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"J Young" |
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25 Sep 2004 01:54:11 PM |
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Motherhood: A gift |
Abortion advocates, blood dripping from their hands, spend each and
every day trying to convince young, confused, vunerable women that
killing their pre-born baby will eleviate all of their problems. They
dwell on all the negative aspects that motherhood brings and ignores
the fact that it is the most wonderful thing that will ever happen to
them. They tell you that the baby will interfere with bowling or
bingo. They don't tell them about the joy a child, raised with love,
will bring into their lives. The advocates of abortion are either
profiteers, men who don't want to fulfill their financial obligations,
or women that have serious issues with men. A child is a gift and
should be treated as such.
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| User: "Patrick Lee Humphrey" |
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25 Sep 2004 04:06:42 PM |
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(J Young) writes:
Abortion advocates, blood dripping from their hands, spend each and
every day trying to convince young, confused, vunerable women that
killing their pre-born baby will eleviate all of their problems. They
dwell on all the negative aspects that motherhood brings and ignores
the fact that it is the most wonderful thing that will ever happen to
them. They tell you that the baby will interfere with bowling or
bingo. They don't tell them about the joy a child, raised with love,
will bring into their lives. The advocates of abortion are either
profiteers, men who don't want to fulfill their financial obligations,
or women that have serious issues with men. A child is a gift and
should be treated as such.
You should go back to your planet, as you're talking about some fantasy where
pro-choice parents don't exist...and there are a number of them present in
these two newsgroups (and the newsgroups removed, which you like to troll).
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2004-05 Houston Aeros)
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| User: "Osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Motherhood: A gift |
25 Sep 2004 04:16:43 PM |
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"Patrick Lee Humphrey" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
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youngopinions@aol.com (J Young) writes:
Abortion advocates, blood dripping from their hands, spend each and
every day trying to convince young, confused, vunerable women that
killing their pre-born baby will eleviate all of their problems. They
dwell on all the negative aspects that motherhood brings and ignores
the fact that it is the most wonderful thing that will ever happen to
them. They tell you that the baby will interfere with bowling or
bingo. They don't tell them about the joy a child, raised with love,
will bring into their lives. The advocates of abortion are either
profiteers, men who don't want to fulfill their financial obligations,
or women that have serious issues with men. A child is a gift and
should be treated as such.
You should go back to your planet, as you're talking about some fantasy
where
pro-choice parents don't exist...and there are a number of them present in
these two newsgroups (and the newsgroups removed, which you like to
troll).
I have not seen many pro-choice parents in this newsgroup, and you certainly
are not pro-choice.
You have a serious problem with people who make choices you don't like.
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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| Title: Re: Motherhood: A gift |
26 Sep 2004 10:23:56 AM |
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"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in
news:b6adnWkigb8UQsjcRVn-iA@comcast.com:
"Patrick Lee Humphrey" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
news:szkbrfunjml.fsf@fnord.io.com...
I have not seen many pro-choice parents in this newsgroup, and you
certainly are not pro-choice.
two lies in a single sentence. no wonder you're known as the abortion
newsgroups mostg prolific liar.
and a coward too, of course.
you challenged me and then ran from my request for your contact information.
you eventually posted incorrect data and even later you posted what you claim
is your contact data, although it is unverified.
i am the person challenged, coward bobby,
i set the terms; i make the rules.
you have some choices.
you can agree to my terms.
you can withdraw your challenge.
you can continue to misrepresent events.
what do you think i expect you to do?
what do you think readers expect you to do?
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| User: "J Young" |
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26 Sep 2004 12:22:49 AM |
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"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message news:<b6adnWkigb8UQsjcRVn-iA@comcast.com>...
"Patrick Lee Humphrey" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
news:szkbrfunjml.fsf@fnord.io.com...
youngopinions@aol.com (J Young) writes:
Abortion advocates, blood dripping from their hands, spend each and
every day trying to convince young, confused, vunerable women that
killing their pre-born baby will eleviate all of their problems. They
dwell on all the negative aspects that motherhood brings and ignores
the fact that it is the most wonderful thing that will ever happen to
them. They tell you that the baby will interfere with bowling or
bingo. They don't tell them about the joy a child, raised with love,
will bring into their lives. The advocates of abortion are either
profiteers, men who don't want to fulfill their financial obligations,
or women that have serious issues with men. A child is a gift and
should be treated as such.
You should go back to your planet, as you're talking about some fantasy
where
pro-choice parents don't exist...and there are a number of them present in
these two newsgroups (and the newsgroups removed, which you like to
troll).
I have not seen many pro-choice parents in this newsgroup, and you certainly
are not pro-choice.
You have a serious problem with people who make choices you don't like.
AMEN. ( any theories as to why patty doesn't want the good folks in
houston.general to read our posts? )
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| User: "Patrick Lee Humphrey" |
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26 Sep 2004 07:42:29 AM |
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(J Young) writes:
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message news:<b6adnWkigb8UQsjcRVn-iA@comcast.com>...
"Patrick Lee Humphrey" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
news:szkbrfunjml.fsf@fnord.io.com...
(J Young) writes:
Abortion advocates, blood dripping from their hands, spend each and
every day trying to convince young, confused, vunerable women that
killing their pre-born baby will eleviate all of their problems. They
dwell on all the negative aspects that motherhood brings and ignores
the fact that it is the most wonderful thing that will ever happen to
them. They tell you that the baby will interfere with bowling or
bingo. They don't tell them about the joy a child, raised with love,
will bring into their lives. The advocates of abortion are either
profiteers, men who don't want to fulfill their financial obligations,
or women that have serious issues with men. A child is a gift and
should be treated as such.
You should go back to your planet, as you're talking about some fantasy
where pro-choice parents don't exist...and there are a number of them
present in these two newsgroups (and the newsgroups removed, which you
like to troll).
I have not seen many pro-choice parents in this newsgroup, and you
certainly are not pro-choice. You have a serious problem with people who
make choices you don't like.
Funny whining, coming from an anonymous-coward troller who wouldn't know me if
I stepped on his flat head...too bad the people who know me personally know
better than you'll ever admit to, eh?
AMEN. ( any theories as to why patty doesn't want the good folks in
houston.general to read our posts? )
Ya think it might be because your garbage is crossposted to a few newsgroups
that aren't relevant to the purpose of houston.general, and that the average
h.g reader couldn't care less about your efforts to whip up flame wars? No,
it couldn't be THAT logical, could it?
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Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2004-05 Houston Aeros)
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| User: "Bethe Blasienz" |
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| Title: Re: Motherhood: A gift |
26 Sep 2004 03:16:19 PM |
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From: (J Young)
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:<b6adnWkigb8UQsjcRVn-iA@comcast.com>...
"Patrick Lee Humphrey" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
news:szkbrfunjml.fsf@fnord.io.com...
(J Young) writes:
Abortion advocates, blood dripping from their hands, spend each and
every day trying to convince young, confused, vunerable women that
killing their pre-born baby will eleviate all of their problems. They
dwell on all the negative aspects that motherhood brings and ignores
the fact that it is the most wonderful thing that will ever happen to
them. They tell you that the baby will interfere with bowling or
bingo. They don't tell them about the joy a child, raised with love,
will bring into their lives. The advocates of abortion are either
profiteers, men who don't want to fulfill their financial obligations,
or women that have serious issues with men. A child is a gift and
should be treated as such.
You should go back to your planet, as you're talking about some fantasy
where
pro-choice parents don't exist...and there are a number of them present
in
these two newsgroups (and the newsgroups removed, which you like to
troll).
I have not seen many pro-choice parents in this newsgroup, and you
certainly
are not pro-choice.
You have a serious problem with people who make choices you don't like.
AMEN. ( any theories as to why patty doesn't want the good folks in
houston.general to read our posts? )
This is a pro choice parent.........me. Gotta pass by Planned Parenthood daily
and my son has decided that he is pro choice as well..........he agrees it is
all up to the woman. Entirely his own decision........we, as his parents, feel
that there are some areas he is going to have to decide for himself and will
decide regardless of our point of view. All we can teach him is how to live a
decent life and to always realize that his opinion will not be shared by all
and that tolerance of another point of view is important as he lives out his
life.
Bethe Blasienz
Bryan, Texas USA
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| User: "GingerSnaps" |
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| Title: Re: Motherhood: A gift |
26 Sep 2004 12:43:06 AM |
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"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message news:<b6adnWkigb8UQsjcRVn-iA@comcast.com>...
"Patrick Lee Humphrey" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
news:szkbrfunjml.fsf@fnord.io.com...
youngopinions@aol.com (J Young) writes:
Abortion advocates, blood dripping from their hands, spend each and
every day trying to convince young, confused, vunerable women that
killing their pre-born baby will eleviate all of their problems. They
dwell on all the negative aspects that motherhood brings and ignores
the fact that it is the most wonderful thing that will ever happen to
them. They tell you that the baby will interfere with bowling or
bingo. They don't tell them about the joy a child, raised with love,
will bring into their lives. The advocates of abortion are either
profiteers, men who don't want to fulfill their financial obligations,
or women that have serious issues with men. A child is a gift and
should be treated as such.
You should go back to your planet, as you're talking about some fantasy
where
pro-choice parents don't exist...and there are a number of them present in
these two newsgroups (and the newsgroups removed, which you like to
troll).
I have not seen many pro-choice parents in this newsgroup, and you certainly
are not pro-choice.
You have a serious problem with people who make choices you don't like.
I am pro-choice and a married mother. I have 3 young children.
Motherhood should not be forced on any woman. Pregnancy, childbirth,
and parenthood don't just mean not being able to go to "bingo" or the
movies. It could mean everything from your life, physical and mental
health, job, family, friends, school, spouse.
It is hard to work when a woman is throwing up every 20 minutes from
morning sickness. It is hard to work when a woman is too big to do her
normal job. It is hard to work when it is a high risk pregnancy and
you aren't suppose to be on your feet. Many women have to leave their
jobs and schooling because of pregnancy. No job, no money.. means a
woman can even lose her place of living.
Women may lose their boyfriend because he didnt want a child. A woman
may lose her family and friends because of a pregnancy.
Pregnancy hormones cause wild mood swings and are very hard to handle
for some women, especially women who already suffer from mental
illness. Postpartum depression can lead to suicide and even worse. The
bad part is, during pregnancy and breastfeeding a woman is restricted
from taking a lot of meds that can help her health or even save her.
The physical problems that come with pregnancy can be anything from
weight gain to developing dangerous diabetes to things most people
dont even realize that happen during pregnancy. When I was pregnant I
developed an allergic reaction to pregnancy and I lost a lot of my
hearing for several months while I was pregnant. My dr prescibed
different meds for me but none helped. It finially went away when the
pregnancy was over. But it made it hard for me to even do my job.
Childbirth can be very traumatic as well. It was the most painful
thing I have ever went through. it was humilating as well. I do not
want my privates exposed to people I dont know. As a result of
childbirth my flesh was torn and I developed an infection that started
to spread through my body. i had to take antibioltics which caused me
to develop a yeast infection in my breast and vagina. I could hardly
walk and I would scream when my baby tried to breastfeed.
The recovery for pregnancy and childbirth can be long and hard. Some
women never lose the weight, some lose function in their privates,
some suffer depression lifelong after that.
As someone who has been through it, I will be honest. Pregnancy,
childbirth, and parenthood are not easy. They should not be forced on
any woman. A woman who wants a child and thinks going through all this
is worth it is a woman who is ready to be a mother. With all 3 of my
pregnancies I chose to have my children because I badly wanted them
and was willing to go through it. But I would NEVER force someone else
to. I am not done having children. I am not willing to go through
these experiences anymore. And I will not be forced to.
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| User: "Patrick Lee Humphrey" |
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26 Sep 2004 08:00:53 AM |
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(GingerSnaps) writes:
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message news:<b6adnWkigb8UQsjcRVn-iA@comcast.com>...
[...]
I have not seen many pro-choice parents in this newsgroup, and you
certainly are not pro-choice. You have a serious problem with people who
make choices you don't like.
I am pro-choice and a married mother. I have 3 young children.
Motherhood should not be forced on any woman. Pregnancy, childbirth,
and parenthood don't just mean not being able to go to "bingo" or the
movies. It could mean everything from your life, physical and mental
health, job, family, friends, school, spouse.
[...]
Childbirth can be very traumatic as well. It was the most painful
thing I have ever went through. it was humilating as well. I do not
want my privates exposed to people I dont know. As a result of
childbirth my flesh was torn and I developed an infection that started
to spread through my body. i had to take antibioltics which caused me
to develop a yeast infection in my breast and vagina. I could hardly
walk and I would scream when my baby tried to breastfeed.
The recovery for pregnancy and childbirth can be long and hard. Some
women never lose the weight, some lose function in their privates,
some suffer depression lifelong after that.
As someone who has been through it, I will be honest. Pregnancy,
childbirth, and parenthood are not easy. They should not be forced on
any woman. A woman who wants a child and thinks going through all this
is worth it is a woman who is ready to be a mother. With all 3 of my
pregnancies I chose to have my children because I badly wanted them
and was willing to go through it. But I would NEVER force someone else
to. I am not done having children. I am not willing to go through
these experiences anymore. And I will not be forced to.
Thank you, for stuffing Heishman's remarks back in his face. You've been
through a lot, by your testimony, but you chose to take the risks, and you
know what's at stake. Unlike the frustrated little martinet in Delaware who's
whining at you, I'm pro-choice because I'm just not arrogant enough to assume
that I know your particular situation and can decide what's best for you
better than you do. I reached that conclusion when I was an irreverent little
***** in high school -- I won't say that was some time ago, but I'll mention
some guy named Neil Armstrong vandalizing the Moon around that time. ;-)
Thanks for stepping into this tussle to give a small minority of the
anti-abort whiners something to think on. (That small minority is because a
lot of 'em evidently don't know how to think to begin with, based on their
posts.) You're definitely not alone.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2004-05 Houston Aeros)
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| User: "Attila" |
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30 Sep 2004 05:53:34 AM |
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On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:16:43 -0400, "Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <b6adnWkigb8UQsjcRVn-iA@comcast.com>
wrote:
I have not seen many pro-choice parents in this newsgroup,
I am one.
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| User: "somewriter" |
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26 Sep 2004 04:37:43 AM |
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On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:16:43 -0400, "Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Patrick Lee Humphrey" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
news:szkbrfunjml.fsf@fnord.io.com...
youngopinions@aol.com (J Young) writes:
Abortion advocates, blood dripping from their hands, spend each and
every day trying to convince young, confused, vunerable women that
killing their pre-born baby will eleviate all of their problems. They
dwell on all the negative aspects that motherhood brings and ignores
the fact that it is the most wonderful thing that will ever happen to
them. They tell you that the baby will interfere with bowling or
bingo. They don't tell them about the joy a child, raised with love,
will bring into their lives. The advocates of abortion are either
profiteers, men who don't want to fulfill their financial obligations,
or women that have serious issues with men. A child is a gift and
should be treated as such.
You should go back to your planet, as you're talking about some fantasy
where
pro-choice parents don't exist...and there are a number of them present in
these two newsgroups (and the newsgroups removed, which you like to
troll).
I have not seen many pro-choice parents in this newsgroup, and you certainly
are not pro-choice.
You have a serious problem with people who make choices you don't like.
That's funny, because I have made the _same_ choice many Pro-Life AND
Pro-Choice people have made: Parenthood.
Patrick made that choice, too.
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| User: "Patrick Lee Humphrey" |
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26 Sep 2004 07:46:02 AM |
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somewriter <sappywriter@poetic.com> writes:
On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:16:43 -0400, "Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
[...]
I have not seen many pro-choice parents in this newsgroup, and you certainly
are not pro-choice.
You have a serious problem with people who make choices you don't like.
That's funny, because I have made the _same_ choice many Pro-Life AND
Pro-Choice people have made: Parenthood.
Patrick made that choice, too.
....and unwanted orphans like "J Young" can't stand the fact that I won't back
down from their bullying. (Guess I'd best check the access log for the photo
page, too. ;-)
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2004-05 Houston Aeros)
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| User: "J Young" |
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27 Sep 2004 12:31:28 PM |
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Patrick Lee Humphrey <patrick@io.com> wrote in message news:<szkhdpltcz9.fsf@fnord.io.com>...
somewriter <sappywriter@poetic.com> writes:
On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:16:43 -0400, "Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
[...]
I have not seen many pro-choice parents in this newsgroup, and you certainly
are not pro-choice.
You have a serious problem with people who make choices you don't like.
That's funny, because I have made the _same_ choice many Pro-Life AND
Pro-Choice people have made: Parenthood.
Patrick made that choice, too.
"Patrick" didn't make any choices. They were all made for him.
...and unwanted orphans like "J Young" can't stand the fact that I won't back
down from their bullying. (Guess I'd best check the access log for the photo
page, too. ;-)
Just because you've been getting ***** slapped left and right these
days, doesn't mean you have to whine like a little *****, "Patrick".
Act like the man you pretend to be.
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| User: "Patrick Lee Humphrey" |
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27 Sep 2004 08:24:26 PM |
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(J Young) writes:
Patrick Lee Humphrey <patrick@io.com> wrote in message news:<szkhdpltcz9.fsf@fnord.io.com>...
somewriter <sappywriter@poetic.com> writes:
On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:16:43 -0400, "Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
[...]
I have not seen many pro-choice parents in this newsgroup, and you
certainly are not pro-choice. You have a serious problem with people who
make choices you don't like.
That's funny, because I have made the _same_ choice many Pro-Life AND
Pro-Choice people have made: Parenthood.
Patrick made that choice, too.
"Patrick" didn't make any choices. They were all made for him.
Really? You weren't around to see what I chose. You're just whining because
I don't back down from your ham-handed attempts at intimidation. I'd say to
contact the daughter in question, but even a loon like you isn't going to
unearth that information legally.
...and unwanted orphans like "J Young" can't stand the fact that I won't
back down from their bullying. (Guess I'd best check the access log for
the photo page, too. ;-)
Just because you've been getting ***** slapped left and right these
days, doesn't mean you have to whine like a little *****, "Patrick".
Act like the man you pretend to be.
Funny...I'm man enough to put my name on what I post, and have been doing so
for fifteen years. You can't even claim that much, IBenDrinkinAndPostinAgain.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2004-05 Houston Aeros)
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| User: "somewriter" |
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27 Sep 2004 01:03:48 PM |
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On 27 Sep 2004 10:31:28 -0700, (J Young) wrote:
Patrick Lee Humphrey <patrick@io.com> wrote in message news:<szkhdpltcz9.fsf@fnord.io.com>...
somewriter <sappywriter@poetic.com> writes:
On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:16:43 -0400, "Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
[...]
I have not seen many pro-choice parents in this newsgroup, and you certainly
are not pro-choice.
You have a serious problem with people who make choices you don't like.
That's funny, because I have made the _same_ choice many Pro-Life AND
Pro-Choice people have made: Parenthood.
Patrick made that choice, too.
"Patrick" didn't make any choices. They were all made for him.
_Patrick_ made his choices.
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| User: "J Young" |
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28 Sep 2004 10:56:47 AM |
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(Reptile944) wrote in message news:<20040926125049.06972.00000860@mb-m03.aol.com>...
In article <9c2d0f9a.0409251054.7655eede@posting.google.com>,
youngopinions@aol.com (J Young) writes:
Abortion advocates, blood dripping from their hands, spend each and
every day trying to convince young, confused, vunerable women that
killing their pre-born baby will eleviate all of their problems. They
dwell on all the negative aspects that motherhood brings and ignores
the fact that it is the most wonderful thing that will ever happen to
them. They tell you that the baby will interfere with bowling or
bingo. They don't tell them about the joy a child, raised with love,
will bring into their lives. The advocates of abortion are either
profiteers, men who don't want to fulfill their financial obligations,
or women that have serious issues with men. A child is a gift and
should be treated as such.
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I'm sorry Jon, but I cannot agree with you for multitudes of reasons.
A gift is something given to you to do with as you please.
The greatest of my objection is your statement that a child is some kind of a
"gift." A child is not a "gift," but an immature person. When that person
grows up, they may or may not be someone with whom you would choose an
association. They become adults, very much on your own functional level.
Our children are not our house pets, to be "moulded" and "raised" as we see
fit. They are not to be used and/or abused as we see fit and should never be
used as leverage against another person. Too many women forced to raise a child
that they did not want to begin with use that child in just that fashion. Too
many men use a child and the continuing threat of full custody, or refusal to
support as a way to maintain control over the woman.
Far too many relationships (marriage or otherwise) end with the child or
children being used as bargaining chips, to either keep control or "get even"
with the estranged spouse or companion. In too many cases, when a person has
lost control over other aspects of their lives, they use the child as an
affirmation of their "control."
Something that you may never have considered, but that I have witnessed, is
that many of the men who object so strongly to abortion *know* that if there is
no child, there is no means of control. It has little or nothing to do with
loving and wanting to protect "the unborn." Women who are strong objectors to
abortion are also often interested in control issues, but of a different sort.
They know that with no child, there is no ongoing contact with a man that they
wish to hold in place. They are not especially concerned with the unborn child
either. Then there are the women forced to endure pregnancy and childbirth
that they never wanted, and feel that any woman who aborts is "getting away"
with something that she couldn't choose for herself, and is determined to make
other women suffer as well. And so it goes: These control issues are easily
projected to "everyone" who seeks reproductive choice.
Every point you make is valid although ( you knew there had to be an
although ) ahve you taken into consideration that control is not
always the motivation. Also, and please don't misunderstand my point,
Even if control were to be the motivating factor in keeping the
pre-born child alive, the fact that the child gets a chance to live is
what is paramount. The biggest problem when discussing abortion is
each persons definition on what constitutes life
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30 Sep 2004 05:57:39 AM |
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On 28 Sep 2004 08:56:47 -0700, (J Young) in
alt.abortion with message-id
<9c2d0f9a.0409280756.7a2f6004@posting.google.com> wrote:
Even if control were to be the motivating factor in keeping the
pre-born child alive,
There is a fetus, not a child.
the fact that the child gets a chance to live is
what is paramount.
Why?
The biggest problem when discussing abortion is
each persons definition on what constitutes life
I doubt anyone would deny the fact that a fetus is alive. That has
nothing to do with the issue.
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| User: "GOOD RIDDANCE on Nov. 2nd to Dishonest Warmonger-in-Thief G.W. Bush!" |
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| Title: Re: Motherhood: A gift |
30 Sep 2004 06:28:32 AM |
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On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 06:57:39 -0400,
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
Bigoted AOLoser, J. Young <youngopinions@aol.com> spewed:
[ ... ]
The biggest problem when discussing abortion is each
persons definition on what constitutes life.
I doubt anyone would deny the fact that a fetus is alive. That has
nothing to do with the issue.
And -- have you noticed that Anti-Choicrs shy away from the fact
that GAMETES -- just like the other three reproductive stages -- ALSO
are **alive**, unique, and human (adj.) *potential* people... the same
way that Dracula dodges crosses and sunlight?
As they hypocritically look the other way and whistle a tune while
more than a QUADRILLION of those potential people are being electively
aborted DAILY, worldwide.
Best way for any person to PROVE to everyone that he's dumber than
a dead rock: all he/she has to do is be an Anti-Choicer, homophobe,
homophobe, or any combination thereof. Not so much as one single FACT
even EXISTS that support their loathsome and idiotic agendas against
human rights and civil liberties.
(As for J. Young -- HE'S probably so dense that he hasn't yet
learned that human life is a self-sustaining CONTINUUM, in which
ALL of its entities (including the above-mentioned gametes) are
ALIVE.)
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
(REAL name and e-mail address, lest any bigot wrongly
think I'm hiding behind an a alias. The "alias," above,
is designed to be a visible MESSAGE, each time I post.)
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Every time a person supports bigotry in public, and presents NO
relevant FACTS to back his/her stance in behalf of a loathsome
agenda against individual liberties and human rights, that person
has -- ironically -- further **damaged** the cause he/she supports.
And every time a fair-minded and sensible egalitarian opposes
such a bigot, publicly, and **presents** relevant FACTS that are
damaging to the bigot's agenda, that TOO is an additional nail in
the coffin lid of the agenda, and a push of that casket CLOSER
to the Drain of Extinction -- its well-deserved ultimate destination.
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Kerry -- two medals: a silver and bronze star.
Bush? Well -- they don't give medals for
going AWOL, missing your medical and
getting grounded or falling off of a bar stool.
Kerry -- a hero, Bush -- a zero.
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening...
The Bush 'economic' policy: - 3 million jobs and counting...
The Bush Iraq lie: - 1,052 GIs, and mounting...
Having Bush louse up my country: Worthless
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
INSIGHT on our Warmonger-in-Thief ---
http://homepage.mac.com/webmasterkai/kaicurry/gwbush/dishonestdubya.html
AND...
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
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ALSO worth a look:
http://anon.newmediamill.speedera.net/anon.newmediamill/pledge_acc/index.html
And... here's what happens to people like you & me:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/05/21/antiwar.soldier.ap/index.html
However, the same rules don't apply to the "Elite:"
www.awolbush.com
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Motherhood: A gift |
30 Sep 2004 07:02:45 AM |
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On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:28:32 GMT, (GOOD RIDDANCE
on Nov. 2nd to Dishonest Warmonger-in-Thief G.W. Bush!) in
alt.abortion with message-id <416feb89.73717749@netnews.mchsi.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 06:57:39 -0400,
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
Bigoted AOLoser, J. Young <youngopinions@aol.com> spewed:
[ ... ]
The biggest problem when discussing abortion is each
persons definition on what constitutes life.
I doubt anyone would deny the fact that a fetus is alive. That has
nothing to do with the issue.
And -- have you noticed that Anti-Choicrs shy away from the fact
that GAMETES -- just like the other three reproductive stages -- ALSO
are **alive**, unique, and human (adj.) *potential* people... the same
way that Dracula dodges crosses and sunlight?
I have noticed they constantly try to turn the entire issue into a war
of words with the constant hammering on terms like murder, baby,
infant, and so forth. Their casual and vague use of the terms 'life'
and 'alive' simply follow this pattern.
If they had any factual basis for their position they would not care
what terms were used - in fact, the more accurate the terms the better
the support for any factual position.
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| User: "Mike Smith" |
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| Title: Re: Motherhood: A gift |
30 Sep 2004 07:41:12 AM |
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On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 08:02:45 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:28:32 GMT, (GOOD RIDDANCE
on Nov. 2nd to Dishonest Warmonger-in-Thief G.W. Bush!) in
alt.abortion with message-id <416feb89.73717749@netnews.mchsi.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 06:57:39 -0400,
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
Bigoted AOLoser, J. Young <youngopinions@aol.com> spewed:
[ ... ]
The biggest problem when discussing abortion is each
persons definition on what constitutes life.
I doubt anyone would deny the fact that a fetus is alive. That has
nothing to do with the issue.
And -- have you noticed that Anti-Choicrs shy away from the fact
that GAMETES -- just like the other three reproductive stages -- ALSO
are **alive**, unique, and human (adj.) *potential* people... the same
way that Dracula dodges crosses and sunlight?
I have noticed they constantly try to turn the entire issue into a war
of words with the constant hammering on terms like murder, baby,
infant, and so forth. Their casual and vague use of the terms 'life'
and 'alive' simply follow this pattern.
If they had any factual basis for their position they would not care
what terms were used - in fact, the more accurate the terms the better
the support for any factual position.
And who says watching "dumb" and "dumber" debate each other is not
entertaining?
Mike Smith
Zell Miller and Ed Koch are Americans first and members of the Democratic Party second.
This has totally confused the rest of the Democratic Party.
Never forget:
http://www.gunstuff.com/america-attacked.html
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Motherhood: A gift |
30 Sep 2004 10:31:45 PM |
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Mike Smith <mws@wt.net> wrote:
And who says watching "dumb" and "dumber" debate each other is not
entertaining?
And for your amusement, playing the parts of both Dumb AND Dumber...
Mike Smith!
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "GOOD RIDDANCE on Nov. 2nd to Dishonest Warmonger-in-Thief G.W. Bush!" |
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| Title: Re: Motherhood: A gift |
30 Sep 2004 05:55:06 PM |
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On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 07:41:12 -0500,
CLUELESS Neocon, Mike Smith <mws@wt.net> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> (GOOD RIDDANCE
on Nov. 2nd to Dishonest Warmonger-in-Thief G.W. Bush!) wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
Bigoted AOLoser, J. Young <youngopinions@aol.com> spewed:
[ ... ]
The biggest problem when discussing abortion is each
persons definition on what constitutes life.
I doubt anyone would deny the fact that a fetus is alive. That has
nothing to do with the issue.
And -- have you noticed that Anti-Choicers shy away from the fact
that GAMETES -- just like the other three reproductive stages -- ALSO
are **alive**, unique, and human (adj.) *potential* people... the same
way that Dracula dodges crosses and sunlight?
I have noticed they constantly try to turn the entire issue into a war
of words with the constant hammering on terms like murder, baby,
infant, and so forth. Their casual and vague use of the terms 'life'
and 'alive' simply follow this pattern.
If they had any factual basis for their position they would not care
what terms were used -- in fact, the more accurate the terms the better
the support for any factual position.
And who says watching "dumb" and "dumber" debate each
other is not entertaining?
Mike Smith
Ah. So once AGAIN we are treated to the ludicrous spectacle
of a whiney neocon who wouldn't know a relevant FACT if he
tripped over it, jumping in to hurl mindless insults. But -- as usual
--- totally INCAPABLE of presenting ANY facts that support his
loathsome stance(s) against human rights and civil liberties.
THAT'S entertainment!! For the reason provided in my SIG.
One *more* nail in bigotry's coffin lid!
(ROTFL!!! What a tool.)
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
(REAL name and e-mail address, lest any bigot wrongly
think I'm hiding behind an a alias. The "alias," above,
is designed to be a visible MESSAGE, each time I post.)
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Every time a person supports bigotry in public, and presents NO
relevant FACTS to back his/her stance in behalf of a loathsome
agenda against individual liberties and human rights, that person
has -- ironically -- further **damaged** the cause he/she supports.
And every time a fair-minded and sensible egalitarian opposes
such a bigot, publicly, and **presents** relevant FACTS that are
damaging to the bigot's agenda, that TOO is an additional nail in
the coffin lid of the agenda, and a push of that casket CLOSER
to the Drain of Extinction -- its well-deserved ultimate destination.
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Kerry -- two medals: a silver and bronze star.
Bush? Well -- they don't give medals for
going AWOL, missing your medical and
getting grounded or falling off of a bar stool.
Kerry -- a hero, Bush -- a zero.
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening...
The Bush 'economic' policy: - 3 million jobs and counting...
The Bush Iraq lie: - 1,052 GIs, and mounting...
Having Bush louse up my country: Worthless
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
INSIGHT on our Warmonger-in-Thief ---
http://homepage.mac.com/webmasterkai/kaicurry/gwbush/dishonestdubya.html
AND...
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
ALSO worth a look:
http://anon.newmediamill.speedera.net/anon.newmediamill/pledge_acc/index.html
And... here's what happens to people like you & me:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/05/21/antiwar.soldier.ap/index.html
However, the same rules don't apply to the "Elite:"
www.awolbush.com
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Motherhood: A gift |
30 Sep 2004 09:26:33 AM |
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On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 07:41:12 -0500, Mike Smith <mws@wt.net> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<llvnl0tu923037lp4n7csl44b0j5n9vtq0@4ax.com> wrote:
On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 08:02:45 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:28:32 GMT, (GOOD RIDDANCE
on Nov. 2nd to Dishonest Warmonger-in-Thief G.W. Bush!) in
alt.abortion with message-id <416feb89.73717749@netnews.mchsi.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 06:57:39 -0400,
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
Bigoted AOLoser, J. Young <youngopinions@aol.com> spewed:
[ ... ]
The biggest problem when discussing abortion is each
persons definition on what constitutes life.
I doubt anyone would deny the fact that a fetus is alive. That has
nothing to do with the issue.
And -- have you noticed that Anti-Choicrs shy away from the fact
that GAMETES -- just like the other three reproductive stages -- ALSO
are **alive**, unique, and human (adj.) *potential* people... the same
way that Dracula dodges crosses and sunlight?
I have noticed they constantly try to turn the entire issue into a war
of words with the constant hammering on terms like murder, baby,
infant, and so forth. Their casual and vague use of the terms 'life'
and 'alive' simply follow this pattern.
If they had any factual basis for their position they would not care
what terms were used - in fact, the more accurate the terms the better
the support for any factual position.
And who says watching "dumb" and "dumber" debate each other is not
entertaining?
It was the first few hundred times but like the thread with the Winnut
it is only dull and tiresome now.
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| User: "Bobs Boyfriend" |
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| Title: Re: Motherhood: A gift |
26 Sep 2004 03:50:20 PM |
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In article <9c2d0f9a.0409251054.7655eede@posting.google.com>,
(J Young) wrote:
Abortion advocates, blood dripping from their hands, spend each and
every day trying to convince young, confused, vunerable women that
killing their pre-born baby will eleviate all of their problems. They
dwell on all the negative aspects that motherhood brings and ignores
the fact that it is the most wonderful thing that will ever happen to
them. They tell you that the baby will interfere with bowling or
bingo. They don't tell them about the joy a child, raised with love,
will bring into their lives. The advocates of abortion are either
profiteers, men who don't want to fulfill their financial obligations,
or women that have serious issues with men. A child is a gift and
should be treated as such.
Anything that gets in the way of "I" "19" is pure evil.
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| User: "webgiant" |
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| Title: Re: Motherhood: A gift |
26 Sep 2004 02:27:39 PM |
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On 2004-09-25, J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
[Pro-choice advocates] don't tell them about the
joy a child, raised with love, will bring into
their lives. ... A child is a gift and should be
treated as such.
Ya know, watering down the very real work that
is a pregnancy, a childbirth, and a raising of a
child, only serves to continue the tradition of
claiming that motherhood is *not real work*.
I don't find it at all surprising that the folks who
claim they support motherhood by opposing abortion
are so quick to *insult motherhood* by claiming it
is extremely easy and benefits all women universally.
Pro-choice people, on the other hand, are universally
supportive of motherhood by pointing out the kinds of
sacrifices, pain, and suffering a woman will go through
if she continues a pregnancy to term and, after the
difficult childbirth process, keeps the baby. Its like
claiming that the honorable Senator John McCain wasn't
a hero because being in a war isn't all that difficult.
The honorable Senator John McCain and mothers are heroes
for the same general reasons: they chose to enter
difficult situations and they survived the difficult
attempt.
I'd point out that the honorable Senator John Kerry is
equally deserving of praise for choosing to enter a
difficult situation and acting heroically (according
to official Navy records, of course) but I doubt that
the anti-abortion movement is prepared enough to deal
with the truth about Kerry, to accept him as a hero.
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Motherhood: A gift |
30 Sep 2004 12:39:30 PM |
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On 25 Sep 2004 11:54:11 -0700, (J Young) in
alt.abortion with message-id
<9c2d0f9a.0409251054.7655eede@posting.google.com> wrote:
Abortion advocates,
I doubt you have ever seen or heard anyone who advocated abortion over
birth.
blood dripping from their hands,
Like in a bad B-movie?
spend each and
every day trying to convince young, confused, vunerable women
This is how they make a living? Who pays them? Please include proof.
that
killing their pre-born baby
Which does not exist.
will eleviate all of their problems. They
dwell on all the negative aspects that motherhood brings
Dwell? As in the warning every doctor gives about any medical
procedure?
and ignores
the fact that it is the most wonderful thing that will ever happen to
them.
That is a matter of opinion, and is too complex a subject for such a
simplistic answer.
They tell you that the baby will interfere with bowling or
bingo.
It will.
They don't tell them about the joy a child, raised with love,
will bring into their lives.
Which is usually but not always true.
The advocates of abortion
Again, I have seen no abortion advocates anywhere.
are either
profiteers,
In what way? Any medical personnel can make more as a GYN than by
providing an abortion.
men who don't want to fulfill their financial obligations,
As in those who refuse to pay what the courts order?
or women that have serious issues with men.
There are few of those.
Where does the married woman with other children who became pregnant
unexpectedly and simply does not want another child fit in this list?
A child is a gift
No it isn't. It is a normal method of species continuation.
and
should be treated as such.
Why? Is there a shortage of them?
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| User: "somewriter" |
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| Title: Re: Motherhood: A gift |
26 Sep 2004 04:33:14 AM |
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On 25 Sep 2004 11:54:11 -0700, (J Young) wrote:
Abortion advocates...
If Motherhood is this 'gift' (presumably you mean one given by a god),
then why is it only select people have it, some people who desperately
want it (and go through great means to get it) can't have it, and
those who have it throw it away?
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