Louise Mallard wrote:

On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 18:32:03 -0400, Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com>
wrote:

On 27 Aug 2005 13:23:03 -0700, "osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

Ray Fischer wrote:

osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

Ray Fischer wrote:

osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

Ray Fischer wrote:

osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

Ray Fischer wrote:

osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

Gaia wrote:

On 15 Aug 2005 04:49:01 -0700, "osprey"

<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

Are partial-birth abortions

No such procedures.

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Legislators and medical dictionaries disagree with you.

***** Heishman is lying again. There are no such medical
dictionaries.

Fischer is so worried and having to jump in and try to lie he

snipped

out this.. Oh, and he is such a coward he didn't even mark his

snip.

"Partial-birth abortion" is a legal term of art, defined by

Congress as

***** Heishman is trying to distract from his latest screwup.

No news at 11.

***** Fischer as usual, afraid of the evidence presented thinks
that

You lied. You got caught again.

With all that modern medicine has to offer, partial-birth abortions are
not needed to save the life of the mother, and the procedure's impact

Are you now going to claim that you have a medical degree, *****?

Did I say that *****?

Not one of you can prove partial birth abortions are used to save a
woman's life.

Lying again, Mary Anne?
Yes, you are.
Osprey runs from this proof, nothing new there.

"D&X presents a variety of potential safety advantages over other
abortion procedures used during the same gestational period."
- Brief of Amici Curiae American College of Obstreticians and
Gynecologists et. al. in Stenberg v. Carhart, USSC.

"An intact D&X...may be the best or most appropriate procedure in a
particular circumstance TO SAVE THE LIFE OR PRESERVE THE HEALTH OF A
WOMAN, and only the doctor, in consultation with the patient, based
upon the woman's particular circumstances can make this decision. The
potential exists that legislation prohibiting specific medical
practices, such as intact D&X, may outlaw techniques that are critical
to the lives and health of American women."
- ACOG, "Abortion Policy" (emphasis mine, since Mary Anne isn't so
good at reading for content).

"This bill violates a fundamental principle at the very heart of the
doctor-patient relationship: that the doctor, in consultation with the
patient, based on that patient's individual circumstances, must choose
the most appropriate method of care for the patient. The bill removes
decision-making about medical appropriateness from the physician and
patient."
- ACOG, "American College of Obstreticians and Gynecologists on the
Subject of 'Partial-Birth Abortion' Bans."

"The record shows that significant medical authority supports the
proposition that in some circumstances, D&X would be the safest
procedure."
- USSC, Stenberg v. Carhart

"Defendants claim that a D&X could never be necessary to save a
woman's health, but the evidence at trial failed to support that
contention...There are women who cannot undergo an induction or
hysterotomy, and the D&X is either as safe or safer than the D&E for
those women...Therefore, this Court finds that the D&X could be used
to preserve a woman's health and must be available to physicians and
women who want to rely upon it."
- US District Court for the District of Rhode Island, Rhode Island
Medical Society v. Whitehouse.

"The evidence before the Court is that, in some pregnancies, there may
be no alternative procedure that would protect the health of the
mother as effectively as would the D&X procedure."
- US District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia, Richmond
Medical Center for Women v. Gilmore.

Forget it, AdamH.--Bob Heishman doesn't give a damn what facts are
available.

I know that you don't like to ask for sources and verifications...
But if you hadn't noticed, let me point it out.

My comment
"Not one of you can prove partial birth abortions are used to save a
woman's life."

It still stands true, none of you can point out any PBA's that have
been actually used to save a woman's life.

Of course there are going to be some in congress and some medical
professionals that will argue the term and the issue, that doesn't
refute the statements and sources I brought forth on PBA's.

I really liked how you claimed there are no medical dictionary's that
has Partial Birth Abortion and I slammed you with two of them..:o)

Didn't you like that? That was too easy.

Louise Mallard wrote:

On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 18:32:03 -0400, Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com>
wrote:

On 27 Aug 2005 13:23:03 -0700, "osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

Ray Fischer wrote:

osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

Ray Fischer wrote:

osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

Ray Fischer wrote:

osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

Ray Fischer wrote:

osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

Gaia wrote:

On 15 Aug 2005 04:49:01 -0700, "osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

Are partial-birth abortions

No such procedures.

<clip>

Legislators and medical dictionaries disagree with you.

***** Heishman is lying again. There are no such medical
dictionaries.

Fischer is so worried and having to jump in and try to lie he snipped
out this.. Oh, and he is such a coward he didn't even mark his snip.

"Partial-birth abortion" is a legal term of art, defined by Congress as

***** Heishman is trying to distract from his latest screwup.

No news at 11.

***** Fischer as usual, afraid of the evidence presented thinks that

You lied. You got caught again.

With all that modern medicine has to offer, partial-birth abortions are
not needed to save the life of the mother, and the procedure's impact

Are you now going to claim that you have a medical degree, *****?

Did I say that *****?

Not one of you can prove partial birth abortions are used to save a
woman's life.

Lying again, Mary Anne?
Yes, you are.
Osprey runs from this proof, nothing new there.

"D&X presents a variety of potential safety advantages over other
abortion procedures used during the same gestational period."
- Brief of Amici Curiae American College of Obstreticians and
Gynecologists et. al. in Stenberg v. Carhart, USSC.

"An intact D&X...may be the best or most appropriate procedure in a
particular circumstance TO SAVE THE LIFE OR PRESERVE THE HEALTH OF A
WOMAN, and only the doctor, in consultation with the patient, based
upon the woman's particular circumstances can make this decision. The
potential exists that legislation prohibiting specific medical
practices, such as intact D&X, may outlaw techniques that are critical
to the lives and health of American women."
- ACOG, "Abortion Policy" (emphasis mine, since Mary Anne isn't so
good at reading for content).

"This bill violates a fundamental principle at the very heart of the
doctor-patient relationship: that the doctor, in consultation with the
patient, based on that patient's individual circumstances, must choose
the most appropriate method of care for the patient. The bill removes
decision-making about medical appropriateness from the physician and
patient."
- ACOG, "American College of Obstreticians and Gynecologists on the
Subject of 'Partial-Birth Abortion' Bans."

"The record shows that significant medical authority supports the
proposition that in some circumstances, D&X would be the safest
procedure."
- USSC, Stenberg v. Carhart

"Defendants claim that a D&X could never be necessary to save a
woman's health, but the evidence at trial failed to support that
contention...There are women who cannot undergo an induction or
hysterotomy, and the D&X is either as safe or safer than the D&E for
those women...Therefore, this Court finds that the D&X could be used
to preserve a woman's health and must be available to physicians and
women who want to rely upon it."
- US District Court for the District of Rhode Island, Rhode Island
Medical Society v. Whitehouse.

"The evidence before the Court is that, in some pregnancies, there may
be no alternative procedure that would protect the health of the
mother as effectively as would the D&X procedure."
- US District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia, Richmond
Medical Center for Women v. Gilmore.

Forget it, AdamH.--Bob Heishman doesn't give a damn what facts are
available.

I know that you don't like to ask for sources and verifications...
But if you hadn't noticed, let me point it out.

My comment
"Not one of you can prove partial birth abortions are used to save a
woman's life."

It still stands true, none of you can point out any PBA's that have
been actually used to save a woman's life.

Of course there are going to be some in congress and some medical
professionals that will argue the term and the issue, that doesn't
refute the statements and sources I brought forth on PBA's.

I really liked how you claimed there are no medical dictionary's that
has Partial Birth Abortion and I slammed you with two of them..:o)

Didn't you like that? That was too easy.