimination and
all manner of other evils?
You referring to Old Testament cites from Exodus and on to Canaan?
Sure, why not? There's plenty in the New Testament as well.
Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father,
and mother, and wife, and children,and brethren, and sisters,
yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
Luke 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should
reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
I do notice the proclivity of those who are so quick to dig up such
things
in an attempt to stain Christianity.
Is it in your Bible or isn't it?
Maybe you never read about the bondage to the Egyptians before, which
preceded the Exodus.
Note that none of the victims of these genocidal campaigns were
Egyptians.
Maybe you don't know the reasons that all those 'evils' were performed.
Enlighten me. Please, it will tell us so much about you to
hear how you justify slavery, slaughter and such.
Where was adultery mentioned as acceptable in Israel?
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30 Jun 2006 09:41:51 AM |
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Johnny wrote:
<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:
Maybe you don't know the reasons that all those 'evils' were performed.
Enlighten me. Please, it will tell us so much about you to
hear how you justify slavery, slaughter and such.
Where was adultery mentioned as acceptable in Israel?
So you've given up on trying to justify slavery and genocide?
Check out
http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2006/06/bibles-war-on-marriage.html,
if you're really curious about adultery.
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30 Jun 2006 10:15:38 AM |
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<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:
<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:
Maybe you don't know the reasons that all those 'evils' were
performed.
Enlighten me. Please, it will tell us so much about you to
hear how you justify slavery, slaughter and such.
Where was adultery mentioned as acceptable in Israel?
So you've given up on trying to justify slavery and genocide?
??????? What makes you think I am concerned with the past so much?
Check out
http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2006/06/bibles-war-on-marriage.html,
if you're really curious about adultery.
I read there.
Where was adultery mentioned?
That was dealing with marriage.
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30 Jun 2006 02:28:52 PM |
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Johnny wrote:
<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:
<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:
Maybe you don't know the reasons that all those 'evils' were
performed.
Enlighten me. Please, it will tell us so much about you to
hear how you justify slavery, slaughter and such.
Where was adultery mentioned as acceptable in Israel?
So you've given up on trying to justify slavery and genocide?
??????? What makes you think I am concerned with the past so much?
You're the one basing his morality around the collected
myths of stone-age shepherds. Is what is written in your
bible important to you or not?
Check out
http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2006/06/bibles-war-on-marriage.html,
if you're really curious about adultery.
I read there.
Where was adultery mentioned?
That was dealing with marriage.
Take a look at the section titled "Encourage Adultery".
Then there's the bits on polygamy, but you apparently
don't have any problem with that.
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30 Jun 2006 03:54:41 PM |
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<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:
<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:
<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1151675843.611774.210780@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
Johnny wrote:
Maybe you don't know the reasons that all those 'evils' were
performed.
Enlighten me. Please, it will tell us so much about you to
hear how you justify slavery, slaughter and such.
Where was adultery mentioned as acceptable in Israel?
So you've given up on trying to justify slavery and genocide?
??????? What makes you think I am concerned with the past so much?
You're the one basing his morality around the collected
myths
Myths? Why do you tend to act as if what you call a myth is so real?
of stone-age shepherds. Is what is written in your
bible important to you or not?
Of course it is important, but I do live in the year 2006.
I do not know why you are so concerned about the early days of Israelites'
freedom from captivity and their subsequent taking over of lands that were
occupied by persons who were considered worthy of death by Israel's own
laws.
Now, if David killing Goliath also pisses you off, maybe you should read the
Bible and learn what really does ***** people off and learn how to stop
pissing people off.
fair enough?
Check out
http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2006/06/bibles-war-on-marriage.html,
if you're really curious about adultery.
I read there.
Where was adultery mentioned?
That was dealing with marriage.
Take a look at the section titled "Encourage Adultery".
Then there's the bits on polygamy, but you apparently
don't have any problem with that.
How is polygamy adultery?And, how did Hosea commit adultery by what he did?
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30 Jun 2006 04:03:13 PM |
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Johnny wrote:
<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:
<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1151678511.042870.28440@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
Johnny wrote:
<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1151675843.611774.210780@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
Johnny wrote:
Maybe you don't know the reasons that all those 'evils' were
performed.
Enlighten me. Please, it will tell us so much about you to
hear how you justify slavery, slaughter and such.
Where was adultery mentioned as acceptable in Israel?
So you've given up on trying to justify slavery and genocide?
??????? What makes you think I am concerned with the past so much?
You're the one basing his morality around the collected
myths
Myths? Why do you tend to act as if what you call a myth is so real?
I act as if *you* and your ilk believe the myth is real. Major
difference there.
of stone-age shepherds. Is what is written in your
bible important to you or not?
Of course it is important, but I do live in the year 2006.
Would you like some lettuce with your christianity?
I do not know why you are so concerned about the early days of Israelites'
freedom from captivity and their subsequent taking over of lands that were
occupied by persons who were considered worthy of death by Israel's own
laws.
Now, if David killing Goliath also pisses you off, maybe you should read the
Bible and learn what really does ***** people off and learn how to stop
pissing people off.
fair enough?
Have you actually read your bible? The Canaanites weren't
killed because they did anything wrong, they were killed
because your god said so.
Check out
http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2006/06/bibles-war-on-marriage.html,
if you're really curious about adultery.
I read there.
Where was adultery mentioned?
That was dealing with marriage.
Take a look at the section titled "Encourage Adultery".
Then there's the bits on polygamy, but you apparently
don't have any problem with that.
How is polygamy adultery?And, how did Hosea commit adultery by what he did?
He was told to go and marry an adultress.
How do you feel about Lot's daughters? Or the way Noah
treated Ham?
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01 Jul 2006 11:00:03 AM |
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<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:
<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:
<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:
<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1151675843.611774.210780@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
Johnny wrote:
Maybe you don't know the reasons that all those 'evils' were
performed.
Enlighten me. Please, it will tell us so much about you to
hear how you justify slavery, slaughter and such.
Where was adultery mentioned as acceptable in Israel?
So you've given up on trying to justify slavery and genocide?
??????? What makes you think I am concerned with the past so much?
You're the one basing his morality around the collected
myths
Myths? Why do you tend to act as if what you call a myth is so real?
I act as if *you* and your ilk believe the myth is real. Major
difference there.
Nah. If you want me to justify something to you then you won't get anything
if you contend it is a myth; for, no one is obligated to prove to you
anything that you yourself contend is a myth.
of stone-age shepherds. Is what is written in your
bible important to you or not?
Of course it is important, but I do live in the year 2006.
Would you like some lettuce with your christianity?
What?
I do not know why you are so concerned about the early days of
Israelites'
freedom from captivity and their subsequent taking over of lands that
were
occupied by persons who were considered worthy of death by Israel's own
laws.
Now, if David killing Goliath also pisses you off, maybe you should read
the
Bible and learn what really does ***** people off and learn how to stop
pissing people off.
fair enough?
Have you actually read your bible?
Yes.
The Canaanites weren't
killed because they did anything wrong, they were killed
because your god said so.
Give me a break. What makes you think God would have ordered such on a
people if those people did not deserve what happened to them?
Check out
http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2006/06/bibles-war-on-marriage.html,
if you're really curious about adultery.
I read there.
Where was adultery mentioned?
That was dealing with marriage.
Take a look at the section titled "Encourage Adultery".
Then there's the bits on polygamy, but you apparently
don't have any problem with that.
How is polygamy adultery?And, how did Hosea commit adultery by what he
did?
He was told to go and marry an adultress.
Where did it say marry in that part?
It said "Then said the LORD unto me, Go yet, love a woman beloved of her
friend, yet an adulteress.... "
Where did it say marry?
How do you feel about Lot's daughters?
They were obeying "be fruitful and multiply"; and, there were no men other
than their father around at the time.
It was a necessary thing they did to conceive children.
Or the way Noah
treated Ham?
Ham saw Noah's nakedness, and Noah cursed him for that.
What do I make of that?
Who knows?
Wasn't Noah drunk at the time?
What if Ham was lazy and/or he was being a voyeur, or nosey spy, while his
brothers were working?
What if he didn't knock before entering, etc.
Why else would Noah have become angry at Ham?
I guess Noah got pissed and cursed Ham to be the servant of Shem and
Japheth.
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01 Jul 2006 11:11:49 AM |
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In article <WWwpg.4016$Oc5.3866@bignews4.bellsouth.net>, Johnny
<wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote:
<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:
<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:
<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:
<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:
Maybe you don't know the reasons that all those 'evils' were
performed.
Enlighten me. Please, it will tell us so much about you to
hear how you justify slavery, slaughter and such.
Where was adultery mentioned as acceptable in Israel?
So you've given up on trying to justify slavery and genocide?
??????? What makes you think I am concerned with the past so much?
You're the one basing his morality around the collected
myths
Myths? Why do you tend to act as if what you call a myth is so real?
I act as if *you* and your ilk believe the myth is real. Major
difference there.
Nah. If you want me to justify something to you then you won't get anything
if you contend it is a myth; for, no one is obligated to prove to you
anything that you yourself contend is a myth.
LOL! Is that Johnny's thinking? He will only justify things if you
first admit he is right.
People like Johnny make Osprey look reasonable.
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01 Jul 2006 02:24:20 PM |
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In article <010720060911497979%dbarnes@aol.com>,
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote:
People like Johnny make Osprey look reasonable.
no they don't. people like johnny, billy, winn are insane and are
accordingly cut some slack.
osprey is malovelant, as well as the abortion newsgroups most
prolific liar.
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02 Jul 2006 10:03:11 PM |
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Johnny wrote:
<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:
<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1151695732.463944.35390@d30g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Johnny wrote:
<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1151678511.042870.28440@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
Johnny wrote:
<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1151675843.611774.210780@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
Johnny wrote:
Maybe you don't know the reasons that all those 'evils' were
performed.
Enlighten me. Please, it will tell us so much about you to
hear how you justify slavery, slaughter and such.
Where was adultery mentioned as acceptable in Israel?
So you've given up on trying to justify slavery and genocide?
??????? What makes you think I am concerned with the past so much?
You're the one basing his morality around the collected
myths
Myths? Why do you tend to act as if what you call a myth is so real?
I act as if *you* and your ilk believe the myth is real. Major
difference there.
Nah. If you want me to justify something to you then you won't get anything
if you contend it is a myth; for, no one is obligated to prove to you
anything that you yourself contend is a myth.
You and yours want to arrange the world in accordance
with your myth being real - that makes your understanding
of your myth relevant. You've been either taught around
your myth's inconsistencies or brainwashed through them,
I'd like to find out which.
of stone-age shepherds. Is what is written in your
bible important to you or not?
Of course it is important, but I do live in the year 2006.
Would you like some lettuce with your christianity?
What?
It refers to the likelihood that you are what is known as
a "salad bar christian". Look it up.
I do not know why you are so concerned about the early days of
Israelites'
freedom from captivity and their subsequent taking over of lands that
were
occupied by persons who were considered worthy of death by Israel's own
laws.
Now, if David killing Goliath also pisses you off, maybe you should read
the
Bible and learn what really does ***** people off and learn how to stop
pissing people off.
fair enough?
Have you actually read your bible?
Yes.
Read it, or had highlights of it fed to you?
The Canaanites weren't
killed because they did anything wrong, they were killed
because your god said so.
Give me a break. What makes you think God would have ordered such on a
people if those people did not deserve what happened to them?
The only reason they "deserved it" was "your god said so". Note
that your entire religion is based on "your god said so". Some
of the things your god said, if a real human being had said them,
we'd call that human being a monster.
Show me that you've read your bible. Identify for me what
things the Canaanites did that deserved genocide. So far,
all you've got it "god said they were bad, so they must
have been", and that's the words of a sheep.
Check out
http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2006/06/bibles-war-on-marriage.html,
if you're really curious about adultery.
I read there.
Where was adultery mentioned?
That was dealing with marriage.
Take a look at the section titled "Encourage Adultery".
Then there's the bits on polygamy, but you apparently
don't have any problem with that.
How is polygamy adultery?And, how did Hosea commit adultery by what he
did?
He was told to go and marry an adultress.
Where did it say marry in that part?
It said "Then said the LORD unto me, Go yet, love a woman beloved of her
friend, yet an adulteress.... "
Where did it say marry?
Dodge and weave, Johnny, dodge and weave. Check Hosea 1:2.
How do you feel about Lot's daughters?
They were obeying "be fruitful and multiply"; and, there were no men other
than their father around at the time.
It was a necessary thing they did to conceive children.
Following your god's commands trumps all. Interesting.
If your god told you to kill your son, would you? I recommend
you read your bible (esp. Genesis 22) before you answer.
Or the way Noah
treated Ham?
Ham saw Noah's nakedness, and Noah cursed him for that.
What do I make of that?
Who knows?
Wasn't Noah drunk at the time?
What if Ham was lazy and/or he was being a voyeur, or nosey spy, while his
brothers were working?
What if he didn't knock before entering, etc.
Why else would Noah have become angry at Ham?
I guess Noah got pissed and cursed Ham to be the servant of Shem and
Japheth.
I didn't ask you *what* happened - I asked you *how you
felt about it*. Noah is described as a true and righteous
man, if you want to be true and righteous should you
treat people the way Noah treated his own son? What
message do you take away from these passages?
What about what Elisha did to the children of Bethel?
How does contemplating that biblical event inform
your moral decision-making?
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03 Jul 2006 09:55:13 AM |
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<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:
<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:
<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:
<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:
<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:
Maybe you don't know the reasons that all those 'evils' were
performed.
Enlighten me. Please, it will tell us so much about you to
hear how you justify slavery, slaughter and such.
Where was adultery mentioned as acceptable in Israel?
So you've given up on trying to justify slavery and genocide?
??????? What makes you think I am concerned with the past so much?
You're the one basing his morality around the collected
myths
Myths? Why do you tend to act as if what you call a myth is so real?
I act as if *you* and your ilk believe the myth is real. Major
difference there.
Nah. If you want me to justify something to you then you won't get
anything
if you contend it is a myth; for, no one is obligated to prove to you
anything that you yourself contend is a myth.
You and yours want to arrange the world in accordance
with your myth being real
Myth?
If it is a myth to you you deserve no proof.
- that makes your understanding
of your myth relevant. You've been either taught around
your myth's inconsistencies or brainwashed through them,
I'd like to find out which.
of stone-age shepherds. Is what is written in your
bible important to you or not?
Of course it is important, but I do live in the year 2006.
Would you like some lettuce with your christianity?
What?
It refers to the likelihood that you are what is known as
a "salad bar christian". Look it up.
You don't like salad?
Are you telling me that Athiests don't like salad?
I do not know why you are so concerned about the early days of
Israelites'
freedom from captivity and their subsequent taking over of lands that
were
occupied by persons who were considered worthy of death by Israel's
own
laws.
Now, if David killing Goliath also pisses you off, maybe you should
read
the
Bible and learn what really does ***** people off and learn how to stop
pissing people off.
fair enough?
Have you actually read your bible?
Yes.
Read it, or had highlights of it fed to you?
Do you normally ask the same question twice after getting an answer even if
you are rephrasing your question?
The Canaanites weren't
killed because they did anything wrong, they were killed
because your god said so.
Give me a break. What makes you think God would have ordered such on a
people if those people did not deserve what happened to them?
The only reason they "deserved it" was "your god said so".
Wanna read those passages again and any supporting documentation in there
about the Amalekites and Hittites, etc.
Note
that your entire religion is based on "your god said so".
What you got to say about 'worked for they who obeyed'?
Some
of the things your god said, if a real human being had said them,
we'd call that human being a monster.
Who woulda called that person a monster?
Wimps?
Adulterers?
Faggots?
Show me that you've read your bible. Identify for me what
things the Canaanites did that deserved genocide.
So, if you know then why are you asking me?
So far,
all you've got it "god said they were bad, so they must
have been", and that's the words of a sheep.
You think you are quoting me there?
Check out
http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2006/06/bibles-war-on-marriage.html,
if you're really curious about adultery.
I read there.
Where was adultery mentioned?
That was dealing with marriage.
Take a look at the section titled "Encourage Adultery".
Then there's the bits on polygamy, but you apparently
don't have any problem with that.
How is polygamy adultery?And, how did Hosea commit adultery by what he
did?
He was told to go and marry an adultress.
Where did it say marry in that part?
It said "Then said the LORD unto me, Go yet, love a woman beloved of her
friend, yet an adulteress.... "
Where did it say marry?
Dodge and weave, Johnny, dodge and weave. Check Hosea 1:2.
Does it say marry?
In 1:2 it said something about a daughter of whoredoms, right?
Where did I dodge?
Where does it say marry?
How do you feel about Lot's daughters?
They were obeying "be fruitful and multiply"; and, there were no men
other
than their father around at the time.
It was a necessary thing they did to conceive children.
Following your god's commands trumps all. Interesting.
If your god told you to kill your son, would you? I recommend
you read your bible (esp. Genesis 22) before you answer.
Why are you so testy?
When you ask from such ignorance you sure show me why you have little faith.
Maybe if you really understood life and love you would understand something
about why things happen as they did in the Bible.
Or the way Noah
treated Ham?
Ham saw Noah's nakedness, and Noah cursed him for that.
What do I make of that?
Who knows?
Wasn't Noah drunk at the time?
What if Ham was lazy and/or he was being a voyeur, or nosey spy, while
his
brothers were working?
What if he didn't knock before entering, etc.
Why else would Noah have become angry at Ham?
I guess Noah got pissed and cursed Ham to be the servant of Shem and
Japheth.
I didn't ask you *what* happened - I asked you *how you
felt about it*.
Why should I feel about it?
Knowing is better than feeling.
Noah is described as a true and righteous
man, if you want to be true and righteous should you
treat people the way Noah treated his own son? What
message do you take away from these passages?
What about what Elisha did to the children of Bethel?
How does contemplating that biblical event inform
your moral decision-making?
A better question is how should you treat people who can destroy you or your
children.
--
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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Johnny wrote:
Maybe you don't know the reasons that all those 'evils' were
performed.
Enlighten me. Please, it will tell us so much about you to
hear how you justify slavery, slaughter and such.
Where was adultery mentioned as acceptable in Israel?
So you've given up on trying to justify slavery and genocide?
??????? What makes you think I am concerned with the past so much?
You're the one basing his morality around the collected
myths
Myths? Why do you tend to act as if what you call a myth is so real?
I act as if *you* and your ilk believe the myth is real. Major
difference there.
Nah. If you want me to justify something to you then you won't get
anything
if you contend it is a myth; for, no one is obligated to prove to you
anything that you yourself contend is a myth.
You and yours want to arrange the world in accordance
with your myth being real
Myth?
If it is a myth to you you deserve no proof.
"Deservin's got nothing to do with it." - William Munney, _Unforgiven_
You're the one who wants the rest of the world to treat
your myth as true. That puts it in your court to explain
your belief as you understand it. If you don't want to,
then all you have to do is stop responding - there are
literally thousands of other things you could be doing
with your time.
- that makes your understanding
of your myth relevant. You've been either taught around
your myth's inconsistencies or brainwashed through them,
I'd like to find out which.
of stone-age shepherds. Is what is written in your
bible important to you or not?
Of course it is important, but I do live in the year 2006.
Would you like some lettuce with your christianity?
What?
It refers to the likelihood that you are what is known as
a "salad bar christian". Look it up.
You don't like salad?
Are you telling me that Athiests don't like salad?
"Salad bar christian". Look it up.
I do not know why you are so concerned about the early days of
Israelites'
freedom from captivity and their subsequent taking over of lands that
were
occupied by persons who were considered worthy of death by Israel's
own
laws.
Now, if David killing Goliath also pisses you off, maybe you should
read
the
Bible and learn what really does ***** people off and learn how to stop
pissing people off.
fair enough?
Have you actually read your bible?
Yes.
Read it, or had highlights of it fed to you?
Do you normally ask the same question twice after getting an answer even if
you are rephrasing your question?
Normally, no. In this case, your presentation of your belief
to this point has *not* indicated that you have any interest
in the details of your bible. Is this because you have
difficulty expressing your belief? Is this because your
version of the christian belief doesn't stress these
particular details?
The Canaanites weren't
killed because they did anything wrong, they were killed
because your god said so.
Give me a break. What makes you think God would have ordered such on a
people if those people did not deserve what happened to them?
The only reason they "deserved it" was "your god said so".
Wanna read those passages again and any supporting documentation in there
about the Amalekites and Hittites, etc.
Your belief is that these peoples got what they deserved.
I'd like you to demonstrate why you are comfortable with
what happened, why you see what happened to them
as a postive moral lesson.
Note
that your entire religion is based on "your god said so".
What you got to say about 'worked for they who obeyed'?
I don't understand your question. Could you rephrase it?
Some
of the things your god said, if a real human being had said them,
we'd call that human being a monster.
Who woulda called that person a monster?
Wimps?
Adulterers?
Faggots?
Reasonable people. You can hurl all the epithets you
want, it doesn't change the fact that you believe in and
worship a being that is, by your own stories, a mass
murderer.
Show me that you've read your bible. Identify for me what
things the Canaanites did that deserved genocide.
So, if you know then why are you asking me?
Because, so far, you've been making an argument
from authority right down the line - without any
demonstration on your part that you have any
real knowledge of the authority you're calling on.
So far,
all you've got it "god said they were bad, so they must
have been", and that's the words of a sheep.
You think you are quoting me there?
Of course not. Here's a good place for you to show
me how your beliefs differ from "god said they were
bad, so they must have been". Or not, as you choose.
Check out
http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2006/06/bibles-war-on-marriage.html,
if you're really curious about adultery.
I read there.
Where was adultery mentioned?
That was dealing with marriage.
Take a look at the section titled "Encourage Adultery".
Then there's the bits on polygamy, but you apparently
don't have any problem with that.
How is polygamy adultery?And, how did Hosea commit adultery by what he
did?
He was told to go and marry an adultress.
Where did it say marry in that part?
It said "Then said the LORD unto me, Go yet, love a woman beloved of her
friend, yet an adulteress.... "
Where did it say marry?
Dodge and weave, Johnny, dodge and weave. Check Hosea 1:2.
Does it say marry?
In 1:2 it said something about a daughter of whoredoms, right?
Where did I dodge?
Where does it say marry?
Right in the text where is says "take unto thee a wife".
How do you feel about Lot's daughters?
They were obeying "be fruitful and multiply"; and, there were no men
other
than their father around at the time.
It was a necessary thing they did to conceive children.
Following your god's commands trumps all. Interesting.
If your god told you to kill your son, would you? I recommend
you read your bible (esp. Genesis 22) before you answer.
Why are you so testy?
Why are you so reluctant to answer?
When you ask from such ignorance
Enlighten me.
you sure show me why you have little faith.
Faith is your department.
Maybe if you really understood life and love you would understand something
about why things happen as they did in the Bible.
Here's your chance, Johnny. Show me the life and love message
in the bit where your god tells Abraham to cut his son's throat.
Or the way Noah
treated Ham?
Ham saw Noah's nakedness, and Noah cursed him for that.
What do I make of that?
Who knows?
Wasn't Noah drunk at the time?
What if Ham was lazy and/or he was being a voyeur, or nosey spy, while
his
brothers were working?
What if he didn't knock before entering, etc.
Why else would Noah have become angry at Ham?
I guess Noah got pissed and cursed Ham to be the servant of Shem and
Japheth.
I didn't ask you *what* happened - I asked you *how you
felt about it*.
Why should I feel about it?
Knowing is better than feeling.
You've got a lot of emotional investment in your belief. It
is relevant to ask how you feel about particular passages
in the main text that informs your belief. If you don't want
to answer, then don't - your refusal tells me something
about you, you may not like *what* it tells me, but you
might like what your answer would tell me even less.
Noah is described as a true and righteous
man, if you want to be true and righteous should you
treat people the way Noah treated his own son? What
message do you take away from these passages?
What about what Elisha did to the children of Bethel?
How does contemplating that biblical event inform
your moral decision-making?
A better question is how should you treat people who can destroy you or your
children.
In your case, you love and serve such a being, and try to
convince others that the being you love and serve out of
fear is worthy of love and service. Am I incorrect?
--
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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