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"Jon Young" |
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20 Feb 2004 10:47:43 PM |
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Mothers:Please! Don't murder your Babies. |
Please think about what you are doing.The pro-abortion movement has
tried to convince you that killing your babies is a viable, even
desirable, option. Whatever hardships you may be suffering; and no one
denies that you do suffer hardships, killing your children is not the
answer. They try to tell you that the pre-born is not life; that is
absolutely crazy.Of course it's life. Inside or outside the womb is
only a matter of geography. They try to convince you that because you
may suffer economic troubles, that is a reason to kill your
baby.Ridiculous. By that reasoning, one should burn down their homes
if they have trouble paying the rent.Speak to some women who have
murdered their children; they will tell you of the untold guilt they
suffer. The pro-abortion movement never tells you that. Abortion is
nothing more than a scheme to murder the minority and economic
disadvantaged populations. Don't let them do it. Murder is never the
answer.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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20 Feb 2004 11:10:14 PM |
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Jon Young <jdyoung1@volcanomail.com> wrote:
Please think about what you are doing.
They do.
The pro-abortion movement has
tried to convince you that killing your babies is a viable,
You try to convince yourself that your lies and hatred are moral.
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Ray Fischer
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| User: "John W" |
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21 Feb 2004 11:28:29 PM |
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On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 05:10:14 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) wrote:
Jon Young <jdyoung1@volcanomail.com> wrote:
Please think about what you are doing.
They do.
The pro-abortion movement has
tried to convince you that killing your babies is a viable,
You try to convince yourself that your lies and hatred are moral.
Why do you hate the unborn? Why do you hate the newly-born? According
to Prez Clinton's PBA law, babies can now be murdered during birth.
John W
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Mothers:Please! Don't murder your Babies. (Pro-Lie insanity) |
22 Feb 2004 12:05:00 AM |
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John W <john_weatherly47<no> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Jon Young <jdyoung1@volcanomail.com> wrote:
Please think about what you are doing.
They do.
The pro-abortion movement has
tried to convince you that killing your babies is a viable,
You try to convince yourself that your lies and hatred are moral.
Why do you hate the unborn?
There's your hatred.
According
to Prez Clinton's PBA law, babies can now be murdered during birth.
There's your lies.
You try to convince yourself that your lies and hatred are moral.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "John W" |
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23 Feb 2004 04:11:06 AM |
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 06:05:00 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) wrote:
John W <john_weatherly47<no> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
Jon Young <jdyoung1@volcanomail.com> wrote:
Please think about what you are doing.
They do.
The pro-abortion movement has
tried to convince you that killing your babies is a viable,
You try to convince yourself that your lies and hatred are moral.
Why do you hate the unborn?
There's your hatred.
WHAT? Talk about dodging a question! Or do you have a severe reading
disorder?
According
to Prez Clinton's PBA law, babies can now be murdered during birth.
There's your lies.
You try to convince yourself that your lies and hatred are moral.
WHAT? Are your feet on terra firma? Or are you beaming in from a
space ship somewhere past Pluto?
Before you call names, dummy, I suggest you look up "Partial Birth
Abortion" on your favorite search engine.
It was signed by WJC his first week in office as a campaign pledge
fulfillment to NOW for helping him get elected.
The Partial Birth Abortion law allows a woman to carry her child full
term and then kill it as it's being born.
Before you come in here prognosticating, you might want to educate
yourself! Why have a computer on the internet when you don't bother
to check your facts?
This same PBA was referred to by President Bush during his state of
the union message two months ago. He promised to work to get it
repealed.
Saying anything else merely proves your ignorance and/or your
pathological inability to think.
John W
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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23 Feb 2004 10:43:58 PM |
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John W <john_weatherly47<no> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
The pro-abortion movement has
tried to convince you that killing your babies is a viable,
You try to convince yourself that your lies and hatred are moral.
Why do you hate the unborn?
There's your hatred.
WHAT? Talk about dodging a question!
Nope. Because of your hate you assume that everybody is evil.
Because you hate, you think that lies are justified.
According
to Prez Clinton's PBA law, babies can now be murdered during birth.
There's your lies.
You try to convince yourself that your lies and hatred are moral.
WHAT? Are your feet on terra firma?
Yup. you're a liar.
Before you call names, dummy, I suggest you look up "Partial Birth
Abortion" on your favorite search engine.
Been there, done that. I know the difference between the lies of the
anti-abortion fanatics and the truth. There is no procedure that
kills a fetus during childbirth. It's all propaganda.
The Partial Birth Abortion law allows a woman to carry her child full
term and then kill it as it's being born.
That is a disgusting and hate-filled lie.
Before you come in here prognosticating, you might want to educate
yourself!
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Dilation and Extraction for Late Second Trimester Abortion
Presented at the National Abortion Federation Risk Management Seminar,
September 13, 1992
(BY MARTIN HASKELL, M.D.)
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Introduction
The surgical method described in this paper differs from classic D&E in
that it does not rely upon dismemberment to remove the fetus. Nor are
inductions or infusions used to expel the intact fetus.
Rather, the surgeon grasps and removes a nearly intact fetus through an
adequately dilated cervix. The author has coined the term Dilation and
Extraction or D&X to distinguish it from dismemberment-type D&E's.
This procedure can be performed in a properly equipped physician's
office under local anesthesia. It can be used successfully in patients
20-26 weeks in pregnancy.
The author has performed over 700 of these procedures with a low rate of
complications.
Background D&E evolved as an alternative to induction or instillation
methods for second trimester abortion in the mid 1970's. This happened
in part because of lack of hospital facilities allowing second trimester
abortions in some geographic areas, in part because surgeons needed a
`right now' solution to complete
suction abortions inadvertently started in the second trimester and in
part to provide a means of early second trimester abortion to avoid
necessary delays for instillation methods. 1
The North Carolina Conference in 1978 established D&E as the preferred
method for early second trimester abortions in the U.S. 2 , 3 , 4
Footnotes at end of article.
Classic D&E is accomplished by dismembering the fetus inside the uterus
with instruments and removing the pieces through an adequately dilated
cervix. 5
However, most surgeons find dismemberment at twenty weeks and beyond to
be difficult due to the toughness of fetal tissues at this stage of
development.
Consequently, most late second trimester abortions are performed by an
induction method. 6 , 7 , 8
Two techniques of late second trimester D&E's have been described at
previous NAF meetings. The first relies on sterile urea intra-amniotic
infusion to cause fetal demise and lysis (or softening) of fetal tissues
prior to surgery. 9
The second technique is to rupture the membranes 24 hours prior to
surgery and cut the umbilical cord. Fetal death and ensuing autolysis
soften the tissues. There are attendant risks of infection with this
method.
In summary, approaches to late second trimester D&E's rely upon some
means to induce early fetal demise to soften the fetal tissues making
dismemberment easier.
Patient Selection the author routinely performs this procedure on all
patients 20 through 24 weeks LMP with certain exceptions. The author
performs the procedure on selected patients 25 through 26 weeks LMP.
The author refers for induction patients falling into the following
categories: previous C-section over 22 weeks; obese patients (more than
20 pounds over large frame ideal weight); twin pregnancy over 21 weeks;
patients 26 weeks and over.
Description of Dilation and Extraction Method
Dilation and extraction takes over three days. In a nutshell, D&X can be
described as follows: dilation; more dilation; real-time ultrasound
visualization; version (as needed); intact extraction; fetal skull
decompression; removal; clean-up; recovery.
Day 1--Dilation
The patient is evaluated with an ultrasound, hemoglobin and Rh. Hadlock
scales are used to interpret all ultrasound measurements.
In the operating room, the cervix is prepped, anesthetized and dilated
to 9-11 mm. Five, six or seven large Dilapan hydroscopic dilators are
placed in the cervix. The patient goes home or to a motel overnight.
Day 2--Dilation
The patient returns to the operating room where the previous day's
Dilapan are removed. The cervix is scrubbed and anesthetized. Between 15
and 25 Dilapan are placed in the cervical canal. The patient returns
home or to a motel overnight.
Day 3--The Operation
The patient returns to the operating room where the previous day's
Dilapan are removed. The surgical assistant administers 10 IU Pitocin
intramuscularly. The cervix is scrubbed, anesthetized and grasped with a
tenaculum. The membranes are ruptured, if they are not already.
The surgical assistant places an ultrasound probe on the patient's
abdomen and scans the fetus, locating the lower extremities. This scan
provides the surgeon information about the orientation of the fetus and
approximate location of the lower extremities. The transducer is then
held in position over the lower extremities.
The surgeon introduces a large grasping forcep, such as a Bierer or
Hern, through the vaginal and cervical canals into the corpus of the
uterus. Based upon his knowledge of fetal orientation, he moves the tip
of the instrument carefully towards the fetal lower extremities. When
the instrument appears on the sonogram screen, the surgeon is able to
open and close its jaws to firmly and reliably grasp a lower extremity.
The surgeon then applies firm traction to the instrument causing a
version of the fetus (if necessary) and pulls the extremity into the
vagina.
By observing the movement of the lower extremity and version of the
fetus on the ultrasound screen, the surgeon is assured that his
instrument has not inappropriately grasped a maternal structure.
With a lower extremity in the vagina, the surgeon uses his fingers to
deliver the opposite lower extremity, then the torso, the shoulders and
the upper extremities.
The skull lodges at the internal cervical os. Usually there is not
enough dilation for it to pass through. The fetus is oriented dorsum or
spine up.
At this point, the right-handed surgeon slides the fingers of the left
had along the back of the fetus and `hooks' the shoulders of the fetus
with the index and ring fingers (palm down). Next he slides the tip of
the middle finger along the spine towards the skull while applying
traction to the shoulders and lower extremities. The middle finger lifts
and pushes the anterior cervical lip out of the way.
While maintaining this tension, lifting the cervix and applying traction
to the shoulders with the fingers of the left hand, the surgeon takes a
pair of blunt curved Metzenbaum scissors in the right hand. He carefully
advances the tip, curved down, along the spine and under his middle
finger until he feels it contact the base of the skull under the tip of
his middle finger.
Reassessing proper placement of the closed scissors tip and safe
elevation of the cervix, the surgeon then forces the scissors into the
base of the skull or into the foramen magnum. Having safely entered the
skull, he spreads the scissors to enlarge the opening.
The surgeon removes the scissors and introduces a suction catheter into
this hole and evacuates the skull contents. With the catheter still in
place, he applies traction to the fetus, removing it completely from the
patient.
The surgeon finally removes the placenta with forceps and scrapes the
uterine walls with a large Evans and a 14 mm suction curette. The
procedure ends.
Recovery
Patients are observed a minimum of 2 hours following surgery. A pad
check and vital signs are performed every 30 minutes. Patients with
minimal bleeding after 30 minutes are encouraged to walk about the
building or outside between checks.
Intravenous fluids, pitocin and antibiotics are available for the
exceptional times they are needed.
Anesthesia Lidocaine 1% with epinephrine administered intra-cervically
is the standard anesthesia. Nitrous-oxide/oxygen analgesic is
administered nasally as an adjunct. For the Dilapan insert and Dilapan
change, 12cc's is used in 3 equidistant locations around the cervix. For
the surgery, 24cc's is used at 6 equidistant spots.
Carbocaine 1% is substituted for lidocaine for patients who expressed
lidocaine sensitivity.
Medications
All patients not allergic to tetracycline analogues receive doxycycline
200 mgm by mouth daily for 3 days beginning Day 1.
Patients with any history of gonorrhea, chlamydia or pelvic inflammatory
disease receive additional doxycycline, 100 mgm by mouth twice daily for
six additional days.
Patients allergic to tetracyclines are not given prophylactic
antibiotics.
Ergotrate 0.2 mgm by mouth four times daily for three days is dispensed
to each patient.
Pitocin 10 IU intramuscularly is administered upon removal of the
Dilapan on Day 3.
Rhogam intramuscularly is provided to all Rh negative patients on Day 3.
Ibuprofen orally is provided liberally at a rate of 100 mgm per hour
from Day 1 onward.
Patients with severe cramps with Dilapan dilation are provided Phenergan
25 mgm suppositories rectally every 4 hours as needed.
Rare patients require Synalogos DC in order to sleep during Dilapan
dilation.
Patients with a hemoglobin less than 10 g/dl prior to surgery receive
packed red blood cell transfusions.
Follow Up
All patients are given a 24 hour physician's number to call in case of a
problem or concern.
At least three attempts to contact each patient by phone one week after
surgery are made by the office staff.
All patients are asked to return for check-up three weeks following
their surgery.
Third Trimester
The author is aware of one other surgeon who uses a conceptually similar
technique. He adds additional changes of Dilapan and/or lamineria in the
48 hour dilation period. Coupled with other refinements and a slower
operating time, he performs these procedures up to 32 weeks or more. 10
Summary
In conclusion, Dilation and Extraction is an alternative method for
achieving late second trimester abortions to 26 weeks. It can be used in
the third trimester.
Among its advantages are that it is a quick, surgical outpatient method
that can be performed on a scheduled basis under local anesthesia
Among its disadvantages are that it requires a high degree of surgical
skill, and may not be appropriate for a few patients.
Footnotes
1 Cates, W. Jr., Schulz, K.F., Grimes D.A., et al: The Effects of Delay
and Method of Choice on the Risk of Abortion Morbidity, Family Planning
Perspectives, 9:266, 1977.
2 Borell, U., Emberey, M.P., Bygdeman, M., et al: Midtrimester Abortion
by Dilation and Evacuation (Letter), American Journal of Obstetrics and
Gynecology, 131:232, 1978.
3 Centers for Disease Control: Abortion Surveillance 1978, p. 30,
November, 1980.
4 Grimes, D.A., Cates, W. Jr. (Berger, G.S., et al, ed): Dilation and
Evacuation, Second Trimester Abortion--Perspectives After a Decade of
Experience, Boston, John Wright--PSG, 1981, p. 132.
5 Ibid, p. 121-128.
6 Ibid, p. 121.
7 Kerenyi, T.D. (Bergen, G.S., et al, ed): Hypertonic Saline Instillation,
Second Trimester Abortion--Perspectives After a Decade of Experience,
Boston, John Wright--PSG, 1981, p. 79.
8 Hanson, M.S. (Zatuchni, G. I., et al, ed): Midtrimester Abortion:
Dilation and Extraction Preceded by Laminaria, Pregnancy Termination
Procedures, Safety and New Developments, Hagerstown, Harper and Row,
1979, p. 192.
9 Hern, W.M., Abortion Practice, Philadelphia, J.B. Lippincott, 1990, p.
127, 144-6.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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20 Feb 2004 10:54:18 PM |
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Jon Young wrote:
Please think about what you are doing.The pro-abortion movement has
tried to convince you that killing your babies is a viable, even
desirable, option. Whatever hardships you may be suffering; and no one
denies that you do suffer hardships, killing your children is not the
answer. They try to tell you that the pre-born is not life; that is
absolutely crazy.Of course it's life. Inside or outside the womb is
only a matter of geography. They try to convince you that because you
may suffer economic troubles, that is a reason to kill your
baby.Ridiculous. By that reasoning, one should burn down their homes
if they have trouble paying the rent.Speak to some women who have
murdered their children; they will tell you of the untold guilt they
suffer.
And after you've done that, speak to some who've had an abortion.
They'll tell you about the strong sense of relief.
Really now, where do you guys get this stuff? If I was you I'd fire the
guy writing your dialogue.
The pro-abortion movement never tells you that. Abortion is
nothing more than a scheme to murder the minority and economic
disadvantaged populations. Don't let them do it. Murder is never the
answer.
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| User: "Osprey" |
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21 Feb 2004 08:26:19 AM |
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"--sexkitten--" <ladyhawk_twonospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c16ocr$1eob40$2@ID-163025.news.uni-berlin.de...
Jon Young wrote:
Please think about what you are doing.The pro-abortion movement has
tried to convince you that killing your babies is a viable, even
desirable, option. Whatever hardships you may be suffering; and no one
denies that you do suffer hardships, killing your children is not the
answer. They try to tell you that the pre-born is not life; that is
absolutely crazy.Of course it's life. Inside or outside the womb is
only a matter of geography. They try to convince you that because you
may suffer economic troubles, that is a reason to kill your
baby.Ridiculous. By that reasoning, one should burn down their homes
if they have trouble paying the rent.Speak to some women who have
murdered their children; they will tell you of the untold guilt they
suffer.
And after you've done that, speak to some who've had an abortion.
They'll tell you about the strong sense of relief.
I have never met a woman that said she had a strong sense of relief after
abortion.
I can't imagine any woman that would be relieved or happy about killing her
very own unborn child.
Really now, where do you guys get this stuff? If I was you I'd fire the
guy writing your dialogue.
The pro-abortion movement never tells you that. Abortion is
nothing more than a scheme to murder the minority and economic
disadvantaged populations. Don't let them do it. Murder is never the
answer.
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22 Feb 2004 01:20:04 PM |
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"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message news:<ddidnY4EuNpP9KrdRVn-uA@comcast.com>...
"--sexkitten--" <ladyhawk_twonospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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And after you've done that, speak to some who've had an abortion.
They'll tell you about the strong sense of relief.
I have never met a woman that said she had a strong sense of relief after
abortion.
I can't imagine any woman that would be relieved or happy about killing her
very own unborn child.
Keep up the good work. Your's is one of the few voices of reason I've
met in this NG. You keep to the subject at hand, make clear your
positions and don't say in 1000 sentences what can be said in 2 or 3.
Thankyou.
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23 Feb 2004 12:47:16 PM |
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"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message news:<ddidnY4EuNpP9KrdRVn-uA@comcast.com>...
"--sexkitten--" <ladyhawk_twonospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c16ocr$1eob40$2@ID-163025.news.uni-berlin.de...
Jon Young wrote:
Please think about what you are doing.The pro-abortion movement has
tried to convince you that killing your babies is a viable, even
desirable, option. Whatever hardships you may be suffering; and no one
denies that you do suffer hardships, killing your children is not the
answer. They try to tell you that the pre-born is not life; that is
absolutely crazy.Of course it's life. Inside or outside the womb is
only a matter of geography. They try to convince you that because you
may suffer economic troubles, that is a reason to kill your
baby.Ridiculous. By that reasoning, one should burn down their homes
if they have trouble paying the rent.Speak to some women who have
murdered their children; they will tell you of the untold guilt they
suffer.
And after you've done that, speak to some who've had an abortion.
They'll tell you about the strong sense of relief.
I have never met a woman that said she had a strong sense of relief after
abortion.
I can't imagine any woman that would be relieved or happy about killing her
very own unborn child.
Really now, where do you guys get this stuff? If I was you I'd fire the
guy writing your dialogue.
The pro-abortion movement never tells you that. Abortion is
nothing more than a scheme to murder the minority and economic
disadvantaged populations. Don't let them do it. Murder is never the
answer.
Hey, there are lots of women who read this NG who have had an
abortion. Why don't we invite them to tell their story of joy an
relief right here where the world can see it. According to some who
post here, you women should be proud of what you have done. So here's
your opportunity to prove the pro-lifers wrong. Tell us why you
decided to have an abortion and how you and those around you have
benefitted since. I'd be particularly interested in hearing from you
women who have had more than one abortion. Surely, you must have much
to say about the benefits of abortion. If what I'm reading in this NG
is true, we should be inundated with posts of wonderful success
stories. So step forward and show your confidence that you did the
right thing.
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23 Feb 2004 03:19:39 PM |
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(TerryG) wrote in
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"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
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"--sexkitten--" <ladyhawk_twonospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c16ocr$1eob40$2@ID-163025.news.uni-berlin.de...
Jon Young wrote:
Please think about what you are doing.The pro-abortion movement
has tried to convince you that killing your babies is a viable,
even desirable, option. Whatever hardships you may be suffering;
and no one denies that you do suffer hardships, killing your
children is not the answer. They try to tell you that the
pre-born is not life; that is absolutely crazy.Of course it's
life. Inside or outside the womb is only a matter of geography.
They try to convince you that because you may suffer economic
troubles, that is a reason to kill your baby.Ridiculous. By that
reasoning, one should burn down their homes if they have trouble
paying the rent.Speak to some women who have murdered their
children; they will tell you of the untold guilt they suffer.
And after you've done that, speak to some who've had an abortion.
They'll tell you about the strong sense of relief.
I have never met a woman that said she had a strong sense of relief
after abortion.
I can't imagine any woman that would be relieved or happy about
killing her very own unborn child.
Really now, where do you guys get this stuff? If I was you I'd fire
the guy writing your dialogue.
The pro-abortion movement never tells you that. Abortion is
nothing more than a scheme to murder the minority and economic
disadvantaged populations. Don't let them do it. Murder is never
the answer.
Hey, there are lots of women who read this NG who have had an
abortion. Why don't we invite them to tell their story of joy an
relief right here where the world can see it. According to some who
post here, you women should be proud of what you have done. So here's
your opportunity to prove the pro-lifers wrong. Tell us why you
decided to have an abortion and how you and those around you have
benefitted since. I'd be particularly interested in hearing from you
women who have had more than one abortion. Surely, you must have much
to say about the benefits of abortion. If what I'm reading in this NG
is true, we should be inundated with posts of wonderful success
stories. So step forward and show your confidence that you did the
right thing.
For one thing, it is probably a very personal and private experience that
they don't want to discuss with strangers. Secondly and most importently,
it is none of your business.
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24 Feb 2004 09:29:19 PM |
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Bob <SD> wrote in message news:<Xns949887934EC84SD@153.80.109.11>...
ritpg@hotmail.com (TerryG) wrote in
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"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
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"--sexkitten--" <ladyhawk_twonospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c16ocr$1eob40$2@ID-163025.news.uni-berlin.de...
Jon Young wrote:
Please think about what you are doing.The pro-abortion movement
has tried to convince you that killing your babies is a viable,
even desirable, option. Whatever hardships you may be suffering;
and no one denies that you do suffer hardships, killing your
children is not the answer. They try to tell you that the
pre-born is not life; that is absolutely crazy.Of course it's
life. Inside or outside the womb is only a matter of geography.
They try to convince you that because you may suffer economic
troubles, that is a reason to kill your baby.Ridiculous. By that
reasoning, one should burn down their homes if they have trouble
paying the rent.Speak to some women who have murdered their
children; they will tell you of the untold guilt they suffer.
And after you've done that, speak to some who've had an abortion.
They'll tell you about the strong sense of relief.
I have never met a woman that said she had a strong sense of relief
after abortion.
I can't imagine any woman that would be relieved or happy about
killing her very own unborn child.
Really now, where do you guys get this stuff? If I was you I'd fire
the guy writing your dialogue.
The pro-abortion movement never tells you that. Abortion is
nothing more than a scheme to murder the minority and economic
disadvantaged populations. Don't let them do it. Murder is never
the answer.
Hey, there are lots of women who read this NG who have had an
abortion. Why don't we invite them to tell their story of joy an
relief right here where the world can see it. According to some who
post here, you women should be proud of what you have done. So here's
your opportunity to prove the pro-lifers wrong. Tell us why you
decided to have an abortion and how you and those around you have
benefitted since. I'd be particularly interested in hearing from you
women who have had more than one abortion. Surely, you must have much
to say about the benefits of abortion. If what I'm reading in this NG
is true, we should be inundated with posts of wonderful success
stories. So step forward and show your confidence that you did the
right thing.
For one thing, it is probably a very personal and private experience that
they don't want to discuss with strangers. Secondly and most importently,
it is none of your business.
What it is is an embarrassment at the very least and a source of great
guilt at worst. It is certainly not something women are proud of
doing. That is why no woman will share her thoughts on her own
abortion.
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| Title: Re: Mothers:Please! Don't murder your Babies. |
24 Feb 2004 10:57:29 PM |
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(TerryG) wrote in
news:7322e1ab.0402241929.5b18ad87@posting.google.com:
Bob <SD> wrote in message news:<Xns949887934EC84SD@153.80.109.11>...
(TerryG) wrote in
news:7322e1ab.0402231047.3d4a1bff@posting.google.com:
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
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"--sexkitten--" <ladyhawk_twonospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c16ocr$1eob40$2@ID-163025.news.uni-berlin.de...
Jon Young wrote:
Please think about what you are doing.The pro-abortion
movement has tried to convince you that killing your babies is
a viable, even desirable, option. Whatever hardships you may
be suffering; and no one denies that you do suffer hardships,
killing your children is not the answer. They try to tell you
that the pre-born is not life; that is absolutely crazy.Of
course it's life. Inside or outside the womb is only a matter
of geography. They try to convince you that because you may
suffer economic troubles, that is a reason to kill your
baby.Ridiculous. By that reasoning, one should burn down their
homes if they have trouble paying the rent.Speak to some women
who have murdered their children; they will tell you of the
untold guilt they suffer.
And after you've done that, speak to some who've had an
abortion. They'll tell you about the strong sense of relief.
I have never met a woman that said she had a strong sense of
relief after abortion.
I can't imagine any woman that would be relieved or happy about
killing her very own unborn child.
Really now, where do you guys get this stuff? If I was you I'd
fire the guy writing your dialogue.
The pro-abortion movement never tells you that. Abortion is
nothing more than a scheme to murder the minority and economic
disadvantaged populations. Don't let them do it. Murder is
never the answer.
Hey, there are lots of women who read this NG who have had an
abortion. Why don't we invite them to tell their story of joy an
relief right here where the world can see it. According to some
who post here, you women should be proud of what you have done. So
here's your opportunity to prove the pro-lifers wrong. Tell us why
you decided to have an abortion and how you and those around you
have benefitted since. I'd be particularly interested in hearing
from you women who have had more than one abortion. Surely, you
must have much to say about the benefits of abortion. If what I'm
reading in this NG is true, we should be inundated with posts of
wonderful success stories. So step forward and show your
confidence that you did the right thing.
For one thing, it is probably a very personal and private experience
that they don't want to discuss with strangers. Secondly and most
importently, it is none of your business.
What it is is an embarrassment at the very least and a source of great
guilt at worst. It is certainly not something women are proud of
doing. That is why no woman will share her thoughts on her own
abortion.
Once again, women do not have to discuss anything about their personal and
private lives to you or anyone else. That has nothing to do with
embarrassment, guilt, pride or any other bs reason you anti-choice loons
come up with. Myob.
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| User: "--sexkitten--" |
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| Title: Re: Mothers:Please! Don't murder your Babies. |
25 Feb 2004 01:01:33 AM |
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TerryG wrote:
Bob <SD> wrote in message news:<Xns949887934EC84SD@153.80.109.11>...
ritpg@hotmail.com (TerryG) wrote in
news:7322e1ab.0402231047.3d4a1bff@posting.google.com:
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:<ddidnY4EuNpP9KrdRVn-uA@comcast.com>...
"--sexkitten--" <ladyhawk_twonospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c16ocr$1eob40$2@ID-163025.news.uni-berlin.de...
Jon Young wrote:
Please think about what you are doing.The pro-abortion movement
has tried to convince you that killing your babies is a viable,
even desirable, option. Whatever hardships you may be suffering;
and no one denies that you do suffer hardships, killing your
children is not the answer. They try to tell you that the
pre-born is not life; that is absolutely crazy.Of course it's
life. Inside or outside the womb is only a matter of geography.
They try to convince you that because you may suffer economic
troubles, that is a reason to kill your baby.Ridiculous. By that
reasoning, one should burn down their homes if they have trouble
paying the rent.Speak to some women who have murdered their
children; they will tell you of the untold guilt they suffer.
And after you've done that, speak to some who've had an abortion.
They'll tell you about the strong sense of relief.
I have never met a woman that said she had a strong sense of relief
after abortion.
I can't imagine any woman that would be relieved or happy about
killing her very own unborn child.
Really now, where do you guys get this stuff? If I was you I'd fire
the guy writing your dialogue.
The pro-abortion movement never tells you that. Abortion is
nothing more than a scheme to murder the minority and economic
disadvantaged populations. Don't let them do it. Murder is never
the answer.
Hey, there are lots of women who read this NG who have had an
abortion. Why don't we invite them to tell their story of joy an
relief right here where the world can see it. According to some who
post here, you women should be proud of what you have done. So here's
your opportunity to prove the pro-lifers wrong. Tell us why you
decided to have an abortion and how you and those around you have
benefitted since. I'd be particularly interested in hearing from you
women who have had more than one abortion. Surely, you must have much
to say about the benefits of abortion. If what I'm reading in this NG
is true, we should be inundated with posts of wonderful success
stories. So step forward and show your confidence that you did the
right thing.
For one thing, it is probably a very personal and private experience that
they don't want to discuss with strangers. Secondly and most importently,
it is none of your business.
What it is is an embarrassment at the very least and a source of great
guilt at worst. It is certainly not something women are proud of
doing. That is why no woman will share her thoughts on her own
abortion.
Some of us have. I did. Why are you ignoring the ones who do?
And considering the lunacy and irrationality of the anti- abortion
forces, women have a very good reason not to discuss it- they might not
want to get shot.
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| User: "TerryG" |
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| Title: Re: Mothers:Please! Don't murder your Babies. |
25 Feb 2004 02:56:06 PM |
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--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_twonospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<c1hhbj$1i5bg0$2@ID-163025.news.uni-berlin.de>...
TerryG wrote:
Bob <SD> wrote in message news:<Xns949887934EC84SD@153.80.109.11>...
ritpg@hotmail.com (TerryG) wrote in
news:7322e1ab.0402231047.3d4a1bff@posting.google.com:
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:<ddidnY4EuNpP9KrdRVn-uA@comcast.com>...
"--sexkitten--" <ladyhawk_twonospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c16ocr$1eob40$2@ID-163025.news.uni-berlin.de...
Jon Young wrote:
Please think about what you are doing.The pro-abortion movement
has tried to convince you that killing your babies is a viable,
even desirable, option. Whatever hardships you may be suffering;
and no one denies that you do suffer hardships, killing your
children is not the answer. They try to tell you that the
pre-born is not life; that is absolutely crazy.Of course it's
life. Inside or outside the womb is only a matter of geography.
They try to convince you that because you may suffer economic
troubles, that is a reason to kill your baby.Ridiculous. By that
reasoning, one should burn down their homes if they have trouble
paying the rent.Speak to some women who have murdered their
children; they will tell you of the untold guilt they suffer.
And after you've done that, speak to some who've had an abortion.
They'll tell you about the strong sense of relief.
I have never met a woman that said she had a strong sense of relief
after abortion.
I can't imagine any woman that would be relieved or happy about
killing her very own unborn child.
Really now, where do you guys get this stuff? If I was you I'd fire
the guy writing your dialogue.
The pro-abortion movement never tells you that. Abortion is
nothing more than a scheme to murder the minority and economic
disadvantaged populations. Don't let them do it. Murder is never
the answer.
Hey, there are lots of women who read this NG who have had an
abortion. Why don't we invite them to tell their story of joy an
relief right here where the world can see it. According to some who
post here, you women should be proud of what you have done. So here's
your opportunity to prove the pro-lifers wrong. Tell us why you
decided to have an abortion and how you and those around you have
benefitted since. I'd be particularly interested in hearing from you
women who have had more than one abortion. Surely, you must have much
to say about the benefits of abortion. If what I'm reading in this NG
is true, we should be inundated with posts of wonderful success
stories. So step forward and show your confidence that you did the
right thing.
For one thing, it is probably a very personal and private experience that
they don't want to discuss with strangers. Secondly and most importently,
it is none of your business.
What it is is an embarrassment at the very least and a source of great
guilt at worst. It is certainly not something women are proud of
doing. That is why no woman will share her thoughts on her own
abortion.
Some of us have. I did. Why are you ignoring the ones who do?
And considering the lunacy and irrationality of the anti- abortion
forces, women have a very good reason not to discuss it- they might not
want to get shot.
Since you've already posted your experience, why don't you re-post it
or direct me to your old post. I've very interested in hearing how
good you feel about your abortion and why you feel that way. If
you're proud of what you did, flaunt it. Have the courage to stand up
for what you believe.
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| User: "--sexkitten--" |
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| Title: Re: Mothers:Please! Don't murder your Babies. |
25 Feb 2004 04:45:09 PM |
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TerryG wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_twonospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<c1hhbj$1i5bg0$2@ID-163025.news.uni-berlin.de>...
TerryG wrote:
Bob <SD> wrote in message news:<Xns949887934EC84SD@153.80.109.11>...
ritpg@hotmail.com (TerryG) wrote in
news:7322e1ab.0402231047.3d4a1bff@posting.google.com:
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:<ddidnY4EuNpP9KrdRVn-uA@comcast.com>...
"--sexkitten--" <ladyhawk_twonospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c16ocr$1eob40$2@ID-163025.news.uni-berlin.de...
Jon Young wrote:
Please think about what you are doing.The pro-abortion movement
has tried to convince you that killing your babies is a viable,
even desirable, option. Whatever hardships you may be suffering;
and no one denies that you do suffer hardships, killing your
children is not the answer. They try to tell you that the
pre-born is not life; that is absolutely crazy.Of course it's
life. Inside or outside the womb is only a matter of geography.
They try to convince you that because you may suffer economic
troubles, that is a reason to kill your baby.Ridiculous. By that
reasoning, one should burn down their homes if they have trouble
paying the rent.Speak to some women who have murdered their
children; they will tell you of the untold guilt they suffer.
And after you've done that, speak to some who've had an abortion.
They'll tell you about the strong sense of relief.
I have never met a woman that said she had a strong sense of relief
after abortion.
I can't imagine any woman that would be relieved or happy about
killing her very own unborn child.
Really now, where do you guys get this stuff? If I was you I'd fire
the guy writing your dialogue.
The pro-abortion movement never tells you that. Abortion is
nothing more than a scheme to murder the minority and economic
disadvantaged populations. Don't let them do it. Murder is never
the answer.
Hey, there are lots of women who read this NG who have had an
abortion. Why don't we invite them to tell their story of joy an
relief right here where the world can see it. According to some who
post here, you women should be proud of what you have done. So here's
your opportunity to prove the pro-lifers wrong. Tell us why you
decided to have an abortion and how you and those around you have
benefitted since. I'd be particularly interested in hearing from you
women who have had more than one abortion. Surely, you must have much
to say about the benefits of abortion. If what I'm reading in this NG
is true, we should be inundated with posts of wonderful success
stories. So step forward and show your confidence that you did the
right thing.
For one thing, it is probably a very personal and private experience that
they don't want to discuss with strangers. Secondly and most importently,
it is none of your business.
What it is is an embarrassment at the very least and a source of great
guilt at worst. It is certainly not something women are proud of
doing. That is why no woman will share her thoughts on her own
abortion.
Some of us have. I did. Why are you ignoring the ones who do?
And considering the lunacy and irrationality of the anti- abortion
forces, women have a very good reason not to discuss it- they might not
want to get shot.
Since you've already posted your experience, why don't you re-post it
or direct me to your old post. I've very interested in hearing how
good you feel about your abortion and why you feel that way. If
you're proud of what you did, flaunt it. Have the courage to stand up
for what you believe.
And here, sweetie, just in case my word ain't good nuff for ya:
http://imnotsorry.net/
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| User: "TerryG" |
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26 Feb 2004 09:08:47 AM |
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--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_twonospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<c1j8kr$1i3kc4$2@ID-163025.news.uni-berlin.de>...
TerryG wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_twonospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<c1hhbj$1i5bg0$2@ID-163025.news.uni-berlin.de>...
TerryG wrote:
Bob <SD> wrote in message news:<Xns949887934EC84SD@153.80.109.11>...
ritpg@hotmail.com (TerryG) wrote in
news:7322e1ab.0402231047.3d4a1bff@posting.google.com:
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:<ddidnY4EuNpP9KrdRVn-uA@comcast.com>...
"--sexkitten--" <ladyhawk_twonospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c16ocr$1eob40$2@ID-163025.news.uni-berlin.de...
Jon Young wrote:
Please think about what you are doing.The pro-abortion movement
has tried to convince you that killing your babies is a viable,
even desirable, option. Whatever hardships you may be suffering;
and no one denies that you do suffer hardships, killing your
children is not the answer. They try to tell you that the
pre-born is not life; that is absolutely crazy.Of course it's
life. Inside or outside the womb is only a matter of geography.
They try to convince you that because you may suffer economic
troubles, that is a reason to kill your baby.Ridiculous. By that
reasoning, one should burn down their homes if they have trouble
paying the rent.Speak to some women who have murdered their
children; they will tell you of the untold guilt they suffer.
And after you've done that, speak to some who've had an abortion.
They'll tell you about the strong sense of relief.
I have never met a woman that said she had a strong sense of relief
after abortion.
I can't imagine any woman that would be relieved or happy about
killing her very own unborn child.
Really now, where do you guys get this stuff? If I was you I'd fire
the guy writing your dialogue.
The pro-abortion movement never tells you that. Abortion is
nothing more than a scheme to murder the minority and economic
disadvantaged populations. Don't let them do it. Murder is never
the answer.
Hey, there are lots of women who read this NG who have had an
abortion. Why don't we invite them to tell their story of joy an
relief right here where the world can see it. According to some who
post here, you women should be proud of what you have done. So here's
your opportunity to prove the pro-lifers wrong. Tell us why you
decided to have an abortion and how you and those around you have
benefitted since. I'd be particularly interested in hearing from you
women who have had more than one abortion. Surely, you must have much
to say about the benefits of abortion. If what I'm reading in this NG
is true, we should be inundated with posts of wonderful success
stories. So step forward and show your confidence that you did the
right thing.
For one thing, it is probably a very personal and private experience that
they don't want to discuss with strangers. Secondly and most importently,
it is none of your business.
What it is is an embarrassment at the very least and a source of great
guilt at worst. It is certainly not something women are proud of
doing. That is why no woman will share her thoughts on her own
abortion.
Some of us have. I did. Why are you ignoring the ones who do?
And considering the lunacy and irrationality of the anti- abortion
forces, women have a very good reason not to discuss it- they might not
want to get shot.
Since you've already posted your experience, why don't you re-post it
or direct me to your old post. I've very interested in hearing how
good you feel about your abortion and why you feel that way. If
you're proud of what you did, flaunt it. Have the courage to stand up
for what you believe.
And here, sweetie, just in case my word ain't good nuff for ya:
http://imnotsorry.net/
Fair enough. I just read a random sampling of the posts on the web
site you provided and the following are what I consider to be the key
elements of each:
"it was better having an abortion than bringing a child into the world
which I could not support - and under no circumstances would I give
birth and give up my child for adooption" (from an 85 year old woman
who had had 4 abortions prior to her 1st marriage and then could never
get pregnant afte marriage - interesting)
"I knew it was not the right time for me anymore to bring another
child into the world. I couldn't picture myself with a teenager at one
end of the spectrum and a baby at the other" (the woman was all of 40)
"I met the guy at a New Year's Eve house party. I didn't intend to
Sleep with him, but my "no" eventually became "nokay." (this woman
aborted her baby on her mother's birthday - an interesting fact to
voluntarily share - no guilt there, I'm sure)
"That child would have grown up watching his father carry on like a
madman, and his mother get beaten." (interestingly, this woman left
her husband so the child she aborted never had to be exposed to him)
"I *never* regretted it. It had been a logical and intellectual
decision based on reality...I looked into my future and realized I
would never finish college with two children, that we'd be on welfare
for life, it was just too much for me" (this woman had at least 2
pregnancies outside of marriage)
"I spent a lot of the first few weeks that I suspected I was pregnant
in denial and fear. Fear of what my friends and parents might say.
Finally, I shared my plight with older sister. She was in college at
the time and oddly enough had had an abortion only weeks before. (And
she's not sorry either!) She convinced me to go to my parents - she
broke the news to them for me (it was what I wanted) and then they and
I talked. They totally supported me in my decision to have an
abortion. My father is a doctor, my mother a nurse. They made the
arrangements and stood by me. I never again doubted how far they would
go for me." (pregnant at 15)
"This unintended pregnancy was something that had happened to me, a
bodily function, like catching a cold or having a toothache. The fetus
had no more distinct a conceptual existence apart from my body, than
it could have had a separate physical existence. And the abortion was
less painful than a tooth extraction, and not any more emotionally
traumatic." (I'm not surprised she feels this way)
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| User: "--sexkitten--" |
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| Title: Re: Mothers:Please! Don't murder your Babies. |
26 Feb 2004 04:20:48 PM |
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TerryG wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_twonospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<c1j8kr$1i3kc4$2@ID-163025.news.uni-berlin.de>...
TerryG wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_twonospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<c1hhbj$1i5bg0$2@ID-163025.news.uni-berlin.de>...
TerryG wrote:
Bob <SD> wrote in message news:<Xns949887934EC84SD@153.80.109.11>...
ritpg@hotmail.com (TerryG) wrote in
news:7322e1ab.0402231047.3d4a1bff@posting.google.com:
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:<ddidnY4EuNpP9KrdRVn-uA@comcast.com>...
"--sexkitten--" <ladyhawk_twonospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c16ocr$1eob40$2@ID-163025.news.uni-berlin.de...
Jon Young wrote:
Please think about what you are doing.The pro-abortion movement
has tried to convince you that killing your babies is a viable,
even desirable, option. Whatever hardships you may be suffering;
and no one denies that you do suffer hardships, killing your
children is not the answer. They try to tell you that the
pre-born is not life; that is absolutely crazy.Of course it's
life. Inside or outside the womb is only a matter of geography.
They try to convince you that because you may suffer economic
troubles, that is a reason to kill your baby.Ridiculous. By that
reasoning, one should burn down their homes if they have trouble
paying the rent.Speak to some women who have murdered their
children; they will tell you of the untold guilt they suffer.
And after you've done that, speak to some who've had an abortion.
They'll tell you about the strong sense of relief.
I have never met a woman that said she had a strong sense of relief
after abortion.
I can't imagine any woman that would be relieved or happy about
killing her very own unborn child.
Really now, where do you guys get this stuff? If I was you I'd fire
the guy writing your dialogue.
The pro-abortion movement never tells you that. Abortion is
nothing more than a scheme to murder the minority and economic
disadvantaged populations. Don't let them do it. Murder is never
the answer.
Hey, there are lots of women who read this NG who have had an
abortion. Why don't we invite them to tell their story of joy an
relief right here where the world can see it. According to some who
post here, you women should be proud of what you have done. So here's
your opportunity to prove the pro-lifers wrong. Tell us why you
decided to have an abortion and how you and those around you have
benefitted since. I'd be particularly interested in hearing from you
women who have had more than one abortion. Surely, you must have much
to say about the benefits of abortion. If what I'm reading in this NG
is true, we should be inundated with posts of wonderful success
stories. So step forward and show your confidence that you did the
right thing.
For one thing, it is probably a very personal and private experience that
they don't want to discuss with strangers. Secondly and most importently,
it is none of your business.
What it is is an embarrassment at the very least and a source of great
guilt at worst. It is certainly not something women are proud of
doing. That is why no woman will share her thoughts on her own
abortion.
Some of us have. I did. Why are you ignoring the ones who do?
And considering the lunacy and irrationality of the anti- abortion
forces, women have a very good reason not to discuss it- they might not
want to get shot.
Since you've already posted your experience, why don't you re-post it
or direct me to your old post. I've very interested in hearing how
good you feel about your abortion and why you feel that way. If
you're proud of what you did, flaunt it. Have the courage to stand up
for what you believe.
And here, sweetie, just in case my word ain't good nuff for ya:
http://imnotsorry.net/
Fair enough. I just read a random sampling of the posts on the web
site you provided and the following are what I consider to be the key
elements of each:
"it was better having an abortion than bringing a child into the world
which I could not support - and under no circumstances would I give
birth and give up my child for adooption" (from an 85 year old woman
who had had 4 abortions prior to her 1st marriage and then could never
get pregnant afte marriage - interesting)
And?
"I knew it was not the right time for me anymore to bring another
child into the world. I couldn't picture myself with a teenager at one
end of the spectrum and a baby at the other" (the woman was all of 40)
And?
"I met the guy at a New Year's Eve house party. I didn't intend to
Sleep with him, but my "no" eventually became "nokay." (this woman
aborted her baby on her mother's birthday - an interesting fact to
voluntarily share - no guilt there, I'm sure)
And?
"That child would have grown up watching his father carry on like a
madman, and his mother get beaten." (interestingly, this woman left
her husband so the child she aborted never had to be exposed to him)
And?
"I *never* regretted it. It had been a logical and intellectual
decision based on reality...I looked into my future and realized I
would never finish college with two children, that we'd be on welfare
for life, it was just too much for me" (this woman had at least 2
pregnancies outside of marriage)
And?
"I spent a lot of the first few weeks that I suspected I was pregnant
in denial and fear. Fear of what my friends and parents might say.
Finally, I shared my plight with older sister. She was in college at
the time and oddly enough had had an abortion only weeks before. (And
she's not sorry either!) She convinced me to go to my parents - she
broke the news to them for me (it was what I wanted) and then they and
I talked. They totally supported me in my decision to have an
abortion. My father is a doctor, my mother a nurse. They made the
arrangements and stood by me. I never again doubted how far they would
go for me." (pregnant at 15)
And?
"This unintended pregnancy was something that had happened to me, a
bodily function, like catching a cold or having a toothache. The fetus
had no more distinct a conceptual existence apart from my body, than
it could have had a separate physical existence. And the abortion was
less painful than a tooth extraction, and not any more emotionally
traumatic." (I'm not surprised she feels this way)
And?
Did you have a point here somewhere other than how beneficial abortions
were to these women?
.
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| User: "TerryG" |
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| Title: Re: Mothers:Please! Don't murder your Babies. |
27 Feb 2004 07:37:05 AM |
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Jon Young wrote:
Please think about what you are doing.The pro-abortion movement
has tried to convince you that killing your babies is a viable,
even desirable, option. Whatever hardships you may be suffering;
and no one denies that you do suffer hardships, killing your
children is not the answer. They try to tell you that the
pre-born is not life; that is absolutely crazy.Of course it's
life. Inside or outside the womb is only a matter of geography.
They try to convince you that because you may suffer economic
troubles, that is a reason to kill your baby.Ridiculous. By that
reasoning, one should burn down their homes if they have trouble
paying the rent.Speak to some women who have murdered their
children; they will tell you of the untold guilt they suffer.
And after you've done that, speak to some who've had an abortion.
They'll tell you about the strong sense of relief.
I have never met a woman that said she had a strong sense of relief
after abortion.
I can't imagine any woman that would be relieved or happy about
killing her very own unborn child.
Really now, where do you guys get this stuff? If I was you I'd fire
the guy writing your dialogue.
The pro-abortion movement never tells you that. Abortion is
nothing more than a scheme to murder the minority and economic
disadvantaged populations. Don't let them do it. Murder is never
the answer.
Hey, there are lots of women who read this NG who have had an
abortion. Why don't we invite them to tell their story of joy an
relief right here where the world can see it. According to some who
post here, you women should be proud of what you have done. So here's
your opportunity to prove the pro-lifers wrong. Tell us why you
decided to have an abortion and how you and those around you have
benefitted since. I'd be particularly interested in hearing from you
women who have had more than one abortion. Surely, you must have much
to say about the benefits of abortion. If what I'm reading in this NG
is true, we should be inundated with posts of wonderful success
stories. So step forward and show your confidence that you did the
right thing.
For one thing, it is probably a very personal and private experience that
they don't want to discuss with strangers. Secondly and most importently,
it is none of your business.
What it is is an embarrassment at the very least and a source of great
guilt at worst. It is certainly not something women are proud of
doing. That is why no woman will share her thoughts on her own
abortion.
Some of us have. I did. Why are you ignoring the ones who do?
And considering the lunacy and irrationality of the anti- abortion
forces, women have a very good reason not to discuss it- they might not
want to get shot.
Since you've already posted your experience, why don't you re-post it
or direct me to your old post. I've very interested in hearing how
good you feel about your abortion and why you feel that way. If
you're proud of what you did, flaunt it. Have the courage to stand up
for what you believe.
And here, sweetie, just in case my word ain't good nuff for ya:
http://imnotsorry.net/
Fair enough. I just read a random sampling of the posts on the web
site you provided and the following are what I consider to be the key
elements of each:
"it was better having an abortion than bringing a child into the world
which I could not support - and under no circumstances would I give
birth and give up my child for adooption" (from an 85 year old woman
who had had 4 abortions prior to her 1st marriage and then could never
get pregnant afte marriage - interesting)
And?
"I knew it was not the right time for me anymore to bring another
child into the world. I couldn't picture myself with a teenager at one
end of the spectrum and a baby at the other" (the woman was all of 40)
And?
"I met the guy at a New Year's Eve house party. I didn't intend to
Sleep with him, but my "no" eventually became "nokay." (this woman
aborted her baby on her mother's birthday - an interesting fact to
voluntarily share - no guilt there, I'm sure)
And?
"That child would have grown up watching his father carry on like a
madman, and his mother get beaten." (interestingly, this woman left
her husband so the child she aborted never had to be exposed to him)
And?
"I *never* regretted it. It had been a logical and intellectual
decision based on reality...I looked into my future and realized I
would never finish college with two children, that we'd be on welfare
for life, it was just too much for me" (this woman had at least 2
pregnancies outside of marriage)
And?
"I spent a lot of the first few weeks that I suspected I was pregnant
in denial and fear. Fear of what my friends and parents might say.
Finally, I shared my plight with older sister. She was in college at
the time and oddly enough had had an abortion only weeks before. (And
she's not sorry either!) She convinced me to go to my parents - she
broke the news to them for me (it was what I wanted) and then they and
I talked. They totally supported me in my decision to have an
abortion. My father is a doctor, my mother a nurse. They made the
arrangements and stood by me. I never again doubted how far they would
go for me." (pregnant at 15)
And?
"This unintended pregnancy was something that had happened to me, a
bodily function, like catching a cold or having a toothache. The fetus
had no more distinct a conceptual existence apart from my body, than
it could have had a separate physical existence. And the abortion was
less painful than a tooth extraction, and not any more emotionally
traumatic." (I'm not surprised she feels this way)
And?
Did you have a point here somewhere other than how beneficial abortions
were to these women?
It is what it is. I was simply summarizing all the reasons women
typically kill their babies. Now to someone like you, this means
nothing. I would expect nothing more from you. But to women with a
conscience, women who know in their hearts that destroying the human
life within them for nothing but selfish reason is wrong, the excerpts
I provided will hopefully make a difference. You provided the
material. And because you are so devoid of character, you never even
recognized what you were doing.
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On 27 Feb 2004 05:37:05 -0800, (TerryG) in
alt.abortion with message-id
<7322e1ab.0402270537.1285063c@posting.google.com> wrote:
And?
Did you have a point here somewhere other than how beneficial abortions
were to these women?
It is what it is. I was simply summarizing all the reasons women
typically kill their babies.
No, these are some of the reasons some women terminated their
pregnancy. No babies were killed.
Now to someone like you, this means
nothing. I would expect nothing more from you. But to women with a
conscience
Precisely what does that mean? It sounds like a vague statement
devoid of much specific content.
women who know in their hearts that destroying the human
life within them for nothing but selfish reason is wrong,
Right and wrong have no intrinsic values and will change from person
to person and over time.
the excerpts
I provided will hopefully make a difference.
Yes, perhaps it will help other women to make an honest decision
without being unduly influenced by fear, religion, or social
pressure.
You provided the
material. And because you are so devoid of character, you never even
recognized what you were doing.
Providing factual material is being devoid of character? Does that
mean character requires interpretation of facts to explain what they
'really' mean?
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27 Feb 2004 04:59:34 PM |
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TerryG wrote:
And?
Did you have a point here somewhere other than how beneficial abortions
were to these women?
It is what it is. I was simply summarizing all the reasons women
typically kill their babies.
None of the above- mentioned women killed a baby to my knowledge.
Neither did I.
Now to someone like you, this means
nothing. I would expect nothing more from you.
Hey, you asked. I notice you completely ignored my own post. Why is
that? <<GGG>>
But to women with a
conscience, women who know in their hearts that destroying the human
life within them for nothing but selfish reason is wrong,
Those are two completely different categories.
the excerpts
I provided will hopefully make a difference.
Not to burst your bubble, but I'm pretty sure those women's stories, and
others like them, already have made a difference without your help. They
certainly give the lie not only to the anto- abort claim that women
suffer horribly from abortions, but also your claim that none of those
with a beneficial experience would share it.
You provided the
material. And because you are so devoid of character, you never even
recognized what you were doing.
Telling the truth? Always a character flaw among the anti- aborts, but
pro- choice people actually enjoy it. Try it sometime.
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03 Mar 2004 11:49:57 AM |
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TerryG wrote:
And?
Did you have a point here somewhere other than how beneficial abortions
were to these women?
It is what it is. I was simply summarizing all the reasons women
typically kill their babies.
None of the above- mentioned women killed a baby to my knowledge.
Neither did I.
Now to someone like you, this means
nothing. I would expect nothing more from you.
Hey, you asked. I notice you completely ignored my own post. Why is
that? <<GGG>>
But to women with a
conscience, women who know in their hearts that destroying the human
life within them for nothing but selfish reason is wrong,
Those are two completely different categories.
the excerpts
I provided will hopefully make a difference.
Not to burst your bubble, but I'm pretty sure those women's stories, and
others like them, already have made a difference without your help. They
certainly give the lie not only to the anto- abort claim that women
suffer horribly from abortions, but also your claim that none of those
with a beneficial experience would share it.
You provided the
material. And because you are so devoid of character, you never even
recognized what you were doing.
Telling the truth? Always a character flaw among the anti- aborts, but
pro- choice people actually enjoy it. Try it sometime.
If you're saying I misrepresented what women wrote in their posts,
then you are the liar.
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03 Mar 2004 05:41:13 PM |
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TerryG wrote:
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TerryG wrote:
And?
Did you have a point here somewhere other than how beneficial abortions
were to these women?
It is what it is. I was simply summarizing all the reasons women
typically kill their babies.
None of the above- mentioned women killed a baby to my knowledge.
Neither did I.
No answer??
<GGGGGG>
Now to someone like you, this means
nothing. I would expect nothing more from you.
Hey, you asked. I notice you completely ignored my own post. Why is
that? <<GGG>>
No answer??
<GGGGGG>
But to women with a
conscience, women who know in their hearts that destroying the human
life within them for nothing but selfish reason is wrong,
Those are two completely different categories.
the excerpts
I provided will hopefully make a difference.
Not to burst your bubble, but I'm pretty sure those women's stories, and
others like them, already have made a difference without your help. They
certainly give the lie not only to the anto- abort claim that women
suffer horribly from abortions, but also your claim that none of those
with a beneficial experience would share it.
No answer??
<GGGGGG>
You provided the
material. And because you are so devoid of character, you never even
recognized what you were doing.
Telling the truth? Always a character flaw among the anti- aborts, but
pro- choice people actually enjoy it. Try it sometime.
If you're saying I misrepresented what women wrote in their posts,
then you are the liar.
I simply pointed out that these women had a beneficial experience with
abortion. You claimed that couldn't happen. You copied pieces from a
teenager, an abused wife, an older woman who already had a child, a
college student, and an 85 year old woman. I found your comments about
that last one to be the most interesting- at her age, those abortions
would have been back- alley and probably less than safe, and then you
mock the fact that she never had children after she was married. Big
surprise! As for the rest- sure, teenagers, welfare moms and abused
women all make WONDERFUL mothers. Great environment to raise a child in.
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26 Feb 2004 12:03:44 AM |
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--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_twonospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<c1j8kr$1i3kc4$2@ID-163025.news.uni-berlin.de>...
Thankyou for your latest thread. That was a very couragous act you
have done for the cause. Bless you,and stay strong.No one amonst us
would judge you negatively and certainly God would not.Thankyou once
again.
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26 Feb 2004 03:03:14 AM |
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Jon Young wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_twonospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<c1j8kr$1i3kc4$2@ID-163025.news.uni-berlin.de>...
Thankyou for your latest thread. That was a very couragous act you
have done for the cause. Bless you,and stay strong.No one amonst us
would judge you negatively and certainly God would not.Thankyou once
again.
Thank you.
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25 Feb 2004 04:39:45 PM |
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TerryG wrote:
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TerryG wrote:
Bob <SD> wrote in message news:<Xns949887934EC84SD@153.80.109.11>...
ritpg@hotmail.com (TerryG) wrote in
news:7322e1ab.0402231047.3d4a1bff@posting.google.com:
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
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"--sexkitten--" <ladyhawk_twonospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c16ocr$1eob40$2@ID-163025.news.uni-berlin.de...
Jon Young wrote:
Please think about what you are doing.The pro-abortion movement
has tried to convince you that killing your babies is a viable,
even desirable, option. Whatever hardships you may be suffering;
and no one denies that you do suffer hardships, killing your
children is not the answer. They try to tell you that the
pre-born is not life; that is absolutely crazy.Of course it's
life. Inside or outside the womb is only a matter of geography.
They try to convince you that because you may suffer economic
troubles, that is a reason to kill your baby.Ridiculous. By that
reasoning, one should burn down their homes if they have trouble
paying the rent.Speak to some women who have murdered their
children; they will tell you of the untold guilt they suffer.
And after you've done that, speak to some who've had an abortion.
They'll tell you about the strong sense of relief.
I have never met a woman that said she had a strong sense of relief
after abortion.
I can't imagine any woman that would be relieved or happy about
killing her very own unborn child.
Really now, where do you guys get this stuff? If I was you I'd fire
the guy writing your dialogue.
The pro-abortion movement never tells you that. Abortion is
nothing more than a scheme to murder the minority and economic
disadvantaged populations. Don't let them do it. Murder is never
the answer.
Hey, there are lots of women who read this NG who have had an
abortion. Why don't we invite them to tell their story of joy an
relief right here where the world can see it. According to some who
post here, you women should be proud of what you have done. So here's
your opportunity to prove the pro-lifers wrong. Tell us why you
decided to have an abortion and how you and those around you have
benefitted since. I'd be particularly interested in hearing from you
women who have had more than one abortion. Surely, you must have much
to say about the benefits of abortion. If what I'm reading in this NG
is true, we should be inundated with posts of wonderful success
stories. So step forward and show your confidence that you did the
right thing.
For one thing, it is probably a very personal and private experience that
they don't want to discuss with strangers. Secondly and most importently,
it is none of your business.
What it is is an embarrassment at the very least and a source of great
guilt at worst. It is certainly not something women are proud of
doing. That is why no woman will share her thoughts on her own
abortion.
Some of us have. I did. Why are you ignoring the ones who do?
And considering the lunacy and irrationality of the anti- abortion
forces, women have a very good reason not to discuss it- they might not
want to get shot.
Since you've already posted your experience, why don't you re-post it
or direct me to your old post. I've very interested in hearing how
good you feel about your abortion and why you feel that way. If
you're proud of what you did, flaunt it. Have the courage to stand up
for what you believe.
OK. I had two, both of them birth control failures. I also had one
unwanted pregnancy where the child was placed f | | | | | | | | |
