Parsifal wrote:

Is this the only thing you ever think of, J Young? Sex? And other
people's sex life?
The sexual education in the USA is a disaster and I'm surprised a
taliban like you opposes REAL education and real policies to decrease
the astronomical rate of teen pregnancies.
Of course, abstinence is the safest way. But, in the real world,
teaching "abstinence" is the most idiotic thing to do.

Why?

What's wrong with teaching that WITH teaching safe sex as well?

Why not teach the kids all the different methods and ideas?

How do you

explain the low rate of abortion in such liberal countries like the
Netherlands, Denmark and Scandinavia compared to the one in the US?

Can you explain it?

Values?
Norms?
Population?
Morals?

Parsifal wrote:

Is this the only thing you ever think of, J Young? Sex? And other
people's sex life?
The sexual education in the USA is a disaster and I'm surprised a
taliban like you opposes REAL education and real policies to decrease
the astronomical rate of teen pregnancies.
Of course, abstinence is the safest way. But, in the real world,
teaching "abstinence" is the most idiotic thing to do.

Why?

What's wrong with teaching that WITH teaching safe sex as well?

Why not teach the kids all the different methods and ideas?

Morals
"One last note: I am very surprised at your reaction especially after
just a few short months ago I provided a copy of my DD214 Right in
box 18...1st line it says... SERVED 2 AUG 90 TO 1 OCT 94 IN SUPPORT
OF OPERATION DESERT SHIELD/STORM and in box 13 NATIONAL DEFENSE SERVICE
MEDAL Funny how you have selective memory, why? Yes, I served in combat
during Desert Storm."

http://groups.google.com/group/talk.abortion/msg/38f5de5691243868?dmode=source&hl=en


"Fine, if you want to play on words...no I was not in actual "combat" "

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/db12fe6b6ec66a35?dmode=source&hl=en

Conspiracy of Doves wrote:

J Young wrote:

Despite the rantings of the LLL ( Looney Liberal Left ), morality, virtue,
and decency are once again attributes that our nation's young are proud to
possess.



http://www.lifenews.com/nat2021.html





New Poll: Teens, Young Adults Support Abstinence, Say It's Effective


Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- A new poll about abstinence finds the
practice has strong support from the people who matter most -- teenagers
and
young adults. They support abstinence and say that it's effective in
reducing unplanned pregnancies and lowers AIDS rates.
A new Harris Poll reveals 56 percent of those 18 to 24 and 60 percent of
people 25 to 29 think abstinence programs reduce the rates of HIV and
AIDS.

Meanwhile, 49 percent of 18 to 24 year-olds and 60 percent of 25 to 29
year-olds say abstinence education programs are effective in reducing the
number of unwanted pregnancies.

According to a Washington Times story, younger age categories were the
most
likely of six age groups to find abstinence education effective, and they
should know.

"The most striking, and surely the most important differences among
various
demographic groups are the differences between younger and older adults,"
the poll indicated. "Adults under the age of 30 are more likely to believe
that abstinence programs are effective, and it is of course these adults
who
are the main targets for the programs."

In fact the percentage support for abstinence education lowered with every
increase in age category, with just 37 percent of those 65 or older
supporting such programs.

The Harris Poll also found sharp partisan divisions on abstinence with
Republicans more supportive and Democrats more likely to oppose such
programs.

Some 50 percent of Republicans found abstinence education programs to be
effective against AIDS and 46 percent said they were successful in
reducing
unplanned pregnancies. Among Democrats the numbers were 39 and 28 percent.

Other polls have found much stronger support for abstinence education.

An August 2005 survey conducted by the Pew Research Center for The People
&
The Press found 76 percent of those polled favored teaching abstinence
education in schools while just 20 percent opposed.

A January 2004 Zogby International poll shows parents overwhelmingly
support
abstinence education for teenagers.

Out of the 1,004 parents surveyed across the nation, 96 percent said
abstinence is best for teens. Only 39.9 percent thought that abstinence
and
contraception should be combined in a single class.

The Harris Poll was conducted from December 8 to 14 and surveyed 1,961
adults.

Of course abstinince works, the point is that TEACHING abstinince
doesn't work.

Oh, I don't think that's correct.

I am sure that the vast majority,
teaching abstinence doesn't have any or little effect; however, I am
sure that a few do listen and will practice. I don't think it's fair
to say that it doesn't work. It may, even if it is just a few who
listen.

When you have a poll taker asking questions kids are

going to say one thing. When a guy and a girl are in a parked car at
night with no one else around, all that common sense is going to go
flying out the window.

Depends.

It depends on a lot of things, their background, how they were raised,
their own personal values and morals. There are girls out there that
still say no, and believe it or not, some boys who do believe in
waiting for marriage. The percentages of these kids might be low.

One of the things that christian fundementalists are blinded from by
thier rose-colored fantasyland is that teenagers are great big gooey
blobs of raging hormones.

Wait a minute, weren't you the one who just said "When a guy and a girl
are in a parked car at night with no one else around, all that common
sense is going to go flying out the window"?

That would implicate that their hormones have just taken over all
common sense.

You think a sense of responsibility is going

to survive in the face of a billion years worth (I don't give a crap
HOW old you believe the world is) of species survival instinct? Priests
who have had years of training can't even keep it in thier pants. Maybe
a few of the kids can do it, but I for one would rather they know how
to use a condom.

And that's good, there is nothing wrong with teaching kids that they
should use birth control methods, such as condoms. Not only to prevent
pregnancy but to also prevent the spread of STD's.

That still doesn't mean we shouldn't teach abstinence as in conjunction
with teaching safe birth control methods.

In EVERY SINGLE CASE, kids who have had REAL sex education that
included contraception, there has been far fewer teen pregnancies than
with kids who have have just been told not to have sex.

Imagine what the statistics would show to those kids who are taught
both.

The parents can

have any opinion they want, it doesn't make them right. Real-world
evidence trumps unsupported opinions every time.

Depends on who's version of the "real-world" you are talking about.

Your's or everyone elses?

I
"One last note: I am very surprised at your reaction especially after
just a few short months ago I provided a copy of my DD214 Right in
box 18...1st line it says... SERVED 2 AUG 90 TO 1 OCT 94 IN SUPPORT
OF OPERATION DESERT SHIELD/STORM and in box 13 NATIONAL DEFENSE SERVICE
MEDAL Funny how you have selective memory, why? Yes, I served in combat
during Desert Storm."

http://groups.google.com/group/talk.abortion/msg/38f5de5691243868?dmode=source&hl=en


"Fine, if you want to play on words...no I was not in actual "combat" "

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/db12fe6b6ec66a35?dmode=source&hl=en