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25 Jan 2006 04:43:27 PM |
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Mother Theresa: The Fruit Of Abortion Is Nuclear War |
http://www.holyspiritinteractive.net/features/prolife/frank_06.asp
The Ripple Effect of Abortion
by Fr. Frank Pavone
Abortion harms our entire culture in ways we have not even begun to
imagine. We may at times be tempted to think that we are not
individually affected by the fact that others legally abort their
children. But abortion does affect us all, personally and directly,
whether we are aware of it or not.
The pro-life movement has done much to teach the public about the
destructive harm that abortion does to the unborn child. Most people
also have been informed about the negative impact abortion has on
women's health, as a result of the multiple physical and emotional
complications of the procedure. But taking a brief look at the other
circles of destruction brought on by abortion can be an even more
sobering experience.
The Survivors
First of all, what does abortion do to the children who survive?
Psychologists have now discovered "Abortion Survivor Syndrome," a
cluster of symptoms that mimic those of the soldiers who return from
battle, and instead of feeling happy that they survived, feel guilty
and anxious. "Could I have done something to keep my army buddy from
getting killed? Why was it him and not me?"
Dr. Philip Ney, a Canadian expert and child psychiatrist, explains that
children eventually ask, "I was born because mommy wanted me. What if
she stops wanting me?"
The impact of being an abortion survivor should not be ignored as we
try to understand why children shoot other children in schools. We've
taught them to do so when we taught them that their lives were
disposable. Children will not stop killing children until parents stop
killing children.
The prospect that one could have been legally killed by his or her own
parents is also a significant obstacle for our young people to hear the
Gospel message of the Father's unconditional love for them.
From Generation to Generation
Abortion leads to more abortion, as well as to various forms of child
abuse. One of the biggest factors that will determine whether someone
will have an abortion is whether her mother had an abortion. The
reasons have to do with the way abortion affects the maternal bond. It
weakens and distorts it, and a woman who has an abortion faces
obstacles in her relationships with later children she brings to birth.
The act of aborting a child, rather than adjusting to the changes that
childbirth brings, constitutes a failure to mature and a regression in
one's development toward adult responsibility. This failure to mature
is one of the contributing causes of child abuse.
The Helpless Cry
Abortion threatens the survival of the human species itself, because it
introduces a distortion into the human response to the infant's
helpless cry. When a crying baby awakens her parents in the middle of
the night, initial annoyance quickly gives way to tenderness toward the
child in need. The very survival of the species depends on our overall
ability to make that transition. Abortion, by definition, is a
deliberate refusal to hear and respond to the helpless cry.
Dr. Ney writes, "Human response to the helpless cry of their young
will determine if the human species survives. The helpless cry is any
sound or signal that alerts a person that some creature is in distress
and cannot help him/herself . . . Anyone with any humanity in him or
herself must react in one way or another. The helpless cry is an
essential crisis . . . It is an accurate gauge of how human we are as
individuals and how civilized we are collectively. It will determine
whether we become more free, more mature, and more loving, or whether
we become insensitive, dehumanized, and hateful."
Marriage
Abortion destroys marriages and male-female relations generally. The
woman who has aborted a child finds it more difficult to trust the man.
Her relationship with him led to the unspeakable pain of abortion.
Meanwhile, the man finds in abortion an easy way to escape
responsibility for his actions. The fact that the law does not give
fathers a say in whether their own unborn children live or die means
that fathers are less willing to take responsibility for those children
before and after birth, and less willing to bond with them. If they are
not attached to the baby, moreover, they are not as supportive of their
partner.
Government
When our government allowed abortion, it became a different kind of
government than what it was founded to be. There are only two forms of
government. The first acknowledges that God gives us our rights, and
that government exists to secure those rights. In such a framework,
government can't tamper with the right to life, and can never
authorize its destruction.
The second form, however, says that government is the source of those
rights, and therefore has full dominion over life and death. The Pope
comments on this in Evangelium Vitae: "In this way democracy,
contradicting its own principles, effectively moves toward a form of
totalitarianism. The State is no longer the 'common home' where all
can live together on the basis of principles of fundamental equality,
but is transformed into a tyrant State, which arrogates to itself the
right to dispose of the life of the weakest and most defenseless
members. . . . When this happens, the process leading to the breakdown
of a genuinely human coexistence and the disintegration of the State
itself has already begun. . . . This is the death of true freedom"
(no. 20).
Abortion has wrought havoc on our political system, practically
destroying one of our national parties and hijacking the
constitutionally provided method for filling positions on federal
courts.
Other effects in law have been described as "the abortion
distortion." In various states, for example, pro-abortion forces have
begun to shut down avenues of free speech, such as specialty license
plate programs or tow banner advertising, just to prevent the truth of
abortion from being told.
The Church
The well-being of the Church is also at stake because of the abortion
controversy. The more the "ethic" of abortion is embedded in the
laws and practices of society, the more strained are the Church's
relations with government. The Church, after all, must interact with
government leaders on a wide range of programs that serve the people
and advance the Church's interests. But as was painfully evident in
recent controversies over whether pro-abortion politicians should be
allowed to receive Holy Communion or even appear on Church property,
the constant presence of legal abortion-and public officials who are
willing to keep it legal-will provide a source of continued conflict.
At the same time, positions on abortion are reduced, in public
commentary, to "political" positions. Given the fact that many
attorneys who advise the Church give unnecessarily restrictive legal
advice, the bottom line is that there is a chilling effect on the
freedom of the clergy-and others in ministry-to comment on
abortion. This strains the credibility of the Church, as people try to
figure out why more leadership is not evident from the pulpit on what
the bishops themselves have called the most fundamental civil rights
issue of our day.
The Medical Community
Legal abortion distorts the purpose and slows the progress of medicine.
Doctors are being reduced to their pre-Hippocratic oath days when they
were seen as dispensers of both life and death. The inherent link
between the medical profession and the care of life is being denied and
obscured. Moreover, if defects in a child are handled by aborting the
child, motivation to make medical progress in treating such defects is
deterred.
At the same time, if embryos can be destroyed, they can also be
manipulated, experimented on, sold, or combined with other species.
Bioethical oddities of immense proportions aThe fruit of abortion is
nuclear warre on the horizon.
Security
Ultimately, the economy and security of the nation and the world are
threatened by abortion. Destroying 40 million lives in a generation
can't happen without consequences, starting with the aging of the
population, with fewer younger workers supporting the system.
Moreover, how can we maintain peace between nations if we cannot
maintain peace between a mother and her own child? As Mother Teresa
warned, "If we say that a mother can kill her own child, how can we
tell other people not to kill each other? . . . The fruit of abortion
is nuclear war."
We have only skimmed the surface here and have truly not begun to
appreciate the destructive power of abortion. May we, as individuals
and as a society, face up to the truth about abortion and its many
dimensions before it is too late.
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| User: "junegill" |
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26 Jan 2006 12:29:34 AM |
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Security
Ultimately, the economy and security of the nation and the world are
threatened by abortion. Destroying 40 million lives in a generation
can't happen without consequences, starting with the aging of the
population, with fewer younger workers supporting the system.
The vast majority of women who have an abortion go on to produce a couple of
children later, when their circumstances have improved - children who
wouldn't have existed had their mothers been forced to carry to term when
they were unable to cope, thereby jeopardising their chances of establishing
a stable relationship in which to produce and care for children.
Moreover, how can we maintain peace between nations if we cannot
maintain peace between a mother and her own child? As Mother Teresa
warned, "If we say that a mother can kill her own child, how can we
tell other people not to kill each other? . . . The fruit of abortion
is nuclear war."
Strange then that when nuclear weapons were used in war abortion was
illegal; and no nuclear weapons have been used in war since abortion was
legalised.
--
June G
# 364
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| User: "bam" |
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26 Jan 2006 10:03:00 AM |
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"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> wrote
The vast majority of women who have an abortion go on to produce a couple
of
children later, when their circumstances have improved - children who
wouldn't have existed had their mothers been forced to carry to term when
they were unable to cope, thereby jeopardising their chances of
establishing
a stable relationship in which to produce and care for children.
So...................it's OK to kill babies?
Great logic.
BAM
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| User: "junegill" |
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26 Jan 2006 11:10:46 AM |
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
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"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> wrote
The vast majority of women who have an abortion go on to produce a
couple
of
children later, when their circumstances have improved - children who
wouldn't have existed had their mothers been forced to carry to term
when
they were unable to cope, thereby jeopardising their chances of
establishing
a stable relationship in which to produce and care for children.
So...................it's OK to kill babies?
Never. Fortunately abortion kills no babies.
Great logic.
You snipped the paragraph to which I was responding, which was bemoaning the
loss of younger workers to support the system. The fact that women who
abort go on to have other children shows that abortion is not the cause of
fewer younger workers.
--
June G
# 364
http://uk.geocities.com/junegill@btopenworld.com/webpages/index.html.html
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| User: "bam" |
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| Title: Re: Mother Theresa: The Fruit Of Abortion Is Nuclear War |
26 Jan 2006 12:43:31 PM |
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"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
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"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> wrote
The vast majority of women who have an abortion go on to produce a
couple
of
children later, when their circumstances have improved - children who
wouldn't have existed had their mothers been forced to carry to term
when
they were unable to cope, thereby jeopardising their chances of
establishing
a stable relationship in which to produce and care for children.
So...................it's OK to kill babies?
Never. Fortunately abortion kills no babies.
That's about all abortion does.
Great logic.
You snipped the paragraph to which I was responding, which was bemoaning
the
loss of younger workers to support the system. The fact that women who
abort go on to have other children shows that abortion is not the cause of
fewer younger workers.
Who cares? Abortion is killing.
BAM
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| User: "junegill" |
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26 Jan 2006 04:42:25 PM |
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
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"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> wrote
The vast majority of women who have an abortion go on to produce a
couple
of
children later, when their circumstances have improved - children who
wouldn't have existed had their mothers been forced to carry to term
when
they were unable to cope, thereby jeopardising their chances of
establishing
a stable relationship in which to produce and care for children.
So...................it's OK to kill babies?
Never. Fortunately abortion kills no babies.
That's about all abortion does.
I've already explained to you that the fertilised egg has as much chance of
becoming a mass of one or two types of tissue, such as bone, as it has of
becoming a baby, but you don't want to know this, and, because you have no
answer to it, you ignore it, then repeat the same tired assertions in other
threads. This makes you a bore as well as a wannabe rapist.
Great logic.
You snipped the paragraph to which I was responding, which was bemoaning
the
loss of younger workers to support the system. The fact that women who
abort go on to have other children shows that abortion is not the cause
of
fewer younger workers.
Who cares? Abortion is killing.
Clearly you don't care. All you seem to care about is forcing women to
endure the agony of childbirth against their will.
--
June G
# 364
http://uk.geocities.com/junegill@btopenworld.com/webpages/index.html.html
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| User: "bam" |
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26 Jan 2006 08:13:09 PM |
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"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> wrote
The vast majority of women who have an abortion go on to produce a
couple
of
children later, when their circumstances have improved - children
who
wouldn't have existed had their mothers been forced to carry to term
when
they were unable to cope, thereby jeopardising their chances of
establishing
a stable relationship in which to produce and care for children.
So...................it's OK to kill babies?
Never. Fortunately abortion kills no babies.
That's about all abortion does.
I've already explained to you that the fertilised egg has as much chance
of
becoming a mass of one or two types of tissue, such as bone, as it has of
becoming a baby, but you don't want to know this, and, because you have no
answer to it, you ignore it, then repeat the same tired assertions in
other
threads. This makes you a bore as well as a wannabe rapist.
Great logic.
You snipped the paragraph to which I was responding, which was
bemoaning
the
loss of younger workers to support the system. The fact that women who
abort go on to have other children shows that abortion is not the cause
of
fewer younger workers.
Who cares? Abortion is killing.
Clearly you don't care. All you seem to care about is forcing women to
endure the agony of childbirth against their will.
Who put the baby there you dolt?
I don't imagine the careless sex that produced the baby was particualrly
agonizing, and there's a no reason to believe that the baby's death is not
agonizing to the infant.
It's murder - believe it or go to hell.
BAM
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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26 Jan 2006 09:55:51 PM |
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> writes:
"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> wrote
The vast majority of women who have an abortion go on to produce a
couple of children later, when their circumstances have improved -
children who wouldn't have existed had their mothers been forced to
carry to term when they were unable to cope, thereby jeopardising
their chances of establishing a stable relationship in which to
produce and care for children.
So...................it's OK to kill babies?
Never. Fortunately abortion kills no babies.
That's about all abortion does.
I've already explained to you that the fertilised egg has as much chance of
becoming a mass of one or two types of tissue, such as bone, as it has of
becoming a baby, but you don't want to know this, and, because you have no
answer to it, you ignore it, then repeat the same tired assertions in other
threads. This makes you a bore as well as a wannabe rapist.
Great logic.
You snipped the paragraph to which I was responding, which was bemoaning
the loss of younger workers to support the system. The fact that women
who abort go on to have other children shows that abortion is not the
cause of fewer younger workers.
Who cares? Abortion is killing.
Clearly you don't care. All you seem to care about is forcing women to
endure the agony of childbirth against their will.
Who put the baby there you dolt?
Another idiot who assumes that consent to sex equals consent to pregnancy.
I don't imagine the careless sex that produced the baby was particualrly
agonizing, and there's a no reason to believe that the baby's death is not
agonizing to the infant.
It's murder - believe it or go to hell.
Shove your "church" back up your *****, South Coast Crackpot. Your opinion, a
dollar, and a swift kick to your dead head will get you downtown on
Metrorail. Do the math.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Peoria 3, Houston 0 (January 24)
NEXT GAME: Thursday, January 26 at Iowa, 7:05
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| User: "Malcolm" |
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27 Jan 2006 06:55:04 PM |
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"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@io.com> wrote
Who put the baby there you dolt?
Another idiot who assumes that consent to sex equals consent to pregnancy.
Why do you think humans have sex?
If you want to have sex, but not a baby, use two forms of contraception (eg
condom and pill), or even three forms. Then if one fails, which happens
occasionally, the other will be there as backup.
Why are people so stupid?
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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27 Jan 2006 07:57:45 PM |
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Malcolm <regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote:
"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@io.com> wrote
Who put the baby there you dolt?
Another idiot who assumes that consent to sex equals consent to pregnancy.
Why do you think humans have sex?
Because it is fun. You might discover that for yourself someday.
If you want to have sex, but not a baby, use two forms of contraception
If you don't want to be murdered then don't be an *****.
[...]
Why are people so stupid?
Why do you think that getting pregnant should be a crime?
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "bam" |
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27 Jan 2006 04:48:15 AM |
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"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@io.com> wrote
Who put the baby there you dolt?
Another idiot who assumes that consent to sex equals consent to pregnancy.
Don't put words in my mouth punk. If one consents to the cause, one consents
to the effect.
Shove your "church" back up your *****, South Coast Crackpot. Your opinion,
a
dollar, and a swift kick to your dead head will get you downtown on
Metrorail. Do the math.
Anytime bubba - anytime.
BAM
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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27 Jan 2006 12:09:14 PM |
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> writes:
"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@io.com> wrote
Who put the baby there you dolt?
Another idiot who assumes that consent to sex equals consent to pregnancy.
Don't put words in my mouth punk. If one consents to the cause, one consents
to the effect.
Sorry, but the world doesn't run by the rules you imagine in your rusted
trailer. Women will continue to make their own choices, and there's damn all
you can do about stopping them. I've defended clinics from crackheads like
you.
Shove your "church" back up your *****, South Coast Crackpot. Your opinion,
a dollar, and a swift kick to your dead head will get you downtown on
Metrorail. Do the math.
Anytime bubba - anytime.
You'd rather kill yourself than show up anywhere near where I live...because
this isn't a place Klansmen like you would be comfortable.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Peoria 3, Houston 0 (January 24)
NEXT GAME: Thursday, January 26 at Iowa, 7:05
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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27 Jan 2006 11:57:43 AM |
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bam <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@io.com> wrote
Who put the baby there you dolt?
Another idiot who assumes that consent to sex equals consent to pregnancy.
Don't put words in my mouth punk. If one consents to the cause, one consents
to the effect.
Thus you agree to be killed because you know that living inevitably
results in dying.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "junegill" |
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| Title: Re: Mother Theresa: The Fruit Of Abortion Is Nuclear War |
27 Jan 2006 04:08:51 AM |
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
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"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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The vast majority of women who have an abortion go on to produce a
couple
of
children later, when their circumstances have improved - children
who
wouldn't have existed had their mothers been forced to carry to
term
when
they were unable to cope, thereby jeopardising their chances of
establishing
a stable relationship in which to produce and care for children.
So...................it's OK to kill babies?
Never. Fortunately abortion kills no babies.
That's about all abortion does.
I've already explained to you that the fertilised egg has as much chance
of
becoming a mass of one or two types of tissue, such as bone, as it has
of
becoming a baby, but you don't want to know this, and, because you have
no
answer to it, you ignore it, then repeat the same tired assertions in
other
threads. This makes you a bore as well as a wannabe rapist.
Great logic.
You snipped the paragraph to which I was responding, which was
bemoaning
the
loss of younger workers to support the system. The fact that women
who
abort go on to have other children shows that abortion is not the
cause
of
fewer younger workers.
Who cares? Abortion is killing.
Clearly you don't care. All you seem to care about is forcing women to
endure the agony of childbirth against their will.
Who put the baby there you dolt?
Neither of the potential parents, as you obviously think. No woman can
decide to become pregnant. It's all down to the fertilised egg, which
initiates everything to do with pregnancy and labour. All that a woman can
do is provide the opportunity for an ovum to be fertilised.
I don't imagine the careless sex that produced the baby was particualrly
agonizing,
Hopefully it was very pleasurable to both parties. How careless is sex
between a married couple who use contraceptives? They can fail, you know,
and I have two children who are a testament to that.
and there's a no reason to believe that the baby's death is not
agonizing to the infant.
There's every reason to believe it, because before the neurons are connected
to the brain at about 24 weeks, it's impossible for the foetus to feel pain.
It's murder - believe it or go to hell.
It is not murder, and there's no such place as hell ... unless you have some
proof that such a place exists?
--
June G
# 364
http://uk.geocities.com/junegill@btopenworld.com/webpages/index.html.html
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| User: "bam" |
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27 Jan 2006 04:51:24 AM |
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"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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The vast majority of women who have an abortion go on to produce
a
couple
of
children later, when their circumstances have improved - children
who
wouldn't have existed had their mothers been forced to carry to
term
when
they were unable to cope, thereby jeopardising their chances of
establishing
a stable relationship in which to produce and care for children.
So...................it's OK to kill babies?
Never. Fortunately abortion kills no babies.
That's about all abortion does.
I've already explained to you that the fertilised egg has as much
chance
of
becoming a mass of one or two types of tissue, such as bone, as it has
of
becoming a baby, but you don't want to know this, and, because you have
no
answer to it, you ignore it, then repeat the same tired assertions in
other
threads. This makes you a bore as well as a wannabe rapist.
Great logic.
You snipped the paragraph to which I was responding, which was
bemoaning
the
loss of younger workers to support the system. The fact that women
who
abort go on to have other children shows that abortion is not the
cause
of
fewer younger workers.
Who cares? Abortion is killing.
Clearly you don't care. All you seem to care about is forcing women to
endure the agony of childbirth against their will.
Who put the baby there you dolt?
Neither of the potential parents, as you obviously think.
I'd hang you for that if I had the power. And it would be justly deserved.
No woman can
decide to become pregnant. It's all down to the fertilised egg, which
initiates everything to do with pregnancy and labour. All that a woman
can
do is provide the opportunity for an ovum to be fertilised.
Those would be your final words.
Hopefully it was very pleasurable to both parties. How careless is sex
between a married couple who use contraceptives? They can fail, you know,
and I have two children who are a testament to that.
I"m sure they'll take good care of you in your old age.
and there's a no reason to believe that the baby's death is not
agonizing to the infant.
There's every reason to believe it, because before the neurons are
connected
to the brain at about 24 weeks, it's impossible for the foetus to feel
pain.
How the f would you know? And even if I could prove they did feel pain - you
still wouldn't give a sh-t.
It's murder - believe it or go to hell.
It is not murder, and there's no such place as hell ... unless you have
some
proof that such a place exists?
You'll be there soon enough - you already are to some extent.
BAM
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27 Jan 2006 12:03:44 PM |
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> writes:
"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
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"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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The vast majority of women who have an abortion go on to produce a
couple of children later, when their circumstances have improved -
children who wouldn't have existed had their mothers been forced
to carry to term when they were unable to cope, thereby
jeopardising their chances of establishing a stable relationship
in which to produce and care for children.
So...................it's OK to kill babies?
Never. Fortunately abortion kills no babies.
That's about all abortion does.
I've already explained to you that the fertilised egg has as much chance
of becoming a mass of one or two types of tissue, such as bone, as it
has of becoming a baby, but you don't want to know this, and, because
you have no answer to it, you ignore it, then repeat the same tired
assertions in other threads. This makes you a bore as well as a wannabe
rapist.
Great logic.
You snipped the paragraph to which I was responding, which was
bemoaning the loss of younger workers to support the system. The
fact that women who abort go on to have other children shows that
abortion is not the cause of fewer younger workers.
Who cares? Abortion is killing.
Clearly you don't care. All you seem to care about is forcing women to
endure the agony of childbirth against their will.
Who put the baby there you dolt?
Neither of the potential parents, as you obviously think.
I'd hang you for that if I had the power. And it would be justly deserved.
You'll never have the power, little Hitlerjugend reject. Thanks for
confessing to wanting to assault people for nothing more than their opinions.
Maybe you should move to the Middle East or the PRC, where that's a popular
practice.
No woman can decide to become pregnant. It's all down to the fertilised
egg, which initiates everything to do with pregnancy and labour. All that
a woman can do is provide the opportunity for an ovum to be fertilised.
Those would be your final words.
You're a sick little slug, if you actually are serious.
Hopefully it was very pleasurable to both parties. How careless is sex
between a married couple who use contraceptives? They can fail, you know,
and I have two children who are a testament to that.
I"m sure they'll take good care of you in your old age.
Unlike you, they won't be advocating murder of people whose opinions aren't
their own.
and there's a no reason to believe that the baby's death is not
agonizing to the infant.
There's every reason to believe it, because before the neurons are
connected to the brain at about 24 weeks, it's impossible for the foetus to
feel pain.
How the f would you know? And even if I could prove they did feel pain - you
still wouldn't give a sh-t.
Obviously, she's got access to facts that your trailer-park neighbors wouldn't
understand, even if they were literate.
It's murder - believe it or go to hell.
It is not murder, and there's no such place as hell ... unless you have
some proof that such a place exists?
You'll be there soon enough - you already are to some extent.
Why would she be going to a town in Norway? (Or one in southeastern Michigan,
for that matter.)
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Peoria 3, Houston 0 (January 24)
NEXT GAME: Thursday, January 26 at Iowa, 7:05
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27 Jan 2006 09:33:47 AM |
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
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"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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[snip]
Who cares? Abortion is killing.
Clearly you don't care. All you seem to care about is forcing women
to
endure the agony of childbirth against their will.
Who put the baby there you dolt?
Neither of the potential parents, as you obviously think.
I'd hang you for that if I had the power.
I'm sure you would, and you'd no doubt hang anyone else who didn't hold the
same opinions as you, especially if they were women. What a testament to
Christianity you are - Jesus would be proud. [sarcasm]
And it would be justly deserved.
In what way? Why should stating proven facts warrant hanging?
No woman can
decide to become pregnant. It's all down to the fertilised egg, which
initiates everything to do with pregnancy and labour. All that a woman
can
do is provide the opportunity for an ovum to be fertilised.
Those would be your final words.
True ones then.
Hopefully it was very pleasurable to both parties. How careless is sex
between a married couple who use contraceptives? They can fail, you
know,
and I have two children who are a testament to that.
I"m sure they'll take good care of you in your old age.
They certainly would, but I love them too much to ever want to be a burden
to them and I plan on assisted suicide if or when I lose my independence.
and there's a no reason to believe that the baby's death is not
agonizing to the infant.
There's every reason to believe it, because before the neurons are
connected
to the brain at about 24 weeks, it's impossible for the foetus to feel
pain.
How the f would you know?
Because medical researchers have carried out tests on people with brain
damage, who are able to say whether something hurts or not. Where neurons
have been severed, they reported no pain or feeling on stimulation in the
area served by those neurons. No connection - no pain.
And even if I could prove they did feel pain - you
still wouldn't give a sh-t.
In that you are totally wrong. I happen to believe that pain is worse than
death.
It's murder - believe it or go to hell.
It is not murder, and there's no such place as hell ... unless you have
some
proof that such a place exists?
You'll be there soon enough
No proof, eh?
- you already are to some extent.
Well, if I'm already there, then hell's a great place - you can't get much
better than my current way of life.
--
June G
# 364
http://uk.geocities.com/junegill@btopenworld.com/webpages/index.html.html
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27 Jan 2006 10:57:43 AM |
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> wrote:
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote...
Who put the baby there you dolt?
Neither of the potential parents, as you obviously think.
I'd hang you for that if I had the power. And it would be justly deserved.
And people wonder why I say there is no such thing as a "pro-lifer".
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| User: "LC" |
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27 Jan 2006 12:02:51 PM |
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"Spartakus" <no.spam@this.address> wrote in message
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> wrote:
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote...
Who put the baby there you dolt?
Neither of the potential parents, as you obviously think.
I'd hang you for that if I had the power. And it would be justly
deserved.
And people wonder why I say there is no such thing as a "pro-lifer".
<G>
So...I guess this means that, for all his empty blather, bammy doesn't put
much credence in the Ten Suggestions?
LC~ Almost surprised. Almost.
"All the abortionists, lesbians, queers atheist and jews
agree with you. See who's side you're on?"
From: "bam" <mcca5...@bellsouthblahblah.net>
Message-ID: I9uUb.5165$UF1.3121@bignews6.bellsouth.net
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27 Jan 2006 11:58:28 AM |
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bam <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> wrote in message
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
Who put the baby there you dolt?
Neither of the potential parents, as you obviously think.
I'd hang you for that if I had the power. And it would be justly deserved.
Because you're a murderous fascist who would rather see people dead
than free.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "bam" |
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27 Jan 2006 07:15:33 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
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bam <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> wrote in message
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
Who put the baby there you dolt?
Neither of the potential parents, as you obviously think.
I'd hang you for that if I had the power. And it would be justly deserved.
Because you're a murderous fascist who would rather see people dead
than free.
No, but I'd rather see a living baby than a baby killer.
BAM
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27 Jan 2006 10:33:36 PM |
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> writes:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
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bam <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> wrote in message
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
Who put the baby there you dolt?
Neither of the potential parents, as you obviously think.
I'd hang you for that if I had the power. And it would be justly deserved.
Because you're a murderous fascist who would rather see people dead
than free.
No, but I'd rather see a living baby than a baby killer.
Go ahead and screech "babykiller" at anyone you deem to be pro-choice, if
it'll make you feel better. It won't be at all factual in 99.9+% of the
instances you use it, but you're apparently not concerned about that trivial
detail.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 2, Peoria 1 (January 27)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, January 28 vs. Chicago, 7:35
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| User: "bam" |
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27 Jan 2006 11:53:06 PM |
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"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> writes:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
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bam <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> wrote in message
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
Who put the baby there you dolt?
Neither of the potential parents, as you obviously think.
I'd hang you for that if I had the power. And it would be justly
deserved.
Because you're a murderous fascist who would rather see people dead
than free.
No, but I'd rather see a living baby than a baby killer.
Go ahead and screech "babykiller" at anyone you deem to be pro-choice, if
it'll make you feel better. It won't be at all factual in 99.9+% of the
instances you use it, but you're apparently not concerned about that
trivial
detail.
There will be a Civil War - God willing - see ya then.
BAM
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28 Jan 2006 12:24:13 AM |
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> writes:
"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> writes:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:43da5f44$0$58071$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
bam <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> wrote in message
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
Who put the baby there you dolt?
Neither of the potential parents, as you obviously think.
I'd hang you for that if I had the power. And it would be justly
deserved.
Because you're a murderous fascist who would rather see people dead
than free.
No, but I'd rather see a living baby than a baby killer.
Go ahead and screech "babykiller" at anyone you deem to be pro-choice, if
it'll make you feel better. It won't be at all factual in 99.9+% of the
instances you use it, but you're apparently not concerned about that
trivial detail.
There will be a Civil War - God willing - see ya then.
You'll never live to see me, as if your wet dream happens, you'll be fed to
the sharks off Florida. At least you'll do something good that way.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 2, Peoria 1 (January 27)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, January 28 vs. Chicago, 7:35
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28 Jan 2006 12:05:24 AM |
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bam <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> writes:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
bam <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> wrote in message
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
Who put the baby there you dolt?
Neither of the potential parents, as you obviously think.
I'd hang you for that if I had the power. And it would be justly
deserved.
Because you're a murderous fascist who would rather see people dead
than free.
No, but I'd rather see a living baby than a baby killer.
Go ahead and screech "babykiller" at anyone you deem to be pro-choice, if
it'll make you feel better. It won't be at all factual in 99.9+% of the
instances you use it, but you're apparently not concerned about that
trivial
detail.
There will be a Civil War - God willing - see ya then.
Quite the terrorist wannabe, arne't you?
When are you headed off to the training camp?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "" |
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28 Jan 2006 08:26:23 PM |
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On 27-Jan-2006, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com> wrote:
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> writes:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:43da5f44$0$58071$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
bam <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> wrote in message
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
Who put the baby there you dolt?
Neither of the potential parents, as you obviously think.
I'd hang you for that if I had the power.
Yeah, *this* is a keeper.....
And it would be justly
deserved.
Because you're a murderous fascist who would rather see people dead
than free.
No, but I'd rather see a living baby than a baby killer.
Go ahead and screech "babykiller" at anyone you deem to be pro-choice, if
it'll make you feel better. It won't be at all factual in 99.9+% of the
instances you use it, but you're apparently not concerned about that
trivial detail.
These bigots never are.
Susan
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29 Jan 2006 11:04:35 AM |
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<flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message news:jJVCf.6600$Cf7.3689@trnddc06...
On 27-Jan-2006, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com> wrote:
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> writes:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:43da5f44$0$58071$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
bam <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> wrote in message
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
Who put the baby there you dolt?
Neither of the potential parents, as you obviously think.
I'd hang you for that if I had the power.
Yeah, *this* is a keeper.....
And it would be justly
deserved.
Because you're a murderous fascist who would rather see people dead
than free.
No, but I'd rather see a living baby than a baby killer.
Go ahead and screech "babykiller" at anyone you deem to be pro-choice, if
it'll make you feel better. It won't be at all factual in 99.9+% of the
instances you use it, but you're apparently not concerned about that
trivial detail.
These bigots never are.
Susan
Hey Suzie - the Jews don't want you. You're an Irish abortionist ***** - you
have no value them.
BAM
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| Title: Re: Mother Theresa: The Fruit Of Abortion Is Nuclear War |
27 Jan 2006 07:58:34 PM |
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bam <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:43da5f44$0$58071$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
bam <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> wrote in message
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
Who put the baby there you dolt?
Neither of the potential parents, as you obviously think.
I'd hang you for that if I had the power. And it would be justly deserved.
Because you're a murderous fascist who would rather see people dead
than free.
No, but I'd rather see a living baby than a baby killer.
Nah. You don't care whether babies live or die.
You just want to force everybody to do as you say or die.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "bam" |
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27 Jan 2006 08:24:10 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:43dacfca$0$58115$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
bam <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:43da5f44$0$58071$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
bam <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> wrote in message
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
Who put the baby there you dolt?
Neither of the potential parents, as you obviously think.
I'd hang you for that if I had the power. And it would be justly
deserved.
Because you're a murderous fascist who would rather see people dead
than free.
No, but I'd rather see a living baby than a baby killer.
Nah. You don't care whether babies live or die.
You just want to force everybody to do as you say or die.
And you try to rationalize your sexual misbehavior by rearranging reality to
conform to your desires.
BAM
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27 Jan 2006 10:36:11 PM |
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> writes:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:43dacfca$0$58115$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
bam <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:43da5f44$0$58071$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
bam <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> wrote in message
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
Who put the baby there you dolt?
Neither of the potential parents, as you obviously think.
I'd hang you for that if I had the power. And it would be justly
deserved.
Because you're a murderous fascist who would rather see people dead
than free.
No, but I'd rather see a living baby than a baby killer.
Nah. You don't care whether babies live or die.
You just want to force everybody to do as you say or die.
And you try to rationalize your sexual misbehavior by rearranging reality to
conform to your desires.
You're an arrogant and presumptuous little git, to pretend you know anything
about anyone else's alleged sexual behavior. (But, then, you're the Klansman
wanna-be...)
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 2, Peoria 1 (January 27)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, January 28 vs. Chicago, 7:35
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28 Jan 2006 12:03:11 AM |
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bam <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
bam <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
bam <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> wrote in message
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
Who put the baby there you dolt?
Neither of the potential parents, as you obviously think.
I'd hang you for that if I had the power. And it would be justly
deserved.
Because you're a murderous fascist who would rather see people dead
than free.
No, but I'd rather see a living baby than a baby killer.
Nah. You don't care whether babies live or die.
You just want to force everybody to do as you say or die.
And you try to rationalize your sexual misbehavior by rearranging reality to
conform to your desires.
That doesn't even begin to make sense, bum. You're obvious beyond any
attempt at rational behavior.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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