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02 Jul 2006 09:18:00 PM |
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Nursing mothers target Victoria's Secret |
Certain practices are best done in private; breast feeding being a prime
example. Victoria's Secret has always had a good relationship with it's
customers and shouldn't be the target of such a display.
http://www.eyewitnessnewstv.com/Global/story.asp?S=5105532&nav=F2DO
CLEVELAND Protesting mothers breast-fed their babies outside Victoria's
Secret stores yesterday.
What organizers were calling a nationwide nurse-in came together after a mom
in Massachusetts and another in Wisconsin complained they were directed to
the bathroom when they tried to nurse their infants while shopping at
Victoria's Secret last month.
The leader of yesterday's demonstration in front of a Cleveland-area store
said Victoria's Secret "plasters breasts everywhere" but seems offended when
they're used for their intended purpose.
A spokesman for Columbus-based Limited Brands, which owns Victoria's Secret,
says the company has a long-standing policy allowing mothers to nurse in
their stores. He says associates are being reminded of that.
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J Yöung
youngopinions@aol.com
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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02 Jul 2006 10:48:21 PM |
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<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Certain practices are best done in private; breast feeding being a prime
example.
Jon Young is afraid of women and hates children.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Josh Miles" |
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03 Jul 2006 01:34:09 AM |
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wrote:
Certain practices are best done in private; breast feeding being a prime
example.
What's the matter, Young? Being the maladjusted creep you are, are you
afraid you might get aroused by the sight of a breast? Or perhaps the
sight of a baby sucking on one? You're a weird *****, Young. Don't you
go and masturbate now. Remember, it makes baby Jesus cry when people
masturbate. And don't forget that every time you do it, God kills a kitten.
Victoria's Secret has always had a good relationship with it's
customers
You know this because you're a regular customer?
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| User: "relpo miraculous" |
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03 Jul 2006 03:51:51 AM |
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Certain practices are best done in private; breast feeding being a prime
example.
What's the matter, Young? Being the maladjusted creep you are, are you
afraid you might get aroused by the sight of a breast?
Young feels that nursing mother's are performing sexual acts in public, and are
just begging to be raped.
American Christianity has taken 8 steps backwards in the last 100 years.
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Relpo Miraculous
"I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want
you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good...Our
goal is a Christian nation. We have a Biblical duty, we are called by
God, to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want
pluralism."
--Randall Terry,
Schiavo Family Spokesman and Founder of Operation
Rescue, The News-Sentinel, Fort Wayne, Indiana, 8-16-93
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| User: "Peter Barber" |
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03 Jul 2006 04:56:15 AM |
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wrote:
Certain practices are best done in private; breast feeding being a prime
example. <snip>
J Y=F6ung
youngopini...@aol.com
Come on, Mr Superfluous-umlaut, we all want to hear it first-hand.
Why is breast-feeding best done in private?
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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03 Jul 2006 05:51:59 AM |
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Peter Barber <peterbarber73@gmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
youngopinions@aol.com wrote:
Certain practices are best done in private; breast feeding being a prime
example. <snip>
Come on, Mr Superfluous-umlaut, we all want to hear it first-hand.
Why is breast-feeding best done in private?
I'm wondering if any atheists are actually against public breast
feeding. It seems that everyone I've met that's against it has been
religious.
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Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Peter Barber" |
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02 Jul 2006 10:56:37 PM |
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wrote:
Certain practices are best done in private; breast feeding being a prime
example. <snip>
Why? Enquiring minds would like to know.
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| User: "Conspiracy of Doves" |
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03 Jul 2006 12:48:16 AM |
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wrote:
Certain practices are best done in private; breast feeding being a prime
example. Victoria's Secret has always had a good relationship with it's
customers and shouldn't be the target of such a display.
http://www.eyewitnessnewstv.com/Global/story.asp?S=5105532&nav=F2DO
CLEVELAND Protesting mothers breast-fed their babies outside Victoria's
Secret stores yesterday.
What organizers were calling a nationwide nurse-in came together after a mom
in Massachusetts and another in Wisconsin complained they were directed to
the bathroom when they tried to nurse their infants while shopping at
Victoria's Secret last month.
The leader of yesterday's demonstration in front of a Cleveland-area store
said Victoria's Secret "plasters breasts everywhere" but seems offended when
they're used for their intended purpose.
A spokesman for Columbus-based Limited Brands, which owns Victoria's Secret,
says the company has a long-standing policy allowing mothers to nurse in
their stores. He says associates are being reminded of that.
Why do you hate things that are natural? First homosexuality and now
breast feeding.
Maybe it's because it reminds him that no woman will ever allow him to
get his hands on her breasts. Not that he WON'T get his hands on them,
mind you, just that she won't allow it.
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| User: "" |
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02 Jul 2006 09:31:44 PM |
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wrote:
Certain practices are best done in private; breast feeding being a prime
example. Victoria's Secret has always had a good relationship with it's
customers and shouldn't be the target of such a display.
Correction: you have poor relationships with everybody and you never
stopped bawling since your mother weened you, which is why you should
never be a target of a display of breastfeeding.
http://www.eyewitnessnewstv.com/Global/story.asp?S=5105532&nav=F2DO
CLEVELAND Protesting mothers breast-fed their babies outside Victoria's
Secret stores yesterday.
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| User: "Liz" |
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03 Jul 2006 07:41:05 AM |
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On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 22:18:00 -0400, <youngopinions@aol.com> in news
message <ZpOdnWK8FtQY4zXZnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:
Certain practices are best done in private; breast feeding being a prime
example.
Ohio revised code section 3781.55 took effect on Sept. 12, 2005. It
states that a mother is entitled to breast feed her baby in any
location of a place of public accommodation. By requesting that the
mother breast feed her child in the bathroom, Victoria's Secret
violated the law.
Why are you against laws passed by a duly elected legislature?
Liz #658 BAAWA
Religion may in most of its forms be defined as the
belief that the gods are on the side of the government.
-- Bertrand Russell
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| User: "Curt" |
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04 Jul 2006 07:25:38 AM |
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"Liz" <ehuth1@donotspam.com> wrote in message
news:f13ia2hq3ev0udr3shblu5d2uqiqlgae7s@4ax.com...
On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 22:18:00 -0400, <youngopinions@aol.com> in news
message <ZpOdnWK8FtQY4zXZnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:
Certain practices are best done in private; breast feeding being a prime
example.
Ohio revised code section 3781.55 took effect on Sept. 12, 2005. It
states that a mother is entitled to breast feed her baby in any
location of a place of public accommodation. By requesting that the
mother breast feed her child in the bathroom, Victoria's Secret
violated the law.
They did apologize though, and tell their employees to let people breast
feed. At least, if I understood the newspaper article right. I guess store
policy was that people can breast feed, and some employee goofed up.
Curt
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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03 Jul 2006 07:52:37 AM |
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Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Certain practices are best done in private; breast feeding being a prime
example.
Ohio revised code section 3781.55 took effect on Sept. 12, 2005. It
states that a mother is entitled to breast feed her baby in any
location of a place of public accommodation. By requesting that the
mother breast feed her child in the bathroom, Victoria's Secret
violated the law.
Why are you against laws passed by a duly elected legislature?
If he saw a naked breast in public, he might get an erection and feel
the need to go rape the breast-feeding woman?
I'm wondering if he'd also object to a woman breast-feeding her
baby in a dark theater, to stop the baby from crying during the movie?
Even though it's dark, he still objects to a naked breast exposed in
public?? Hmm...
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Liz" |
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03 Jul 2006 08:17:39 AM |
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On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 12:52:37 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> in news message
<lc4ia2thqsicp93ltilh06g7avfd661s7u@4ax.com> wrote:
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Certain practices are best done in private; breast feeding being a prime
example.
Ohio revised code section 3781.55 took effect on Sept. 12, 2005. It
states that a mother is entitled to breast feed her baby in any
location of a place of public accommodation. By requesting that the
mother breast feed her child in the bathroom, Victoria's Secret
violated the law.
Why are you against laws passed by a duly elected legislature?
If he saw a naked breast in public, he might get an erection and feel
the need to go rape the breast-feeding woman?
A breast is very intimidating to those men who want to repress
sexuality -- their own and everyone else's. Those who want to
relegate breast feeding to private places are of the same ilk as those
who force women to wear burqas.
I'm wondering if he'd also object to a woman breast-feeding her
baby in a dark theater, to stop the baby from crying during the movie?
Even though it's dark, he still objects to a naked breast exposed in
public?? Hmm...
When I was a child, it was rather common to see a woman breast feed in
public. I remember seeing women feeding their infants in church, in
parks, or in restaurants. No one thought a thing of it. And while
the religious right would like to take the country back to the
"idyllic" '50s, when women were housewives and men were breadwinners,
they certainly don't want to take the public breast feeding along with
it.
Liz #658 BAAWA
They all agree on what their god wants. Each theist will tell you
that what the only true god wants, and what he, himself, wants, are
exactly the same. -- Al Klein
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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03 Jul 2006 12:24:56 PM |
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Previously, on alt.atheism, Liz in episode
<f13ia2hq3ev0udr3shblu5d2uqiqlgae7s@4ax.com>...
On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 22:18:00 -0400, <youngopinions@aol.com> in news message
<ZpOdnWK8FtQY4zXZnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:
Certain practices are best done in private; breast feeding being a prime
example.
Ohio revised code section 3781.55 took effect on Sept. 12, 2005. It
states that a mother is entitled to breast feed her baby in any location
of a place of public accommodation. By requesting that the mother breast
feed her child in the bathroom, Victoria's Secret violated the law.
Why are you against laws passed by a duly elected legislature?
Because dictatorship by mullahs is the only form of government of which he
approves...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Don Homuth" |
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02 Jul 2006 09:34:45 PM |
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On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 22:18:00 -0400, <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Certain practices are best done in private; breast feeding being a prime
example.
Why? Historically tht wasn't the case. It simply became
unFashionable about the time that baby formula was first being
marketed.
It's certainly not Immoral or sexually titillating -- unless you are
Really weird!
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| User: "Lobby Dosser" |
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03 Jul 2006 01:34:20 AM |
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Don Homuth <dhomuth1@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 22:18:00 -0400, <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Certain practices are best done in private; breast feeding being a
prime example.
Why? Historically tht wasn't the case. It simply became
unFashionable about the time that baby formula was first being
marketed.
Gee, you don't suppose ...
It's certainly not Immoral or sexually titillating -- unless you are
Really weird!
Ah, he IS!
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| User: "Don Homuth" |
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03 Jul 2006 09:05:16 AM |
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On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 06:34:20 GMT, Lobby Dosser
<lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote:
Don Homuth <dhomuth1@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 22:18:00 -0400, <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Certain practices are best done in private; breast feeding being a
prime example.
Why? Historically tht wasn't the case. It simply became
unFashionable about the time that baby formula was first being
marketed.
Gee, you don't suppose ...
I don't -- there's no need to suppose. One of the ways the baby
formula makers decided to open a market niche was actively to campaign
Against breast feeding, especially in the Third World.
They marketed their formula as Modern and Hygenic and Western -- and
depicted breast feeding as something archaic.
http://multinationalmonitor.org/hyper/issues/1987/04/formula.html
There were organized international boycotts against Nestle's campaign:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_boycott
Nestlé's perceived marketing strategy was first written about in New
Internationalist magazine in 1973 and in a booklet called The Baby
Killer published by the British non-governmental organization War On
Want in 1974. Nestlé attempted to sue the publisher of a
German-language translation (Third World Action Group). After a
two-year trial, the court found in favor of Nestlé and fined the group
300 Swiss francs because Nestlé could not be held responsible for the
infant deaths 'in terms of criminal law'.
The widespread publicity led to the launch of the boycott in
Minneapolis, USA. In May 1978, the US Senate held a public hearing
into the promotion of breast-milk substitutes in developing countries
and joined calls for a Marketing Code. This was developed under the
auspices of the World Health Organization and UNICEF and adopted by
the World Health Assembly in 1981 as the International Code of
Marketing of Breast-milk Substitutes. The Code covers infant formula
and other milk products, foods and beverages, when marketed or
otherwise represented to be suitable as a partial or total replacement
of breast-milk. It bans the promotion of breast-milk substitutes and
gives health workers the responsibility of advising parents. It limits
manufacturing companies to the provision of scientific and factual
information to health workers and sets out labeling requirements.
In 1984, boycott coordinators met with Nestlé and accepted the
company's undertaking that it would abide by the Code, but the
coordinators were not satisfied with Nestle's subsequent action and
the boycott was relaunched in 1988.
In May 1999 a ruling against Nestlé was issued by the UK Advertising
Standards Authority (ASA). Nestlé claimed in an anti-boycott
advertisement that it markets infant formula “ethically and
responsibly”. The ASA found that Nestlé could not support this nor
other claims in the face of evidence provided by the campaigning group
Baby Milk Action.
In November 2000, the European Parliament held a public hearing into
Nestlé's alleged malpractices. Although management told shareholders
months before that they welcomed the hearing, they refused to send a
representative. At the time, Nestlé objected to a presence of an
expert witness from the United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF) and
the International Baby Food Action Network (IBFAN). Later Nestlé
claimed none of its 230,000 employees was available.
http://www.breastfeedingtaskforla.org/advocacy/nestle-marketing.htm
Nestle's website continues to maintain that breastfeeding is superior
for a couple of months, rather than the longer period that most
experts in neonatal nutrition support:
http://www.babymilk.nestle.com/FAQ/
It's certainly not Immoral or sexually titillating -- unless you are
Really weird!
Ah, he IS!
I have met Xtians who have objected to calling humans "mammals"
because it suggests we are part of the Animal Kingdom in the world,
and not The Lowered's Own Chosen Species. It opens the door to
evolutionist thinking, doncha know.
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| User: "Lobby Dosser" |
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03 Jul 2006 08:36:54 PM |
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Don Homuth <dhomuth1@comcast.net> wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 06:34:20 GMT, Lobby Dosser
<lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote:
Don Homuth <dhomuth1@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 22:18:00 -0400, <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Certain practices are best done in private; breast feeding being a
prime example.
Why? Historically tht wasn't the case. It simply became
unFashionable about the time that baby formula was first being
marketed.
Gee, you don't suppose ...
It was a rhetorical question on my part, but I suppose somebody needed to
know the history.
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| User: "osprey" |
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03 Jul 2006 12:37:31 PM |
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Don Homuth wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 06:34:20 GMT, Lobby Dosser
<lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote:
Don Homuth <dhomuth1@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 22:18:00 -0400, <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Certain practices are best done in private; breast feeding being a
prime example.
Why? Historically tht wasn't the case. It simply became
unFashionable about the time that baby formula was first being
marketed.
Gee, you don't suppose ...
I don't -- there's no need to suppose. One of the ways the baby
formula makers decided to open a market niche was actively to campaign
Against breast feeding, especially in the Third World.
They marketed their formula as Modern and Hygenic and Western -- and
depicted breast feeding as something archaic.
http://multinationalmonitor.org/hyper/issues/1987/04/formula.html
There were organized international boycotts against Nestle's campaign:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_boycott
Nestl=E9's perceived marketing strategy was first written about in New
Internationalist magazine in 1973 and in a booklet called The Baby
Killer published by the British non-governmental organization War On
Want in 1974. Nestl=E9 attempted to sue the publisher of a
German-language translation (Third World Action Group). After a
two-year trial, the court found in favor of Nestl=E9 and fined the group
300 Swiss francs because Nestl=E9 could not be held responsible for the
infant deaths 'in terms of criminal law'.
The widespread publicity led to the launch of the boycott in
Minneapolis, USA. In May 1978, the US Senate held a public hearing
into the promotion of breast-milk substitutes in developing countries
and joined calls for a Marketing Code. This was developed under the
auspices of the World Health Organization and UNICEF and adopted by
the World Health Assembly in 1981 as the International Code of
Marketing of Breast-milk Substitutes. The Code covers infant formula
and other milk products, foods and beverages, when marketed or
otherwise represented to be suitable as a partial or total replacement
of breast-milk. It bans the promotion of breast-milk substitutes and
gives health workers the responsibility of advising parents. It limits
manufacturing companies to the provision of scientific and factual
information to health workers and sets out labeling requirements.
In 1984, boycott coordinators met with Nestl=E9 and accepted the
company's undertaking that it would abide by the Code, but the
coordinators were not satisfied with Nestle's subsequent action and
the boycott was relaunched in 1988.
In May 1999 a ruling against Nestl=E9 was issued by the UK Advertising
Standards Authority (ASA). Nestl=E9 claimed in an anti-boycott
advertisement that it markets infant formula "ethically and
responsibly". The ASA found that Nestl=E9 could not support this nor
other claims in the face of evidence provided by the campaigning group
Baby Milk Action.
In November 2000, the European Parliament held a public hearing into
Nestl=E9's alleged malpractices. Although management told shareholders
months before that they welcomed the hearing, they refused to send a
representative. At the time, Nestl=E9 objected to a presence of an
expert witness from the United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF) and
the International Baby Food Action Network (IBFAN). Later Nestl=E9
claimed none of its 230,000 employees was available.
http://www.breastfeedingtaskforla.org/advocacy/nestle-marketing.htm
Nestle's website continues to maintain that breastfeeding is superior
for a couple of months, rather than the longer period that most
experts in neonatal nutrition support:
http://www.babymilk.nestle.com/FAQ/
It's certainly not Immoral or sexually titillating -- unless you are
Really weird!
Ah, he IS!
I have met Xtians who have objected to calling humans "mammals"
because it suggests we are part of the Animal Kingdom in the world,
and not The Lowered's Own Chosen Species. It opens the door to
evolutionist thinking, doncha know.
I have met atheist who have objected to looking for christians who can
see how creation and evolution can be applied together. The reason
that christians object to this is because the bible explains it. God
made man, with a soul. Animals, do not have a soul. It's in Genesis.
Reading it and actually asking Christians and being
objective...well...it opens the door to being open minded, doncha know.
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| User: "Josh Miles" |
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03 Jul 2006 02:02:01 PM |
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osprey wrote:
Don Homuth wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 06:34:20 GMT, Lobby Dosser
<lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote:
Don Homuth <dhomuth1@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 22:18:00 -0400, <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Certain practices are best done in private; breast feeding being a
prime example.
Why? Historically tht wasn't the case. It simply became
unFashionable about the time that baby formula was first being
marketed.
Gee, you don't suppose ...
I don't -- there's no need to suppose. One of the ways the baby
formula makers decided to open a market niche was actively to campaign
Against breast feeding, especially in the Third World.
They marketed their formula as Modern and Hygenic and Western -- and
depicted breast feeding as something archaic.
http://multinationalmonitor.org/hyper/issues/1987/04/formula.html
There were organized international boycotts against Nestle's campaign:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_boycott
Nestlé's perceived marketing strategy was first written about in New
Internationalist magazine in 1973 and in a booklet called The Baby
Killer published by the British non-governmental organization War On
Want in 1974. Nestlé attempted to sue the publisher of a
German-language translation (Third World Action Group). After a
two-year trial, the court found in favor of Nestlé and fined the group
300 Swiss francs because Nestlé could not be held responsible for the
infant deaths 'in terms of criminal law'.
The widespread publicity led to the launch of the boycott in
Minneapolis, USA. In May 1978, the US Senate held a public hearing
into the promotion of breast-milk substitutes in developing countries
and joined calls for a Marketing Code. This was developed under the
auspices of the World Health Organization and UNICEF and adopted by
the World Health Assembly in 1981 as the International Code of
Marketing of Breast-milk Substitutes. The Code covers infant formula
and other milk products, foods and beverages, when marketed or
otherwise represented to be suitable as a partial or total replacement
of breast-milk. It bans the promotion of breast-milk substitutes and
gives health workers the responsibility of advising parents. It limits
manufacturing companies to the provision of scientific and factual
information to health workers and sets out labeling requirements.
In 1984, boycott coordinators met with Nestlé and accepted the
company's undertaking that it would abide by the Code, but the
coordinators were not satisfied with Nestle's subsequent action and
the boycott was relaunched in 1988.
In May 1999 a ruling against Nestlé was issued by the UK Advertising
Standards Authority (ASA). Nestlé claimed in an anti-boycott
advertisement that it markets infant formula "ethically and
responsibly". The ASA found that Nestlé could not support this nor
other claims in the face of evidence provided by the campaigning group
Baby Milk Action.
In November 2000, the European Parliament held a public hearing into
Nestlé's alleged malpractices. Although management told shareholders
months before that they welcomed the hearing, they refused to send a
representative. At the time, Nestlé objected to a presence of an
expert witness from the United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF) and
the International Baby Food Action Network (IBFAN). Later Nestlé
claimed none of its 230,000 employees was available.
http://www.breastfeedingtaskforla.org/advocacy/nestle-marketing.htm
Nestle's website continues to maintain that breastfeeding is superior
for a couple of months, rather than the longer period that most
experts in neonatal nutrition support:
http://www.babymilk.nestle.com/FAQ/
It's certainly not Immoral or sexually titillating -- unless you are
Really weird!
Ah, he IS!
I have met Xtians who have objected to calling humans "mammals"
because it suggests we are part of the Animal Kingdom in the world,
and not The Lowered's Own Chosen Species. It opens the door to
evolutionist thinking, doncha know.
I have met atheist who have objected to looking for christians who can
see how creation and evolution can be applied together.
Religion has no place in science.
The reason that christians object to this is because the bible explains it. God
made man, with a soul. Animals, do not have a soul. It's in Genesis.
Not all Christians read the Bible literally. It's stupid and childish to
see those stories as anything other than myths. They're not meant to be
read literally. It's all allegorical and metaphorical.
Reading it and actually asking Christians and being
objective...well...it opens the door to being open minded, doncha know.
I couldn't care less about your religious beliefs. Science doesn't give
a ***** either.
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| User: "osprey" |
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03 Jul 2006 04:54:20 PM |
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Josh Miles wrote:
osprey wrote:
Don Homuth wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 06:34:20 GMT, Lobby Dosser
<lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote:
Don Homuth <dhomuth1@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 22:18:00 -0400, <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Certain practices are best done in private; breast feeding being a
prime example.
Why? Historically tht wasn't the case. It simply became
unFashionable about the time that baby formula was first being
marketed.
Gee, you don't suppose ...
I don't -- there's no need to suppose. One of the ways the baby
formula makers decided to open a market niche was actively to campaign
Against breast feeding, especially in the Third World.
They marketed their formula as Modern and Hygenic and Western -- and
depicted breast feeding as something archaic.
http://multinationalmonitor.org/hyper/issues/1987/04/formula.html
There were organized international boycotts against Nestle's campaign:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_boycott
Nestl=E9's perceived marketing strategy was first written about in New
Internationalist magazine in 1973 and in a booklet called The Baby
Killer published by the British non-governmental organization War On
Want in 1974. Nestl=E9 attempted to sue the publisher of a
German-language translation (Third World Action Group). After a
two-year trial, the court found in favor of Nestl=E9 and fined the gro=
up
300 Swiss francs because Nestl=E9 could not be held responsible for the
infant deaths 'in terms of criminal law'.
The widespread publicity led to the launch of the boycott in
Minneapolis, USA. In May 1978, the US Senate held a public hearing
into the promotion of breast-milk substitutes in developing countries
and joined calls for a Marketing Code. This was developed under the
auspices of the World Health Organization and UNICEF and adopted by
the World Health Assembly in 1981 as the International Code of
Marketing of Breast-milk Substitutes. The Code covers infant formula
and other milk products, foods and beverages, when marketed or
otherwise represented to be suitable as a partial or total replacement
of breast-milk. It bans the promotion of breast-milk substitutes and
gives health workers the responsibility of advising parents. It limits
manufacturing companies to the provision of scientific and factual
information to health workers and sets out labeling requirements.
In 1984, boycott coordinators met with Nestl=E9 and accepted the
company's undertaking that it would abide by the Code, but the
coordinators were not satisfied with Nestle's subsequent action and
the boycott was relaunched in 1988.
In May 1999 a ruling against Nestl=E9 was issued by the UK Advertising
Standards Authority (ASA). Nestl=E9 claimed in an anti-boycott
advertisement that it markets infant formula "ethically and
responsibly". The ASA found that Nestl=E9 could not support this nor
other claims in the face of evidence provided by the campaigning group
Baby Milk Action.
In November 2000, the European Parliament held a public hearing into
Nestl=E9's alleged malpractices. Although management told shareholders
months before that they welcomed the hearing, they refused to send a
representative. At the time, Nestl=E9 objected to a presence of an
expert witness from the United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF) and
the International Baby Food Action Network (IBFAN). Later Nestl=E9
claimed none of its 230,000 employees was available.
http://www.breastfeedingtaskforla.org/advocacy/nestle-marketing.htm
Nestle's website continues to maintain that breastfeeding is superior
for a couple of months, rather than the longer period that most
experts in neonatal nutrition support:
http://www.babymilk.nestle.com/FAQ/
It's certainly not Immoral or sexually titillating -- unless you are
Really weird!
Ah, he IS!
I have met Xtians who have objected to calling humans "mammals"
because it suggests we are part of the Animal Kingdom in the world,
and not The Lowered's Own Chosen Species. It opens the door to
evolutionist thinking, doncha know.
I have met atheist who have objected to looking for christians who can
see how creation and evolution can be applied together.
Religion has no place in science.
All things, ideas, and concepts have a place in science. If you are
that closed minded, don't get involved in science.
The reason that christians object to this is because the bible explains=
it. God
made man, with a soul. Animals, do not have a soul. It's in Genesis.
Not all Christians read the Bible literally. It's stupid and childish to
see those stories as anything other than myths.
That's your opinion and many don't share it. So keep your opinion, I
will keep mine.
They're not meant to be
read literally. It's all allegorical and metaphorical.
I agree, that much of the bible is symbolism; however, that does NOT
mean that we don't have a creator. Who or what that creator might be
is the question.
Reading it and actually asking Christians and being
objective...well...it opens the door to being open minded, doncha know.
I couldn't care less about your religious beliefs.
Then you didn't have to respond if you couldn't care less.
Science doesn't give
a ***** either.
You are dangerous if you are that closed minded and involved in
science.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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03 Jul 2006 10:22:19 PM |
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osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Josh Miles wrote:
Religion has no place in science.
All things, ideas, and concepts have a place in science.
Nobody should believe in any religion unless it's been demonstrated
to have scientific validity?
If you are
that closed minded, don't get involved in science.
You know nothing about science, moron.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Josh Miles" |
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05 Jul 2006 10:18:07 AM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Josh Miles wrote:
For some reason this particular post of osprey's isn't showing up on my
newsreader.
Religion has no place in science.
All things, ideas, and concepts have a place in science.
Wrong, osprey. Science deals *only* with the natural world. Therefore
spiritual and supernatural ideas don't belong in science.
Nobody should believe in any religion unless it's been demonstrated
to have scientific validity?
Osprey's caught in a trap now!
If you are that closed minded, don't get involved in science.
Sorry, osprey, I already am.
You know nothing about science, moron.
Yes, like all fundies, osprey is anti-science and desperately wants to
go back to the 14th century.
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| User: "Eris" |
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02 Jul 2006 10:09:02 PM |
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On Sun, 02 Jul 2006 19:34:45 -0700, Don Homuth <dhomuth1@comcast.net>
wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 22:18:00 -0400, <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Certain practices are best done in private; breast feeding being a prime
example.
Why? Historically tht wasn't the case. It simply became
unFashionable about the time that baby formula was first being
marketed.
It's certainly not Immoral or sexually titillating -- unless you are
Really weird!
The Jesus freaks decided the breast was obscene along with their
buddies the mullahs.
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| User: "osprey" |
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03 Jul 2006 12:45:24 AM |
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Eris wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jul 2006 19:34:45 -0700, Don Homuth <dhomuth1@comcast.net>
wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 22:18:00 -0400, <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Certain practices are best done in private; breast feeding being a prime
example.
Why? Historically tht wasn't the case. It simply became
unFashionable about the time that baby formula was first being
marketed.
It's certainly not Immoral or sexually titillating -- unless you are
Really weird!
The Jesus freaks decided the breast was obscene along with their
buddies the mullahs.
When you say Jesus freaks, who are you refering to? Are you refering
to anyone who believes in God?
If so, I know a LOT of people who believe in God and don't think the
breast is obscene at all, and I know many that don't mind a woman
breast feeding in public because it's a perfectly natural part of life.
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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03 Jul 2006 09:43:08 AM |
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In article <1151905524.485862.288600@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Eris wrote:
The Jesus freaks decided the breast was obscene along with their
buddies the mullahs.
When you say Jesus freaks, who are you refering to? Are you refering
to anyone who believes in God?
what was the name of that school you claimed awarded you a degree?
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| User: "Eris" |
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03 Jul 2006 04:46:15 PM |
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On 2 Jul 2006 22:45:24 -0700, "osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Eris wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jul 2006 19:34:45 -0700, Don Homuth <dhomuth1@comcast.net>
wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 22:18:00 -0400, <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Certain practices are best done in private; breast feeding being a prime
example.
Why? Historically tht wasn't the case. It simply became
unFashionable about the time that baby formula was first being
marketed.
It's certainly not Immoral or sexually titillating -- unless you are
Really weird!
The Jesus freaks decided the breast was obscene along with their
buddies the mullahs.
When you say Jesus freaks, who are you refering to? Are you refering
to anyone who believes in God?
If so, I know a LOT of people who believe in God and don't think the
breast is obscene at all, and I know many that don't mind a woman
breast feeding in public because it's a perfectly natural part of life.
No I am referring to the 16 percent of the followers of any religion
who are essentially anti sexual, be because they don't like sex or
that they find morality an easy way of controlling others.
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| User: "Curt" |
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| Title: Re: Nursing mothers target Victoria's Secret |
04 Jul 2006 07:12:29 AM |
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"Eris" <vithant@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
news:gs3ja2d1sgfk7rb3vb9f1er7bhofpn0m08@4ax.com...
On 2 Jul 2006 22:45:24 -0700, "osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Eris wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jul 2006 19:34:45 -0700, Don Homuth <dhomuth1@comcast.net>
wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 22:18:00 -0400, <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Certain practices are best done in private; breast feeding being a
prime
example.
Why? Historically tht wasn't the case. It simply became
unFashionable about the time that baby formula was first being
marketed.
It's certainly not Immoral or sexually titillating -- unless you are
Really weird!
The Jesus freaks decided the breast was obscene along with their
buddies the mullahs.
When you say Jesus freaks, who are you refering to? Are you refering
to anyone who believes in God?
If so, I know a LOT of people who believe in God and don't think the
breast is obscene at all, and I know many that don't mind a woman
breast feeding in public because it's a perfectly natural part of life.
No I am referring to the 16 percent of the followers of any religion
who are essentially anti sexual, be because they don't like sex or
that they find morality an easy way of controlling others.
Oh, they like sex.
They just don't like it when other people have more than they do. Or better.
Curt
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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03 Jul 2006 01:02:55 AM |
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osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Eris wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jul 2006 19:34:45 -0700, Don Homuth <dhomuth1@comcast.net>
wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 22:18:00 -0400, <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Certain practices are best done in private; breast feeding being a prime
example.
Why? Historically tht wasn't the case. It simply became
unFashionable about the time that baby formula was first being
marketed.
It's certainly not Immoral or sexually titillating -- unless you are
Really weird!
The Jesus freaks decided the breast was obscene along with their
buddies the mullahs.
When you say Jesus freaks, who are you refering to? Are you refering
to anyone who believes in God?
How do you manage to be so stupid and still use a computer?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "osprey" |
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03 Jul 2006 01:08:20 AM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Eris wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jul 2006 19:34:45 -0700, Don Homuth <dhomuth1@comcast.net>
wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 22:18:00 -0400, <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Certain practices are best done in private; breast feeding being a prime
example.
Why? Historically tht wasn't the case. It simply became
unFashionable about the time that baby formula was first being
marketed.
It's certainly not Immoral or sexually titillating -- unless you are
Really weird!
The Jesus freaks decided the breast was obscene along with their
buddies the mullahs.
When you say Jesus freaks, who are you refering to? Are you refering
to anyone who believes in God?
How do you manage to be so stupid and still use a computer?
How do you manage to be so stupid and breathe??? I bet you need help
tying your shoes.
Now, if you don't mind I would like to hear what Eris has to say in
regards to my question.
Is there anyone at all that you get along with in life?
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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03 Jul 2006 09:44:24 AM |
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In article <1151906900.726348.7680@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
The Jesus freaks decided the breast was obscene along with their
buddies the mullahs.
When you say Jesus freaks, who are you refering to? Are you refering
to anyone who believes in God?
How do you manage to be so stupid and still use a computer?
How do you manage to be so stupid and breathe???
thank you for validating his comment about you. *smirk*
what was the name of that school you claimed awarded you, a cultural
illiterate, a degree?
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