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":::vera:::" |
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20 May 2004 09:18:27 AM |
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Now this is the solution to the questions |
Now this is the solution to the questions:
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1. There's a preacher and wife who are very, very, poor. They already have 14 kids.
Now she finds out she's pregnant with her 15th. They're living in tremendous poverty.
Considering their poverty and the excessive world population, would you consider
recommending she get an abortion?
2. The father is sick with sniffles, the mother has TB. They have 4 children. the 1st is blind,
the 2nd is dead, the 3rd is deaf and the 4th has TB. she finds she's pregnant again. Given the extreme situation, would you consider
recommending abortion?
3. A white man raped a 13 year old black girl and she got pregnant.
If you were her parents, would you consider recommending abortion?
4. A teenage girl is pregnant. She's not married.
Here fiancee is not the father of the baby, and he's very upset.
Would you consider recommending abortion?
Answers:
If you have answered "yes" in any of these situations:
In the first case, you have just killed John Wesley. One of the great evangelists of the 19th century.
In the second case, you have killed Beethoven.
In the third case, you have killed Ethel Waters, the great black gospel singer.
If you said yes to the fourth case, you have just declared the murder of Jesus Christ!
Something to think about and pass along.
Contributed by Delberta Fluharty, of Joplin, Missouri
Jesus Christ Saves Ministries, P.O. Box 711425, San Diego, CA, 92171
JCSM is a 501(c)(3), non-profit organization. Copyright © 1997-present.
::: vera :::
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Been there already today?
http://abortionismurder.org/notconvinced.shtml
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| User: "Mark Sebree" |
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| Title: Re: Now this is the solution to the questions |
20 May 2004 12:50:05 PM |
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":::vera:::" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message news:<2h3t1mF8pvndU1@uni-berlin.de>...
Now this is the solution to the questions:
____________________________________________________________
1. There's a preacher and wife who are very, very, poor. They already have 14 kids.
Now she finds out she's pregnant with her 15th. They're living in tremendous poverty.
Considering their poverty and the excessive world population, would you consider
recommending she get an abortion?
2. The father is sick with sniffles, the mother has TB. They have 4 children. the 1st is blind,
the 2nd is dead, the 3rd is deaf and the 4th has TB. she finds she's pregnant again. Given the extreme situation, would you consider
recommending abortion?
3. A white man raped a 13 year old black girl and she got pregnant.
If you were her parents, would you consider recommending abortion?
4. A teenage girl is pregnant. She's not married.
Here fiancee is not the father of the baby, and he's very upset.
Would you consider recommending abortion?
Answers:
If you have answered "yes" in any of these situations:
In the first case, you have just killed John Wesley. One of the great evangelists of the 19th century.
In the second case, you have killed Beethoven.
In the third case, you have killed Ethel Waters, the great black gospel singer.
If you said yes to the fourth case, you have just declared the murder of Jesus Christ!
Something to think about and pass along.
Contributed by Delberta Fluharty, of Joplin, Missouri
::: vera :::
I have thought about it. So what? I could care less about John
Wesley or Ethel Waters, I prefer the Strauss family for classical
music, and I am not Christian, so who cares about multiple conflicting
and probably erroneous accounts of a man that lived 2000 years ago.
And there were also plenty of cases where the people born in those
situations lived miserable lives and/or were criminals. And thus are
unknown to history. The exceptions do not prove the rule, nor support
your point that women should be forced to suffer through unwanted
pregnancies.
The PROPER response to the question is "Let the woman that is pregnant
make the decision about her pregnancy for herself. It is not our
place to tell her how to live her life."
Mark Sebree
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| User: ":::vera:::" |
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| Title: Re: Now this is the solution to the questions |
21 May 2004 10:45:12 PM |
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In news:c30d43e8.0405200950.1e5bcd4e@posting.google.com,
Mark Sebree <sebree@infionline.net> wrote:
":::vera:::" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
news:<2h3t1mF8pvndU1@uni-berlin.de>...
Now this is the solution to the questions:
____________________________________________________________
1. There's a preacher and wife who are very, very, poor. They
already have 14 kids.
Now she finds out she's pregnant with her 15th. They're living in
tremendous poverty.
Considering their poverty and the excessive world population, would
you consider
recommending she get an abortion?
2. The father is sick with sniffles, the mother has TB. They have 4
children. the 1st is blind,
the 2nd is dead, the 3rd is deaf and the 4th has TB. she finds she's
pregnant again. Given the extreme situation, would you consider
recommending abortion?
3. A white man raped a 13 year old black girl and she got pregnant.
If you were her parents, would you consider recommending abortion?
4. A teenage girl is pregnant. She's not married.
Here fiancee is not the father of the baby, and he's very upset.
Would you consider recommending abortion?
Answers:
If you have answered "yes" in any of these situations:
In the first case, you have just killed John Wesley. One of the
great evangelists of the 19th century.
In the second case, you have killed Beethoven.
In the third case, you have killed Ethel Waters, the great black
gospel singer.
If you said yes to the fourth case, you have just declared the
murder of Jesus Christ!
Something to think about and pass along.
Contributed by Delberta Fluharty, of Joplin, Missouri
vera :::
I have thought about it. So what? I could care less about John
Wesley or Ethel Waters, I prefer the Strauss family for classical
music, and I am not Christian, so who cares about multiple conflicting
and probably erroneous accounts of a man that lived 2000 years ago.
And there were also plenty of cases where the people born in those
situations lived miserable lives and/or were criminals. And thus are
unknown to history. The exceptions do not prove the rule, nor support
your point that women should be forced to suffer through unwanted
pregnancies.
The PROPER response to the question is "Let the woman that is pregnant
make the decision about her pregnancy for herself. It is not our
place to tell her how to live her life."
Mark Sebree
Well, if it was only "her" life...
Peace,
::: vera :::
--
Been there already today?
http://abortionismurder.org/notconvinced.shtml
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| User: "Osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Now this is the solution to the questions |
21 May 2004 10:51:46 PM |
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":::vera:::" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
news:2h80mfFa3t7mU1@uni-berlin.de...
In news:c30d43e8.0405200950.1e5bcd4e@posting.google.com,
Mark Sebree <sebree@infionline.net> wrote:
":::vera:::" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
news:<2h3t1mF8pvndU1@uni-berlin.de>...
Now this is the solution to the questions:
____________________________________________________________
1. There's a preacher and wife who are very, very, poor. They
already have 14 kids.
Now she finds out she's pregnant with her 15th. They're living in
tremendous poverty.
Considering their poverty and the excessive world population, would
you consider
recommending she get an abortion?
2. The father is sick with sniffles, the mother has TB. They have 4
children. the 1st is blind,
the 2nd is dead, the 3rd is deaf and the 4th has TB. she finds she's
pregnant again. Given the extreme situation, would you consider
recommending abortion?
3. A white man raped a 13 year old black girl and she got pregnant.
If you were her parents, would you consider recommending abortion?
4. A teenage girl is pregnant. She's not married.
Here fiancee is not the father of the baby, and he's very upset.
Would you consider recommending abortion?
Answers:
If you have answered "yes" in any of these situations:
In the first case, you have just killed John Wesley. One of the
great evangelists of the 19th century.
In the second case, you have killed Beethoven.
In the third case, you have killed Ethel Waters, the great black
gospel singer.
If you said yes to the fourth case, you have just declared the
murder of Jesus Christ!
Something to think about and pass along.
Contributed by Delberta Fluharty, of Joplin, Missouri
vera :::
I have thought about it. So what? I could care less about John
Wesley or Ethel Waters, I prefer the Strauss family for classical
music, and I am not Christian, so who cares about multiple conflicting
and probably erroneous accounts of a man that lived 2000 years ago.
And there were also plenty of cases where the people born in those
situations lived miserable lives and/or were criminals. And thus are
unknown to history. The exceptions do not prove the rule, nor support
your point that women should be forced to suffer through unwanted
pregnancies.
The PROPER response to the question is "Let the woman that is pregnant
make the decision about her pregnancy for herself. It is not our
place to tell her how to live her life."
Mark Sebree
Well, if it was only "her" life...
Thats just it.
They know it vera, but they don't want to admit it.
Years ago, women didn't know much about the stages of development. Since
the past 10 to 20 years, we have been shown what fetal development looks
like, thus causing more people to turn away from abortion.
The good news is, in the past decade abortion numbers have dropped
significantly. Also, teen pregnancies have dropped. So maybe, just maybe,
we are starting to get somewhere with unwanted pregnancies and avoiding
abortions.
You can see the average Americans resentment growing towards issues like
late term abortions. Women now realize, thanks to medical science, that the
unborn fetus is not a blob of tissue. There is an actual living, growing,
human being; and we see that happening early on in the pregnancy.
Pictures of abortions, is something they will want to hide. Yet, they
accuse us of wanting to hide the truth...you gotta laugh at their hypocrisy.
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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| Title: Re: Now this is the solution to the questions |
22 May 2004 01:07:19 AM |
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"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:Y7idnSfeo4CqUzPdRVn-tA@comcast.com...
Pictures of abortions, is something they will want to hide. Yet, they
accuse us of wanting to hide the truth...you gotta laugh at their
hypocrisy.
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We laugh at your dishonesty and hypocrisy since these pictures and/or
similar ones have been around since the 1970s. There is nothing NEW about
these pictures. And no one tries to hide them.
--
FP....
Do they also warn women of the dangers of term pregnancy and
birth?.......like:
http://www.indiaparenting.com/pregnancy/data/preg16_00.shtml
http://www.imnotsorry.net/
http://www.agi-usa.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html
The risk of death associated with childbirth is about 11 times as high as
that associated with abortion.27
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| User: "Osprey" |
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22 May 2004 01:31:01 AM |
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"Flower Power" <FreeTheWomen@this.net> wrote in message
news:96-dndulsNqAczPd4p2dnA@heartoftn.net...
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:Y7idnSfeo4CqUzPdRVn-tA@comcast.com...
Pictures of abortions, is something they will want to hide. Yet, they
accuse us of wanting to hide the truth...you gotta laugh at their
hypocrisy.
==================
We laugh at your dishonesty and hypocrisy since these pictures and/or
similar ones have been around since the 1970s. There is nothing NEW about
these pictures. And no one tries to hide them.
Have you filed that report yet?
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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22 May 2004 10:13:43 PM |
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"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:Q6qdnWWtw6f4bjPdRVn-hg@comcast.com...
"Flower Power" <FreeTheWomen@this.net> wrote in message
news:96-dndulsNqAczPd4p2dnA@heartoftn.net...
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:Y7idnSfeo4CqUzPdRVn-tA@comcast.com...
Pictures of abortions, is something they will want to hide. Yet, they
accuse us of wanting to hide the truth...you gotta laugh at their
hypocrisy.
==================
We laugh at your dishonesty and hypocrisy since these pictures and/or
similar ones have been around since the 1970s. There is nothing NEW
about
these pictures. And no one tries to hide them.
Have you filed that report yet?
=======================
Have YOU called your lawyer yet to tell him you tried to LURE an out of
state women to meet you yet? What did he think of that?
--
FPower.......
But look what your Jehovah god said in his bible:
Psalm 137:9
"Happy shall he be that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the
stones." (Infanticide approved by god)
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| User: "Osprey" |
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22 May 2004 10:16:17 PM |
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"Flower Power" <FreeChoice@this.net> wrote in message
news:j86dnXZB5ddwiy3dRVn-vg@heartoftn.net...
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:Q6qdnWWtw6f4bjPdRVn-hg@comcast.com...
"Flower Power" <FreeTheWomen@this.net> wrote in message
news:96-dndulsNqAczPd4p2dnA@heartoftn.net...
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:Y7idnSfeo4CqUzPdRVn-tA@comcast.com...
Pictures of abortions, is something they will want to hide. Yet,
they
accuse us of wanting to hide the truth...you gotta laugh at their
hypocrisy.
==================
We laugh at your dishonesty and hypocrisy since these pictures and/or
similar ones have been around since the 1970s. There is nothing NEW
about
these pictures. And no one tries to hide them.
Have you filed that report yet?
=======================
Have YOU called your lawyer yet to tell him you tried to LURE an out of
state women to meet you yet? What did he think of that?
I never tried to lure anyone..
Have you filed that report yet?
Why did you back down???
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| User: "Fower Power" |
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23 May 2004 01:21:29 AM |
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"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:KMidnSr8stqtii3d4p2dnA@comcast.com...
"Flower Power" <FreeChoice@this.net> wrote in message
news:j86dnXZB5ddwiy3dRVn-vg@heartoftn.net...
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:Q6qdnWWtw6f4bjPdRVn-hg@comcast.com...
"Flower Power" <FreeTheWomen@this.net> wrote in message
news:96-dndulsNqAczPd4p2dnA@heartoftn.net...
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:Y7idnSfeo4CqUzPdRVn-tA@comcast.com...
Pictures of abortions, is something they will want to hide. Yet,
they
accuse us of wanting to hide the truth...you gotta laugh at their
hypocrisy.
==================
We laugh at your dishonesty and hypocrisy since these pictures
and/or
similar ones have been around since the 1970s. There is nothing NEW
about
these pictures. And no one tries to hide them.
Have you filed that report yet?
=======================
Have YOU called your lawyer yet to tell him you tried to LURE an out of
state women to meet you yet? What did he think of that?
I never tried to lure anyone..
## Yes you did. Reread you posts. Now you refuse to even discuss the
non-existant violent women living on $800 a month. Why is that? You LIED
and was caught once more.
Have you filed that report yet?
## What REPORT?
Why did you back down???
## Why didn't YOU call your lawyer to tell him I refused to meet you in
Delaware to talk to a non existent friend of yours?
--
The Purple Coneflower....
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent
force for atheism ever conceived."
-= Isaac Asimov =-
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| User: "Osprey" |
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23 May 2004 01:34:11 AM |
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"Fower Power" <WomanHaveRights@this.net> wrote in message
news:8c-dnZ8dqrNy3y3dRVn-jg@heartoftn.net...
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:KMidnSr8stqtii3d4p2dnA@comcast.com...
"Flower Power" <FreeChoice@this.net> wrote in message
news:j86dnXZB5ddwiy3dRVn-vg@heartoftn.net...
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:Q6qdnWWtw6f4bjPdRVn-hg@comcast.com...
"Flower Power" <FreeTheWomen@this.net> wrote in message
news:96-dndulsNqAczPd4p2dnA@heartoftn.net...
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:Y7idnSfeo4CqUzPdRVn-tA@comcast.com...
Pictures of abortions, is something they will want to hide.
Yet,
they
accuse us of wanting to hide the truth...you gotta laugh at
their
hypocrisy.
==================
We laugh at your dishonesty and hypocrisy since these pictures
and/or
similar ones have been around since the 1970s. There is nothing
NEW
about
these pictures. And no one tries to hide them.
Have you filed that report yet?
=======================
Have YOU called your lawyer yet to tell him you tried to LURE an out
of
state women to meet you yet? What did he think of that?
I never tried to lure anyone..
## Yes you did.
No I didn't.
Reread you posts.
You read them, I never tried to lure anyone.
Now you refuse to even discuss the
non-existant violent women living on $800 a month. Why is that? You LIED
and was caught once more.
I never used the $800.00 figure, that was your made up figure.
Why did you use a public forum to seek personal information on another
person?
Why did you use a public forum to request another persons personal finances
be posted?
Here is a hint: Read your ISP's policies.
http://www.heartoftn.net/policy.html
You are in violation in a few key areas.
Have you filed that report yet?
## What REPORT?
You are backing down now.
Now all you have to do is to stop using my name in a public forum, lying
about me in a public forum, accusing me of criminal acts in a public forum.
All I have to do, according to the policy from your ISP is request that you
stop this immediately.
And that is what I am doing now. Stop using my name and lying in a public
forum.
I have never tried to lure anyone.
You have accused me of phedophile acts, trying to lure young under age
girls, and many other things...
You are in violation of your ISP policies...read them carefully.
You are also making illegal request using a public forum.
Slate may want to read this too.
I am a state official, meaning I am protected under law to have personal
information withheld from the public, for obvious reasons.
Anyone seeking to obtain such information, or display it public can and will
be reported and any action that can be taken, will be.
You have made public request, and tried to involve others. I am warning you
now, you better think very hard about what you are doing. You could get in
a lot of trouble, and no matter how old you are..I don't care.
Why did you back down???
## Why didn't YOU call your lawyer to tell him I refused to meet you in
Delaware to talk to a non existent friend of yours?
My lawyer is fully aware of your public request.
William Hudson, Dover De
Attorney at Law
Think long and hard...I know we have our battles, yes we both take it to
levels that we don't need to. But this I can assure you, you are crossing
the lines now.
This is my formal request that you stop it, and I do consider it harrassment
A line from your ISP policy
"Harassment of other individuals on the Internet after being asked to stop
by those individual "
Also keep one more thing in mind, another violation by you according to your
ISP policy
"...continued posting of articles which are off-topic (e.g., off-topic
according to the news group charter or the article provokes complaints from
the regular readers of the news group for being off-topic, also known as
SPAMMING.) "
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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| Title: Re: Now this is the solution to the questions |
25 May 2004 12:27:53 AM |
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"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:KYGdnZALdakp2C3dRVn-sQ@comcast.com...
Why did you use a public forum to seek personal information on another
person?
Why did you use a public forum to request another persons personal
finances
be posted?
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$$ No one asked about yor finances. Why would they? Prove it! Where are
all these posts to prove what you're accusing me of?
Here is a hint: Read your ISP's policies.
http://www.heartoftn.net/policy.html
You are in violation in a few key areas.
$$ WHICH ones? You need to point them out to me.
Have you filed that report yet?
$$ What REPORT? That you tried to lure me down to DE? I have the post to
prove it.
You are backing down now.
$$ I'll ask you again WHAT REPORT? That you tried to coerce me to meet you
in DE? If you keep harassing me I will report you. You're starting to
really ***** me off with your threats and false accusations, accusing me of
prostituting 13 and 14 year old girls, on a public forum no less. You
refuse to stick to the topic which is abortion.
Now all you have to do is to stop using my name in a public forum, lying
about me in a public forum, accusing me of criminal acts in a public
forum.
$$ EVERYONE knows and uses your name and always has! Everyone knows who you
are because you brag so much and advertise who you are. And I'm not lying
because I have your posts as proof. You refuse to stick to the topic of
abortion and drift into personal attacks.
All I have to do, according to the policy from your ISP is request that
you
stop this immediately.
$$ STOP WHAT???? Did you tell my ISP you tried to use learning how to live
in the minimum wage as BAIT to lure me down to DE and that everyone calls
you Heishman here, and everyone knows exactly who you are and where you
live? Did you tell him you're trying to destroy my reputation claiming I
prostitute teenagers?
And that is what I am doing now. Stop using my name and lying in a public
forum.
$$ What lies? You've yet to mention one LIE. Are you worried about trying
to lure a woman of unknown age to meet you?
I have never tried to lure anyone.
You have accused me of phedophile acts, trying to lure young under age
girls, and many other things...
$$ Where are all these posts to prove you allegations?
You are in violation of your ISP policies...read them carefully.
$$ You show me where I am in violation of his policies.
You are also making illegal request using a public forum.
$$ Where is your PROOF?
Slate may want to read this too.
I am a state official, meaning I am protected under law to have personal
information withheld from the public, for obvious reasons.
$$ You brag about where you work, your website, tell everyone who you are,
and then pretend no one knows you all of a sudden. After you tried to LURE
me down to DE to meet you I wanted to know more about you and if you were
trying to lure other women as well. I think you are a dangerous person. I
think you're mentally ill - that's why everyone on this NG despises you.
You've threatened to sue 1/2 the people here including me.
Anyone seeking to obtain such information, or display it public can and
will
be reported and any action that can be taken, will be.
$$ Then take you action - and make sure you tell your lawyer you baited me
and tried to LURE me to DE.
You have made public request, and tried to involve others. I am warning
you
now,
$$ Don't threaten me little man! You're not scaring or intimidating me!
you better think very hard about what you are doing. You could get in
a lot of trouble, and no matter how old you are..I don't care.
$$ You should have thought of that before trying to get me to meet you in DE
and calling me a coward for refusing.
Why did you back down???
## Why didn't YOU call your lawyer to tell him I refused to meet you in
Delaware to talk to a non existent friend of yours?
My lawyer is fully aware of your public request.
William Hudson, Dover De
Attorney at Law
$$ Which request?
Think long and hard...I know we have our battles, yes we both take it to
levels that we don't need to. But this I can assure you, you are crossing
the lines now.
$$ So are you by making false accusations against me, degrading remarks and
trying to destroy my reputation. You've done it to others on this NG.
This is my formal request that you stop it, and I do consider it
harrassment
$$ And you will cease and desist from accusing me of prostituting children?
A line from your ISP policy
$$ My ISP has no policy against me defending myself from a vicious liar
like you.
"Harassment of other individuals on the Internet after being asked to
stop
by those individual "
Also keep one more thing in mind, another violation by you according to
your
ISP policy
$$ Which policy? He has no policy stating I cannot defend myself from YOU.
"...continued posting of articles which are off-topic (e.g., off-topic
according to the news group charter or the article provokes complaints
from
the regular readers of the news group for being off-topic, also known as
SPAMMING.) "
$$ Off topic? Spamming? Oh, it's ok for you to attack others here but
when someone replies you call it off-topic and span. Oh, I see.
This is on topic because it started over you not wanting pregnant girls to
know they cannot live on the minimum wage - and abortion.
--
Flower Power...
pro-choice (pr-chois)
adj.
Favoring or supporting the legal right of women and girls to choose
whether or not to continue a pregnancy to term.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Pro-Choice
~~~<~~~<~~~{@ ~~~<~~~<~~~{@ ~~~<~~~<~~~{@ ~~~<~~~{@
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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| Title: Re: Now this is the solution to living on $800 a month! |
23 May 2004 09:08:21 PM |
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Heishman now BACKPEDDLES as fast as possible!
=======================
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:KYGdnZALdakp2C3dRVn-sQ@comcast.com... nothing but total lies.
= nothing left after his lies are snipped! He told us he was going to prove
a girl can raise a child and go to school on $800 a month. He is now
backpedaling like made and denying he wanted me to go to DE to meet him and
this "face slapper" of a women. But the post/proof remains... :-)
Power.......
But look what your Jehovah god said in his bible:
Psalm 137:9
"Happy shall he be that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the
stones." (Infanticide approved by god)
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| User: "osprey" |
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| Title: Clearing up one of Flower Powers untruths |
24 May 2004 02:37:37 AM |
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"Flower Power" <FreeChoice@this.net> wrote in message news:<toWdnf_HFpOGxCzdRVn-uw@heartoftn.net>...
Heishman now BACKPEDDLES as fast as possible!
Clearing up untruth #1
there is no backpeddling, because none of what Flower Power is saying,
is true.
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"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:KYGdnZALdakp2C3dRVn-sQ@comcast.com... nothing but total lies.
= nothing left after his lies are snipped! He told us he was going to prove
a girl can raise a child and go to school on $800 a month.
Clearing up untruth #2
This is not what was said.
What was said was a teen mom succeeded with having to get an abortion,
continue her school, and raise her child. No mention of $800.00 was
ever made, until Flower Power invented this figure.
He is now
backpedaling like made and denying he wanted me to go to DE to meet him
Clearing up untruth #3
No invitation was ever made for Flower Power to meet me, the
invitation was for Flower Power to meet and talk to a teen mom who did
make it so she could see for herself that her assumptions that teen
mothers can't make it was not true.
and
this "face slapper" of a women.
Clearing up untruth #4
What was said was that Flower Power should not disrespect this girl if
she should want to talk to her, like she disrespects others in this
NG.
But the post/proof remains... :-)
Only in flower powers head
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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24 May 2004 08:37:26 PM |
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"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:8912d58d.0405232337.e898221@posting.google.com...
"Flower Power" <FreeChoice@this.net> wrote in message
news:<toWdnf_HFpOGxCzdRVn-uw@heartoftn.net>...
Heishman now BACKPEDDLES as fast as possible!
Clearing up untruth #1
there is no backpeddling, because none of what Flower Power is saying,
is true.
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I have no need to lie as you do. You tried to LURE me down to DE to learn
how this violent single mother is supporting herself, the child and going to
school all on the minimum wage - which would be about $800 a month
(take-home). The whole thread started when I said no one, even single women
can live on that little money. But you anti-choicers don't want women to
know that, and possibly abort rather than end up homeless or severely
poverty stricken. You then claimed you knew women who WERE living on these
starvation wages.... and off you went! Then when you couldn't prove HOW
they did it with a sample budget you really freaked out and back-peddled!
So I'll say it again - unless a women/girl is getting all kinds of Gov. and
family help she is not going to make it on the minimum wage! Lets remember
the Gov. is tired of helping all these single mothers and wants them to work
and support themselves on these low wages of $5.75 to perhaps $6.50 an hour
at McDonalds and K-Mart. It can't be done. That their lives are destroyed
means nothing to people like you!
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FP.........
Wise men stare at the unknown, and boldly asks, WHY?
Others... fall on their hands and knees, and start mumbling...
(God did it! God did it!)
~ Thus Spake God's Creator ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~><> ><>
Do they also warn women of the dangers of term pregnancy and
birth?.......like:
http://www.indiaparenting.com/pregnancy/data/preg16_00.shtml
http://www.freeminds.org/history/part1.htm
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| User: "Somesappywriter" |
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24 May 2004 06:08:20 AM |
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On 24 May 2004 00:37:37 -0700, (osprey) wrote:
"Flower Power" <FreeChoice@this.net> wrote in message news:<toWdnf_HFpOGxCzdRVn-uw@heartoftn.net>...
Heishman now BACKPEDDLES as fast as possible!
Clearing up untruth #1
By no means are you any authprity on truth, Rheish.
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| User: ":::vera:::" |
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01 Jun 2004 08:45:49 PM |
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In news:Y7idnSfeo4CqUzPdRVn-tA@comcast.com,
Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
":::vera:::" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
news:2h80mfFa3t7mU1@uni-berlin.de...
In news:c30d43e8.0405200950.1e5bcd4e@posting.google.com,
Mark Sebree <sebree@infionline.net> wrote:
":::vera:::" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
news:<2h3t1mF8pvndU1@uni-berlin.de>...
Now this is the solution to the questions:
____________________________________________________________
1. There's a preacher and wife who are very, very, poor. They
already have 14 kids.
Now she finds out she's pregnant with her 15th. They're living in
tremendous poverty.
Considering their poverty and the excessive world population, would
you consider
recommending she get an abortion?
2. The father is sick with sniffles, the mother has TB. They have 4
children. the 1st is blind,
the 2nd is dead, the 3rd is deaf and the 4th has TB. she finds
she's pregnant again. Given the extreme situation, would you
consider recommending abortion?
3. A white man raped a 13 year old black girl and she got pregnant.
If you were her parents, would you consider recommending abortion?
4. A teenage girl is pregnant. She's not married.
Here fiancee is not the father of the baby, and he's very upset.
Would you consider recommending abortion?
Answers:
If you have answered "yes" in any of these situations:
In the first case, you have just killed John Wesley. One of the
great evangelists of the 19th century.
In the second case, you have killed Beethoven.
In the third case, you have killed Ethel Waters, the great black
gospel singer.
If you said yes to the fourth case, you have just declared the
murder of Jesus Christ!
Something to think about and pass along.
Contributed by Delberta Fluharty, of Joplin, Missouri
vera :::
I have thought about it. So what? I could care less about John
Wesley or Ethel Waters, I prefer the Strauss family for classical
music, and I am not Christian, so who cares about multiple
conflicting and probably erroneous accounts of a man that lived
2000 years ago.
And there were also plenty of cases where the people born in those
situations lived miserable lives and/or were criminals. And thus
are unknown to history. The exceptions do not prove the rule, nor
support your point that women should be forced to suffer through
unwanted pregnancies.
The PROPER response to the question is "Let the woman that is
pregnant make the decision about her pregnancy for herself. It is
not our place to tell her how to live her life."
Mark Sebree
Well, if it was only "her" life...
Thats just it.
They know it vera, but they don't want to admit it.
Years ago, women didn't know much about the stages of development.
Since the past 10 to 20 years, we have been shown what fetal
development looks like, thus causing more people to turn away from
abortion.
The good news is, in the past decade abortion numbers have dropped
significantly. Also, teen pregnancies have dropped. So maybe, just
maybe, we are starting to get somewhere with unwanted pregnancies and
avoiding abortions.
You can see the average Americans resentment growing towards issues
like late term abortions. Women now realize, thanks to medical
science, that the unborn fetus is not a blob of tissue. There is an
actual living, growing, human being; and we see that happening early
on in the pregnancy.
Pictures of abortions, is something they will want to hide. Yet, they
accuse us of wanting to hide the truth...you gotta laugh at their
hypocrisy.
You are so true, friend...
Not much time lately... the devil was dancing in another group, too.
I hope many of the unborns are still alive due to your good job here. :-)
Love and Peace,
::: vera :::
I will praise thee, O Lord, among the people: I will sing unto thee among the nations. (Psalm 57:9)
--
"GROWING DEEPER" on
:::::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de :::::::::::::::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm ::::::::::
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| User: "Attila" |
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22 May 2004 05:46:29 AM |
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On Fri, 21 May 2004 23:51:46 -0400, "Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <Y7idnSfeo4CqUzPdRVn-tA@comcast.com>
wrote:
The PROPER response to the question is "Let the woman that is pregnant
make the decision about her pregnancy for herself. It is not our
place to tell her how to live her life."
Mark Sebree
Well, if it was only "her" life...
Thats just it.
They know it vera, but they don't want to admit it.
This mystifies and at the same time amuses me. THis attitude of 'the
poor woman simply doesn't know what she was doing' continues to
astound me. As if women have no idea that if a woman is pregnant and
does not get an abortion she will give birth to a bay but if she does
get an abortion she will not give birth to a baby.
I don't know what part of the process they think women are too stupid
to understand. They treat the entire subject as if it simply a matter
of education, and if they publish enough images (both real and fake)
or give enough references to textbooks the woman involved will
suddenly be enlightened and refuse to do anything but complete her
pregnancy.
I really hate to point this out (No, I really don't) but she gets it.
She knows exactly what she is doing and showing images and giving
references is education comparable to explaining in detail how an
appendix is removed to a group who already knows what an appendectomy
is, the conditions under which it is needed (or desired) and exactly
what the result is. The actual mechanics are irrelevant.
No pregnant woman ever got an abortion without knowing the result
would be that she would no longer be pregnant and that at the end of a
certain period of time she would not have a baby. Do you actually
think women are this stupid?
The actual basic fact is that this is not an issue. A pregnant woman
can make a choice, and if she does not want to put her body through
this procedure and end up with a baby she can stop it at any point.
That is all the information she really needs. The details are
irrelevant.
Years ago, women didn't know much about the stages of development. Since
the past 10 to 20 years, we have been shown what fetal development looks
like, thus causing more people to turn away from abortion.
The good news is, in the past decade abortion numbers have dropped
significantly. Also, teen pregnancies have dropped. So maybe, just maybe,
we are starting to get somewhere with unwanted pregnancies and avoiding
abortions.
No one would say that is bad.
You can see the average Americans resentment growing towards issues like
late term abortions. Women now realize, thanks to medical science, that the
unborn fetus is not a blob of tissue.
See above. Again you indicate you think women are stupid and
ignorant.
There is an actual living, growing,
human being; and we see that happening early on in the pregnancy.
See above.
Pictures of abortions, is something they will want to hide. Yet, they
accuse us of wanting to hide the truth...you gotta laugh at their hypocrisy.
See above. The actual truth (and it is frustrating fro you isn't it?)
is that most people simply do not care. If I had surgery for whatever
I would not be interested in seeing any pictures of the procedure
because that would have nothing at all to do with whether or not I
decided to have it done. I would concentrate on why it was needed and
what would the end result be with no interest in any detail as to how
the end result was achieved.
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| User: "Mark Sebree" |
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22 May 2004 09:07:52 PM |
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":::vera:::" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message news:<2h80mfFa3t7mU1@uni-berlin.de>...
In news:c30d43e8.0405200950.1e5bcd4e@posting.google.com,
Mark Sebree <sebree@infionline.net> wrote:
":::vera:::" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
news:<2h3t1mF8pvndU1@uni-berlin.de>...
Now this is the solution to the questions:
____________________________________________________________
1. There's a preacher and wife who are very, very, poor. They
already have 14 kids.
Now she finds out she's pregnant with her 15th. They're living in
tremendous poverty.
Considering their poverty and the excessive world population, would
you consider
recommending she get an abortion?
2. The father is sick with sniffles, the mother has TB. They have 4
children. the 1st is blind,
the 2nd is dead, the 3rd is deaf and the 4th has TB. she finds she's
pregnant again. Given the extreme situation, would you consider
recommending abortion?
3. A white man raped a 13 year old black girl and she got pregnant.
If you were her parents, would you consider recommending abortion?
4. A teenage girl is pregnant. She's not married.
Here fiancee is not the father of the baby, and he's very upset.
Would you consider recommending abortion?
Answers:
If you have answered "yes" in any of these situations:
In the first case, you have just killed John Wesley. One of the
great evangelists of the 19th century.
In the second case, you have killed Beethoven.
In the third case, you have killed Ethel Waters, the great black
gospel singer.
If you said yes to the fourth case, you have just declared the
murder of Jesus Christ!
Something to think about and pass along.
Contributed by Delberta Fluharty, of Joplin, Missouri
vera :::
I have thought about it. So what? I could care less about John
Wesley or Ethel Waters, I prefer the Strauss family for classical
music, and I am not Christian, so who cares about multiple conflicting
and probably erroneous accounts of a man that lived 2000 years ago.
And there were also plenty of cases where the people born in those
situations lived miserable lives and/or were criminals. And thus are
unknown to history. The exceptions do not prove the rule, nor support
your point that women should be forced to suffer through unwanted
pregnancies.
The PROPER response to the question is "Let the woman that is pregnant
make the decision about her pregnancy for herself. It is not our
place to tell her how to live her life."
Mark Sebree
Well, if it was only "her" life...
Peace,
::: vera :::
It is her life. What is your point? Nobody is required to undergo
physically damaging attacks on their bodies, or emotionally damaging
ones either. And a pregnancy is both. If a woman voluntarily accepts
the risks and the damage that pregnancy brings, then nobody is trying
to stop her. However, if for whatever reason the woman does not want
to accept those risks, then she has every right to terminate her
pregnancy at the earliest time possible.
Mark Sebree
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| User: "Robert B. Winn" |
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| Title: Re: Now this is the solution to the questions |
03 Jun 2004 11:27:54 PM |
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(Mark Sebree) wrote in message news:<c30d43e8.0405221807.23a630de@posting.google.com>...
":::vera:::" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message news:<2h80mfFa3t7mU1@uni-berlin.de>...
In news:c30d43e8.0405200950.1e5bcd4e@posting.google.com,
Mark Sebree < > wrote:
":::vera:::" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
news:<2h3t1mF8pvndU1@uni-berlin.de>...
Now this is the solution to the questions:
____________________________________________________________
1. There's a preacher and wife who are very, very, poor. They
already have 14 kids.
Now she finds out she's pregnant with her 15th. They're living in
tremendous poverty.
Considering their poverty and the excessive world population, would
you consider
recommending she get an abortion?
2. The father is sick with sniffles, the mother has TB. They have 4
children. the 1st is blind,
the 2nd is dead, the 3rd is deaf and the 4th has TB. she finds she's
pregnant again. Given the extreme situation, would you consider
recommending abortion?
3. A white man raped a 13 year old black girl and she got pregnant.
If you were her parents, would you consider recommending abortion?
4. A teenage girl is pregnant. She's not married.
Here fiancee is not the father of the baby, and he's very upset.
Would you consider recommending abortion?
Answers:
If you have answered "yes" in any of these situations:
In the first case, you have just killed John Wesley. One of the
great evangelists of the 19th century.
In the second case, you have killed Beethoven.
In the third case, you have killed Ethel Waters, the great black
gospel singer.
If you said yes to the fourth case, you have just declared the
murder of Jesus Christ!
Something to think about and pass along.
Contributed by Delberta Fluharty, of Joplin, Missouri
vera :::
I have thought about it. So what? I could care less about John
Wesley or Ethel Waters, I prefer the Strauss family for classical
music, and I am not Christian, so who cares about multiple conflicting
and probably erroneous accounts of a man that lived 2000 years ago.
And there were also plenty of cases where the people born in those
situations lived miserable lives and/or were criminals. And thus are
unknown to history. The exceptions do not prove the rule, nor support
your point that women should be forced to suffer through unwanted
pregnancies.
The PROPER response to the question is "Let the woman that is pregnant
make the decision about her pregnancy for herself. It is not our
place to tell her how to live her life."
Mark Sebree
Well, if it was only "her" life...
Peace,
::: vera :::
It is her life. What is your point? Nobody is required to undergo
physically damaging attacks on their bodies, or emotionally damaging
ones either. And a pregnancy is both. If a woman voluntarily accepts
the risks and the damage that pregnancy brings, then nobody is trying
to stop her. However, if for whatever reason the woman does not want
to accept those risks, then she has every right to terminate her
pregnancy at the earliest time possible.
Mark Sebree
Still trying to promote adultery, Mark? God already condemned adulterers.
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "Mark Sebree" |
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| Title: Re: Now this is the solution to the questions |
04 Jun 2004 09:44:02 AM |
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(Robert B. Winn) wrote in message news:<7943568.0406032027.d67e243@posting.google.com>...
sebree@infionline.net (Mark Sebree) wrote in message news:<c30d43e8.0405221807.23a630de@posting.google.com>...
":::vera:::" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message news:<2h80mfFa3t7mU1@uni-berlin.de>...
In news:c30d43e8.0405200950.1e5bcd4e@posting.google.com,
Mark Sebree <sebree@infionline.net> wrote:
":::vera:::" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
news:<2h3t1mF8pvndU1@uni-berlin.de>...
Now this is the solution to the questions:
____________________________________________________________
1. There's a preacher and wife who are very, very, poor. They
already have 14 kids.
Now she finds out she's pregnant with her 15th. They're living in
tremendous poverty.
Considering their poverty and the excessive world population, would
you consider
recommending she get an abortion?
2. The father is sick with sniffles, the mother has TB. They have 4
children. the 1st is blind,
the 2nd is dead, the 3rd is deaf and the 4th has TB. she finds she's
pregnant again. Given the extreme situation, would you consider
recommending abortion?
3. A white man raped a 13 year old black girl and she got pregnant.
If you were her parents, would you consider recommending abortion?
4. A teenage girl is pregnant. She's not married.
Here fiancee is not the father of the baby, and he's very upset.
Would you consider recommending abortion?
Answers:
If you have answered "yes" in any of these situations:
In the first case, you have just killed John Wesley. One of the
great evangelists of the 19th century.
In the second case, you have killed Beethoven.
In the third case, you have killed Ethel Waters, the great black
gospel singer.
If you said yes to the fourth case, you have just declared the
murder of Jesus Christ!
Something to think about and pass along.
Contributed by Delberta Fluharty, of Joplin, Missouri
vera :::
I have thought about it. So what? I could care less about John
Wesley or Ethel Waters, I prefer the Strauss family for classical
music, and I am not Christian, so who cares about multiple conflicting
and probably erroneous accounts of a man that lived 2000 years ago.
And there were also plenty of cases where the people born in those
situations lived miserable lives and/or were criminals. And thus are
unknown to history. The exceptions do not prove the rule, nor support
your point that women should be forced to suffer through unwanted
pregnancies.
The PROPER response to the question is "Let the woman that is pregnant
make the decision about her pregnancy for herself. It is not our
place to tell her how to live her life."
Mark Sebree
Well, if it was only "her" life...
Peace,
::: vera :::
It is her life. What is your point? Nobody is required to undergo
physically damaging attacks on their bodies, or emotionally damaging
ones either. And a pregnancy is both. If a woman voluntarily accepts
the risks and the damage that pregnancy brings, then nobody is trying
to stop her. However, if for whatever reason the woman does not want
to accept those risks, then she has every right to terminate her
pregnancy at the earliest time possible.
Mark Sebree
Still trying to promote adultery, Mark?
No, and I have not done so in the past. Your PERSONAL definition of
adultery is completely inapplicable to me.
If you think that I have promoted adultery, then prove it. Be sure
that you use the actual definition of adultery, however, and not your
personal and wrong definition.
Also, there was nothing in what I posted that had anything to do with
adultery. Therefore, your assertion is completely non sequitor and a
blatent strawman. And you need to support your accusation.
God already condemned adulterers.
Robert B. Winn
Well, that leaves me safe then. He has also comdemned liars, and that
means, according to your own beliefs, that you are condemned, since
you lie constantly.
Mark Sebree
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| User: "Robert B. Winn" |
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| Title: Re: Now this is the solution to the questions |
04 Jun 2004 03:06:26 PM |
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(Mark Sebree) wrote in message news:<c30d43e8.0406040644.451bf208@posting.google.com>...
rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote in message news:<7943568.0406032027.d67e243@posting.google.com>...
(Mark Sebree) wrote in message news:<c30d43e8.0405221807.23a630de@posting.google.com>...
":::vera:::" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message news:<2h80mfFa3t7mU1@uni-berlin.de>...
In news:c30d43e8.0405200950.1e5bcd4e@posting.google.com,
Mark Sebree < > wrote:
":::vera:::" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
news:<2h3t1mF8pvndU1@uni-berlin.de>...
Now this is the solution to the questions:
____________________________________________________________
1. There's a preacher and wife who are very, very, poor. They
already have 14 kids.
Now she finds out she's pregnant with her 15th. They're living in
tremendous poverty.
Considering their poverty and the excessive world population, would
you consider
recommending she get an abortion?
2. The father is sick with sniffles, the mother has TB. They have 4
children. the 1st is blind,
the 2nd is dead, the 3rd is deaf and the 4th has TB. she finds she's
pregnant again. Given the extreme situation, would you consider
recommending abortion?
3. A white man raped a 13 year old black girl and she got pregnant.
If you were her parents, would you consider recommending abortion?
4. A teenage girl is pregnant. She's not married.
Here fiancee is not the father of the baby, and he's very upset.
Would you consider recommending abortion?
Answers:
If you have answered "yes" in any of these situations:
In the first case, you have just killed John Wesley. One of the
great evangelists of the 19th century.
In the second case, you have killed Beethoven.
In the third case, you have killed Ethel Waters, the great black
gospel singer.
If you said yes to the fourth case, you have just declared the
murder of Jesus Christ!
Something to think about and pass along.
Contributed by Delberta Fluharty, of Joplin, Missouri
vera :::
I have thought about it. So what? I could care less about John
Wesley or Ethel Waters, I prefer the Strauss family for classical
music, and I am not Christian, so who cares about multiple conflicting
and probably erroneous accounts of a man that lived 2000 years ago.
And there were also plenty of cases where the people born in those
situations lived miserable lives and/or were criminals. And thus are
unknown to history. The exceptions do not prove the rule, nor support
your point that women should be forced to suffer through unwanted
pregnancies.
The PROPER response to the question is "Let the woman that is pregnant
make the decision about her pregnancy for herself. It is not our
place to tell her how to live her life."
Mark Sebree
Well, if it was only "her" life...
Peace,
::: vera :::
It is her life. What is your point? Nobody is required to undergo
physically damaging attacks on their bodies, or emotionally damaging
ones either. And a pregnancy is both. If a woman voluntarily accepts
the risks and the damage that pregnancy brings, then nobody is trying
to stop her. However, if for whatever reason the woman does not want
to accept those risks, then she has every right to terminate her
pregnancy at the earliest time possible.
Mark Sebree
Still trying to promote adultery, Mark?
No, and I have not done so in the past. Your PERSONAL definition of
adultery is completely inapplicable to me.
If you think that I have promoted adultery, then prove it. Be sure
that you use the actual definition of adultery, however, and not your
personal and wrong definition.
Also, there was nothing in what I posted that had anything to do with
adultery. Therefore, your assertion is completely non sequitor and a
blatent strawman. And you need to support your accusation.
God already condemned adulterers.
Robert B. Winn
Well, that leaves me safe then. He has also comdemned liars, and that
means, according to your own beliefs, that you are condemned, since
you lie constantly.
Mark Sebree
No, I do not lie. Adultery is a sin. Exodus 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "Mark Sebree" |
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| Title: Re: Now this is the solution to the questions |
06 Jun 2004 07:49:58 PM |
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(Robert B. Winn) wrote in message news:<7943568.0406041206.757df20a@posting.google.com>...
sebree@infionline.net (Mark Sebree) wrote in message news:<c30d43e8.0406040644.451bf208@posting.google.com>...
(Robert B. Winn) wrote in message news:<7943568.0406032027.d67e243@posting.google.com>...
sebree@infionline.net (Mark Sebree) wrote in message news:<c30d43e8.0405221807.23a630de@posting.google.com>...
It is her life. What is your point? Nobody is required to undergo
physically damaging attacks on their bodies, or emotionally damaging
ones either. And a pregnancy is both. If a woman voluntarily accepts
the risks and the damage that pregnancy brings, then nobody is trying
to stop her. However, if for whatever reason the woman does not want
to accept those risks, then she has every right to terminate her
pregnancy at the earliest time possible.
Mark Sebree
Still trying to promote adultery, Mark?
No, and I have not done so in the past. Your PERSONAL definition of
adultery is completely inapplicable to me.
If you think that I have promoted adultery, then prove it. Be sure
that you use the actual definition of adultery, however, and not your
personal and wrong definition.
Also, there was nothing in what I posted that had anything to do with
adultery. Therefore, your assertion is completely non sequitor and a
blatent strawman. And you need to support your accusation.
God already condemned adulterers.
Robert B. Winn
Well, that leaves me safe then. He has also comdemned liars, and that
means, according to your own beliefs, that you are condemned, since
you lie constantly.
Mark Sebree
No, I do not lie.
Then prove that I have committed adultery. Since I am single, and you
know it, it is impossible for you to prove that I have committed
adultery since that requires that the person you are talking about to
be married.
Therefore, since your know that it is impossible for me to commit
adultery, and you know that it is impossible, you have told a lie.
And you have told another one by stating that you do not lie.
Adultery is a sin.
According to your beliefs. However, I am not subject to your opinions
about what is and is not a "sin" since I am not a member of your
oppressive and dictatorial religion.
Exodus 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Robert B. Winn
The Ten Commandments also state that you are not supposed to bear
false witness. I have not committed adultery, and according to the
definition of adultery, it is impossible for me to do so. You know
that I have not commiited adultery, and that I cannot do so.
Therefore, I have not sinned according to your beliefs. Therefore,
you have born false witness against me, meaning that you have sinned
according to your own beliefs.
Mark Sebree
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04 Jun 2004 08:24:26 PM |
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Robert B. Winn wrote:
sebree@infionline.net (Mark Sebree) wrote in message news:<c30d43e8.0406040644.451bf208@posting.google.com>...
rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote in message news:<7943568.0406032027.d67e243@posting.google.com>...
sebree@infionline.net (Mark Sebree) wrote in message news:<c30d43e8.0405221807.23a630de@posting.google.com>...
":::vera:::" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message news:<2h80mfFa3t7mU1@uni-berlin.de>...
In news:c30d43e8.0405200950.1e5bcd4e@posting.google.com,
Mark Sebree <sebree@infionline.net> wrote:
":::vera:::" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
news:<2h3t1mF8pvndU1@uni-berlin.de>...
Now this is the solution to the questions:
____________________________________________________________
1. There's a preacher and wife who are very, very, poor. They
already have 14 kids.
Now she finds out she's pregnant with her 15th. They're living in
tremendous poverty.
Considering their poverty and the excessive world population, would
you consider
recommending she get an abortion?
2. The father is sick with sniffles, the mother has TB. They have 4
children. the 1st is blind,
the 2nd is dead, the 3rd is deaf and the 4th has TB. she finds she's
pregnant again. Given the extreme situation, would you consider
recommending abortion?
3. A white man raped a 13 year old black girl and she got pregnant.
If you were her parents, would you consider recommending abortion?
4. A teenage girl is pregnant. She's not married.
Here fiancee is not the father of the baby, and he's very upset.
Would you consider recommending abortion?
Answers:
If you have answered "yes" in any of these situations:
In the first case, you have just killed John Wesley. One of the
great evangelists of the 19th century.
In the second case, you have killed Beethoven.
In the third case, you have killed Ethel Waters, the great black
gospel singer.
If you said yes to the fourth case, you have just declared the
murder of Jesus Christ!
Something to think about and pass along.
Contributed by Delberta Fluharty, of Joplin, Missouri
vera :::
I have thought about it. So what? I could care less about John
Wesley or Ethel Waters, I prefer the Strauss family for classical
music, and I am not Christian, so who cares about multiple conflicting
and probably erroneous accounts of a man that lived 2000 years ago.
And there were also plenty of cases where the people born in those
situations lived miserable lives and/or were criminals. And thus are
unknown to history. The exceptions do not prove the rule, nor support
your point that women should be forced to suffer through unwanted
pregnancies.
The PROPER response to the question is "Let the woman that is pregnant
make the decision about her pregnancy for herself. It is not our
place to tell her how to live her life."
Mark Sebree
Well, if it was only "her" life...
Peace,
::: vera :::
It is her life. What is your point? Nobody is required to undergo
physically damaging attacks on their bodies, or emotionally damaging
ones either. And a pregnancy is both. If a woman voluntarily accepts
the risks and the damage that pregnancy brings, then nobody is trying
to stop her. However, if for whatever reason the woman does not want
to accept those risks, then she has every right to terminate her
pregnancy at the earliest time possible.
Mark Sebree
Still trying to promote adultery, Mark?
No, and I have not done so in the past. Your PERSONAL definition of
adultery is completely inapplicable to me.
If you think that I have promoted adultery, then prove it. Be sure
that you use the actual definition of adultery, however, and not your
personal and wrong definition.
Also, there was nothing in what I posted that had anything to do with
adultery. Therefore, your assertion is completely non sequitor and a
blatent strawman. And you need to support your accusation.
God already condemned adulterers.
Robert B. Winn
Well, that leaves me safe then. He has also comdemned liars, and that
means, according to your own beliefs, that you are condemned, since
you lie constantly.
Mark Sebree
No, I do not lie.
You lie nonstop.
Adultery is a sin. Exodus 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Robert B. Winn
Which has now been invalidated (according to you) so it is no longer a sin.
--
--sexkitten--What's worse than a knee- jerk liberal? A kneepad
conservative, that's who, forever groveling before the rich and
powerful. -Edward Abbey
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04 Jun 2004 05:06:30 AM |
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On 3 Jun 2004 21:27:54 -0700, (Robert B.
Winn) in alt.abortion with message-id
<7943568.0406032027.d67e243@posting.google.com> wrote:
It is her life. What is your point? Nobody is required to undergo
physically damaging attacks on their bodies, or emotionally damaging
ones either. And a pregnancy is both. If a woman voluntarily accepts
the risks and the damage that pregnancy brings, then nobody is trying
to stop her. However, if for whatever reason the woman does not want
to accept those risks, then she has every right to terminate her
pregnancy at the earliest time possible.
Mark Sebree
Still trying to promote adultery, Mark? God already condemned adulterers.
Robert B. Winn
There is no connection between adultery and the freedom of choice.
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| User: "--sexkitten--" |
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03 Jun 2004 11:42:39 PM |
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Robert B. Winn wrote:
sebree@infionline.net (Mark Sebree) wrote in message news:<c30d43e8.0405221807.23a630de@posting.google.com>...
":::vera:::" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message news:<2h80mfFa3t7mU1@uni-berlin.de>...
In news:c30d43e8.0405200950.1e5bcd4e@posting.google.com,
Mark Sebree <sebree@infionline.net> wrote:
":::vera:::" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
news:<2h3t1mF8pvndU1@uni-berlin.de>...
Now this is the solution to the questions:
____________________________________________________________
1. There's a preacher and wife who are very, very, poor. They
already have 14 kids.
Now she finds out she's pregnant with her 15th. They're living in
tremendous poverty.
Considering their poverty and the excessive world population, would
you consider
recommending she get an abortion?
2. The father is sick with sniffles, the mother has TB. They have 4
children. the 1st is blind,
the 2nd is dead, the 3rd is deaf and the 4th has TB. she finds she's
pregnant again. Given the extreme situation, would you consider
recommending abortion?
3. A white man raped a 13 year old black girl and she got pregnant.
If you were her parents, would you consider recommending abortion?
4. A teenage girl is pregnant. She's not married.
Here fiancee is not the father of the baby, and he's very upset.
Would you consider recommending abortion?
Answers:
If you have answered "yes" in any of these situations:
In the first case, you have just killed John Wesley. One of the
great evangelists of the 19th century.
In the second case, you have killed Beethoven.
In the third case, you have killed Ethel Waters, the great black
gospel singer.
If you said yes to the fourth case, you have just declared the
murder of Jesus Christ!
Something to think about and pass along.
Contributed by Delberta Fluharty, of Joplin, Missouri
vera :::
I have thought about it. So what? I could care less about John
Wesley or Ethel Waters, I prefer the Strauss family for classical
music, and I am not Christian, so who cares about multiple conflicting
and probably erroneous accounts of a man that lived 2000 years ago.
And there were also plenty of cases where the people born in those
situations lived miserable lives and/or were criminals. And thus are
unknown to history. The exceptions do not prove the rule, nor support
your point that women should be forced to suffer through unwanted
pregnancies.
The PROPER response to the question is "Let the woman that is pregnant
make the decision about her pregnancy for herself. It is not our
place to tell her how to live her life."
Mark Sebree
Well, if it was only "her" life...
Peace,
::: vera :::
It is her life. What is your point? Nobody is required to undergo
physically damaging attacks on their bodies, or emotionally damaging
ones either. And a pregnancy is both. If a woman voluntarily accepts
the risks and the damage that pregnancy brings, then nobody is trying
to stop her. However, if for whatever reason the woman does not want
to accept those risks, then she has every right to terminate her
pregnancy at the earliest time possible.
Mark Sebree
Still trying to promote adultery, Mark? God already condemned adulterers.
Robert B. Winn
Wow, not one word in his post about adultery. Good to know you're still
perfectly safe from all facts.
--
--sexkitten--He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby
become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss
gazes also into you.
Friedrich Nietzsche
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| User: "Mark Sebree" |
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04 Jun 2004 09:46:03 AM |
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--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<2iacu6Fk5121U1@uni-berlin.de>...
Robert B. Winn wrote:
sebree@infionline.net (Mark Sebree) wrote in message news:<c30d43e8.0405221807.23a630de@posting.google.com>...
":::vera:::" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message news:<2h80mfFa3t7mU1@uni-berlin.de>...
In news:c30d43e8.0405200950.1e5bcd4e@posting.google.com,
Mark Sebree <sebree@infionline.net> wrote:
":::vera:::" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
news:<2h3t1mF8pvndU1@uni-berlin.de>...
Now this is the solution to the questions:
____________________________________________________________
1. There's a preacher and wife who are very, very, poor. They
already have 14 kids.
Now she finds out she's pregnant with her 15th. They're living in
tremendous poverty.
Considering their poverty and the excessive world population, would
you consider
recommending she get an abortion?
2. The father is sick with sniffles, the mother has TB. They have 4
children. the 1st is blind,
the 2nd is dead, the 3rd is deaf and the 4th has TB. she finds she's
pregnant again. Given the extreme situation, would you consider
recommending abortion?
3. A white man raped a 13 year old black girl and she got pregnant.
If you were her parents, would you consider recommending abortion?
4. A teenage girl is pregnant. She's not married.
Here fiancee is not the father of the baby, and he's very upset.
Would you consider recommending abortion?
Answers:
If you have answered "yes" in any of these situations:
In the first case, you have just killed John Wesley. One of the
great evangelists of the 19th century.
In the second case, you have killed Beethoven.
In the third case, you have killed Ethel Waters, the great black
gospel singer.
If you said yes to the fourth case, you have just declared the
murder of Jesus Christ!
Something to think about and pass along.
Contributed by Delberta Fluharty, of Joplin, Missouri
vera :::
I have thought about it. So what? I could care less about John
Wesley or Ethel Waters, I prefer the Strauss family for classical
music, and I am not Christian, so who cares about multiple conflicting
and probably erroneous accounts of a man that lived 2000 years ago.
And there were also plenty of cases where the people born in those
situations lived miserable lives and/or were criminals. And thus are
unknown to history. The exceptions do not prove the rule, nor support
your point that women should be forced to suffer through unwanted
pregnancies.
The PROPER response to the question is "Let the woman that is pregnant
make the decision about her pregnancy for herself. It is not our
place to tell her how to live her life."
Mark Sebree
Well, if it was only "her" life...
Peace,
::: vera :::
It is her life. What is your point? Nobody is required to undergo
physically damaging attacks on their bodies, or emotionally damaging
ones either. And a pregnancy is both. If a woman voluntarily accepts
the risks and the damage that pregnancy brings, then nobody is trying
to stop her. However, if for whatever reason the woman does not want
to accept those risks, then she has every right to terminate her
pregnancy at the earliest time possible.
Mark Sebree
Still trying to promote adultery, Mark? God already condemned adulterers.
Robert B. Winn
Wow, not one word in his post about adultery. Good to know you're still
perfectly safe from all facts.
Robert thinks that I should be subject to his personal opinions about
what words mean, even when there is ample evidence that the definition
he prefers is incorrect or incomplete.
He cannot tolerate freedom or the truth, it would seem.
Mark Sebree
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| User: "Robert B. Winn" |
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| Title: Re: Now this is the solution to the questions |
04 Jun 2004 03:03:36 PM |
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(Mark Sebree) wrote in message news:<c30d43e8.0406040646.3cb259bb@posting.google.com>...
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<2iacu6Fk5121U1@uni-berlin.de>...
Robert B. Winn wrote:
(Mark Sebree) wrote in message news:<c30d43e8.0405221807.23a630de@posting.google.com>...
":::vera:::" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message news:<2h80mfFa3t7mU1@uni-berlin.de>...
In news:c30d43e8.0405200950.1e5bcd4e@posting.google.com,
Mark Sebree < > wrote:
":::vera:::" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
news:<2h3t1mF8pvndU1@uni-berlin.de>...
Now this is the solution to the questions:
____________________________________________________________
1. There's a preacher and wife who are very, very, poor. They
already have 14 kids.
Now she finds out she's pregnant with her 15th. They're living in
tremendous poverty.
Considering their poverty and the excessive world population, would
you consider
recommending she get an abortion?
2. The father is sick with sniffles, the mother has TB. They have 4
children. the 1st is blind,
the 2nd is dead, the 3rd is deaf and the 4th has TB. she finds she's
pregnant again. Given the extreme situation, would you consider
recommending abortion?
3. A white man raped a 13 year old black girl and she got pregnant.
If you were her parents, would you consider recommending abortion?
4. A teenage girl is pregnant. She's not married.
Here fiancee is not the father of the baby, and he's very upset.
Would you consider recommending abortion?
Answers:
If you have answered "yes" in any of these situations:
In the first case, you have just killed John Wesley. One of the
great evangelists of the 19th century.
In the second case, you have killed Beethoven.
In the third case, you have killed Ethel Waters, the great black
gospel singer.
If you said yes to the fourth case, you have just declared the
murder of Jesus Christ!
Something to think about and pass along.
Contributed by Delberta Fluharty, of Joplin, Missouri
vera :::
I have thought about it. So what? I could care less about John
Wesley or Ethel Waters, I prefer the Strauss family for classical
music, and I am not Christian, so who cares about multiple conflicting
and probably erroneous accounts of a man that lived 2000 years ago.
And there were also plenty of cases where the people born in those
situations lived miserable lives and/or were criminals. And thus are
unknown to history. The exceptions do not prove the rule, nor support
your point that women should be forced to suffer through unwanted
pregnancies.
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