Science > Abortion > More young doctors oppose abortions on ethical grounds
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"J Young" |
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17 Apr 2007 11:37:42 AM |
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More young doctors oppose abortions on ethical grounds |
Those who kill pre-born babies should be the focus of social scorn.
That these young doctors have conscientious objections' to abortion is
to their credit.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23392808-details/The+abortion+rebellion:+NHS+doctors+refuse+to+carry+out+terminations/article.do
The NHS abortion service is heading for a crisis because increasing
numbers of doctors refuse to carry out terminations, it was claimed.
There has been a big rise in young medics with 'conscientious
objections' to abortion.
The increase has been revealed by the Royal College of Obstetricians
and Gynaecologists.
It says there is evidence of a 'slow but growing problem' of young
doctors opting out of abortion training on moral grounds.
Some senior doctors have blamed declining interest on the lack of
'glamour' involved in the work.
This has been dubbed 'dinner party syndrome' where doctors don't want
to admit to their friends that they do abortions.
In addition, changes to training schedules and reductions in working
hours mean trainee doctors are opting out of a branch of specialist
work that may not enhance their career prospects.
RCOG spokesman Kate Guthrie, who is head of abortion services in Hull,
said: "You get no thanks for performing abortions, you get spat on.
Who admits to friends at a dinner party that they are an abortionist?
It is not a sexy area - it is a bog standard area of women's care.
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| User: "Bill M" |
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| Title: Re: More young doctors oppose abortions on ethical grounds |
17 Apr 2007 03:19:51 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1176827861.912324.11910@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
Those who kill pre-born babies should be the focus of social scorn.
That these young doctors have conscientious objections' to abortion is
to their credit.
Don't me so dishonest and distort the language. Before birth these are
zygotes, a blastocyst and an early fetuses. they are NOT babies.
Abortion is a legal and moral decission by the women and should not be
controlled or interferred with by head in the sand people that are not
involved.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23392808-details/The+abortion+rebellion:+NHS+doctors+refuse+to+carry+out+terminations/article.do
The NHS abortion service is heading for a crisis because increasing
numbers of doctors refuse to carry out terminations, it was claimed.
There has been a big rise in young medics with 'conscientious
objections' to abortion.
The increase has been revealed by the Royal College of Obstetricians
and Gynaecologists.
It says there is evidence of a 'slow but growing problem' of young
doctors opting out of abortion training on moral grounds.
Some senior doctors have blamed declining interest on the lack of
'glamour' involved in the work.
This has been dubbed 'dinner party syndrome' where doctors don't want
to admit to their friends that they do abortions.
In addition, changes to training schedules and reductions in working
hours mean trainee doctors are opting out of a branch of specialist
work that may not enhance their career prospects.
RCOG spokesman Kate Guthrie, who is head of abortion services in Hull,
said: "You get no thanks for performing abortions, you get spat on.
Who admits to friends at a dinner party that they are an abortionist?
It is not a sexy area - it is a bog standard area of women's care.
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| User: "Thomas T. Searcher" |
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17 Apr 2007 02:43:51 PM |
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Doctors won't perform abortions? Gee whiz! I guess those who can't
afford to go overseas, or who can't afford proper contraceptive
services, or who haven't been properly educated to contraception (and
are often at risk of rape), or travel to the Doctors who will help them
will just have to resort to the old standby, coat hangers. Either that,
or spend their lives waiting on tables to earn enough just for diapers.
After all, anti-choice people rarely want to do anything, much less pay
more taxes, to help mothers with infant children. No, not one cent
(except for prisons when the unwanted kids get into trouble). For those
who can afford such luxuries, they'll have the benefits of colleges,
universities, real vocational training, a chance to marry well (good
catches don't want women with kids), the chance at building a _real_
family, all that because they had access to normal, decent and wholesome
abortion Doctors. Well, heck, the rich get richer and the poor get
children.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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17 Apr 2007 01:04:51 PM |
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J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Those who kill pre-born babies should be the focus of social scorn.
And you are.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "" |
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18 Apr 2007 10:16:44 AM |
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On Apr 17, 12:37 pm, J Young <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:
The NHS abortion service is heading for a crisis because increasing
numbers of doctors refuse to carry out terminations, it was claimed.
In other news, the sale of coat hangers has skyrocketed.
There has been a big rise in young medics with 'conscientious
objections' to abortion.
I'm sure they won't object to treating all of the young women who tear
their insides up in a dark alley because they had no abortion option.
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| User: "ritpg" |
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17 Apr 2007 02:53:38 PM |
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On Apr 17, 12:37 pm, J Young <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:
Those who kill pre-born babies should be the focus of social scorn.
That these young doctors have conscientious objections' to abortion is
to their credit.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23392808-details/The+abort...
The NHS abortion service is heading for a crisis because increasing
numbers of doctors refuse to carry out terminations, it was claimed.
There has been a big rise in young medics with 'conscientious
objections' to abortion.
The increase has been revealed by the Royal College of Obstetricians
and Gynaecologists.
It says there is evidence of a 'slow but growing problem' of young
doctors opting out of abortion training on moral grounds.
Some senior doctors have blamed declining interest on the lack of
'glamour' involved in the work.
This has been dubbed 'dinner party syndrome' where doctors don't want
to admit to their friends that they do abortions.
In addition, changes to training schedules and reductions in working
hours mean trainee doctors are opting out of a branch of specialist
work that may not enhance their career prospects.
RCOG spokesman Kate Guthrie, who is head of abortion services in Hull,
said: "You get no thanks for performing abortions, you get spat on.
Who admits to friends at a dinner party that they are an abortionist?
It is not a sexy area - it is a bog standard area of women's care.
As the father of a young doctor in the US, I am seeing a similar
trend. I don't know of a single friend or associate of my daughter's
admitting to performing abortions. Some are avoiding performing
abortions because of the effect it has on them socially. Not a very
good reason in my mind. Others are putting more thought into it and
rejecting it for moral reasons, a much better reason. And some others
are picking specialties based on the lowest malpractice insurance
premiums which tends to preclude ob/gyn, the specialty of most of the
abortionists, another poor reason for not performing abortions. The
doctors filling such specialties tend to be foreigners. I haven't
figured out why. Why would foreigners have less trouble with
performing abortions and paying high premiums? Perhaps they have less
problem destroying babies belonging to other ethnicities and because
of the shortage in such specialities, they can can charge higher rates
thus making insurance premiums moot. There's always a reason, isn't
there?
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| User: "Parsifal" |
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17 Apr 2007 03:47:40 PM |
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On 17 Apr., 21:53, ritpg <r...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 17, 12:37 pm, J Young <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:
Those who kill pre-born babies should be the focus of social scorn.
That these young doctors have conscientious objections' to abortion is
to their credit.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23392808-details/The+abort...
The NHS abortion service is heading for a crisis because increasing
numbers of doctors refuse to carry out terminations, it was claimed.
There has been a big rise in young medics with 'conscientious
objections' to abortion.
The increase has been revealed by the Royal College of Obstetricians
and Gynaecologists.
It says there is evidence of a 'slow but growing problem' of young
doctors opting out of abortion training on moral grounds.
Some senior doctors have blamed declining interest on the lack of
'glamour' involved in the work.
This has been dubbed 'dinner party syndrome' where doctors don't want
to admit to their friends that they do abortions.
In addition, changes to training schedules and reductions in working
hours mean trainee doctors are opting out of a branch of specialist
work that may not enhance their career prospects.
RCOG spokesman Kate Guthrie, who is head of abortion services in Hull,
said: "You get no thanks for performing abortions, you get spat on.
Who admits to friends at a dinner party that they are an abortionist?
It is not a sexy area - it is a bog standard area of women's care.
As the father of a young doctor in the US, I am seeing a similar
trend. I don't know of a single friend or associate of my daughter's
admitting to performing abortions. Some are avoiding performing
abortions because of the effect it has on them socially. Not a very
good reason in my mind. Others are putting more thought into it and
rejecting it for moral reasons, a much better reason. And some others
are picking specialties based on the lowest malpractice insurance
premiums which tends to preclude ob/gyn, the specialty of most of the
abortionists, another poor reason for not performing abortions. The
doctors filling such specialties tend to be foreigners. I haven't
figured out why. Why would foreigners have less trouble with
performing abortions and paying high premiums? Perhaps they have less
problem destroying babies belonging to other ethnicities and because
of the shortage in such specialities, they can can charge higher rates
thus making insurance premiums moot. There's always a reason, isn't
there?-
The fact that the USA seems to be more and more controlled by
christian talibans is quite frightening...
When are the majority of decent Americans going to react?
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| User: "ritpg" |
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19 Apr 2007 09:49:19 AM |
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On Apr 17, 4:47 pm, Parsifal <jeanpascalvac...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 17 Apr., 21:53,ritpg<r...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 17, 12:37 pm, J Young <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:
Those who kill pre-born babies should be the focus of social scorn.
That these young doctors have conscientious objections' to abortion is
to their credit.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23392808-details/The+abort...
The NHS abortion service is heading for a crisis because increasing
numbers of doctors refuse to carry out terminations, it was claimed.
There has been a big rise in young medics with 'conscientious
objections' to abortion.
The increase has been revealed by the Royal College of Obstetricians
and Gynaecologists.
It says there is evidence of a 'slow but growing problem' of young
doctors opting out of abortion training on moral grounds.
Some senior doctors have blamed declining interest on the lack of
'glamour' involved in the work.
This has been dubbed 'dinner party syndrome' where doctors don't want
to admit to their friends that they do abortions.
In addition, changes to training schedules and reductions in working
hours mean trainee doctors are opting out of a branch of specialist
work that may not enhance their career prospects.
RCOG spokesman Kate Guthrie, who is head of abortion services in Hull,
said: "You get no thanks for performing abortions, you get spat on.
Who admits to friends at a dinner party that they are an abortionist?
It is not a sexy area - it is a bog standard area of women's care.
As the father of a young doctor in the US, I am seeing a similar
trend. I don't know of a single friend or associate of my daughter's
admitting to performing abortions. Some are avoiding performing
abortions because of the effect it has on them socially. Not a very
good reason in my mind. Others are putting more thought into it and
rejecting it for moral reasons, a much better reason. And some others
are picking specialties based on the lowest malpractice insurance
premiums which tends to preclude ob/gyn, the specialty of most of the
abortionists, another poor reason for not performing abortions. The
doctors filling such specialties tend to be foreigners. I haven't
figured out why. Why would foreigners have less trouble with
performing abortions and paying high premiums? Perhaps they have less
problem destroying babies belonging to other ethnicities and because
of the shortage in such specialities, they can can charge higher rates
thus making insurance premiums moot. There's always a reason, isn't
there?-
The fact that the USA seems to be more and more controlled by
christian talibans is quite frightening...
When are the majority of decent Americans going to react?- Hide quoted text -
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May I ask what is the basis for your concept of "decency"? Where does
it come from? Does it change? Who gets to decide when it needs to
change? Just wondering. You say there is such a thing as decency. I
would certainly agree. But my decency is based on time-honored truths
and constants. Do you have any time-honored trughts and constants.
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| User: "John Baker" |
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19 Apr 2007 12:57:00 PM |
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On 19 Apr 2007 07:49:19 -0700, ritpg <ritpg@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 17, 4:47 pm, Parsifal <jeanpascalvac...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 17 Apr., 21:53,ritpg<r...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 17, 12:37 pm, J Young <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:
Those who kill pre-born babies should be the focus of social scorn.
That these young doctors have conscientious objections' to abortion is
to their credit.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23392808-details/The+abort...
The NHS abortion service is heading for a crisis because increasing
numbers of doctors refuse to carry out terminations, it was claimed.
There has been a big rise in young medics with 'conscientious
objections' to abortion.
The increase has been revealed by the Royal College of Obstetricians
and Gynaecologists.
It says there is evidence of a 'slow but growing problem' of young
doctors opting out of abortion training on moral grounds.
Some senior doctors have blamed declining interest on the lack of
'glamour' involved in the work.
This has been dubbed 'dinner party syndrome' where doctors don't want
to admit to their friends that they do abortions.
In addition, changes to training schedules and reductions in working
hours mean trainee doctors are opting out of a branch of specialist
work that may not enhance their career prospects.
RCOG spokesman Kate Guthrie, who is head of abortion services in Hull,
said: "You get no thanks for performing abortions, you get spat on.
Who admits to friends at a dinner party that they are an abortionist?
It is not a sexy area - it is a bog standard area of women's care.
As the father of a young doctor in the US, I am seeing a similar
trend. I don't know of a single friend or associate of my daughter's
admitting to performing abortions. Some are avoiding performing
abortions because of the effect it has on them socially. Not a very
good reason in my mind. Others are putting more thought into it and
rejecting it for moral reasons, a much better reason. And some others
are picking specialties based on the lowest malpractice insurance
premiums which tends to preclude ob/gyn, the specialty of most of the
abortionists, another poor reason for not performing abortions. The
doctors filling such specialties tend to be foreigners. I haven't
figured out why. Why would foreigners have less trouble with
performing abortions and paying high premiums? Perhaps they have less
problem destroying babies belonging to other ethnicities and because
of the shortage in such specialities, they can can charge higher rates
thus making insurance premiums moot. There's always a reason, isn't
there?-
The fact that the USA seems to be more and more controlled by
christian talibans is quite frightening...
When are the majority of decent Americans going to react?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
May I ask what is the basis for your concept of "decency"? Where does
it come from? Does it change? Who gets to decide when it needs to
change? Just wondering. You say there is such a thing as decency. I
would certainly agree. But my decency is based on time-honored truths
and constants. Do you have any time-honored trughts and constants.
And what "time-honored truths and constants" might those be, Skippy?
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| User: "ritpg" |
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20 Apr 2007 07:12:15 AM |
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On Apr 19, 1:57 pm, John Baker <n...@bizniz.net> wrote:
On 19 Apr 2007 07:49:19 -0700,ritpg<r...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 17, 4:47 pm, Parsifal <jeanpascalvac...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 17 Apr., 21:53,ritpg<r...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 17, 12:37 pm, J Young <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:
Those who kill pre-born babies should be the focus of social scorn.
That these young doctors have conscientious objections' to abortion is
to their credit.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23392808-details/The+abort...
The NHS abortion service is heading for a crisis because increasing
numbers of doctors refuse to carry out terminations, it was claimed.
There has been a big rise in young medics with 'conscientious
objections' to abortion.
The increase has been revealed by the Royal College of Obstetricians
and Gynaecologists.
It says there is evidence of a 'slow but growing problem' of young
doctors opting out of abortion training on moral grounds.
Some senior doctors have blamed declining interest on the lack of
'glamour' involved in the work.
This has been dubbed 'dinner party syndrome' where doctors don't want
to admit to their friends that they do abortions.
In addition, changes to training schedules and reductions in working
hours mean trainee doctors are opting out of a branch of specialist
work that may not enhance their career prospects.
RCOG spokesman Kate Guthrie, who is head of abortion services in Hull,
said: "You get no thanks for performing abortions, you get spat on.
Who admits to friends at a dinner party that they are an abortionist?
It is not a sexy area - it is a bog standard area of women's care.
As the father of a young doctor in the US, I am seeing a similar
trend. I don't know of a single friend or associate of my daughter's
admitting to performing abortions. Some are avoiding performing
abortions because of the effect it has on them socially. Not a very
good reason in my mind. Others are putting more thought into it and
rejecting it for moral reasons, a much better reason. And some others
are picking specialties based on the lowest malpractice insurance
premiums which tends to preclude ob/gyn, the specialty of most of the
abortionists, another poor reason for not performing abortions. The
doctors filling such specialties tend to be foreigners. I haven't
figured out why. Why would foreigners have less trouble with
performing abortions and paying high premiums? Perhaps they have less
problem destroying babies belonging to other ethnicities and because
of the shortage in such specialities, they can can charge higher rates
thus making insurance premiums moot. There's always a reason, isn't
there?-
The fact that the USA seems to be more and more controlled by
christian talibans is quite frightening...
When are the majority of decent Americans going to react?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
May I ask what is the basis for your concept of "decency"? Where does
it come from? Does it change? Who gets to decide when it needs to
change? Just wondering. You say there is such a thing as decency. I
would certainly agree. But my decency is based on time-honored truths
and constants. Do you have any time-honored trughts and constants.
And what "time-honored truths and constants" might those be, Skippy?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Try reading the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
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| User: "" |
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18 Apr 2007 07:24:34 AM |
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On 17-Apr-2007, ritpg <ritpg@hotmail.com> wrote:
As the father of a young doctor in the US, I am seeing a similar
trend. I don't know of a single friend or associate of my daughter's
admitting to performing abortions. Some are avoiding performing
abortions because of the effect it has on them socially. Not a very
good reason in my mind.
Exactly.
It shows the moral bankruptcy of the narrow-minded.
Susan
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| User: "David Schwartz" |
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18 Apr 2007 08:11:28 AM |
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On Apr 17, 9:37 am, J Young <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:
Those who kill pre-born babies should be the focus of social scorn.
I agree. Every woman who refuses to have sex, where a child could have
resulted from that sex, should be the focus of social scorn. Her egg
cell is a pre-born baby just as much as a fetus is.
DS
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