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Date:	27 Sep 2006 08:03:16 PM
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Mother of Seven Arrested Without Warning for Showing Abortion Image
LifeSiteNews ^ | 27 September 2006
Posted on 09/26/2006 10:54:14 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher
FREDERICTON, New Brunswick, Sept. 27, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A
pro-life woman was arrested Tuesday for holding an image of an aborted
child outside an abortion facility in Fredericton, New Brunswick.
Suzie Ryan, mother of seven, was silently holding the image outside the
Morgentaler centre as abortions were being performed inside. Mrs. Ryan
was charged with violating s.163 of the Criminal Code. S.163 is about
the display of obscene material. She was released after being held in a
jail cell for several hours. She must face the charges in court in
November.
Prior to her arrest Mrs. Ryan was not warned in any way that she was
committing an illegal act. Six to eight police officers arrived and
forcibly put her in a paddy wagon, while confiscating her sign and
umbrella.
Police Staff Sergeant Kelly later explained to Mrs. Ryan's husband,
Campaign Life Coalition New Brunswick (CLCNB) president Peter Ryan,
that the police were acting following instructions from the Crown
Prosecutor office and some 35 complaints about the display of abortion
images. Mr. Ryan believes the abortuary staff must have put in one or
more complaints this morning.
CLCNB is not aware of any other case in Canada where a pro-life citizen
was arrested without prior warning for simply displaying an abortion
image in a public place. Such images have been repeatedly displayed by
such groups as Show the Truth which has won precedent-setting cases in
which it also was charged for showing graphic abortion pictures. That
group visited Fredericton twice this past summer. At the time
Fredericton Mayor Brad Woodside expressed displeasure with the group's
tactics, but said there was nothing the city could legally do to
prevent such displays.
The Morgentaler abortion facility has no legal restrictions against
protest in the surrounding public area. Pro-life supporters regularly
are present on Tuesday mornings when abortions usually take place.
Mrs. Ryan says she is quite shaken by the incident.
Peter Ryan says it is incredible when someone can be accused of a crime
for peacefully protesting the murder of innocent children. "Here's the
analogy," he said. "The Nazi death camps are exterminating Jews.
Outside someone protests with an image of the Holocaust. The camp staff
complains to police. The person is arrested as a criminal. The
slaughter goes on. That's where we now are in this country.
.

User: "R. Pierce Butler"
Title: Re: Mother Of Seven Arrested Without Warning For Showing Abortion Image	27 Sep 2006 11:25:27 PM

"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@bluebottle.com> wrote in
news:1159405396.502021.93150@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com:

Works for me. I don't want to see that crap either be it a fetus, gall
bladder, or a kitten turned inside out.
.

User: "Rick"
Title: Re: Mother Of Seven Arrested Without Warning For Showing Abortion Image	28 Sep 2006 01:34:33 AM

R. Pierce Butler wrote in message ...

"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@bluebottle.com> wrote in
news:1159405396.502021.93150@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com:

Works for me. I don't want to see that crap either be it a fetus, gall
bladder, or a kitten turned inside out.

I don't want to see ***** in a jar with a Crucifix, or elephant poop smeared
on a picture of the mother of Jesus, but I'm at least tolerant to not
believe those responsible for their public display should be thrown in jail.
All the woman did was show a mass of tissue.
- Rick
.

User: "R. Pierce Butler"
Title: Re: Mother Of Seven Arrested Without Warning For Showing Abortion Image	28 Sep 2006 02:59:23 AM

"Rick" <pl1_alpha_geek@juNOSPAM.com> wrote in
news:WpWdnQN4gpNi8YbYnZ2dnUVZ_omdnZ2d@giganews.com:

R. Pierce Butler wrote in message ...

"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@bluebottle.com> wrote in
news:1159405396.502021.93150@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com:

Works for me. I don't want to see that crap either be it a fetus,
gall bladder, or a kitten turned inside out.

I don't want to see ***** in a jar with a Crucifix, or elephant poop
smeared on a picture of the mother of Jesus, but I'm at least tolerant
to not believe those responsible for their public display should be
thrown in jail. All the woman did was show a mass of tissue.

- Rick

It is still gross as hell and I don't want or need to see that. If
people want to see crap like that, there are websites devoted to crime
scene photos.
.

User: "Rick"
Title: Re: Mother Of Seven Arrested Without Warning For Showing Abortion Image	29 Sep 2006 04:32:31 AM

R. Pierce Butler wrote in message ...

"Rick" <pl1_alpha_geek@juNOSPAM.com> wrote in
news:WpWdnQN4gpNi8YbYnZ2dnUVZ_omdnZ2d@giganews.com:

R. Pierce Butler wrote in message ...

"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@bluebottle.com> wrote in
news:1159405396.502021.93150@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com:

Works for me. I don't want to see that crap either be it a fetus,
gall bladder, or a kitten turned inside out.

I don't want to see ***** in a jar with a Crucifix, or elephant poop
smeared on a picture of the mother of Jesus, but I'm at least tolerant
to not believe those responsible for their public display should be
thrown in jail. All the woman did was show a mass of tissue.

- Rick

It is still gross as hell and I don't want or need to see that. If
people want to see crap like that, there are websites devoted to crime
scene photos.

Who cares what you think? Should she be thrown in jail for offending you?
You cound like an intolerant conservative.
- Rick
.

User: "R. Pierce Butler"
Title: Re: Mother Of Seven Arrested Without Warning For Showing Abortion Image	30 Sep 2006 12:21:49 AM

"Rick" <pl1_alpha_geek@juNOSPAM.com> wrote in
news:cPqdnQiHGKvNdYHYnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d@giganews.com:

R. Pierce Butler wrote in message ...

"Rick" <pl1_alpha_geek@juNOSPAM.com> wrote in
news:WpWdnQN4gpNi8YbYnZ2dnUVZ_omdnZ2d@giganews.com:

R. Pierce Butler wrote in message ...

"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@bluebottle.com> wrote in
news:1159405396.502021.93150@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com:

Works for me. I don't want to see that crap either be it a fetus,
gall bladder, or a kitten turned inside out.

I don't want to see ***** in a jar with a Crucifix, or elephant poop
smeared on a picture of the mother of Jesus, but I'm at least
tolerant to not believe those responsible for their public display
should be thrown in jail. All the woman did was show a mass of
tissue.

- Rick

It is still gross as hell and I don't want or need to see that. If
people want to see crap like that, there are websites devoted to crime
scene photos.

Who cares what you think? Should she be thrown in jail for offending
you? You cound like an intolerant conservative.

- Rick

If there are laws against obscenity then she is getting off easy which
is really unfair.
Who cares what I think? Obviously you do else you wouldn't have made
such a big deal out of it.
.

User: "Ray Fischer"
Title: Re: Mother Of Seven Arrested Without Warning For Showing Abortion Image	28 Sep 2006 02:00:51 AM

Rick <pl1_alpha_geek@juNOSPAM.com> wrote:

R. Pierce Butler wrote in message ...

"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@bluebottle.com> wrote in
news:1159405396.502021.93150@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com:

Works for me. I don't want to see that crap either be it a fetus, gall
bladder, or a kitten turned inside out.

And if she'd shown an x-rated picture of people having sex?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.

User: "R. Pierce Butler"
Title: Re: Mother Of Seven Arrested Without Warning For Showing Abortion Image	28 Sep 2006 03:00:53 AM

(Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:451b7323$0$34552$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:

Rick <pl1_alpha_geek@juNOSPAM.com> wrote:

R. Pierce Butler wrote in message ...

"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@bluebottle.com> wrote in
news:1159405396.502021.93150@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com:

Works for me. I don't want to see that crap either be it a fetus,
gall bladder, or a kitten turned inside out.

I don't want to see ***** in a jar with a Crucifix, or elephant poop
smeared on a picture of the mother of Jesus, but I'm at least tolerant
to not believe those responsible for their public display should be
thrown in jail. All the woman did was show a mass of tissue.

And if she'd shown an x-rated picture of people having sex?

not sure if I would class that as obscene, but the picture of the bloody
mass certainly is to me.
.

User: "turk"
Title: Re: Mother Of Seven Arrested Without Warning For Showing Abortion Image	27 Sep 2006 10:14:29 PM

"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
news:1159405396.502021.93150@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...

Wait, good news...she's Canadian, so they have to support this whack job.
Are churches tax free in Canada, too? At least they lock their loonies up
for a few hours.
turk
--
What has 'theology' ever said that is of the smallest use to anybody? When
has 'theology' ever said anything that is demonstrably true and is not
obvious? What makes you think that 'theology' is a subject at all?
Richard Dawkins
.

User: "Jesse Gooch"
Title: Re: Mother Of Seven Arrested Without Warning For Showing AbortionImage	02 Oct 2006 09:46:05 AM

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At least they lock their loonies up for a few hours.

I was a bit confused for a second and then realized you were not talking
about coins.
- --
Jesse Gooch
Anarchist/Anarcho-Capitalist/Libertarian/Free-Thinker/Whatever
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User: "2704 Dead"
Title: Re: Mother Of Seven Arrested Without Warning For Showing Abortion Image	28 Sep 2006 06:58:33 AM

On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:14:29 -0500, "turk" <turk96@nowaynohow.not>
wrote:

"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
news:1159405396.502021.93150@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...

Wait, good news...she's Canadian, so they have to support this whack job.
Are churches tax free in Canada, too? At least they lock their loonies up
for a few hours.

turk

Probably Catholic, and convinced god will damn her to hell if she
doesn't open those legs for hubby on command.
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User: "turk"
Title: Re: Mother Of Seven Arrested Without Warning For Showing Abortion Image	27 Sep 2006 10:12:29 PM

"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
news:1159405396.502021.93150@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...

Seven children? That ***** can't keep her legs shut can she? What a
Christian. So, how much of my pay is going to support this welfare *****
who has no control over her sexual urges?
turk
--
What has 'theology' ever said that is of the smallest use to anybody? When
has 'theology' ever said anything that is demonstrably true and is not
obvious? What makes you think that 'theology' is a subject at all?
Richard Dawkins
.

User: "KenSpenser"
Title: Re: Mother Of Seven Arrested Without Warning For Showing Abortion Image	28 Sep 2006 11:44:19 AM

Guess the Morgentaler child killing factory wanted to make its' quota for
getting so many millions from the government?
Don't forget that Morgentaler gets tens of millions each year, for killing
babies!!
On 27 Sep 2006 18:03:16 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@bluebottle.com> wrote:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1709046/posts
Mother of Seven Arrested Without Warning for Showing Abortion Image
LifeSiteNews ^ | 27 September 2006

Posted on 09/26/2006 10:54:14 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher

FREDERICTON, New Brunswick, Sept. 27, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A
pro-life woman was arrested Tuesday for holding an image of an aborted
child outside an abortion facility in Fredericton, New Brunswick.

Suzie Ryan, mother of seven, was silently holding the image outside the
Morgentaler centre as abortions were being performed inside. Mrs. Ryan
was charged with violating s.163 of the Criminal Code. S.163 is about
the display of obscene material. She was released after being held in a
jail cell for several hours. She must face the charges in court in
November.

Prior to her arrest Mrs. Ryan was not warned in any way that she was
committing an illegal act. Six to eight police officers arrived and
forcibly put her in a paddy wagon, while confiscating her sign and
umbrella.

Police Staff Sergeant Kelly later explained to Mrs. Ryan's husband,
Campaign Life Coalition New Brunswick (CLCNB) president Peter Ryan,
that the police were acting following instructions from the Crown
Prosecutor office and some 35 complaints about the display of abortion
images. Mr. Ryan believes the abortuary staff must have put in one or
more complaints this morning.

CLCNB is not aware of any other case in Canada where a pro-life citizen
was arrested without prior warning for simply displaying an abortion
image in a public place. Such images have been repeatedly displayed by
such groups as Show the Truth which has won precedent-setting cases in
which it also was charged for showing graphic abortion pictures. That
group visited Fredericton twice this past summer. At the time
Fredericton Mayor Brad Woodside expressed displeasure with the group's
tactics, but said there was nothing the city could legally do to
prevent such displays.

The Morgentaler abortion facility has no legal restrictions against
protest in the surrounding public area. Pro-life supporters regularly
are present on Tuesday mornings when abortions usually take place.

Mrs. Ryan says she is quite shaken by the incident.

Peter Ryan says it is incredible when someone can be accused of a crime
for peacefully protesting the murder of innocent children. "Here's the
analogy," he said. "The Nazi death camps are exterminating Jews.
Outside someone protests with an image of the Holocaust. The camp staff
complains to police. The person is arrested as a criminal. The
slaughter goes on. That's where we now are in this country.

User: "Peter D"
Title: Re: Mother Of Seven Arrested Without Warning For Showing Abortion Image	30 Sep 2006 04:47:40 PM

What's most disturbing about this is that it places a chilling stranglehold
on the right of expression and speech. Yes, the image is offensive, but so
what? DON'T LOOK!
I hope a formal compaint is filed before the Human Rights Tribunal and the
Police are forced to drop all charges. I'm disgusted that such a
non-aggressive act of protest was subjected to such harrassment in my
country.

Mother of Seven Arrested Without Warning for Showing Abortion Image

LifeSiteNews ^ | 27 September 2006

Posted on 09/26/2006 10:54:14 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher

FREDERICTON, New Brunswick, Sept. 27, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A
pro-life woman was arrested Tuesday for holding an image of an aborted
child outside an abortion facility in Fredericton, New Brunswick.

Suzie Ryan, mother of seven, was silently holding the image outside the
Morgentaler centre as abortions were being performed inside. Mrs. Ryan
was charged with violating s.163 of the Criminal Code. S.163 is about
the display of obscene material. She was released after being held in a
jail cell for several hours. She must face the charges in court in
November.

Prior to her arrest Mrs. Ryan was not warned in any way that she was
committing an illegal act. Six to eight police officers arrived and
forcibly put her in a paddy wagon, while confiscating her sign and
umbrella.

Police Staff Sergeant Kelly later explained to Mrs. Ryan's husband,
Campaign Life Coalition New Brunswick (CLCNB) president Peter Ryan,
that the police were acting following instructions from the Crown
Prosecutor office and some 35 complaints about the display of abortion
images. Mr. Ryan believes the abortuary staff must have put in one or
more complaints this morning.

CLCNB is not aware of any other case in Canada where a pro-life citizen
was arrested without prior warning for simply displaying an abortion
image in a public place. Such images have been repeatedly displayed by
such groups as Show the Truth which has won precedent-setting cases in
which it also was charged for showing graphic abortion pictures. That
group visited Fredericton twice this past summer. At the time
Fredericton Mayor Brad Woodside expressed displeasure with the group's
tactics, but said there was nothing the city could legally do to
prevent such displays.

The Morgentaler abortion facility has no legal restrictions against
protest in the surrounding public area. Pro-life supporters regularly
are present on Tuesday mornings when abortions usually take place.

Mrs. Ryan says she is quite shaken by the incident.

Peter Ryan says it is incredible when someone can be accused of a crime
for peacefully protesting the murder of innocent children. "Here's the
analogy," he said. "The Nazi death camps are exterminating Jews.
Outside someone protests with an image of the Holocaust. The camp staff
complains to police. The person is arrested as a criminal. The
slaughter goes on. That's where we now are in this country.

User: "SunDancer"
Title: Re: Mother Of Seven Arrested Without Warning For Showing AbortionImage	30 Sep 2006 10:18:11 PM

....when it comes to killing unborn children, Canada shows no mercy on
the child or pictures thereof.
Peter D wrote:

What's most disturbing about this is that it places a chilling stranglehold
on the right of expression and speech. Yes, the image is offensive, but so
what? DON'T LOOK!

I hope a formal compaint is filed before the Human Rights Tribunal and the
Police are forced to drop all charges. I'm disgusted that such a
non-aggressive act of protest was subjected to such harrassment in my
country.

Mother of Seven Arrested Without Warning for Showing Abortion Image

LifeSiteNews ^ | 27 September 2006

Posted on 09/26/2006 10:54:14 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher

FREDERICTON, New Brunswick, Sept. 27, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A
pro-life woman was arrested Tuesday for holding an image of an aborted
child outside an abortion facility in Fredericton, New Brunswick.

Suzie Ryan, mother of seven, was silently holding the image outside the
Morgentaler centre as abortions were being performed inside. Mrs. Ryan
was charged with violating s.163 of the Criminal Code. S.163 is about
the display of obscene material. She was released after being held in a
jail cell for several hours. She must face the charges in court in
November.

Prior to her arrest Mrs. Ryan was not warned in any way that she was
committing an illegal act. Six to eight police officers arrived and
forcibly put her in a paddy wagon, while confiscating her sign and
umbrella.

Police Staff Sergeant Kelly later explained to Mrs. Ryan's husband,
Campaign Life Coalition New Brunswick (CLCNB) president Peter Ryan,
that the police were acting following instructions from the Crown
Prosecutor office and some 35 complaints about the display of abortion
images. Mr. Ryan believes the abortuary staff must have put in one or
more complaints this morning.

CLCNB is not aware of any other case in Canada where a pro-life citizen
was arrested without prior warning for simply displaying an abortion
image in a public place. Such images have been repeatedly displayed by
such groups as Show the Truth which has won precedent-setting cases in
which it also was charged for showing graphic abortion pictures. That
group visited Fredericton twice this past summer. At the time
Fredericton Mayor Brad Woodside expressed displeasure with the group's
tactics, but said there was nothing the city could legally do to
prevent such displays.

The Morgentaler abortion facility has no legal restrictions against
protest in the surrounding public area. Pro-life supporters regularly
are present on Tuesday mornings when abortions usually take place.

Mrs. Ryan says she is quite shaken by the incident.

Peter Ryan says it is incredible when someone can be accused of a crime
for peacefully protesting the murder of innocent children. "Here's the
analogy," he said. "The Nazi death camps are exterminating Jews.
Outside someone protests with an image of the Holocaust. The camp staff
complains to police. The person is arrested as a criminal. The
slaughter goes on. That's where we now are in this country.

--
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earth of the Blessed Virgin Mary who proclaims that these times
are a time of grace granted to mankind by God for the purpose of
conversion back to Him, when these apparitions of 25 years
come to an end, the ten Chastisements will begin for the renewal
of the world and mankind.
MESSAGE OF JUNE 25, 2006
"Dear children! With great joy in my heart I thank you for all
the prayers that, in these days, you offered for my intentions.
Know, little children, that you will not regret it, neither you
nor your children. God will reward you with great graces and you
will earn eternal life. I am near you and thank all those who,
through these years, have accepted my messages, have poured them
into their life and decided for holiness and peace. Thank you
for having responded to my call." 06/2006
MESSAGE OF APRIL 25, 2006
"Dear children! Also today I call you to have more trust in me
and my Son. He has conquered by His death and resurrection and,
through me, calls you to be a part of His joy. You do not see
God, little children, but if you pray you will feel His
nearness. I am with you and intercede before God for each of
you. Thank you for having responded to my call." 04/2006
.

User: "Jeff Stapleton"
Title: Re: Mother Of Seven Arrested Without Warning For Showing Abortion Image	30 Sep 2006 11:06:17 PM

"SunDancer" <Big_Bad_John@CompaniesStore.com> wrote in message
news:efnbtl$5ol$1@utornnr1pp.grouptelecom.net...

...when it comes to killing unborn children, Canada shows no mercy on the
child or pictures thereof.

get over it already abortion is legal in canada. It is not murder as you
like to believe.

Peter D wrote:

What's most disturbing about this is that it places a chilling
stranglehold
on the right of expression and speech. Yes, the image is offensive, but so
what? DON'T LOOK!

I hope a formal compaint is filed before the Human Rights Tribunal and the
Police are forced to drop all charges. I'm disgusted that such a
non-aggressive act of protest was subjected to such harrassment in my
country.

--
"TOLERANCE is a virtue of a man WITHOUT convictions."
Quote: G. K. Chesterton.

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http://www.catholicexchange.com/bday/index.html

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A Medjugorje Message to Marija Pavlovic Lunetti from the Blessed
Virgin Mary in Bosnia-Herzegovina, the former communist
Yugoslavia. These are the messages from the last apparitions on
earth of the Blessed Virgin Mary who proclaims that these times
are a time of grace granted to mankind by God for the purpose of
conversion back to Him, when these apparitions of 25 years
come to an end, the ten Chastisements will begin for the renewal
of the world and mankind.

MESSAGE OF JUNE 25, 2006
"Dear children! With great joy in my heart I thank you for all
the prayers that, in these days, you offered for my intentions.
Know, little children, that you will not regret it, neither you
nor your children. God will reward you with great graces and you
will earn eternal life. I am near you and thank all those who,
through these years, have accepted my messages, have poured them
into their life and decided for holiness and peace. Thank you
for having responded to my call." 06/2006

MESSAGE OF APRIL 25, 2006

"Dear children! Also today I call you to have more trust in me
and my Son. He has conquered by His death and resurrection and,
through me, calls you to be a part of His joy. You do not see
God, little children, but if you pray you will feel His
nearness. I am with you and intercede before God for each of
you. Thank you for having responded to my call." 04/2006

User: "Brian Bagnall"
Title: Re: Mother Of Seven Arrested Without Warning For Showing Abortion Image	01 Oct 2006 11:04:49 AM

"Jeff Stapleton" <dilagetto@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"SunDancer" <Big_Bad_John@CompaniesStore.com> wrote in message
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...when it comes to killing unborn children, Canada shows no mercy on the
child or pictures thereof.

get over it already abortion is legal in canada. It is not murder as you
like to believe.

Anyone who states one way or another on this issue hasn't thought about it
long enough. If it isn't outright murder it's close to it, especially with
abortions late in the pregnancy cycle.
A 7 month fetus is pretty much a human being and will even attempt to defend
itself from the surgical tools. You are killing life when you perform an
abortion, no matter how you want to phrase it.
- B
.

User: "Jeff Stapleton"
Title: Re: Mother Of Seven Arrested Without Warning For Showing Abortion Image	02 Oct 2006 08:09:58 PM

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...when it comes to killing unborn children, Canada shows no mercy on
the child or pictures thereof.

get over it already abortion is legal in canada. It is not murder as you
like to believe.

Anyone who states one way or another on this issue hasn't thought about it
long enough. If it isn't outright murder it's close to it, especially with
abortions late in the pregnancy cycle.

close only works with horseshoes and hand grenades

A 7 month fetus is pretty much a human being and will even attempt to
defend itself from the surgical tools. You are killing life when you
perform an abortion, no matter how you want to phrase it.

well the courts have ruled that it is not murder. end of story until that
changes just get over it.

- B

User: "Peter D"
Title: Re: Mother Of Seven Arrested Without Warning For Showing Abortion Image	02 Oct 2006 10:13:18 PM

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"Brian Bagnall" <bbagnall@mts.net> wrote in message

A 7 month fetus is pretty much a human being and will even attempt to
defend itself from the surgical tools. You are killing life when you
perform an abortion, no matter how you want to phrase it.

well the courts have ruled that it is not murder. end of story until that
changes just get over it.

Actually the courts have not ruled any such thing. No, please search and
find the case and the court that ruled as you stated.
What the courts have stated is that the law(s) covering abortion needed to
be rewritten. They never were, and so a legal vacuum was created that
"allows" (by not being able to legally forbid) abortions up until the fetus
changes into a person. It's my understanding that the fetus legally becomes
a person when it ceases to depend on the mother for support and life, when
it is viable. That gets a bit hazy. What is the status of a premature baby
that is otherwise viable but needs life support? Can the parent (the legal
owner) request it be terminated? After all, it can't function on its own.
Anyway, I digress.
Abortion is not "legal" in the sense that it is allowed. However, it isn't
"illegal" in the sense that it is forbidden. Ther eis no law governing
abortion. An abortioncan be performed up until the child is vialbe by
itself. COnceivably a day or even a minute before birth a mother can request
an aobrtion and if a doctor is willing to perforn it, it won't break any
laws. That, I think, iis not a good thing.
As for your statement, "end of story until that changes just get over it."
I'd like to point out that refusing to hire homosexuals was legal (by the
absence of laws stating otherwise) once. Blacks not being allowed to vote
was legal once. Ownership of human beings was legal once. Trading in
children was legal once. Just because something is "legal" doesn't make it
"right".
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User: "Jeff Stapleton"
Title: Re: Mother Of Seven Arrested Without Warning For Showing Abortion Image	02 Oct 2006 10:29:39 PM

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"Brian Bagnall" <bbagnall@mts.net> wrote in message

A 7 month fetus is pretty much a human being and will even attempt to
defend itself from the surgical tools. You are killing life when you
perform an abortion, no matter how you want to phrase it.

well the courts have ruled that it is not murder. end of story until that
changes just get over it.

Actually the courts have not ruled any such thing. No, please search and
find the case and the court that ruled as you stated.

you are probably correct on that one i am confusing US and canadian law.
this is not a backpedal, i was wrong.
i am also currently having a debate with a US friend about another issue and
the sheer amount of case law is staggering.

What the courts have stated is that the law(s) covering abortion needed to
be rewritten. They never were, and so a legal vacuum was created that
"allows" (by not being able to legally forbid) abortions up until the
fetus changes into a person. It's my understanding that the fetus legally
becomes a person when it ceases to depend on the mother for support and
life, when it is viable. That gets a bit hazy. What is the status of a
premature baby that is otherwise viable but needs life support? Can the
parent (the legal owner) request it be terminated? After all, it can't
function on its own. Anyway, I digress.

Abortion is not "legal" in the sense that it is allowed. However, it isn't
"illegal" in the sense that it is forbidden. Ther eis no law governing
abortion. An abortioncan be performed up until the child is vialbe by
itself. COnceivably a day or even a minute before birth a mother can
request an aobrtion and if a doctor is willing to perforn it, it won't
break any laws. That, I think, iis not a good thing.

but the problem there is what would be the appropriate cut-off date (no pun
intended)

As for your statement, "end of story until that changes just get over it."
I'd like to point out that refusing to hire homosexuals was legal (by the
absence of laws stating otherwise) once. Blacks not being allowed to vote
was legal once. Ownership of human beings was legal once. Trading in
children was legal once. Just because something is "legal" doesn't make it
"right".

so then are you saying that the first four you quoted should be put back in
place?
What you seem to be quoting, are they laws or legislation?
cheers
jeff
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User: "Peter D"
Title: Re: Mother Of Seven Arrested Without Warning For Showing Abortion Image	03 Oct 2006 11:07:33 AM

"Jeff Stapleton" <dilagetto@hotmail.com> wrote

"Peter D" <please@.sk> wrote in message

Abortion is not "legal" in the sense that it is allowed. However, it
isn't "illegal" in the sense that it is forbidden. There is no law
governing abortion. An abortionc an be performed up until the child is
viable by itself. Conceivably a day or even a minute before birth a
mother can request an aobrtion and if a doctor is willing to perform it,
it won't break any laws. That, I think, is not a good thing.

but the problem there is what would be the appropriate cut-off date (no
pun intended)

I have no idea. You tell me. Your'e the one advocating for abortion. It
seems to me that you should have thought it through sufficiently enough to
have some sense of where you're willign to draw the line. I always ask the
pro-abortion advocate to tell me if the day before birth is OK. I never get
a straight answer. Usually all I get is chatter about how a zygote or a
fetus isn't a "person". Of course that would be the answer to, "Is a zygote
or a fetus a 'person'?" not, "Do you think that it's OK to abort a baby the
day before a normal delivery?"

As for your statement, "end of story until that changes just get over
it." I'd like to point out that refusing to hire homosexuals was legal
(by the absence of laws stating otherwise) once. Blacks not being allowed
to vote was legal once. Ownership of human beings was legal once. Trading
in children was legal once. Just because something is "legal" doesn't
make it "right".

so then are you saying that the first four you quoted should be put back
in place?

No. I'm saying the obvious. Namely, "Just because something is "legal"
doesn't make it "right"." But I think you knew that. You're an intelligent
person. Please don't play stupid games. :-)

What you seem to be quoting, are they laws or legislation?

What difference does it make? In the past certain things were "legal" either
by permitting or not forbidding. The above are examples. Just because
something is "legal", it doesn't make it "right".
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User: "Jeff Stapleton"
Title: Re: Mother Of Seven Arrested Without Warning For Showing Abortion Image	03 Oct 2006 09:15:22 PM

"Peter D" <please@.sk> wrote in message
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"Jeff Stapleton" <dilagetto@hotmail.com> wrote

"Peter D" <please@.sk> wrote in message

but the problem there is what would be the appropriate cut-off date (no
pun intended)

I have no idea. You tell me. Your'e the one advocating for abortion. It
seems to me that you should have thought it through sufficiently enough to
have some sense of where you're willign to draw the line. I always ask the
pro-abortion advocate to tell me if the day before birth is OK. I never
get a straight answer. Usually all I get is chatter about how a zygote or
a fetus isn't a "person". Of course that would be the answer to, "Is a
zygote or a fetus a 'person'?" not, "Do you think that it's OK to abort a
baby the day before a normal delivery?"

i do have a problem with zealots being involved in what is in my opinion
between a woman and her doctor.
There are some very valid reasons for abortion in some cases yet the anti
abortion crowd won't have any of that. they say "all" abortion is wrong. I
happen to disagree with that. Does that make me completely pro abortion. in
a word NO.
A little give and take from both sides would go a long way.
As for the cut off date...... never mind you will just go into what you are
saying above. Lets just say i would think at the eight month mark it is too
late for abortion. i am not conceding that it is a person until it is born.

As for your statement, "end of story until that changes just get over
it." I'd like to point out that refusing to hire homosexuals was legal
(by the absence of laws stating otherwise) once. Blacks not being
allowed to vote was legal once. Ownership of human beings was legal
once. Trading in children was legal once. Just because something is
"legal" doesn't make it "right".

so then are you saying that the first four you quoted should be put back
in place?

No. I'm saying the obvious. Namely, "Just because something is "legal"
doesn't make it "right"." But I think you knew that. You're an intelligent
person. Please don't play stupid games. :-)

i'm not, just wondering why specifically you would bring up homosexuality? I
do like that you compare it to "blacks" (your quote) because everytime the
gay movement compared it to that the right wing cried foul and said that's
not the same thing

What you seem to be quoting, are they laws or legislation?

What difference does it make? In the past certain things were "legal"
either by permitting or not forbidding. The above are examples. Just
because something is "legal", it doesn't make it "right".

but for distinction purposes i would like to know your opinion

User: "Peter D"
Title: Re: Mother Of Seven Arrested Without Warning For Showing Abortion Image	04 Oct 2006 12:38:17 PM

"Jeff Stapleton" <dilagetto@hotmail.com> wrote

"Peter D" <please@.sk> wrote in message

"Jeff Stapleton" <dilagetto@hotmail.com> wrote

"Peter D" <please@.sk> wrote in message

Abortion is not "legal" in the sense that it is allowed. However, it
isn't "illegal" in the sense that it is forbidden. There is no law
governing abortion. An abortionc an be performed up until the child is
viable by itself. Conceivably a day or even a minute before birth a
mother can request an aobrtion and if a doctor is willing to perform
it, it won't break any laws. That, I think, is not a good thing.

but the problem there is what would be the appropriate cut-off date (no
pun intended)

I have no idea. You tell me. Your'e the one advocating for abortion. It
seems to me that you should have thought it through sufficiently enough
to have some sense of where you're willign to draw the line. I always ask
the pro-abortion advocate to tell me if the day before birth is OK. I
never get a straight answer. Usually all I get is chatter about how a
zygote or a fetus isn't a "person". Of course that would be the answer
to, "Is a zygote or a fetus a 'person'?" not, "Do you think that it's OK
to abort a baby the day before a normal delivery?"

i do have a problem with zealots being involved in what is in my opinion
between a woman and her doctor.

There are some very valid reasons for abortion in some cases yet the anti
abortion crowd won't have any of that. they say "all" abortion is wrong. I
happen to disagree with that. Does that make me completely pro abortion.
in a word NO.

A little give and take from both sides would go a long way.

As for the cut off date...... never mind you will just go into what you
are saying above. Lets just say i would think at the eight month mark it
is too late for abortion. i am not conceding that it is a person until it
is born.

As for your statement, "end of story until that changes just get over
it." I'd like to point out that refusing to hire homosexuals was legal
(by the absence of laws stating otherwise) once. Blacks not being
allowed to vote was legal once. Ownership of human beings was legal
once. Trading in children was legal once. Just because something is
"legal" doesn't make it "right".

so then are you saying that the first four you quoted should be put back
in place?

No. I'm saying the obvious. Namely, "Just because something is "legal"
doesn't make it "right"." But I think you knew that. You're an
intelligent person. Please don't play stupid games. :-)

i'm not, just wondering why specifically you would bring up homosexuality?

Because up until recently, sexual orientation was not protected. In certain
matters, being a "homosexual" meant that you received lesser protection than
if you weren't. Being a "not yet born" even if that also means "but very
close to being born" is not protected either. I think it should be.
.

User: "BOB"
Title: Re: Mother Of Seven Arrested Without Warning For Showing Abortion Image	03 Oct 2006 09:49:45 PM

"Jeff Stapleton" <dilagetto@hotmail.com> wrote in
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"Peter D" <please@.sk> wrote in message
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"Jeff Stapleton" <dilagetto@hotmail.com> wrote

"Peter D" <please@.sk> wrote in message

Abortion is not "legal" in the sense that it is allowed. However,
it isn't "illegal" in the sense that it is forbidden. There is no
law governing abortion. An abortionc an be performed up until the
child is viable by itself. Conceivably a day or even a minute
before birth a mother can request an aobrtion and if a doctor is
willing to perform it, it won't break any laws. That, I think, is
not a good thing.

but the problem there is what would be the appropriate cut-off date
(no pun intended)

I have no idea. You tell me. Your'e the one advocating for abortion.
It seems to me that you should have thought it through sufficiently
enough to have some sense of where you're willign to draw the line. I
always ask the pro-abortion advocate to tell me if the day before
birth is OK. I never get a straight answer. Usually all I get is
chatter about how a zygote or a fetus isn't a "person". Of course
that would be the answer to, "Is a zygote or a fetus a 'person'?"
not, "Do you think that it's OK to abort a baby the day before a
normal delivery?"

There are no "pro-abortion" advocates here. We are pro-choice
advocates...a big difference.

A little give and take from both sides would go a long way.

Forget the "sides". Why don't we just leave the reproductive decisions
up to the pregnant women and their doctors, as you mentioned above?

As for the cut off date...... never mind you will just go into what
you are saying above. Lets just say i would think at the eight month
mark it is too late for abortion. i am not conceding that it is a
person until it is born.

Then let's just "concede" the reproductive decisions to the pregnant
women.
<snip>
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User: "Peter D"
Title: Re: Mother Of Seven Arrested Without Warning For Showing Abortion Image	04 Oct 2006 12:39:45 PM

"BOB" <sd@sd.net> wrote in message news:Xns9851C9B0C216SD@70.169.32.36...

"Jeff Stapleton" <dilagetto@hotmail.com> wrote in
Does that make me completely pro abortion. in a word NO.

There are no "pro-abortion" advocates here. We are pro-choice
advocates...a big difference.

A play with words. If you wnat "pro-choice" then give the other side
"pro-life". If you want them to be "anti-choice" then live with
"pro-abortion". It's all word games.

User: "BOB"
Title: Re: Mother Of Seven Arrested Without Warning For Showing Abortion Image	04 Oct 2006 12:47:58 PM

"Peter D" <please@.sk> wrote in news:ylSUg.77035$MQ5.40456@newsfe15.lga:

"BOB" <sd@sd.net> wrote in message news:Xns9851C9B0C216SD@70.169.32.36...

"Jeff Stapleton" <dilagetto@hotmail.com> wrote in
Does that make me completely pro abortion. in a word NO.

There are no "pro-abortion" advocates here. We are pro-choice
advocates...a big difference.

A play with words.

Nope.

If you wnat "pro-choice" then give the other side
"pro-life".

Nope, pro-choice and anti-choice. (Anti-choicers are not "pro-life")

If you want them to be "anti-choice"

They are anti-choice whether I want them to be or not.

then live with
"pro-abortion". It's all word games.

Not word games. Here is the actual description from the American Heritage
dictionary.
pro-choice (pr�-chois�) adj.
Favoring or supporting the legal right of women and girls to choose whether
or not to continue a pregnancy to term.
Where do you see anything about "pro-abortion" in that description?

User: "Peter D"
Title: Re: Mother Of Seven Arrested Without Warning For Showing Abortion Image	04 Oct 2006 05:22:18 PM

Hi, Bob
You might as well say that someone is "pro-choice" or anti-choice" re
slavery. After all, a slave-ownner isn't going to force you to own them as
well.
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User: "BOB"
Title: Re: Mother Of Seven Arrested Without Warning For Showing Abortion Image	04 Oct 2006 07:42:24 PM

"Peter D" <please@.sk> wrote in news:ruWUg.77441$MQ5.70520@newsfe15.lga:

Hi, Bob

You might as well say that someone is "pro-choice" or anti-choice" re
slavery. After all, a slave-ownner isn't going to force you to own
them as well.

Non sequitur. We were talking about abortion-choice, not slavery.

User: "Carter"
Title: Re: Mother Of Seven Arrested Without Warning For Showing AbortionImage	04 Oct 2006 07:59:21 AM

BOB wrote:

"Jeff Stapleton" <dilagetto@hotmail.com> wrote in
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"Peter D" <please@.sk> wrote in message
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"Jeff Stapleton" <dilagetto@hotmail.com> wrote

"Peter D" <please@.sk> wrote in message

Abortion is not "legal" in the sense that it is allowed. However,
it isn't "illegal" in the sense that it is forbidden. There is no
law governing abortion. An abortionc an be performed up until the
child is viable by itself. Conceivably a day or even a minute
before birth a mother can request an aobrtion and if a doctor is
willing to perform it, it won't break any laws. That, I think, is
not a good thing.

but the problem there is what would be the appropriate cut-off date
(no pun intended)

I have no idea. You tell me. Your'e the one advocating for abortion.
It seems to me that you should have thought it through sufficiently
enough to have some sense of where you're willign to draw the line. I
always ask the pro-abortion advocate to tell me if the day before
birth is OK. I never get a straight answer. Usually all I get is
chatter about how a zygote or a fetus isn't a "person". Of course
that would be the answer to, "Is a zygote or a fetus a 'person'?"
not, "Do you think that it's OK to abort a baby the day before a
normal delivery?"

There are no "pro-abortion" advocates here. We are pro-choice
advocates...a big difference.

What's the difference, other than semantics?
Carter
.

User: "BOB"
Title: Re: Mother Of Seven Arrested Without Warning For Showing Abortion Image	04 Oct 2006 10:45:04 AM

Carter <per.ardua@ad.astra> wrote in news:JeOUg.83$cz.1690@ursa-
nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca:

BOB wrote:

"Jeff Stapleton" <dilagetto@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:_OEUg.87199$1T2.69652@pd7urf2no:

"Peter D" <please@.sk> wrote in message
news:8VvUg.1661$0F6.801@newsfe16.lga...

"Jeff Stapleton" <dilagetto@hotmail.com> wrote

"Peter D" <please@.sk> wrote in message

Abortion is not "legal" in the sense that it is allowed. However,
it isn't "illegal" in the sense that it is forbidden. There is no
law governing abortion. An abortionc an be performed up until the
child is viable by itself. Conceivably a day or even a minute
before birth a mother can request an aobrtion and if a doctor is
willing to perform it, it won't break any laws. That, I think, is
not a good thing.

but the problem there is what would be the appropriate cut-off date
(no pun intended)

I have no idea. You tell me. Your'e the one advocating for abortion.
It seems to me that you should have thought it through sufficiently
enough to have some sense of where you're willign to draw the line. I
always ask the pro-abortion advocate to tell me if the day before
birth is OK. I never get a straight answer. Usually all I get is
chatter about how a zygote or a fetus isn't a "person". Of course
that would be the answer to, "Is a zygote or a fetus a 'person'?"
not, "Do you think that it's OK to abort a baby the day before a
normal delivery?"

There are no "pro-abortion" advocates here. We are pro-choice
advocates...a big difference.

What's the difference, other than semantics?

Carter

pro-choice (pr�-chois�) adj.
Favoring or supporting the legal right of women and girls to choose whether
or not to continue a pregnancy to term.
Can you find anything (or anyone) advocating "abortion" here? If so, show
your evidence.

.

User: "Carter"
Title: Re: Mother Of Seven Arrested Without Warning For Showing AbortionImage	04 Oct 2006 05:50:46 PM

BOB wrote:

Carter <per.ardua@ad.astra> wrote in news:JeOUg.83$cz.1690@ursa-
nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca:
=20

BOB wrote:

"Jeff Stapleton" <dilagetto@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:_OEUg.87199$1T2.69652@pd7urf2no:=20

"Peter D" <please@.sk> wrote in message=20
news:8VvUg.1661$0F6.801@newsfe16.lga...

"Jeff Stapleton" <dilagetto@hotmail.com> wrote

"Peter D" <please@.sk> wrote in message

Abortion is not "legal" in the sense that it is allowed. However,=
it isn't "illegal" in the sense that it is forbidden. There is no=
law governing abortion. An abortionc an be performed up until the=
child is viable by itself. Conceivably a day or even a minute
before birth a mother can request an aobrtion and if a doctor is
willing to perform it, it won't break any laws. That, I think, is=
not a good thing.=20

but the problem there is what would be the appropriate cut-off dat=

(no pun intended)

I have no idea. You tell me. Your'e the one advocating for abortion=

=2E

It seems to me that you should have thought it through sufficiently=
enough to have some sense of where you're willign to draw the line.=

always ask the pro-abortion advocate to tell me if the day before
birth is OK. I never get a straight answer. Usually all I get is
chatter about how a zygote or a fetus isn't a "person". Of course
that would be the answer to, "Is a zygote or a fetus a 'person'?"
not, "Do you think that it's OK to abort a baby the day before a
normal delivery?"=20

i do have a problem with zealots being involved in what is in my
opinion between a woman and her doctor.

There are some very valid reasons for abortion in some cases yet the=
anti abortion crowd won't have any of that. they say "all" abortion =

wrong. I happen to disagree with that. Does that make me completely
pro abortion. in a word NO.

There are no "pro-abortion" advocates here. We are pro-choice=20
advocates...a big difference.

What's the difference, other than semantics?

Carter

pro-choice (pr=BD-chois=93) adj.=20
Favoring or supporting the legal right of women and girls to choose whe=

ther=20

or not to continue a pregnancy to term.
=20
Can you find anything (or anyone) advocating "abortion" here? If so, s=

how=20

your evidence.
=20

Of course I can. The phrase '...to choose whether or not to=20
continue a pregnancy to term...' The choice to not do so is the=20
choice to abort. The choice to continue is the choice not to abort.
The term pro-choice is nothing more than semantics developed by=20
pro-abortionists in an attempt to make their stance more=20
palatable to the naive.
Carter
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