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"Frank Dwyer" |
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07 Nov 2004 09:20:48 AM |
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Not the smartest protester in the world |
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/11/07/ground.zero.suicide.ap/index.html
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Not the smartest protester in the world |
07 Nov 2004 02:54:41 PM |
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Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/11/07/ground.zero.suicide.ap/index.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/11/04/wlion04.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/11/04/ixnewstop.html
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Not the smartest protester in the world |
07 Nov 2004 04:02:13 PM |
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On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 20:54:41 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) in alt.abortion with message-id <cmm22g$pa0$1@bolt.sonic.net>
wrote:
Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/11/07/ground.zero.suicide.ap/index.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/11/04/wlion04.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/11/04/ixnewstop.html
Ray, I think you have located a new member of the upper hierarchy for
the RRR.
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| User: "Frank Dwyer" |
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| Title: Re: Not the smartest protester in the world |
07 Nov 2004 05:41:43 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/11/07/ground.zero.suicide.ap/index.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/11/04/wlion04.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/11/04/ixnewstop.html
Yup. Another candidate for the Darwin Award.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Not the smartest protester in the world |
07 Nov 2004 07:32:53 PM |
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Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/11/07/ground.zero.suicide.ap/index.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/11/04/wlion04.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/11/04/ixnewstop.html
Yup. Another candidate for the Darwin Award.
Alas no. He didn't die. Give him an honorable mention for giving it
a good try.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Elmo" |
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| Title: Re: Not the smartest protester in the world |
10 Nov 2004 03:35:18 PM |
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In article <k3rjd.2833$Z51.39@news01.roc.ny>, Frank Dwyer
<fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/11/07/ground.zero.suicide.ap/index.html
Why does this make him less than smart? He was probably distraught
over seeing his beloved country turn into a religious controlled
regime.
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| User: "Frank Dwyer" |
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| Title: Re: Not the smartest protester in the world |
10 Nov 2004 07:42:25 PM |
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Elmo wrote:
In article <k3rjd.2833$Z51.39@news01.roc.ny>, Frank Dwyer
<fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/11/07/ground.zero.suicide.ap/index.html
Why does this make him less than smart? He was probably distraught
over seeing his beloved country turn into a religious controlled
regime.
Then he should've done something productive about it. Suicide is the
ultimate act of selfishness.
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| User: "Osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Not the smartest protester in the world |
10 Nov 2004 08:25:15 PM |
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"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in message
news:5szkd.3957$qh5.2352@news01.roc.ny...
Elmo wrote:
In article <k3rjd.2833$Z51.39@news01.roc.ny>, Frank Dwyer
<fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/11/07/ground.zero.suicide.ap/index.html
Why does this make him less than smart? He was probably distraught
over seeing his beloved country turn into a religious controlled
regime.
Then he should've done something productive about it. Suicide is the
ultimate act of selfishness.
Good point
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| User: "Pr0r3p" |
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| Title: Re: Not the smartest protester in the world |
11 Nov 2004 09:11:33 AM |
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"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message news:<QrqdnZg027BTUQ_cRVn-ow@comcast.com>...
"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in message
news:5szkd.3957$qh5.2352@news01.roc.ny...
Elmo wrote:
In article <k3rjd.2833$Z51.39@news01.roc.ny>, Frank Dwyer
<fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/11/07/ground.zero.suicide.ap/index.html
Why does this make him less than smart? He was probably distraught
over seeing his beloved country turn into a religious controlled
regime.
Then he should've done something productive about it. Suicide is the
ultimate act of selfishness.
Good point
If that were true, Asspry the selfish ***** would have off'd himself
a long time ago.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Not the smartest protester in the world |
10 Nov 2004 09:32:32 PM |
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In article <5szkd.3957$qh5.2352@news01.roc.ny>, Frank Dwyer
<fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote:
Elmo wrote:
In article <k3rjd.2833$Z51.39@news01.roc.ny>, Frank Dwyer
<fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/11/07/ground.zero.suicide.ap/index.html
Why does this make him less than smart? He was probably distraught
over seeing his beloved country turn into a religious controlled
regime.
Then he should've done something productive about it. Suicide is the
ultimate act of selfishness.
How so?
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| User: "Frank Dwyer" |
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| Title: Re: Not the smartest protester in the world |
11 Nov 2004 12:25:17 AM |
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David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <5szkd.3957$qh5.2352@news01.roc.ny>, Frank Dwyer
<fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote:
Elmo wrote:
In article <k3rjd.2833$Z51.39@news01.roc.ny>, Frank Dwyer
<fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/11/07/ground.zero.suicide.ap/index.html
Why does this make him less than smart? He was probably distraught
over seeing his beloved country turn into a religious controlled
regime.
Then he should've done something productive about it. Suicide is the
ultimate act of selfishness.
How so?
Everyone who commits the act does so because of a problem they perceive
in their lives. Being unwilling to face the problem, and more concerned
with themselves than the effect their act will have on their loved ones,
they pull the trigger.
IMO, suicide is a very cowardly act.
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| User: "Osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Not the smartest protester in the world |
11 Nov 2004 12:42:18 AM |
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"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in message
news:hBDkd.3106$l_.2301@news02.roc.ny...
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <5szkd.3957$qh5.2352@news01.roc.ny>, Frank Dwyer
<fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote:
Elmo wrote:
In article <k3rjd.2833$Z51.39@news01.roc.ny>, Frank Dwyer
<fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/11/07/ground.zero.suicide.ap/index.html
Why does this make him less than smart? He was probably distraught
over seeing his beloved country turn into a religious controlled
regime.
Then he should've done something productive about it. Suicide is the
ultimate act of selfishness.
How so?
Everyone who commits the act does so because of a problem they perceive in
their lives. Being unwilling to face the problem, and more concerned with
themselves than the effect their act will have on their loved ones, they
pull the trigger.
IMO, suicide is a very cowardly act.
I agree for the most part of what you are saying Frank.
This is getting a bit off topic, but I thought it would be interesting to
ask. We were talking about this issue just last week in one of my classes.
It was dealing with "assisted" suicide. Remember Dr Gevorkian ?
What if a person has a terminally ill disease, is in so much pain, and can't
live a comfortable life any longer.
I am not so sure I would consider people in those cases as cowards.
Although I would never personally assist anyone in suicide, I can probably
understand them seeking someone else that would. Actually I believe that
Dr. Gevorkian only hooked up the machine, he didn't actually pull the
trigger so to speak. I think he required that the person do it.
As I said, I know it is a bit off topic but I was just interested since your
post made me remember the conversation.
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| User: "Elmo" |
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| Title: Re: Not the smartest protester in the world |
12 Nov 2004 03:50:06 PM |
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In article <usOdnZoJl9i8lA7cRVn-ow@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in message
news:hBDkd.3106$l_.2301@news02.roc.ny...
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <5szkd.3957$qh5.2352@news01.roc.ny>, Frank Dwyer
<fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote:
Elmo wrote:
In article <k3rjd.2833$Z51.39@news01.roc.ny>, Frank Dwyer
<fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/11/07/ground.zero.suicide.ap/index.html
Why does this make him less than smart? He was probably distraught
over seeing his beloved country turn into a religious controlled
regime.
Then he should've done something productive about it. Suicide is the
ultimate act of selfishness.
How so?
Everyone who commits the act does so because of a problem they perceive in
their lives. Being unwilling to face the problem, and more concerned with
themselves than the effect their act will have on their loved ones, they
pull the trigger.
IMO, suicide is a very cowardly act.
I agree for the most part of what you are saying Frank.
This is getting a bit off topic, but I thought it would be interesting to
ask. We were talking about this issue just last week in one of my classes.
It was dealing with "assisted" suicide. Remember Dr Gevorkian ?
What if a person has a terminally ill disease, is in so much pain, and can't
live a comfortable life any longer.
I am not so sure I would consider people in those cases as cowards.
Although I would never personally assist anyone in suicide, I can probably
understand them seeking someone else that would. Actually I believe that
Dr. Gevorkian only hooked up the machine, he didn't actually pull the
trigger so to speak. I think he required that the person do it.
As I said, I know it is a bit off topic but I was just interested since your
post made me remember the conversation.
You mean Kevorkian? You never fail to amuse...
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Not the smartest protester in the world |
12 Nov 2004 09:35:42 PM |
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In article <121120041350068184%anto@sales.com>, Elmo <anto@sales.com>
wrote:
In article <usOdnZoJl9i8lA7cRVn-ow@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in message
news:hBDkd.3106$l_.2301@news02.roc.ny...
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <5szkd.3957$qh5.2352@news01.roc.ny>, Frank Dwyer
<fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote:
Elmo wrote:
In article <k3rjd.2833$Z51.39@news01.roc.ny>, Frank Dwyer
<fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/11/07/ground.zero.suicide.ap/index.html
Why does this make him less than smart? He was probably distraught
over seeing his beloved country turn into a religious controlled
regime.
Then he should've done something productive about it. Suicide is the
ultimate act of selfishness.
How so?
Everyone who commits the act does so because of a problem they perceive
in
their lives. Being unwilling to face the problem, and more concerned with
themselves than the effect their act will have on their loved ones, they
pull the trigger.
IMO, suicide is a very cowardly act.
I agree for the most part of what you are saying Frank.
This is getting a bit off topic, but I thought it would be interesting to
ask. We were talking about this issue just last week in one of my classes.
It was dealing with "assisted" suicide. Remember Dr Gevorkian ?
What if a person has a terminally ill disease, is in so much pain, and
can't
live a comfortable life any longer.
I am not so sure I would consider people in those cases as cowards.
Although I would never personally assist anyone in suicide, I can probably
understand them seeking someone else that would. Actually I believe that
Dr. Gevorkian only hooked up the machine, he didn't actually pull the
trigger so to speak. I think he required that the person do it.
As I said, I know it is a bit off topic but I was just interested since your
post made me remember the conversation.
You mean Kevorkian? You never fail to amuse...
Real bright bulb, isn't he?
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Not the smartest protester in the world |
11 Nov 2004 03:14:12 AM |
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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 01:42:18 -0500, "Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <usOdnZoJl9i8lA7cRVn-ow@comcast.com>
wrote:
I agree for the most part of what you are saying Frank.
This is getting a bit off topic, but I thought it would be interesting to
ask. We were talking about this issue just last week in one of my classes.
It was dealing with "assisted" suicide. Remember Dr Gevorkian ?
What if a person has a terminally ill disease, is in so much pain, and can't
live a comfortable life any longer.
I am not so sure I would consider people in those cases as cowards.
Although I would never personally assist anyone in suicide, I can probably
understand them seeking someone else that would. Actually I believe that
Dr. Gevorkian only hooked up the machine, he didn't actually pull the
trigger so to speak. I think he required that the person do it.
As I said, I know it is a bit off topic but I was just interested since your
post made me remember the conversation.
That's Jack Kevorkian not 'Gervorkian'.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/kevorkian/
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Not the smartest protester in the world |
13 Nov 2004 12:05:20 AM |
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Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <5szkd.3957$qh5.2352@news01.roc.ny>, Frank Dwyer
<fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote:
Elmo wrote:
In article <k3rjd.2833$Z51.39@news01.roc.ny>, Frank Dwyer
<fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/11/07/ground.zero.suicide.ap/index.html
Why does this make him less than smart? He was probably distraught
over seeing his beloved country turn into a religious controlled
regime.
Then he should've done something productive about it. Suicide is the
ultimate act of selfishness.
How so?
Everyone who commits the act does so because of a problem they perceive
in their lives. Being unwilling to face the problem, and more concerned
with themselves than the effect their act will have on their loved ones,
they pull the trigger.
IMO, suicide is a very cowardly act.
Better to condemn a person to endless torment.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Not the smartest protester in the world |
11 Nov 2004 06:14:42 AM |
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In article <hBDkd.3106$l_.2301@news02.roc.ny>, Frank Dwyer
<fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <5szkd.3957$qh5.2352@news01.roc.ny>, Frank Dwyer
<fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote:
Elmo wrote:
In article <k3rjd.2833$Z51.39@news01.roc.ny>, Frank Dwyer
<fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/11/07/ground.zero.suicide.ap/index.html
Why does this make him less than smart? He was probably distraught
over seeing his beloved country turn into a religious controlled
regime.
Then he should've done something productive about it. Suicide is the
ultimate act of selfishness.
How so?
Everyone who commits the act does so because of a problem they perceive
in their lives.
Here the problem seems to have been what he perceived as to his
country, not his life.
Being unwilling to face the problem, and more concerned
with themselves than the effect their act will have on their loved ones,
they pull the trigger.
Maybe he had no loved ones.
IMO, suicide is a very cowardly act.
You said selfish, before. :-)
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