"--tomcat--" <not@naddress.com> wrote in message

Possibly the first honest words to come from you.

That's an idiotic thing to say considering the length of my PH and the
fact that I have posted many times on politics and history...most of
which contain commonly-known facts that you would have to deny.

First, how do I know that you even have a PH.

You're kidding me, right? (You and sk are a perfect couple. That is,
perfectly stupid.)

Second, even if you do, as far as I can tell you truly did not earn it.

You don't "earn" a PH. You create one over the time you spend on
Usenet.

2.] Comparing the fetus to people who knowingly commit force against
others decimates your argument that they are not indeed fully human.

By your definition, then you agree that the fetus is not fully human

No, my definition merely proves the proabortion argument illogical.

I do not argue that pregnancy is a force, but that doesn't render my
position that the fetus is human invalid just because some people's
arguments are stupid. You can still be human and not be committing a
force.

In order to justify your position, you have to show how pregnancy is a
show of violent, life threatening force for every abortion committed.

In order to justify Your position, you have to show how a crime is being
commited by removing a not fully human/fetus from a womb.

Since my position is that the fetus is fully human and alive, removing
it from the womb and killing it is evil.

Good thing I don't live by your opinion, then.

You might one day since your position is extremist. Not even a court
of law would agree with you arguing the way you do.

If letting women having a choice of what they can or cannot do with

own body is an extremist, then by this definition I am.

Except that if you support abortion, what you support is letting women
have a choice over someone else's body, since abortion has little to do

Is *that* where all this jealousy stems from?

Rest assured that you are fooling yourself if you think you've gotten
anything over on me, or that your debating even holds a candle to my
own.

I think hers is a blow torch to your matchstick.

Interesting you use the word "blow" in a sentence to describe her.
How apt.

You don't have the capability to live life the way I do. Therefore
you aren't even programmed to want it.

Who would want it when it sounds pretty sad.

How could it sound sad since I never told you anything about it?

Programmed? If we are just robots being programmed,

Human beings have a programming in that it could be termed a
conscience. In some (like you and sk here) it's not fully functional,
but you get the idea.

It's been eventful and I've
rarely been bored.

Well, that's certainly a gold standard to live up to.

Then change you attitude at least, you will have your own opinion either
way, but you can stop being rude about it and let others live their life
regardless how you feel.

How have I not "let others live their lives?"

Apparently you and sexkitten will continue to lead your stupidlives
regardless of how logical someone else's arguments against them are.

I sincerely doubt your life would hold anything that

would tempt me.

Of course not--I don't live a life of temptations as you apparently
do.

Sad...must be boring

Nope.

I don't live my life appealing to my base appetites like you do.

Is that all you think we do?

I know it's what you do.

I, however, will be living long after your appetites have consumed

Living is enjoying, life, flowers, love, Choices.

Well, for some people. If someone happens to be living inside their
mother, they apparently aren't entitled to live, enjoyment, flowers,
love, or choices.

(Fricking hippy.)

It is better to live and
love than die of old age in loneness.

See if you still believe that after you die.

Bethe? Reptile?

Them too, since they are apparently alive and well enough to shoot off
their keyboards here on Usenet.

They had a hard time and is lucky to be here.

It had nothing to do with luck, but rather the fact that they live in
post-industrialized nations. (You know, where we use plurals.)

Have you ever had a pregnancy? If not then you have no right to talk.

I have every right to say whatever I want.

I doubt the at- risk women would agree.

I doubt that people who have been killed on the highway would

that driving in a car is safe. Yet people still do it because
statistically the benefits outweigh the risks.

Pregnancy doesn't,

Yes it does.

So you was pregnant at one time?

Nice grammatical usage of a past tense, there.

You asked what damage pregnancy had done me, I answered.

That is because you came from a position that pregnancy is some
disease that must be prevented--a damaging, debilitating, dangerous
health condition.

I am willing to bet that there are a lot of women that had at least some
problems, correction most of the women.

So? I am willing to bet there are a lot of people with a myriad of
medical problems caused by *something.*

I have traveled around the world and did Not meet any women that had a
perfect pregnancy, all of them had problems.

So?

It has been shown that you are being extremist.

No it shows that you are, Sexkitten is being a realist.

Since sexkitten has never been acquainted with reality, that's
amusing.

Granted I could have done without the second kid, but it wasn't like

was

something I did deliberately.

Yes, engaging in the act which creates children wasn't deliberate.

Thank you for agreeing that it wasn't deliberate.

That was sarcasm. It most certainly was deliberate.

I was on birth control at the time.

Everyone knows birth control is not as reliable as abstinence. if you
didn't want children, you shouldn't have engaged in acts which create
them.

Ahh.. Mother Teresa, thank you for that input.

You're welcome.

Are you so lonely

Nope. Married, thank you very much.

that you

are jealous

Of you people? Not in a hundred years.

and want nobody else to enjoy life's little pleasures

Apparently not even you people enjoyed them since you had to pay to
have the problems that resulted from your stupid behavior corrected.

Of course, it's a laugh that you think your penile pleasures are worth
someone else's life.

It's also a laugh that you're so hung up on thinking that I called you
a robot. Apparently you're programmed to act like an animal.

that you

are unable to enjoy yourself.

I am? Really? Someone forgot to tell me that.

However, be

prepared to accept the fact that the benefits do in fact outweigh

costs, which means you argument for abortion falls flat on its

The benefits outweigh the costs to*some* women.

*yawn*

Bored already? Then go find something else to do other than harassing

I've been here longer than you and will be here after you're gone.

<chuckle>
Now where did I say that all women should abort?

You don't even understand the implications of your own positions, do
you? That's typically leftist: shallow and ignorant.

No, I think you don't understand your positon.

Do tell me what MY position is.

We ask for choice,

No, you ask for the freedom to kill that which you create by not being
willing to control your irresponsible behavior.

Typical that you won't ever say what choices you support, someone else
has to do it for you.

not big

brother controling every aspect of our lives.

Antinomian, aren't we.

You seem to want nothing short

of total control of everything

Apparently you aren't familiar with PHs.

or is it possible you want to be controled.

I control myself, thank you. Unlike some people.

Pick your choice, because if our government gets this involved then what
happened to a free country.

Lol, I can't wait to see what you think you know about government.

Apparently it doesn't occur to you that government controls your right
to make a decision on the law. But since their decision just happened
to support you, that's ok.

Dictatorship here we come...

Ignorance and simplicity, there you are.

--S