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"J Young" |
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23 Dec 2007 12:07:34 AM |
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NY man guilty in death of white teen |
In the interest of justice, I have been following this case. The verdict is
an outrage. The defendant should have been found GUILTY of murder and
sentenced to a term of life without parole.
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/ap/article.html?mi=D8TMTR880&apc=9009
A jury Saturday convicted a black man of killing a white teen during a
racially charged confrontation outside the man's home despite his claims
that he feared a lynch mob had come to attack his family.
Jurors found John White, 54, guilty of second-degree manslaughter in the
death of Daniel Cicciaro. White faces a prison term of five to 15 years. He
was allowed to remain free on bail until sentencing.
Defense attorney Fred Brewington said White planned to appeal and called the
verdict "disappointing for African-Americans" in the area, a predominantly
white community on eastern Long Island.
"You have to survive in Suffolk County, where people can roll up on your
house at 11:30 at night, threaten you, threaten your family, curse at you,
call you a (N-word), and you've got to take it," he said.
The victim's mother, Joanne, said the verdict showed that her son "is
finally vindicated."
"The truth prevailed. ... It was never about race. It was about individuals
and individuals' actions," she said.
Outside the courtroom, the family's supporters chanted "Dan-O! Dan-O!" and
they honked their horns as they drove away.
The ruling came on the fourth day of deliberations following an emotional
three-week trial that attracted national attention after his defense
attorneys invoked the nation's violent racist past in arguing the shooting
was justified.
White had testified he grew up hearing stories from family members about how
the Ku Klux Klan torched his grandfather's business in Alabama in the 1920s
and feared a similar attack was about to happen.
White testified during the trial that he was trying to protect his family on
Aug. 9, 2006 when he brandished a gun after a group of teenagers turned up
at his house late at night to fight his son.
White admitted on the witness stand that he shot Cicciaro, but that the
pistol went off accidentally as Cicciaro grabbed for it. Cicciaro, 17, had a
blood-alcohol reading above the legal limit for driving.
Prosecutor James Chalifoux said White should have simply locked the door and
called police - and not gone outside to confront the teenagers with a gun.
He sought to downplay the racial element, telling jurors the Brooklyn-raised
White never said anything about a lynch mob until the case went to trial,
and noted that the Klan attack on his grandfather occurred 30 years before
he was born.
The confrontation came after his 19-year-old son, Aaron, was asked to leave
a beer bash at a friend's house. A female guest had complained about a bogus
MySpace posting claiming Aaron White wanted to rape her.
He denied making the threat but left the party. Cicciaro and his friends
then called the teenager on his cell phone to continue the dispute,
allegedly making threats that culminated when they arrived at the White home
shortly after 11 p.m.
White also was convicted of a weapons possession misdemeanor that carries a
penalty of two to seven years in prison, which would likely run concurrently
with the other sentence.
--
J Young
jyoungvisions@aol.com
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| User: "John D. Wentzky" |
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| Title: Re: NY man guilty in death of white teen |
23 Dec 2007 10:19:03 AM |
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"J Young" <jyoungvisions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1ghjnr.ovq.19.1@news.alt.net...
In the interest of justice, I have been following this case. The verdict
is an outrage. The defendant should have been found GUILTY of murder and
sentenced to a term of life without parole.
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/ap/article.html?mi=D8TMTR880&apc=9009
A jury Saturday convicted a black man of killing a white teen during a
racially charged confrontation outside the man's home despite his claims
that he feared a lynch mob had come to attack his family.
Would be nice to know more particulars of this case.
Outside the man's home.....hmmm.
Now, that, in itself is no reason to kill someone, then later on the story
suggests aggravating circumstances.
Jurors found John White, 54, guilty of second-degree manslaughter in the
death of Daniel Cicciaro. White faces a prison term of five to 15 years.
He was allowed to remain free on bail until sentencing.
Defense attorney Fred Brewington said White planned to appeal and called
the verdict "disappointing for African-Americans" in the area, a
predominantly white community on eastern Long Island.
The races are of no consequence to the law.
"You have to survive in Suffolk County, where people can roll up on your
house at 11:30 at night, threaten you, threaten your family, curse at you,
call you a (N-word), and you've got to take it," he said.
Hmm. 11:30 p.m. at the scene of the altercation.
N-word, cursing is protected speech.
Threats are a form of speech, too; but, depending on tjhe message, how would
the threatened person react?
The victim's mother, Joanne, said the verdict showed that her son "is
finally vindicated."
Could be true.
"The truth prevailed. ... It was never about race. It was about
individuals and individuals' actions," she said.
Nice statement.
Outside the courtroom, the family's supporters chanted "Dan-O! Dan-O!" and
they honked their horns as they drove away.
The ruling came on the fourth day of deliberations following an emotional
three-week trial that attracted national attention after his defense
attorneys invoked the nation's violent racist past in arguing the shooting
was justified.
Nations' violent racist past is of no relevance to the law.
White had testified he grew up hearing stories from family members about
how the Ku Klux Klan torched his grandfather's business in Alabama in the
1920s and feared a similar attack was about to happen.
Age old tales caused this event?
White testified during the trial that he was trying to protect his family
on Aug. 9, 2006 when he brandished a gun after a group of teenagers turned
up at his house late at night to fight his son.
Seems like a property rights issue in that part.
White admitted on the witness stand that he shot Cicciaro, but that the
pistol went off accidentally as Cicciaro grabbed for it. Cicciaro, 17, had
a blood-alcohol reading above the legal limit for driving.
Hmm.
Prosecuted a man for allegedly protecting himself and his family on his own
property after the 'italian' grabbed for the property owner's gun?
Prosecutor James Chalifoux said White should have simply locked the door
and called police
To which the people said, "***** you, you criminal *****. The Constitution
grants the people the right to bear arms, you tax leech puffed up hypocrite.
We expect you to wait on the 911 system and some cops if this happens to
you. Oh, but you're a judge who gets that piece of ***** gun toter privielege
because you think you can make the rules when the rules were already made.
Got a brain yet?"
- and not gone outside to confront the teenagers with a gun.
Why?
People have proeprty rights.
It is called eminent domain.
He sought to downplay the racial element, telling jurors the
Brooklyn-raised White never said anything about a lynch mob until the case
went to trial,
Of course he would being a tax leech brown noser who is working for
incarceration dollars.
and noted that the Klan attack on his grandfather occurred 30 years before
he was born.
True.
Racism shouldn't be the cause or much of a consideration in this case.
The confrontation came after his 19-year-old son, Aaron, was asked to
leave a beer bash at a friend's house. A female guest had complained about
a bogus MySpace posting claiming Aaron White wanted to rape her.
Oh. So someone was bearing false witness about Aaron?
Not surprising knowing how full of ***** ***** mongrel assholes are.
But, is this part true?
He denied making the threat but left the party.
Understandable.
Cicciaro and his friends then called the teenager on his cell phone to
continue the dispute,
Ok. Does this mean they didn't let bygones be bygones and took the bait hook
line and sinker?
I wonder why the judge didn't tell Cicciaro's family that the boys shoulda
called the cops?
Huh?
allegedly making threats that culminated when they arrived at the White
home shortly after 11 p.m.
Oh, well.
White also was convicted of a weapons possession misdemeanor that carries
a penalty of two to seven years in prison, which would likely run
concurrently with the other sentence.
A property owner's right to bear arms is a crime now in the USA?
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| User: "Virgil" |
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| Title: Re: NY man guilty in death of white teen |
23 Dec 2007 10:53:07 AM |
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In article <TTvbj.48848$L%6.12667@bignews3.bellsouth.net>,
"John D. Wentzky" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote:
People have proeprty rights.
It is called eminent domain.
"Eminent Domain" is the power of a government to override individual's
property rights.
So that JDW, has, as usual, things exactly backwards.
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| User: "bc_nv" |
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| Title: Re: NY man guilty in death of white teen |
23 Dec 2007 08:09:11 AM |
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"J Young" <jyoungvisions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1ghjnr.ovq.19.1@news.alt.net...
In the interest of justice, I have been following this case. The verdict
is an outrage. The defendant should have been found GUILTY of murder and
sentenced to a term of life without parole.
Ok Judge Dredd, whatever you say.
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| User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" |
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| Title: Re: NY man guilty in death of white teen |
23 Dec 2007 12:30:20 AM |
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Gay Young:
In the interest of racist hatred, I have been following this case.
Mistake in OP corrected for everyone's convenience.
We know you nazi scum. Or morontheist, whatever hurts more. None of the two
is "better" than the other anyway.
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
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| User: "LC" |
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| Title: Re: NY man guilty in death of white teen |
23 Dec 2007 11:55:35 AM |
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New nym, old kook "J Baker" <bigf@*****.com>, posting as "J Young"
<jyoungvisions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1ghjnr.ovq.19.1@news.alt.net...
In the interest of my racist worldview, I have been following this case.
Yes, we know, "J":
"Fortunately America, with the exception of the jews and niggers, are not a
nation of pigs."
From: "J Baker" <bigf@*****.com>
Newsgroups: seattle.politics
Subject: Re: How to catch a wild pig
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 00:18:20 -0500
Message-ID: <1f4mfa.u2b.17.1@news.alt.net>
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: NY man guilty in death of white teen |
23 Dec 2007 04:26:23 AM |
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On 23 Dez., 07:07, "J Young" <jyoungvisi...@aol.com> wrote:
In the interest of justice, I have been following this case. The verdict i=
s
an outrage. The defendant should have been found GUILTY of murder and
sentenced to a term of life without parole.
***** you, nazi turd.
You've never showed ANY interest in justice as your daily postings
show.
The only thing you've ever followed is your own hate-agenda.
Do you seriously think that anyone at alt.atheism believes you?
What's your purpose in life, J Young? Do you hate yourself *that* much
that all you EVER post is evil, racist, bigoted and intolerant because
you're incapable of one decent idea?
Any idea how pathetic you are?
How long do you plan to do this?
Actually, is this how you plan to live the rest of your life? You must
really be one sad and pathetic person... I pity your parents...
=A0http://www.theconservativevoice.com/ap/article.html?mi=3DD8TMTR880&apc=
=3D...
Use serious sources, sack-of-***** *****, if you want to be taken
seriously.
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| User: "Wexford" |
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| Title: Re: NY man guilty in death of white teen |
23 Dec 2007 11:13:32 AM |
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On Dec 23, 1:07=A0am, "J Young" <jyoungvisi...@aol.com> wrote:
In the interest of justice, I have been following this case. The verdict i=
s
an outrage. The defendant should have been found GUILTY of murder and
sentenced to a term of life without parole.
=A0http://www.theconservativevoice.com/ap/article.html?mi=3DD8TMTR880&apc=
=3D...
A jury Saturday convicted a black man of killing a white teen during a
racially charged confrontation outside the man's home despite his claims
that he feared a lynch mob had come to attack his family.
Jurors found John White, 54, guilty of second-degree manslaughter in the
death of Daniel Cicciaro. White faces a prison term of five to 15 years. H=
e
was allowed to remain free on bail until sentencing.
I read about this case, and saw it mentioned on television. White was
found guilty because he lived on Long Island. Had he lived in Texas or
Lousiana, I doubt the jury would have returned a guilty verdict. The
white kids who threatened him were "outraged" because White's teenage
son supposedly posted a threat to rape a white girl on his MySpace
page. They chased White's son out of a party, then later went to
White's house, pulled in the driveway and started shouting racial
slurs and threats at White. White should have called the police.
Instead, he confronted the yound men (six of them) and tried to get
them to leave. They threatened him, called him names and threatened
his son, so he shot one of them. White claimed the gun just "went
off." In all likelihood he pulled the trigger in his excitement
without thinking.
Long Island is no haven of racial harmony. White kids bully black kids
and black kids bully white ones. Long Islanders (I worked there for
two years) seem to me to have just the right combination of
bullheadedness, agggression and stupidity to cause events like this.
It's part of the culture of the place. In any event, had I been on the
jury, I don't think I would have put White away for 5 to 15 years.
These young men were on his property threatening him. He should have
called the police, but I don't think it was unreasonable that he tried
to chase them away. Any gang who invades another's home, even if it's
just the driveway, shouting threats, should anticipate deadly
resistance.
Compare this case to the white man in Texas who killed two men
burglarizing his neighbor's home. The "Conservatives" have hailed him
as a hero. White, who was defending his home and family, has the
misfortune of being black. No NRA screaming for his release, no
Conservatives crying in their towels for him. It's off to prison for 5
- 15 years.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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23 Dec 2007 07:21:51 AM |
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On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 01:07:34 -0500, J Young wrote:
In the interest of justice, I have been following this case.
No you haven't. You've been following it to find some racial axe to
grind...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"You know, I'd get it if people were just looking for a
way to fill the holes. But they want the holes. They wanna
live in the holes. And they go nuts when someone else
pours dirt in their holes.
"Climb out of your holes people!"
- Dr. House, on faith
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| User: "John D. Wentzky" |
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23 Dec 2007 10:21:07 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
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On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 01:07:34 -0500, J Young wrote:
In the interest of justice, I have been following this case.
No you haven't. You've been following it to find some racial axe to
grind...
Racism isn't the issue, imo; and, even it contributed to this event, it
still isn't qualified in law to be used to judge the case.
I hate racism in this society.
Why can't they judge it without talking about racial overtones?
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