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"Sound of Trumpet" |
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07 Jun 2006 02:31:26 PM |
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Mother Teresa: The Fruit Of Abortion Is Nuclear War |
http://www.holyspiritinteractive.net/features/prolife/frank_06.asp
The Ripple Effect of Abortion
by Fr. Frank Pavone
Abortion harms our entire culture in ways we have not even begun to
imagine. We may at times be tempted to think that we are not
individually affected by the fact that others legally abort their
children. But abortion does affect us all, personally and directly,
whether we are aware of it or not.
The pro-life movement has done much to teach the public about the
destructive harm that abortion does to the unborn child. Most people
also have been informed about the negative impact abortion has on
women's health, as a result of the multiple physical and emotional
complications of the procedure. But taking a brief look at the other
circles of destruction brought on by abortion can be an even more
sobering experience.
The Survivors
First of all, what does abortion do to the children who survive?
Psychologists have now discovered "Abortion Survivor Syndrome," a
cluster of symptoms that mimic those of the soldiers who return from
battle, and instead of feeling happy that they survived, feel guilty
and anxious. "Could I have done something to keep my army buddy from
getting killed? Why was it him and not me?"
Dr. Philip Ney, a Canadian expert and child psychiatrist, explains that
children eventually ask, "I was born because mommy wanted me. What if
she stops wanting me?"
The impact of being an abortion survivor should not be ignored as we
try to understand why children shoot other children in schools. We've
taught them to do so when we taught them that their lives were
disposable. Children will not stop killing children until parents stop
killing children.
The prospect that one could have been legally killed by his or her own
parents is also a significant obstacle for our young people to hear the
Gospel message of the Father's unconditional love for them.
From Generation to Generation
Abortion leads to more abortion, as well as to various forms of child
abuse. One of the biggest factors that will determine whether someone
will have an abortion is whether her mother had an abortion. The
reasons have to do with the way abortion affects the maternal bond. It
weakens and distorts it, and a woman who has an abortion faces
obstacles in her relationships with later children she brings to birth.
The act of aborting a child, rather than adjusting to the changes that
childbirth brings, constitutes a failure to mature and a regression in
one's development toward adult responsibility. This failure to mature
is one of the contributing causes of child abuse.
The Helpless Cry
Abortion threatens the survival of the human species itself, because it
introduces a distortion into the human response to the infant's
helpless cry. When a crying baby awakens her parents in the middle of
the night, initial annoyance quickly gives way to tenderness toward the
child in need. The very survival of the species depends on our overall
ability to make that transition. Abortion, by definition, is a
deliberate refusal to hear and respond to the helpless cry.
Dr. Ney writes, "Human response to the helpless cry of their young
will determine if the human species survives. The helpless cry is any
sound or signal that alerts a person that some creature is in distress
and cannot help him/herself . . . Anyone with any humanity in him or
herself must react in one way or another. The helpless cry is an
essential crisis . . . It is an accurate gauge of how human we are as
individuals and how civilized we are collectively. It will determine
whether we become more free, more mature, and more loving, or whether
we become insensitive, dehumanized, and hateful."
Marriage
Abortion destroys marriages and male-female relations generally. The
woman who has aborted a child finds it more difficult to trust the man.
Her relationship with him led to the unspeakable pain of abortion.
Meanwhile, the man finds in abortion an easy way to escape
responsibility for his actions. The fact that the law does not give
fathers a say in whether their own unborn children live or die means
that fathers are less willing to take responsibility for those children
before and after birth, and less willing to bond with them. If they are
not attached to the baby, moreover, they are not as supportive of their
partner.
Government
When our government allowed abortion, it became a different kind of
government than what it was founded to be. There are only two forms of
government. The first acknowledges that God gives us our rights, and
that government exists to secure those rights. In such a framework,
government can't tamper with the right to life, and can never
authorize its destruction.
The second form, however, says that government is the source of those
rights, and therefore has full dominion over life and death. The Pope
comments on this in Evangelium Vitae: "In this way democracy,
contradicting its own principles, effectively moves toward a form of
totalitarianism. The State is no longer the 'common home' where all
can live together on the basis of principles of fundamental equality,
but is transformed into a tyrant State, which arrogates to itself the
right to dispose of the life of the weakest and most defenseless
members. . . . When this happens, the process leading to the breakdown
of a genuinely human coexistence and the disintegration of the State
itself has already begun. . . . This is the death of true freedom"
(no. 20).
Abortion has wrought havoc on our political system, practically
destroying one of our national parties and hijacking the
constitutionally provided method for filling positions on federal
courts.
Other effects in law have been described as "the abortion
distortion." In various states, for example, pro-abortion forces have
begun to shut down avenues of free speech, such as specialty license
plate programs or tow banner advertising, just to prevent the truth of
abortion from being told.
The Church
The well-being of the Church is also at stake because of the abortion
controversy. The more the "ethic" of abortion is embedded in the
laws and practices of society, the more strained are the Church's
relations with government. The Church, after all, must interact with
government leaders on a wide range of programs that serve the people
and advance the Church's interests. But as was painfully evident in
recent controversies over whether pro-abortion politicians should be
allowed to receive Holy Communion or even appear on Church property,
the constant presence of legal abortion-and public officials who are
willing to keep it legal-will provide a source of continued conflict.
At the same time, positions on abortion are reduced, in public
commentary, to "political" positions. Given the fact that many
attorneys who advise the Church give unnecessarily restrictive legal
advice, the bottom line is that there is a chilling effect on the
freedom of the clergy-and others in ministry-to comment on
abortion. This strains the credibility of the Church, as people try to
figure out why more leadership is not evident from the pulpit on what
the bishops themselves have called the most fundamental civil rights
issue of our day.
The Medical Community
Legal abortion distorts the purpose and slows the progress of medicine.
Doctors are being reduced to their pre-Hippocratic oath days when they
were seen as dispensers of both life and death. The inherent link
between the medical profession and the care of life is being denied and
obscured. Moreover, if defects in a child are handled by aborting the
child, motivation to make medical progress in treating such defects is
deterred.
At the same time, if embryos can be destroyed, they can also be
manipulated, experimented on, sold, or combined with other species.
Bioethical oddities of immense proportions aThe fruit of abortion is
nuclear warre on the horizon.
Security
Ultimately, the economy and security of the nation and the world are
threatened by abortion. Destroying 40 million lives in a generation
can't happen without consequences, starting with the aging of the
population, with fewer younger workers supporting the system.
Moreover, how can we maintain peace between nations if we cannot
maintain peace between a mother and her own child? As Mother Teresa
warned, "If we say that a mother can kill her own child, how can we
tell other people not to kill each other? . . . The fruit of abortion
is nuclear war."
We have only skimmed the surface here and have truly not begun to
appreciate the destructive power of abortion. May we, as individuals
and as a society, face up to the truth about abortion and its many
dimensions before it is too late.
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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| Title: Re: Mother Teresa: The Fruit Of Abortion Is Nuclear War |
07 Jun 2006 04:30:38 PM |
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"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote in
news:1149708686.531995.265850@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com:
http://www.holyspiritinteractive.net/features/prolife/frank_06.asp
Mother Teresa....The Ghoul of Calcutta. Second most disgusting person after
Vlad the Impaler.
Mother Teresa...torturer, thief, *****, and money worshipping *****.
The ***** should have died a slow death of bone or pancreatic cancer
and been denied any pain meds whatsoever. "It is good to suffer"
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| User: "Bill M" |
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| Title: Re: Mother Teresa: The Fruit Of Abortion Is Nuclear War |
08 Jun 2006 04:01:29 PM |
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"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
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http://www.holyspiritinteractive.net/features/prolife/frank_06.asp
The Ripple Effect of Abortion
by Fr. Frank Pavone
Abortion harms our entire culture in ways we have not even begun to
imagine. We may at times be tempted to think that we are not
individually affected by the fact that others legally abort their
children. But abortion does affect us all, personally and directly,
whether we are aware of it or not.
Your absolutly correct. Abortion by reducing the growth in world over
population is of untold beneifit
to all of us. It reduces water and air polution; delays the depletion of
natural and vital resources and
slows the depletion of the oceans fish populations. We really need more
abortions!
The pro-life movement has done much to teach the public about the
destructive harm that abortion does to the unborn child. Most people
also have been informed about the negative impact abortion has on
women's health, as a result of the multiple physical and emotional
complications of the procedure. But taking a brief look at the other
circles of destruction brought on by abortion can be an even more
sobering experience.
The Survivors
First of all, what does abortion do to the children who survive?
Psychologists have now discovered "Abortion Survivor Syndrome," a
cluster of symptoms that mimic those of the soldiers who return from
battle, and instead of feeling happy that they survived, feel guilty
and anxious. "Could I have done something to keep my army buddy from
getting killed? Why was it him and not me?"
Dr. Philip Ney, a Canadian expert and child psychiatrist, explains that
children eventually ask, "I was born because mommy wanted me. What if
she stops wanting me?"
The impact of being an abortion survivor should not be ignored as we
try to understand why children shoot other children in schools. We've
taught them to do so when we taught them that their lives were
disposable. Children will not stop killing children until parents stop
killing children.
The prospect that one could have been legally killed by his or her own
parents is also a significant obstacle for our young people to hear the
Gospel message of the Father's unconditional love for them.
From Generation to Generation
Abortion leads to more abortion, as well as to various forms of child
abuse. One of the biggest factors that will determine whether someone
will have an abortion is whether her mother had an abortion. The
reasons have to do with the way abortion affects the maternal bond. It
weakens and distorts it, and a woman who has an abortion faces
obstacles in her relationships with later children she brings to birth.
The act of aborting a child, rather than adjusting to the changes that
childbirth brings, constitutes a failure to mature and a regression in
one's development toward adult responsibility. This failure to mature
is one of the contributing causes of child abuse.
The Helpless Cry
Abortion threatens the survival of the human species itself, because it
introduces a distortion into the human response to the infant's
helpless cry. When a crying baby awakens her parents in the middle of
the night, initial annoyance quickly gives way to tenderness toward the
child in need. The very survival of the species depends on our overall
ability to make that transition. Abortion, by definition, is a
deliberate refusal to hear and respond to the helpless cry.
Dr. Ney writes, "Human response to the helpless cry of their young
will determine if the human species survives. The helpless cry is any
sound or signal that alerts a person that some creature is in distress
and cannot help him/herself . . . Anyone with any humanity in him or
herself must react in one way or another. The helpless cry is an
essential crisis . . . It is an accurate gauge of how human we are as
individuals and how civilized we are collectively. It will determine
whether we become more free, more mature, and more loving, or whether
we become insensitive, dehumanized, and hateful."
Marriage
Abortion destroys marriages and male-female relations generally. The
woman who has aborted a child finds it more difficult to trust the man.
Her relationship with him led to the unspeakable pain of abortion.
Meanwhile, the man finds in abortion an easy way to escape
responsibility for his actions. The fact that the law does not give
fathers a say in whether their own unborn children live or die means
that fathers are less willing to take responsibility for those children
before and after birth, and less willing to bond with them. If they are
not attached to the baby, moreover, they are not as supportive of their
partner.
Government
When our government allowed abortion, it became a different kind of
government than what it was founded to be. There are only two forms of
government. The first acknowledges that God gives us our rights, and
that government exists to secure those rights. In such a framework,
government can't tamper with the right to life, and can never
authorize its destruction.
The second form, however, says that government is the source of those
rights, and therefore has full dominion over life and death. The Pope
comments on this in Evangelium Vitae: "In this way democracy,
contradicting its own principles, effectively moves toward a form of
totalitarianism. The State is no longer the 'common home' where all
can live together on the basis of principles of fundamental equality,
but is transformed into a tyrant State, which arrogates to itself the
right to dispose of the life of the weakest and most defenseless
members. . . . When this happens, the process leading to the breakdown
of a genuinely human coexistence and the disintegration of the State
itself has already begun. . . . This is the death of true freedom"
(no. 20).
Abortion has wrought havoc on our political system, practically
destroying one of our national parties and hijacking the
constitutionally provided method for filling positions on federal
courts.
Other effects in law have been described as "the abortion
distortion." In various states, for example, pro-abortion forces have
begun to shut down avenues of free speech, such as specialty license
plate programs or tow banner advertising, just to prevent the truth of
abortion from being told.
The Church
The well-being of the Church is also at stake because of the abortion
controversy. The more the "ethic" of abortion is embedded in the
laws and practices of society, the more strained are the Church's
relations with government. The Church, after all, must interact with
government leaders on a wide range of programs that serve the people
and advance the Church's interests. But as was painfully evident in
recent controversies over whether pro-abortion politicians should be
allowed to receive Holy Communion or even appear on Church property,
the constant presence of legal abortion-and public officials who are
willing to keep it legal-will provide a source of continued conflict.
At the same time, positions on abortion are reduced, in public
commentary, to "political" positions. Given the fact that many
attorneys who advise the Church give unnecessarily restrictive legal
advice, the bottom line is that there is a chilling effect on the
freedom of the clergy-and others in ministry-to comment on
abortion. This strains the credibility of the Church, as people try to
figure out why more leadership is not evident from the pulpit on what
the bishops themselves have called the most fundamental civil rights
issue of our day.
The Medical Community
Legal abortion distorts the purpose and slows the progress of medicine.
Doctors are being reduced to their pre-Hippocratic oath days when they
were seen as dispensers of both life and death. The inherent link
between the medical profession and the care of life is being denied and
obscured. Moreover, if defects in a child are handled by aborting the
child, motivation to make medical progress in treating such defects is
deterred.
At the same time, if embryos can be destroyed, they can also be
manipulated, experimented on, sold, or combined with other species.
Bioethical oddities of immense proportions aThe fruit of abortion is
nuclear warre on the horizon.
Security
Ultimately, the economy and security of the nation and the world are
threatened by abortion. Destroying 40 million lives in a generation
can't happen without consequences, starting with the aging of the
population, with fewer younger workers supporting the system.
Moreover, how can we maintain peace between nations if we cannot
maintain peace between a mother and her own child? As Mother Teresa
warned, "If we say that a mother can kill her own child, how can we
tell other people not to kill each other? . . . The fruit of abortion
is nuclear war."
We have only skimmed the surface here and have truly not begun to
appreciate the destructive power of abortion. May we, as individuals
and as a society, face up to the truth about abortion and its many
dimensions before it is too late.
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| Title: Re: Mother Teresa: The Fruit Of Abortion Is Nuclear War |
07 Jun 2006 03:04:21 PM |
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"Today her sisters continue to reuse the same blunt dirty needles on
their patients, over and over again, not because they can't afford
clean ones, but because pain is good for the soul, and, they continue
to not give anyone any pain killers, again because pain is good for the
soul, as Mother T. told the reporters, including a story she told of a
man suffering terribly from cancer, she told him, "Jesus is kissing
you," to which the man replied, "then I wish he'd stop." She chuckled
after repeating the suffering man's genuine heartfelt response."
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| User: "Colin Day" |
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07 Jun 2006 04:36:20 PM |
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Pastor Kutchie wrote:
"Today her sisters continue to reuse the same blunt dirty needles on
their patients, over and over again, not because they can't afford
clean ones, but because pain is good for the soul, and, they continue
to not give anyone any pain killers, again because pain is good for the
soul, as Mother T. told the reporters, including a story she told of a
man suffering terribly from cancer, she told him, "Jesus is kissing
you," to which the man replied, "then I wish he'd stop." She chuckled
after repeating the suffering man's genuine heartfelt response."
http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/religion/mother_teresa.html
See also:
http://macintyre.com/content/view/533/105/
Colin Day aa #1500
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| User: "Attila2" |
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| Title: Re: Mother Teresa: The Fruit Of Abortion Is Nuclear War |
07 Jun 2006 03:56:30 PM |
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On 7 Jun 2006 12:31:26 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> in alt.abortion with message-id
<1149708686.531995.265850@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> wrote:
More religious propagandizing.
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| User: "Antonio Forza" |
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09 Jun 2006 08:15:52 AM |
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On 7 Jun 2006 12:31:26 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote:
Ultimately, the economy and security of the nation and the world are
threatened by abortion. Destroying 40 million lives in a generation
can't happen without consequences, starting with the aging of the
population, with fewer younger workers supporting the system.
Human population has skyrocketed from 1.5 billion to 6.5 billion over
the last couple hundred years. If we had an additional 40 million
people on the planet from each generation, each breeding MORE people,
humanity would be even more screwed than it currently is.
Those who are tring to ban abortion are truly insane.
--
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http://mentalanarchy.com
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| User: "Michael Price" |
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10 Jun 2006 06:17:30 AM |
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Antonio Forza wrote:
On 7 Jun 2006 12:31:26 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote:
Ultimately, the economy and security of the nation and the world are
threatened by abortion. Destroying 40 million lives in a generation
can't happen without consequences, starting with the aging of the
population, with fewer younger workers supporting the system.
Human population has skyrocketed from 1.5 billion to 6.5 billion over
the last couple hundred years. If we had an additional 40 million
people on the planet from each generation, each breeding MORE people,
humanity would be even more screwed than it currently is.
And it's also the period with the greatest increase in per-person
wealth.
The problem of poverty is the problem of coercion not overpopulation.
Africa feeds itself easily when it's not shooting itself, so how can it
be
overpopulated? India is growing fast despite bugger all success in
reducing
their numbers.
That said Mother T. was a useless, vicious *****.
Those who are tring to ban abortion are truly insane.
No, they just like pushing people around.
--
Mental Anarchy - Free Your Mind
http://mentalanarchy.com
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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10 Jun 2006 10:19:50 AM |
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Michael Price <nini_pad@yahoo.com> wrote:
Antonio Forza wrote:
On 7 Jun 2006 12:31:26 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote:
Ultimately, the economy and security of the nation and the world are
threatened by abortion. Destroying 40 million lives in a generation
can't happen without consequences, starting with the aging of the
population, with fewer younger workers supporting the system.
Human population has skyrocketed from 1.5 billion to 6.5 billion over
the last couple hundred years. If we had an additional 40 million
people on the planet from each generation, each breeding MORE people,
humanity would be even more screwed than it currently is.
And it's also the period with the greatest increase in per-person
wealth.
The problem of poverty is the problem of coercion not overpopulation.
Idiotic propaganda.
Africa feeds itself easily when it's not shooting itself,
Obviously not.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "•R L Measures" |
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09 Jun 2006 09:06:01 AM |
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In article <1ssi821s6efgc8a1dvn5uh6v8bnmdnkrg1@4ax.com>, Antonio Forza
<antonioforza@yahoo.com> wrote:
On 7 Jun 2006 12:31:26 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote:
Ultimately, the economy and security of the nation and the world are
threatened by abortion. Destroying 40 million lives in a generation
can't happen without consequences, starting with the aging of the
population, with fewer younger workers supporting the system.
Human population has skyrocketed from 1.5 billion to 6.5 billion over
the last couple hundred years. ...
• My guess is that 1.5B to 6B took closer to 100-years. This planet is
being screwed up by screwing. Mo' humans are not always mo' betta.
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09 Jun 2006 11:08:48 AM |
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=B7R L Measures wrote:
In article <1ssi821s6efgc8a1dvn5uh6v8bnmdnkrg1@4ax.com>, Antonio Forza
<antonioforza@yahoo.com> wrote:
On 7 Jun 2006 12:31:26 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote:
Ultimately, the economy and security of the nation and the world are
threatened by abortion. Destroying 40 million lives in a generation
can't happen without consequences, starting with the aging of the
population, with fewer younger workers supporting the system.
Human population has skyrocketed from 1.5 billion to 6.5 billion over
the last couple hundred years. ...
=B7 My guess is that 1.5B to 6B took closer to 100-years. This planet is
being screwed up by screwing. Mo' humans are not always mo' betta.
They are if you enjoy suffering, as MT was reputed to do.
(Other peoples', anyway.)
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| User: "Peter Michael" |
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09 Jun 2006 09:22:09 PM |
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The populaton of the entire world could fit into a city the size of Texas.
The ENTIRE rest of the planet would be open, uninhabited space.
With these facts, those who argue we need abortion to contain population
growth are truly insane.
"Antonio Forza" <antonioforza@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1ssi821s6efgc8a1dvn5uh6v8bnmdnkrg1@4ax.com...
On 7 Jun 2006 12:31:26 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote:
Ultimately, the economy and security of the nation and the world are
threatened by abortion. Destroying 40 million lives in a generation
can't happen without consequences, starting with the aging of the
population, with fewer younger workers supporting the system.
Human population has skyrocketed from 1.5 billion to 6.5 billion over
the last couple hundred years. If we had an additional 40 million
people on the planet from each generation, each breeding MORE people,
humanity would be even more screwed than it currently is.
Those who are tring to ban abortion are truly insane.
--
Mental Anarchy - Free Your Mind
http://mentalanarchy.com
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| User: "•R L Measures" |
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09 Jun 2006 09:34:08 PM |
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In article <8fednXPxss1IsRfZnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@comcast.com>, "Peter Michael"
<john653@comcast.net> wrote:
The populaton of the entire world could fit into a city the size of Texas.
The ENTIRE rest of the planet would be open, uninhabited space.
With these facts, those who argue we need abortion to contain population
growth are truly insane.
• With 6.3-billion humanoids in an area the size of Texas, they would be
drowning in their own feculence within a fortnight.
"Antonio Forza" <antonioforza@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1ssi821s6efgc8a1dvn5uh6v8bnmdnkrg1@4ax.com...
On 7 Jun 2006 12:31:26 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote:
Ultimately, the economy and security of the nation and the world are
threatened by abortion. Destroying 40 million lives in a generation
can't happen without consequences, starting with the aging of the
population, with fewer younger workers supporting the system.
Human population has skyrocketed from 1.5 billion to 6.5 billion over
the last couple hundred years. If we had an additional 40 million
people on the planet from each generation, each breeding MORE people,
humanity would be even more screwed than it currently is.
Those who are tring to ban abortion are truly insane.
--
Mental Anarchy - Free Your Mind
http://mentalanarchy.com
--
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Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "Gunner" |
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10 Jun 2006 02:18:32 AM |
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On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:34:08 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <8fednXPxss1IsRfZnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@comcast.com>, "Peter Michael"
<john653@comcast.net> wrote:
The populaton of the entire world could fit into a city the size of Texas.
The ENTIRE rest of the planet would be open, uninhabited space.
With these facts, those who argue we need abortion to contain population
growth are truly insane.
• With 6.3-billion humanoids in an area the size of Texas, they would be
drowning in their own feculence within a fortnight.
actually..they all could have a split level ranch house of about 1500
sqr feet on a urban sized lot and still fit in Texas. Good septic
tanks would be manditory.
Gunner
"Antonio Forza" <antonioforza@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1ssi821s6efgc8a1dvn5uh6v8bnmdnkrg1@4ax.com...
On 7 Jun 2006 12:31:26 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote:
Ultimately, the economy and security of the nation and the world are
threatened by abortion. Destroying 40 million lives in a generation
can't happen without consequences, starting with the aging of the
population, with fewer younger workers supporting the system.
Human population has skyrocketed from 1.5 billion to 6.5 billion over
the last couple hundred years. If we had an additional 40 million
people on the planet from each generation, each breeding MORE people,
humanity would be even more screwed than it currently is.
Those who are tring to ban abortion are truly insane.
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Mental Anarchy - Free Your Mind
http://mentalanarchy.com
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10 Jun 2006 10:19:13 AM |
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Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:34:08 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <8fednXPxss1IsRfZnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@comcast.com>, "Peter Michael"
<john653@comcast.net> wrote:
The populaton of the entire world could fit into a city the size of Texas.
The ENTIRE rest of the planet would be open, uninhabited space.
With these facts, those who argue we need abortion to contain population
growth are truly insane.
• With 6.3-billion humanoids in an area the size of Texas, they would be
drowning in their own feculence within a fortnight.
actually..they all could have a split level ranch house of about 1500
sqr feet on a urban sized lot and still fit in Texas. Good septic
tanks would be manditory.
Septic tanks on a urban-sized lot would be worthless.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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11 Jun 2006 04:43:38 AM |
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On 10 Jun 2006 15:19:13 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:34:08 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <8fednXPxss1IsRfZnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@comcast.com>, "Peter Michael"
<john653@comcast.net> wrote:
The populaton of the entire world could fit into a city the size of Texas.
The ENTIRE rest of the planet would be open, uninhabited space.
With these facts, those who argue we need abortion to contain population
growth are truly insane.
• With 6.3-billion humanoids in an area the size of Texas, they would be
drowning in their own feculence within a fortnight.
actually..they all could have a split level ranch house of about 1500
sqr feet on a urban sized lot and still fit in Texas. Good septic
tanks would be manditory.
Septic tanks on a urban-sized lot would be worthless.
How so? Never seen a vertical dry well?
Come on over to my homestead and see one.
Gunner
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.
Think of it as having your older brother knock the ***** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner
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11 Jun 2006 11:58:51 AM |
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Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
r@somis.org (•R L Measures) wrote:
The populaton of the entire world could fit into a city the size of Texas.
The ENTIRE rest of the planet would be open, uninhabited space.
With these facts, those who argue we need abortion to contain population
growth are truly insane.
• With 6.3-billion humanoids in an area the size of Texas, they would be
drowning in their own feculence within a fortnight.
actually..they all could have a split level ranch house of about 1500
sqr feet on a urban sized lot and still fit in Texas. Good septic
tanks would be manditory.
Septic tanks on a urban-sized lot would be worthless.
How so? Never seen a vertical dry well?
Come on over to my homestead and see one.
"Homestead"? As in more than an urban-sized plot of land?
That's a clue, dimwit.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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11 Jun 2006 12:45:15 PM |
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On 11 Jun 2006 16:58:51 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
r@somis.org (•R L Measures) wrote:
The populaton of the entire world could fit into a city the size of Texas.
The ENTIRE rest of the planet would be open, uninhabited space.
With these facts, those who argue we need abortion to contain population
growth are truly insane.
• With 6.3-billion humanoids in an area the size of Texas, they would be
drowning in their own feculence within a fortnight.
actually..they all could have a split level ranch house of about 1500
sqr feet on a urban sized lot and still fit in Texas. Good septic
tanks would be manditory.
Septic tanks on a urban-sized lot would be worthless.
How so? Never seen a vertical dry well?
Come on over to my homestead and see one.
"Homestead"? As in more than an urban-sized plot of land?
That's a clue, dimwit.
Define homestead. and urban sized plot.
A verticle dry well fits neatly on a urban sized plot of land. No large
leech field required.
My dry well and septic tank take up an area 30' long, by 10' wide in
total. It could have been less, but I wanted room to drill another dry
well in the future.
Gunner
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.
Think of it as having your older brother knock the ***** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner
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11 Jun 2006 02:11:05 PM |
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Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
On 11 Jun 2006 16:58:51 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
r@somis.org (•R L Measures) wrote:
The populaton of the entire world could fit into a city the size of Texas.
The ENTIRE rest of the planet would be open, uninhabited space.
With these facts, those who argue we need abortion to contain population
growth are truly insane.
• With 6.3-billion humanoids in an area the size of Texas, they would be
drowning in their own feculence within a fortnight.
actually..they all could have a split level ranch house of about 1500
sqr feet on a urban sized lot and still fit in Texas. Good septic
tanks would be manditory.
Septic tanks on a urban-sized lot would be worthless.
How so? Never seen a vertical dry well?
Come on over to my homestead and see one.
"Homestead"? As in more than an urban-sized plot of land?
That's a clue, dimwit.
Define homestead. and urban sized plot.
You're the one using the terms and you don't know what they mean?
3000 square feet for a family of four.
A verticle dry well fits neatly on a urban sized plot of land.
So what? You still can't dump an arbitrary amount of stuff in it.
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Ray Fischer
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11 Jun 2006 02:53:28 PM |
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On 11 Jun 2006 19:11:05 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
On 11 Jun 2006 16:58:51 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
r@somis.org (•R L Measures) wrote:
The populaton of the entire world could fit into a city the size of Texas.
The ENTIRE rest of the planet would be open, uninhabited space.
With these facts, those who argue we need abortion to contain population
growth are truly insane.
• With 6.3-billion humanoids in an area the size of Texas, they would be
drowning in their own feculence within a fortnight.
actually..they all could have a split level ranch house of about 1500
sqr feet on a urban sized lot and still fit in Texas. Good septic
tanks would be manditory.
Septic tanks on a urban-sized lot would be worthless.
How so? Never seen a vertical dry well?
Come on over to my homestead and see one.
"Homestead"? As in more than an urban-sized plot of land?
That's a clue, dimwit.
Define homestead. and urban sized plot.
You're the one using the terms and you don't know what they mean?
3000 square feet for a family of four.
A verticle dry well fits neatly on a urban sized plot of land.
So what? You still can't dump an arbitrary amount of stuff in it.
You cant put an "arbitrary amount of stuff" in a pickup truck either.
There are proper ways to care and maintain any septic system. Millions
of Americans prove this every day on average size urban lots. And 3000
sqr feet is mighty damned small for most city lots throughout most of
the US. But still more than doable.
Do you have cites to the contrary? Please provide them
Gunner
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.
Think of it as having your older brother knock the ***** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner
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| Title: Re: Mother Teresa: The Fruit Of Abortion Is Nuclear War |
11 Jun 2006 04:14:30 PM |
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Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
On 11 Jun 2006 19:11:05 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
On 11 Jun 2006 16:58:51 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
r@somis.org (•R L Measures) wrote:
The populaton of the entire world could fit into a city the size of Texas.
The ENTIRE rest of the planet would be open, uninhabited space.
With these facts, those who argue we need abortion to contain population
growth are truly insane.
• With 6.3-billion humanoids in an area the size of Texas, they would be
drowning in their own feculence within a fortnight.
actually..they all could have a split level ranch house of about 1500
sqr feet on a urban sized lot and still fit in Texas. Good septic
tanks would be manditory.
Septic tanks on a urban-sized lot would be worthless.
How so? Never seen a vertical dry well?
Come on over to my homestead and see one.
"Homestead"? As in more than an urban-sized plot of land?
That's a clue, dimwit.
Define homestead. and urban sized plot.
You're the one using the terms and you don't know what they mean?
3000 square feet for a family of four.
A verticle dry well fits neatly on a urban sized plot of land.
So what? You still can't dump an arbitrary amount of stuff in it.
You cant put an "arbitrary amount of stuff" in a pickup truck either.
Which makes your ideas quite stupid, doesn't it?
There are proper ways to care and maintain any septic system.
There are stupid ideas about cramming the world's population into
Texas.
Millions
of Americans prove this every day on average size urban lots.
Try not to be more dishonest than you have to be. Americans aren't
confined to small lots.
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Ray Fischer
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11 Jun 2006 06:30:08 PM |
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On 11 Jun 2006 21:14:30 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
You cant put an "arbitrary amount of stuff" in a pickup truck either.
Which makes your ideas quite stupid, doesn't it?
Having a septic tank on a normal sized lot is stupid?
There are proper ways to care and maintain any septic system.
There are stupid ideas about cramming the world's population into
Texas.
It was simply an illistration of the size of the population in regards
to total land mass of the planet. I take it you missed that part while
you were working up bile and spittle?
Millions
of Americans prove this every day on average size urban lots.
Try not to be more dishonest than you have to be. Americans aren't
confined to small lots.
Wasnt it you who said they lived on 3000 and then 4000 sf lots?
Seems to me you are a liar and a wanker.
--
Ray Fischer
Ill bet your mum is ashamed of you.
Gunner
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.
Think of it as having your older brother knock the ***** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner
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| Title: Re: Mother Teresa: The Fruit Of Abortion Is Nuclear War |
11 Jun 2006 07:00:32 PM |
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Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
You cant put an "arbitrary amount of stuff" in a pickup truck either.
Which makes your ideas quite stupid, doesn't it?
Having a septic tank on a normal sized lot is stupid?
There are proper ways to care and maintain any septic system.
There are stupid ideas about cramming the world's population into
Texas.
It was simply an illistration of the size of the population in regards
to total land mass of the planet.
You could fit the entire world's population into a single square mile.
Is that also a useful illustration?
Millions
of Americans prove this every day on average size urban lots.
Try not to be more dishonest than you have to be. Americans aren't
confined to small lots.
Wasnt it you who said they lived on 3000 and then 4000 sf lots?
No, it wasn't.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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11 Jun 2006 06:02:56 AM |
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In article <qdpn821rqbkff52rks02i98ogjq2iotfgo@4ax.com>,
gunner@lightspeed.net wrote:
On 10 Jun 2006 15:19:13 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:34:08 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <8fednXPxss1IsRfZnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@comcast.com>, "Peter Michael"
<john653@comcast.net> wrote:
The populaton of the entire world could fit into a city the size of
Texas.
The ENTIRE rest of the planet would be open, uninhabited space.
With these facts, those who argue we need abortion to contain population
growth are truly insane.
• With 6.3-billion humanoids in an area the size of Texas, they would be
drowning in their own feculence within a fortnight.
actually..they all could have a split level ranch house of about 1500
sqr feet on a urban sized lot and still fit in Texas. Good septic
tanks would be manditory.
Septic tanks on a urban-sized lot would be worthless.
How so? Never seen a vertical dry well?
• The trouble with seepage pits is eventual contamination of ground water.
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11 Jun 2006 12:42:57 PM |
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On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 04:02:56 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <qdpn821rqbkff52rks02i98ogjq2iotfgo@4ax.com>,
gunner@lightspeed.net wrote:
On 10 Jun 2006 15:19:13 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:34:08 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <8fednXPxss1IsRfZnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@comcast.com>, "Peter Michael"
<john653@comcast.net> wrote:
The populaton of the entire world could fit into a city the size of
Texas.
The ENTIRE rest of the planet would be open, uninhabited space.
With these facts, those who argue we need abortion to contain population
growth are truly insane.
• With 6.3-billion humanoids in an area the size of Texas, they would be
drowning in their own feculence within a fortnight.
actually..they all could have a split level ranch house of about 1500
sqr feet on a urban sized lot and still fit in Texas. Good septic
tanks would be manditory.
Septic tanks on a urban-sized lot would be worthless.
How so? Never seen a vertical dry well?
• The trouble with seepage pits is eventual contamination of ground water.
Ah..in some places with a high water table, indeed. Most of Texas, and
here in California..ground water is 300-500 feet down.
Gunner
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.
Think of it as having your older brother knock the ***** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner
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| Title: Re: Mother Teresa: The Fruit Of Abortion Is Nuclear War |
11 Jun 2006 10:43:13 PM |
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In article <rflo82tqonb9ifooq3dt3fjid25lcn2h4n@4ax.com>,
gunner@lightspeed.net wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 04:02:56 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <qdpn821rqbkff52rks02i98ogjq2iotfgo@4ax.com>,
gunner@lightspeed.net wrote:
On 10 Jun 2006 15:19:13 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:34:08 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <8fednXPxss1IsRfZnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@comcast.com>, "Peter
Michael"
<john653@comcast.net> wrote:
The populaton of the entire world could fit into a city the size of
Texas.
The ENTIRE rest of the planet would be open, uninhabited space.
With these facts, those who argue we need abortion to contain
population
growth are truly insane.
• With 6.3-billion humanoids in an area the size of Texas, they
would be
drowning in their own feculence within a fortnight.
actually..they all could have a split level ranch house of about 1500
sqr feet on a urban sized lot and still fit in Texas. Good septic
tanks would be manditory.
Septic tanks on a urban-sized lot would be worthless.
How so? Never seen a vertical dry well?
• The trouble with seepage pits is eventual contamination of ground water.
Ah..in some places with a high water table, indeed. Most of Texas, and
here in California..ground water is 300-500 feet down.
• Where I grew up. the ground water was c. 8ft down.
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12 Jun 2006 07:22:29 AM |
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On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 20:43:13 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <rflo82tqonb9ifooq3dt3fjid25lcn2h4n@4ax.com>,
gunner@lightspeed.net wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 04:02:56 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <qdpn821rqbkff52rks02i98ogjq2iotfgo@4ax.com>,
gunner@lightspeed.net wrote:
On 10 Jun 2006 15:19:13 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:34:08 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <8fednXPxss1IsRfZnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@comcast.com>, "Peter
Michael"
<john653@comcast.net> wrote:
The populaton of the entire world could fit into a city the size of
Texas.
The ENTIRE rest of the planet would be open, uninhabited space.
With these facts, those who argue we need abortion to contain
population
growth are truly insane.
• With 6.3-billion humanoids in an area the size of Texas, they
would be
drowning in their own feculence within a fortnight.
actually..they all could have a split level ranch house of about 1500
sqr feet on a urban sized lot and still fit in Texas. Good septic
tanks would be manditory.
Septic tanks on a urban-sized lot would be worthless.
How so? Never seen a vertical dry well?
• The trouble with seepage pits is eventual contamination of ground water.
Ah..in some places with a high water table, indeed. Most of Texas, and
here in California..ground water is 300-500 feet down.
• Where I grew up. the ground water was c. 8ft down.
River bank or the Ofikanoi Swamp?
Gunner
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.
Think of it as having your older brother knock the ***** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner
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| Title: Re: Mother Teresa: The Fruit Of Abortion Is Nuclear War |
12 Jun 2006 10:13:37 AM |
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In article <63nq82dc16a9o4hh742bv4bi34h62m411c@4ax.com>,
gunner@lightspeed.net wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 20:43:13 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <rflo82tqonb9ifooq3dt3fjid25lcn2h4n@4ax.com>,
gunner@lightspeed.net wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 04:02:56 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <qdpn821rqbkff52rks02i98ogjq2iotfgo@4ax.com>,
gunner@lightspeed.net wrote:
On 10 Jun 2006 15:19:13 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:34:08 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <8fednXPxss1IsRfZnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@comcast.com>, "Peter
Michael"
<john653@comcast.net> wrote:
The populaton of the entire world could fit into a city the size of
Texas.
The ENTIRE rest of the planet would be open, uninhabited space.
With these facts, those who argue we need abortion to contain
population
growth are truly insane.
• With 6.3-billion humanoids in an area the size of Texas, they
would be
drowning in their own feculence within a fortnight.
actually..they all could have a split level ranch house of about 1500
sqr feet on a urban sized lot and still fit in Texas. Good septic
tanks would be manditory.
Septic tanks on a urban-sized lot would be worthless.
How so? Never seen a vertical dry well?
• The trouble with seepage pits is eventual contamination of ground
water.
Ah..in some places with a high water table, indeed. Most of Texas, and
here in California..ground water is 300-500 feet down.
• Where I grew up. the ground water was c. 8ft down.
River bank or the Ofikanoi Swamp?
• Oxnard, CA. 2mi South the ground water emerged in a park.
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| Title: Re: Mother Teresa: The Fruit Of Abortion Is Nuclear War |
12 Jun 2006 11:42:05 AM |
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On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 08:13:37 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <63nq82dc16a9o4hh742bv4bi34h62m411c@4ax.com>,
gunner@lightspeed.net wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 20:43:13 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <rflo82tqonb9ifooq3dt3fjid25lcn2h4n@4ax.com>,
gunner@lightspeed.net wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 04:02:56 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <qdpn821rqbkff52rks02i98ogjq2iotfgo@4ax.com>,
gunner@lightspeed.net wrote:
On 10 Jun 2006 15:19:13 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:34:08 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <8fednXPxss1IsRfZnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@comcast.com>, "Peter
Michael"
<john653@comcast.net> wrote:
The populaton of the entire world could fit into a city the size of
Texas.
The ENTIRE rest of the planet would be open, uninhabited space.
With these facts, those who argue we need abortion to contain
population
growth are truly insane.
• With 6.3-billion humanoids in an area the size of Texas, they
would be
drowning in their own feculence within a fortnight.
actually..they all could have a split level ranch house of about 1500
sqr feet on a urban sized lot and still fit in Texas. Good septic
tanks would be manditory.
Septic tanks on a urban-sized lot would be worthless.
How so? Never seen a vertical dry well?
• The trouble with seepage pits is eventual contamination of ground
water.
Ah..in some places with a high water table, indeed. Most of Texas, and
here in California..ground water is 300-500 feet down.
• Where I grew up. the ground water was c. 8ft down.
River bank or the Ofikanoi Swamp?
• Oxnard, CA. 2mi South the ground water emerged in a park.
Indeed. Oxnard is largely tidal marsh turned into farming and your area
is likely over a river.
Oxnard is about 80 miles from me. Our water table runs 350-500 feet
Gunner
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.
Think of it as having your older brother knock the ***** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner
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| Title: Re: Mother Teresa: The Fruit Of Abortion Is Nuclear War |
12 Jun 2006 07:36:14 PM |
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In article <686r82524ft30u331fie48edb45jrnusbk@4ax.com>,
gunner@lightspeed.net wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 08:13:37 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <63nq82dc16a9o4hh742bv4bi34h62m411c@4ax.com>,
gunner@lightspeed.net wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 20:43:13 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <rflo82tqonb9ifooq3dt3fjid25lcn2h4n@4ax.com>,
gunner@lightspeed.net wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 04:02:56 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <qdpn821rqbkff52rks02i98ogjq2iotfgo@4ax.com>,
gunner@lightspeed.net wrote:
On 10 Jun 2006 15:19:13 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:34:08 -0700, (•R L
Measures) wrote:
In article <8fednXPxss1IsRfZnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@comcast.com>, "Peter
Michael"
<john653@comcast.net> wrote:
The populaton of the entire world could fit into a city
the size of
Texas.
The ENTIRE rest of the planet would be open, uninhabited space.
With these facts, those who argue we need abortion to contain
population
growth are truly insane.
• With 6.3-billion humanoids in an area the size of Texas, they
would be
drowning in their own feculence within a fortnight.
actually..they all could have a split level ranch house of
about 1500
sqr feet on a urban sized lot and still fit in Texas. Good septic
tanks would be manditory.
Septic tanks on a urban-sized lot would be worthless.
How so? Never seen a vertical dry well?
• The trouble with seepage pits is eventual contamination of ground
water.
Ah..in some places with a high water table, indeed. Most of Texas, and
here in California..ground water is 300-500 feet down.
• Where I grew up. the ground water was c. 8ft down.
River bank or the Ofikanoi Swamp?
• Oxnard, CA. 2mi South the ground water emerged in a park.
Indeed. Oxnard is largely tidal marsh turned into farming and your area
is likely over a river.
Oxnard is about 80 miles from me. Our water table runs 350-500 feet
• The location where water is 8' down is c. 45-feet above sea-level.
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12 Jun 2006 09:49:21 PM |
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On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:36:14 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <686r82524ft30u331fie48edb45jrnusbk@4ax.com>,
gunner@lightspeed.net wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 08:13:37 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <63nq82dc16a9o4hh742bv4bi34h62m411c@4ax.com>,
gunner@lightspeed.net wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 20:43:13 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <rflo82tqonb9ifooq3dt3fjid25lcn2h4n@4ax.com>,
gunner@lightspeed.net wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 04:02:56 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <qdpn821rqbkff52rks02i98ogjq2iotfgo@4ax.com>,
gunner@lightspeed.net wrote:
On 10 Jun 2006 15:19:13 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:34:08 -0700, (•R L
Measures) wrote:
In article <8fednXPxss1IsRfZnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@comcast.com>, "Peter
Michael"
<john653@comcast.net> wrote:
The populaton of the entire world could fit into a city
the size of
Texas.
The ENTIRE rest of the planet would be open, uninhabited space.
With these facts, those who argue we need abortion to contain
population
growth are truly insane.
• With 6.3-billion humanoids in an area the size of Texas, they
would be
drowning in their own feculence within a fortnight.
actually..they all could have a split level ranch house of
about 1500
sqr feet on a urban sized lot and still fit in Texas. Good septic
tanks would be manditory.
Septic tanks on a urban-sized lot would be worthless.
How so? Never seen a vertical dry well?
• The trouble with seepage pits is eventual contamination of ground
water.
Ah..in some places with a high water table, indeed. Most of Texas, and
here in California..ground water is 300-500 feet down.
• Where I grew up. the ground water was c. 8ft down.
River bank or the Ofikanoi Swamp?
• Oxnard, CA. 2mi South the ground water emerged in a park.
Indeed. Oxnard is largely tidal marsh turned into farming and your area
is likely over a river.
Oxnard is about 80 miles from me. Our water table runs 350-500 feet
• The location where water is 8' down is c. 45-feet above sea-level.
Not uncommon. One often finds entire lakes above the 5000' level.
As I said..you are probably over a river.
Gunner
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.
Think of it as having your older brother knock the ***** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner
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