In article <cvdWg.6$O45.1@newsfe24.lga>, Peter D <please@.sk> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote

I am "saying" that the "pro-life" are very big on forcing unwanted
children into the world and then doing NOTHING to take
responsibility for these children. They don't care about the
children. So the real question then is, "What is their motivation?"

#1) Yor first statement is an opinion -- and a biased oen at that. You
have
NO evidence to support your opinion. None. Nada. Zip. Jack *****.

Prove it.

David W. Barnes wrote:

In article <OmUVg.4774$FV7.3227@newsfe14.lga>, Peter D <please@.sk>
wrote:

"David W. Barnes" wrote

Carter wrote

David W. Barnes wrote:

1) How many children have you adopted?

None, I raised three of my own.

So you don't take responsibility for caring for unwanted children.

This is a specious argument. What you want to imply is that his postion on
abortion is invalid because he's unwilling to adopt unwanted children.

I'm not "implying" anything. I am "saying" that the "pro-life" are
very big on forcing unwanted children into the world and then doing
NOTHING to take responsibility for these children. They don't care
about the children. So the real question then is, "What is their
motivation?"

Well,
***** to your attempt!

Great argument.

It has nothing to do with the abortion issue. I
might as well ask you how many homeless people live in your house in order
to invalidate your opinion on social services. IOW, it's worth *****.

If I was the one causing them to be homeless, you could ask that.

You "pro-life" are all alike. IRRESPONSIBLE.

Well, just keep advocating that we, as a society, force unwanted
children into the world and then wash our hands of them after they are
born. It fits you.

You know David, it is unfortunately typical that sooner rather
than later most pro abortionists run out of reasoned argument and
resort to ad hominem.

It seems that you have reached that threshold, that's too bad.

Bye guy, it's been a blast.

David W. Barnes wrote:

In article <TTNVg.1624$cz.24467@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>, Carter
<per.ardua@ad.astra> wrote:

None, I raised three of my own.

So you don't take responsibility for caring for unwanted children.

Now that's an extremely illogical assumption, if it is based on
anything I said.

2) If abortion were made illegal, would you support your taxes being
raised to pay for the health care of the mother and child, and the
education and expenses of the child? Would you support raising taxes
for child care so the woman can continue with her career?

In this country all of that is already being done. Do I support
it? Yes, with some reservations. I believe people should take
responsibility for their actions, i.e., raise your own children,
don't expect the taxpayers to do it for you because the taxpayers
didn't force you to conceive them.

They just, under your concept of the law, would be forced to bear the
child.

If they voluntary conceived it, yes.

There should be a social assistance program in place, as there is
in this country, as a safety net for those who, permanently or
temporally, through no fault of their own, are unable to afford
life's basic necessities. That I strongly support.

And what if it is their "fault?"

The net is still there and they are expected to correct the fault
as soon as possible and get on with their life and out of the
taxpayers pockets.

Jeff Stapleton wrote:

"SunDancer" <Big_Bad_John@CompaniesStore.com> wrote in message
news:efnbtl$5ol$1@utornnr1pp.grouptelecom.net...

...when it comes to killing unborn children, Canada shows no mercy on
the child or pictures thereof.

get over it already abortion is legal in canada. It is not murder as you
like to believe.

...Liberals used to believe, before Trudeau took power, that killing an
unborn child in the womb was murder and a crime, what made them change
their minds?

Peter D wrote:

What's most disturbing about this is that it places a chilling
stranglehold
on the right of expression and speech. Yes, the image is offensive, but
so
what? DON'T LOOK!

I hope a formal compaint is filed before the Human Rights Tribunal and
the
Police are forced to drop all charges. I'm disgusted that such a
non-aggressive act of protest was subjected to such harrassment in my
country.

Mother of Seven Arrested Without Warning for Showing Abortion Image

LifeSiteNews ^ | 27 September 2006

Posted on 09/26/2006 10:54:14 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher

FREDERICTON, New Brunswick, Sept. 27, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A
pro-life woman was arrested Tuesday for holding an image of an
aborted
child outside an abortion facility in Fredericton, New Brunswick.

Suzie Ryan, mother of seven, was silently holding the image outside
the
Morgentaler centre as abortions were being performed inside. Mrs.
Ryan
was charged with violating s.163 of the Criminal Code. S.163 is about
the display of obscene material. She was released after being held in
a
jail cell for several hours. She must face the charges in court in
November.

Prior to her arrest Mrs. Ryan was not warned in any way that she was
committing an illegal act. Six to eight police officers arrived and
forcibly put her in a paddy wagon, while confiscating her sign and
umbrella.

Police Staff Sergeant Kelly later explained to Mrs. Ryan's husband,
Campaign Life Coalition New Brunswick (CLCNB) president Peter Ryan,
that the police were acting following instructions from the Crown
Prosecutor office and some 35 complaints about the display of
abortion
images. Mr. Ryan believes the abortuary staff must have put in one or
more complaints this morning.

CLCNB is not aware of any other case in Canada where a pro-life
citizen
was arrested without prior warning for simply displaying an abortion
image in a public place. Such images have been repeatedly displayed
by
such groups as Show the Truth which has won precedent-setting cases
in
which it also was charged for showing graphic abortion pictures. That
group visited Fredericton twice this past summer. At the time
Fredericton Mayor Brad Woodside expressed displeasure with the
group's
tactics, but said there was nothing the city could legally do to
prevent such displays.

The Morgentaler abortion facility has no legal restrictions against
protest in the surrounding public area. Pro-life supporters regularly
are present on Tuesday mornings when abortions usually take place.

Mrs. Ryan says she is quite shaken by the incident.

Peter Ryan says it is incredible when someone can be accused of a
crime
for peacefully protesting the murder of innocent children. "Here's
the
analogy," he said. "The Nazi death camps are exterminating Jews.
Outside someone protests with an image of the Holocaust. The camp
staff
complains to police. The person is arrested as a criminal. The
slaughter goes on. That's where we now are in this country.

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Virgin Mary in Bosnia-Herzegovina, the former communist
Yugoslavia. These are the messages from the last apparitions on
earth of the Blessed Virgin Mary who proclaims that these times
are a time of grace granted to mankind by God for the purpose of
conversion back to Him, when these apparitions of 25 years
come to an end, the ten Chastisements will begin for the renewal
of the world and mankind.

MESSAGE OF JUNE 25, 2006
"Dear children! With great joy in my heart I thank you for all
the prayers that, in these days, you offered for my intentions.
Know, little children, that you will not regret it, neither you
nor your children. God will reward you with great graces and you
will earn eternal life. I am near you and thank all those who,
through these years, have accepted my messages, have poured them
into their life and decided for holiness and peace. Thank you
for having responded to my call." 06/2006

MESSAGE OF APRIL 25, 2006

"Dear children! Also today I call you to have more trust in me
and my Son. He has conquered by His death and resurrection and,
through me, calls you to be a part of His joy. You do not see
God, little children, but if you pray you will feel His
nearness. I am with you and intercede before God for each of
you. Thank you for having responded to my call." 04/2006

--
"TOLERANCE is a virtue of a man WITHOUT convictions."
Quote: G. K. Chesterton.

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http://www.fatimaradio.org/

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A Medjugorje Message to Marija Pavlovic Lunetti from the Blessed
Virgin Mary in Bosnia-Herzegovina, the former communist
Yugoslavia. These are the messages from the last apparitions on
earth of the Blessed Virgin Mary who proclaims that these times
are a time of grace granted to mankind by God for the purpose of
conversion back to Him, when these apparitions of 25 years
come to an end, the ten Chastisements will begin for the renewal
of the world and mankind.

MESSAGE OF JUNE 25, 2006
"Dear children! With great joy in my heart I thank you for all
the prayers that, in these days, you offered for my intentions.
Know, little children, that you will not regret it, neither you
nor your children. God will reward you with great graces and you
will earn eternal life. I am near you and thank all those who,
through these years, have accepted my messages, have poured them
into their life and decided for holiness and peace. Thank you
for having responded to my call." 06/2006

MESSAGE OF APRIL 25, 2006

"Dear children! Also today I call you to have more trust in me
and my Son. He has conquered by His death and resurrection and,
through me, calls you to be a part of His joy. You do not see
God, little children, but if you pray you will feel His
nearness. I am with you and intercede before God for each of
you. Thank you for having responded to my call." 04/2006

Jeff Stapleton wrote:

get over it already abortion is legal in canada. It is not murder as you
like to believe.

According to Man's law you may be correct. According to God's law you
are wrong. God's law is the ultimate law. We all have to appear in His
court someday.

L

On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 16:47:40 -0500, "Peter D" <please@.sk> wrote in
message <yFBTg.223$HO6.116@newsfe19.lga>:

What's most disturbing about this is that it places a chilling stranglehold
on the right of expression and speech. Yes, the image is offensive, but so
what? DON'T LOOK!

I hope a formal compaint is filed before the Human Rights Tribunal and the
Police are forced to drop all charges. I'm disgusted that such a
non-aggressive act of protest was subjected to such harrassment in my
country.

D'you know, I find it very 'odd' that only anti-abortion sites have
this story, and it's ALL the same verbatim text.

Mother of Seven Arrested Without Warning for Showing Abortion Image


LifeSiteNews ^ | 27 September 2006

Posted on 09/26/2006 10:54:14 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher

FREDERICTON, New Brunswick, Sept. 27, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A
pro-life woman was arrested Tuesday for holding an image of an aborted
child outside an abortion facility in Fredericton, New Brunswick.

Suzie Ryan, mother of seven, was silently holding the image outside the
Morgentaler centre as abortions were being performed inside. Mrs. Ryan
was charged with violating s.163 of the Criminal Code. S.163 is about
the display of obscene material. She was released after being held in a
jail cell for several hours. She must face the charges in court in
November.

Prior to her arrest Mrs. Ryan was not warned in any way that she was
committing an illegal act. Six to eight police officers arrived and
forcibly put her in a paddy wagon, while confiscating her sign and
umbrella.

Police Staff Sergeant Kelly later explained to Mrs. Ryan's husband,
Campaign Life Coalition New Brunswick (CLCNB) president Peter Ryan,
that the police were acting following instructions from the Crown
Prosecutor office and some 35 complaints about the display of abortion
images. Mr. Ryan believes the abortuary staff must have put in one or
more complaints this morning.

CLCNB is not aware of any other case in Canada where a pro-life citizen
was arrested without prior warning for simply displaying an abortion
image in a public place. Such images have been repeatedly displayed by
such groups as Show the Truth which has won precedent-setting cases in
which it also was charged for showing graphic abortion pictures. That
group visited Fredericton twice this past summer. At the time
Fredericton Mayor Brad Woodside expressed displeasure with the group's
tactics, but said there was nothing the city could legally do to
prevent such displays.

The Morgentaler abortion facility has no legal restrictions against
protest in the surrounding public area. Pro-life supporters regularly
are present on Tuesday mornings when abortions usually take place.

Mrs. Ryan says she is quite shaken by the incident.

Peter Ryan says it is incredible when someone can be accused of a crime
for peacefully protesting the murder of innocent children. "Here's the
analogy," he said. "The Nazi death camps are exterminating Jews.
Outside someone protests with an image of the Holocaust. The camp staff
complains to police. The person is arrested as a criminal. The
slaughter goes on. That's where we now are in this country.

On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 16:47:40 -0500, "Peter D" <please@.sk> wrote in
message <yFBTg.223$HO6.116@newsfe19.lga>:

What's most disturbing about this is that it places a chilling stranglehold
on the right of expression and speech. Yes, the image is offensive, but so
what? DON'T LOOK!

I hope a formal compaint is filed before the Human Rights Tribunal and the
Police are forced to drop all charges. I'm disgusted that such a
non-aggressive act of protest was subjected to such harrassment in my
country.

D'you know, I find it very 'odd' that only anti-abortion sites have
this story, and it's ALL the same verbatim text.

Mother of Seven Arrested Without Warning for Showing Abortion Image

LifeSiteNews ^ | 27 September 2006

Posted on 09/26/2006 10:54:14 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher

FREDERICTON, New Brunswick, Sept. 27, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A
pro-life woman was arrested Tuesday for holding an image of an aborted
child outside an abortion facility in Fredericton, New Brunswick.

Suzie Ryan, mother of seven, was silently holding the image outside the
Morgentaler centre as abortions were being performed inside. Mrs. Ryan
was charged with violating s.163 of the Criminal Code. S.163 is about
the display of obscene material. She was released after being held in a
jail cell for several hours. She must face the charges in court in
November.

Prior to her arrest Mrs. Ryan was not warned in any way that she was
committing an illegal act. Six to eight police officers arrived and
forcibly put her in a paddy wagon, while confiscating her sign and
umbrella.

Police Staff Sergeant Kelly later explained to Mrs. Ryan's husband,