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"J Young" |
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20 Sep 2005 09:11:33 AM |
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NYC Police Shut Down Cindy Sheehan Speech |
It's about time someone silenced this whining *****.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/20/AR2005092000521.html
NYC Police Shut Down Cindy Sheehan Speech
NEW YORK -- Police cut short a speech by anti-war activist Cindy
Sheehan and arrested a rally organizer, saying he hadn't obtained a
permit for use of a loudspeaker
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: NYC Police Shut Down Cindy Sheehan Speech |
20 Sep 2005 06:01:59 PM |
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On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 18:05:01 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On 20 Sep 2005 09:21:25 -0700, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1127233285.440956.80830@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> wrote:
brutus wrote:
Maybe he just hates whining... :)
Brutus
Thankyou. I can't fathom how a woman who just lost her son, and who's
mother has one foot in the grave, can find all this time to travel,
have meetings, collect money, and attend rallies. Maybe she should
spend a few days at home and grieve with some quiet dignity.
Especially since her son signed up voluntarily. He was not drafted
and was hired and trained to do exactly what he was killed in the
process of doing. It was part of the agreement that he would go where
he was told to go and do what he was told to do. There are detailed
and exact procedures in the Uniform Code of Military Justice which
provides for anyone who feels he is given an unlawful order. These
procedures are told to every recruit as a vital and necessary part of
their basic training.
And after he died it became clear it was all for a package of lies.
She has every right to be pissed.
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"Should any political party attempt to abolish
social security, unemployment insurance, and
eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would
not hear of that party again in our political
history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course,
that believes you can do these things. Among them
are [a] few other Texas oil millionaires, and an
occasional politician or business man from other
areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid."
- President Dwight D. Eisenhower, 11/8/54
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| User: "Louise Mallard" |
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| Title: Re: NYC Police Shut Down Cindy Sheehan Speech |
20 Sep 2005 09:19:25 PM |
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On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 18:05:01 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On 20 Sep 2005 09:21:25 -0700, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1127233285.440956.80830@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> wrote:
brutus wrote:
Maybe he just hates whining... :)
Brutus
Thankyou. I can't fathom how a woman who just lost her son, and who's
mother has one foot in the grave, can find all this time to travel,
have meetings, collect money, and attend rallies. Maybe she should
spend a few days at home and grieve with some quiet dignity.
Especially since her son signed up voluntarily. He was not drafted
and was hired and trained to do exactly what he was killed in the
process of doing. It was part of the agreement that he would go where
he was told to go and do what he was told to do. There are detailed
and exact procedures in the Uniform Code of Military Justice which
provides for anyone who feels he is given an unlawful order. These
procedures are told to every recruit as a vital and necessary part of
their basic training.
Are you always this devoid of compassion? Jesus.
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: NYC Police Shut Down Cindy Sheehan Speech |
20 Sep 2005 10:58:52 PM |
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On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:19:25 -0400, Louise Mallard
<louisemallard@journalist.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<rog1j1dndqssj7kfpk7gus1d9cfpuqlchc@4ax.com> wrote:
On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 18:05:01 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On 20 Sep 2005 09:21:25 -0700, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1127233285.440956.80830@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> wrote:
brutus wrote:
Maybe he just hates whining... :)
Brutus
Thankyou. I can't fathom how a woman who just lost her son, and who's
mother has one foot in the grave, can find all this time to travel,
have meetings, collect money, and attend rallies. Maybe she should
spend a few days at home and grieve with some quiet dignity.
Especially since her son signed up voluntarily. He was not drafted
and was hired and trained to do exactly what he was killed in the
process of doing. It was part of the agreement that he would go where
he was told to go and do what he was told to do. There are detailed
and exact procedures in the Uniform Code of Military Justice which
provides for anyone who feels he is given an unlawful order. These
procedures are told to every recruit as a vital and necessary part of
their basic training.
Are you always this devoid of compassion? Jesus.
I simply observe facts. The only reason the military exists is to do
exactly what they are doing and to do it at the orders of their
superiors, who answer to the governing civilian authorities.
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| User: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" |
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| Title: Re: NYC Police Shut Down Cindy Sheehan Speech |
20 Sep 2005 11:37:59 PM |
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All you do is observe because you are a coward and a weakling.
"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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: I simply observe facts. The only reason the military exists is to do
: exactly what they are doing and to do it at the orders of their
: superiors, who answer to the governing civilian authorities.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: NYC Police Shut Down Cindy Sheehan Speech |
21 Sep 2005 06:56:46 AM |
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On 21-Sep-2005, "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote:
All you do is observe because you are a coward and a weakling.
And he's been known to lie about what he supposedly observes
(eg, Israel) so that makes him *useless*.
Susan
"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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: I simply observe facts. The only reason the military exists is to do
: exactly what they are doing and to do it at the orders of their
: superiors, who answer to the governing civilian authorities.
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| User: "Attila" |
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21 Sep 2005 12:03:28 AM |
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On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:37:59 -0400, "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton"
<riain@zion.org.il> in alt.abortion with message-id
<eq5Ye.5002$_55.3560@bignews6.bellsouth.net> wrote:
"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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: I simply observe facts. The only reason the military exists is to do
: exactly what they are doing and to do it at the orders of their
: superiors, who answer to the governing civilian authorities.
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I have observed two things:
1. You have no facts and can only engage in personal attacks
2. You are still an illiterate top posting moron.
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| User: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" |
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21 Sep 2005 12:11:40 AM |
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Yes you are a self-righteous arrogant hypocrite.
Too bad your mother didn't abort you.
"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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: On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:37:59 -0400, "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton"
: <riain@zion.org.il> in alt.abortion with message-id
: <eq5Ye.5002$_55.3560@bignews6.bellsouth.net> wrote:
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: >"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
: >news:kgm1j1tob5f5skni8jgqn7tdvn5lm8llpt@4ax.com...
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: >: I simply observe facts. The only reason the military exists is to
do
: >: exactly what they are doing and to do it at the orders of their
: >: superiors, who answer to the governing civilian authorities.
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: I have observed two things:
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: 1. You have no facts and can only engage in personal attacks
: 2. You are still an illiterate top posting moron.
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: NYC Police Shut Down Cindy Sheehan Speech |
21 Sep 2005 06:56:05 AM |
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On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 01:11:40 -0400, "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton"
<riain@zion.org.il> in alt.abortion with message-id
<HV5Ye.5021$_55.4905@bignews6.bellsouth.net> wrote:
"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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: On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:37:59 -0400, "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton"
: <riain@zion.org.il> in alt.abortion with message-id
: <eq5Ye.5002$_55.3560@bignews6.bellsouth.net> wrote:
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: >"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
: >news:kgm1j1tob5f5skni8jgqn7tdvn5lm8llpt@4ax.com...
: >:
: >: I simply observe facts. The only reason the military exists is to
do
: >: exactly what they are doing and to do it at the orders of their
: >: superiors, who answer to the governing civilian authorities.
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: I have observed two things:
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: 1. You have no facts and can only engage in personal attacks
: 2. You are still an illiterate top posting moron.
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Yes you are a self-righteous arrogant hypocrite.
You are still a top posting arrogant illiterate fool, and BTW, I
simply skip all that propaganda you post. I read little to none of it
because frankly I am not interested enough to bother with any of the
details. Coming from you they are probably wrong anyway.
Too bad your mother didn't abort you.
But she didn't, so get over it.
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| User: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" |
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21 Sep 2005 02:17:26 PM |
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Proving beyond any doubt that you are a closed-minded, bigoted FOOL.
"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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: You are still a top posting arrogant illiterate fool, and BTW, I
: simply skip all that propaganda you post. I read little to none of it
: because frankly I am not interested enough to bother with any of the
: details. Coming from you they are probably wrong anyway.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: NYC Police Shut Down Cindy Sheehan Speech |
21 Sep 2005 10:04:19 AM |
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ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton <news@riain.org> wrote:
Yes you are a self-righteous arrogant hypocrite.
Who screeches in outrage at any criticism of Israel and who accuses
anybody and everybody of being anti-semites.
No, that's you who is all of that.
Too bad your mother didn't abort you.
Murderous lunatic.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "J Young" |
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21 Sep 2005 10:43:39 AM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
=F8=E9=F2=E9=EF =E1=F8=FA=E5=EF=FD/Riain Barton <news@riain.org> wrote:
Yes you are a self-righteous arrogant hypocrite.
Who screeches in outrage at any criticism of Israel and who accuses
anybody and everybody of being anti-semites.
No, that's you who is all of that.
Too bad your mother didn't abort you.
Murderous lunatic.
Hold on one minute: Has Ray Fischer just equated abortion with murder?
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| User: "Martin Smith" |
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21 Sep 2005 02:21:32 PM |
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In article <1127317419.724113.254260@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton <news@riain.org> wrote:
Yes you are a self-righteous arrogant hypocrite.
Who screeches in outrage at any criticism of Israel and who accuses
anybody and everybody of being anti-semites.
No, that's you who is all of that.
Too bad your mother didn't abort you.
Murderous lunatic.
Hold on one minute: Has Ray Fischer just equated abortion with murder?
Yes. He has. Imagine that!
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| User: "LC" |
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21 Sep 2005 12:16:54 PM |
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Slow-witted troll "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> aka "IBen Getiner"
<lappcatt@aol.com> wrote in message
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Ray Fischer wrote:
ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton <news@riain.org> wrote:
Too bad your mother didn't abort you.
Murderous lunatic.
Hold on one minute: Has Ray Fischer just equated abortion with murder?
Still willfully ignorant, eh IBen?
LC~ Another big whiff from "J".
"Well, I thought it barely conceivable that Jon/IBen/simon might have a
comeback that wasn't lamer than Jesse Ventura's sole leading role, but
unfortunately, my wild'n'wacky optimism was purely unfounded."
From: The Secretary of HomIntern <|<®וס5כ9פ9@\/\/עי|\/|.6®ף>
Message-ID: <KIlXe.220605$Hk.168583@pd7tw1no>
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| User: "Adam H." |
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20 Sep 2005 11:09:24 PM |
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On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 23:58:52 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:19:25 -0400, Louise Mallard
<louisemallard@journalist.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<rog1j1dndqssj7kfpk7gus1d9cfpuqlchc@4ax.com> wrote:
On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 18:05:01 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On 20 Sep 2005 09:21:25 -0700, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1127233285.440956.80830@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> wrote:
brutus wrote:
Maybe he just hates whining... :)
Brutus
Thankyou. I can't fathom how a woman who just lost her son, and who's
mother has one foot in the grave, can find all this time to travel,
have meetings, collect money, and attend rallies. Maybe she should
spend a few days at home and grieve with some quiet dignity.
Especially since her son signed up voluntarily. He was not drafted
and was hired and trained to do exactly what he was killed in the
process of doing. It was part of the agreement that he would go where
he was told to go and do what he was told to do. There are detailed
and exact procedures in the Uniform Code of Military Justice which
provides for anyone who feels he is given an unlawful order. These
procedures are told to every recruit as a vital and necessary part of
their basic training.
Are you always this devoid of compassion? Jesus.
I simply observe facts. The only reason the military exists is to do
exactly what they are doing and to do it at the orders of their
superiors, who answer to the governing civilian authorities.
Not quite. Members of the military are required to NOT obey orders
which are unlawful. "I was just following orders" is not a reason.
Now, as for Sheehan herself - d'you think that it's possible that her
activities are therapeutic? Perhaps this is the best way she could
honestly find to deal with the fallacies that led to her son's death?
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| User: "osprey" |
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20 Sep 2005 11:16:44 PM |
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"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 23:58:52 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:19:25 -0400, Louise Mallard
<louisemallard@journalist.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<rog1j1dndqssj7kfpk7gus1d9cfpuqlchc@4ax.com> wrote:
On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 18:05:01 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On 20 Sep 2005 09:21:25 -0700, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1127233285.440956.80830@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> wrote:
brutus wrote:
Maybe he just hates whining... :)
Brutus
Thankyou. I can't fathom how a woman who just lost her son, and who's
mother has one foot in the grave, can find all this time to travel,
have meetings, collect money, and attend rallies. Maybe she should
spend a few days at home and grieve with some quiet dignity.
Especially since her son signed up voluntarily. He was not drafted
and was hired and trained to do exactly what he was killed in the
process of doing. It was part of the agreement that he would go where
he was told to go and do what he was told to do. There are detailed
and exact procedures in the Uniform Code of Military Justice which
provides for anyone who feels he is given an unlawful order. These
procedures are told to every recruit as a vital and necessary part of
their basic training.
Are you always this devoid of compassion? Jesus.
I simply observe facts. The only reason the military exists is to do
exactly what they are doing and to do it at the orders of their
superiors, who answer to the governing civilian authorities.
Not quite. Members of the military are required to NOT obey orders
which are unlawful. "I was just following orders" is not a reason.
Now, as for Sheehan herself - d'you think that it's possible that her
activities are therapeutic? Perhaps this is the best way she could
honestly find to deal with the fallacies that led to her son's death?
I think that's probably what it is.
I got into this discussion with a good friend of mine a few weeks ago. Now,
if you think I am hard core conservative...you haven't seen anything. This
guy makes me look liberal.
We got into the discussion about Sheehan and he was bashing her. I was
actually defending her.
I told him, that just because a parent's child volunteered to go into the
service doesn't mean that the parents have lost the right to question the
reason their son or daughter may have died. I know that if that was my
child, I would certainly want to know.
So I asked him, "What are they dying for"?
His answer was, "To defend our country"
I said, "Defend our country from who"?
He said, "From what ever"
I'm serious, that was what he said. You see, many people, including myself,
are questioning what our kids are dying for. I am sure that a parent
doesn't want to hear, "Ma'am, thank you for your son's service. You will be
happy to know that he died for what ever".
Cindy may be grieving, we don't know. None of us are her. She has the
right to speak out; however, she must still follow the law.
I feel for any parent that has a child.
A lot of people don't realize, it isn't just the men and women who are
fighting making the sacrifice. The wives, husbands, mothers, and fathers
are making a sacrifice as well.
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| User: "Attila" |
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21 Sep 2005 12:01:00 AM |
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On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:09:24 -0400, Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<2vm1j1dgdr23ugo0j5lfcj1h1po28unpqq@4ax.com> wrote:
On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 23:58:52 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:19:25 -0400, Louise Mallard
<louisemallard@journalist.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<rog1j1dndqssj7kfpk7gus1d9cfpuqlchc@4ax.com> wrote:
On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 18:05:01 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On 20 Sep 2005 09:21:25 -0700, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1127233285.440956.80830@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> wrote:
brutus wrote:
Maybe he just hates whining... :)
Brutus
Thankyou. I can't fathom how a woman who just lost her son, and who's
mother has one foot in the grave, can find all this time to travel,
have meetings, collect money, and attend rallies. Maybe she should
spend a few days at home and grieve with some quiet dignity.
Especially since her son signed up voluntarily. He was not drafted
and was hired and trained to do exactly what he was killed in the
process of doing. It was part of the agreement that he would go where
he was told to go and do what he was told to do. There are detailed
and exact procedures in the Uniform Code of Military Justice which
provides for anyone who feels he is given an unlawful order. These
procedures are told to every recruit as a vital and necessary part of
their basic training.
Are you always this devoid of compassion? Jesus.
I simply observe facts. The only reason the military exists is to do
exactly what they are doing and to do it at the orders of their
superiors, who answer to the governing civilian authorities.
Not quite. Members of the military are required to NOT obey orders
which are unlawful. "I was just following orders" is not a reason.
True. And there is a prompt investigation of every case. But a
position of national policy does not involve an unlawful order.
Ordering the military to attack another country is lawful. Ordering
it to kill civilians on sight is generally unlawful. But not always.
Now, as for Sheehan herself - d'you think that it's possible that her
activities are therapeutic?
Irrelevant. Therapy is done in private and not on national news.
Perhaps this is the best way she could
honestly find to deal with the fallacies that led to her son's death?
That is her problem and not to be projected on the national scene. I
wonder if her son would agree with what she is doing?
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| User: "Adam H." |
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21 Sep 2005 07:22:31 AM |
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On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 01:01:00 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:09:24 -0400, Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<2vm1j1dgdr23ugo0j5lfcj1h1po28unpqq@4ax.com> wrote:
On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 23:58:52 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:19:25 -0400, Louise Mallard
<louisemallard@journalist.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<rog1j1dndqssj7kfpk7gus1d9cfpuqlchc@4ax.com> wrote:
On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 18:05:01 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On 20 Sep 2005 09:21:25 -0700, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1127233285.440956.80830@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> wrote:
brutus wrote:
Maybe he just hates whining... :)
Brutus
Thankyou. I can't fathom how a woman who just lost her son, and who's
mother has one foot in the grave, can find all this time to travel,
have meetings, collect money, and attend rallies. Maybe she should
spend a few days at home and grieve with some quiet dignity.
Especially since her son signed up voluntarily. He was not drafted
and was hired and trained to do exactly what he was killed in the
process of doing. It was part of the agreement that he would go where
he was told to go and do what he was told to do. There are detailed
and exact procedures in the Uniform Code of Military Justice which
provides for anyone who feels he is given an unlawful order. These
procedures are told to every recruit as a vital and necessary part of
their basic training.
Are you always this devoid of compassion? Jesus.
I simply observe facts. The only reason the military exists is to do
exactly what they are doing and to do it at the orders of their
superiors, who answer to the governing civilian authorities.
Not quite. Members of the military are required to NOT obey orders
which are unlawful. "I was just following orders" is not a reason.
True. And there is a prompt investigation of every case. But a
position of national policy does not involve an unlawful order.
Ordering the military to attack another country is lawful. Ordering
it to kill civilians on sight is generally unlawful. But not always.
Er, attacking another country CAN be unlawful. I don't know how many
soldiers would refuse, but the order to go to war can, in and of
itself, be an unlawful one (unless said country pulls out of the
treaties, etc., that make the order unlawful, of course).
Now, as for Sheehan herself - d'you think that it's possible that her
activities are therapeutic?
Irrelevant. Therapy is done in private and not on national news.
I would say that the national news media itself bears the
responsibility for the attention all this has gotten, as much as
anyone else does. You can make all the fuss you like, it still takes a
news director to put it on screen.
Perhaps this is the best way she could
honestly find to deal with the fallacies that led to her son's death?
That is her problem and not to be projected on the national scene. I
wonder if her son would agree with what she is doing?
Guess we'll never know for sure, but I suspect that she has a better
idea about that than we do.
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| User: "Attila" |
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21 Sep 2005 02:21:37 PM |
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On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:22:31 -0400, Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> in
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On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 01:01:00 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:09:24 -0400, Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> in
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On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 23:58:52 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:19:25 -0400, Louise Mallard
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On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 18:05:01 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On 20 Sep 2005 09:21:25 -0700, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> in
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brutus wrote:
Maybe he just hates whining... :)
Brutus
Thankyou. I can't fathom how a woman who just lost her son, and who's
mother has one foot in the grave, can find all this time to travel,
have meetings, collect money, and attend rallies. Maybe she should
spend a few days at home and grieve with some quiet dignity.
Especially since her son signed up voluntarily. He was not drafted
and was hired and trained to do exactly what he was killed in the
process of doing. It was part of the agreement that he would go where
he was told to go and do what he was told to do. There are detailed
and exact procedures in the Uniform Code of Military Justice which
provides for anyone who feels he is given an unlawful order. These
procedures are told to every recruit as a vital and necessary part of
their basic training.
Are you always this devoid of compassion? Jesus.
I simply observe facts. The only reason the military exists is to do
exactly what they are doing and to do it at the orders of their
superiors, who answer to the governing civilian authorities.
Not quite. Members of the military are required to NOT obey orders
which are unlawful. "I was just following orders" is not a reason.
True. And there is a prompt investigation of every case. But a
position of national policy does not involve an unlawful order.
Ordering the military to attack another country is lawful. Ordering
it to kill civilians on sight is generally unlawful. But not always.
Er, attacking another country CAN be unlawful.
Not as far as the attacking country is concerned.
I don't know how many
soldiers would refuse, but the order to go to war can, in and of
itself, be an unlawful one (unless said country pulls out of the
treaties, etc., that make the order unlawful, of course).
That depends on the country involved. In the US the President can
issue the orders. Congress must be involved at some point but under
the War Powers Act the President can make the decision and give the
order. And it is automatically legal.
Now, as for Sheehan herself - d'you think that it's possible that her
activities are therapeutic?
Irrelevant. Therapy is done in private and not on national news.
I would say that the national news media itself bears the
responsibility for the attention all this has gotten, as much as
anyone else does. You can make all the fuss you like, it still takes a
news director to put it on screen.
Which is one reason journalism is considered an unsavory profession.
Perhaps this is the best way she could
honestly find to deal with the fallacies that led to her son's death?
That is her problem and not to be projected on the national scene. I
wonder if her son would agree with what she is doing?
Guess we'll never know for sure, but I suspect that she has a better
idea about that than we do.
Frankly I could not care less what kind of idea she has about
anything. And no one can know for sure what another person would
think.
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21 Sep 2005 12:12:59 AM |
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On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 23:58:52 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
Especially since her son signed up voluntarily. He was not drafted
and was hired and trained to do exactly what he was killed in the
process of doing. It was part of the agreement that he would go where
he was told to go and do what he was told to do. There are detailed
and exact procedures in the Uniform Code of Military Justice which
provides for anyone who feels he is given an unlawful order. These
procedures are told to every recruit as a vital and necessary part of
their basic training.
Are you always this devoid of compassion? Jesus.
I simply observe facts. The only reason the military exists is to do
exactly what they are doing and to do it at the orders of their
superiors, who answer to the governing civilian authorities.
And it was the lying of the civilians authorities that got her son and
1900 others killed for lies.
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"Should any political party attempt to abolish
social security, unemployment insurance, and
eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would
not hear of that party again in our political
history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course,
that believes you can do these things. Among them
are [a] few other Texas oil millionaires, and an
occasional politician or business man from other
areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid."
- President Dwight D. Eisenhower, 11/8/54
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| User: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" |
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21 Sep 2005 12:17:33 AM |
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Now don't go and confuse Attila with the facts!
<retrogrouch@comcast.net> wrote in message
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: On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 23:58:52 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
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: And it was the lying of the civilians authorities that got her son and
: 1900 others killed for lies.
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21 Sep 2005 06:58:17 AM |
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On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:12:59 -0700, in
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<3uq1j11lefqgmc3o1f5gpclb2k852ll6hf@4ax.com> wrote:
On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 23:58:52 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
Especially since her son signed up voluntarily. He was not drafted
and was hired and trained to do exactly what he was killed in the
process of doing. It was part of the agreement that he would go where
he was told to go and do what he was told to do. There are detailed
and exact procedures in the Uniform Code of Military Justice which
provides for anyone who feels he is given an unlawful order. These
procedures are told to every recruit as a vital and necessary part of
their basic training.
Are you always this devoid of compassion? Jesus.
I simply observe facts. The only reason the military exists is to do
exactly what they are doing and to do it at the orders of their
superiors, who answer to the governing civilian authorities.
And it was the lying of the civilians authorities that got her son and
1900 others killed for lies.
That is a different issue and should be addressed outside of any
casualty figures. The current action is legal. Whether or not it
should be done is a different debate.
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| User: "Ben Kaufman" |
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21 Sep 2005 10:52:09 PM |
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On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 18:05:01 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On 20 Sep 2005 09:21:25 -0700, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1127233285.440956.80830@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> wrote:
brutus wrote:
Maybe he just hates whining... :)
Brutus
Thankyou. I can't fathom how a woman who just lost her son, and who's
mother has one foot in the grave, can find all this time to travel,
have meetings, collect money, and attend rallies. Maybe she should
spend a few days at home and grieve with some quiet dignity.
Especially since her son signed up voluntarily. He was not drafted
and was hired and trained to do exactly what he was killed in the
process of doing. It was part of the agreement that he would go where
he was told to go and do what he was told to do. There are detailed
and exact procedures in the Uniform Code of Military Justice which
provides for anyone who feels he is given an unlawful order. These
procedures are told to every recruit as a vital and necessary part of
their basic training.
Yes but get to the point about needlessly putting soldiers in harm's way.
Ben
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22 Sep 2005 07:22:30 AM |
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On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 23:52:09 -0400, Ben Kaufman
<spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-dollars@pobox.com> in alt.abortion with
message-id <3ea4j113k78ov9gtal4jvq0eev8oj0sjg0@4ax.com> wrote:
On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 18:05:01 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On 20 Sep 2005 09:21:25 -0700, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1127233285.440956.80830@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> wrote:
brutus wrote:
Maybe he just hates whining... :)
Brutus
Thankyou. I can't fathom how a woman who just lost her son, and who's
mother has one foot in the grave, can find all this time to travel,
have meetings, collect money, and attend rallies. Maybe she should
spend a few days at home and grieve with some quiet dignity.
Especially since her son signed up voluntarily. He was not drafted
and was hired and trained to do exactly what he was killed in the
process of doing. It was part of the agreement that he would go where
he was told to go and do what he was told to do. There are detailed
and exact procedures in the Uniform Code of Military Justice which
provides for anyone who feels he is given an unlawful order. These
procedures are told to every recruit as a vital and necessary part of
their basic training.
Yes but get to the point about needlessly putting soldiers in harm's way.
Not me. That is a different issue that I will leave to someone else.
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22 Sep 2005 10:34:35 AM |
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On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 08:22:30 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
Especially since her son signed up voluntarily. He was not drafted
and was hired and trained to do exactly what he was killed in the
process of doing. It was part of the agreement that he would go where
he was told to go and do what he was told to do. There are detailed
and exact procedures in the Uniform Code of Military Justice which
provides for anyone who feels he is given an unlawful order. These
procedures are told to every recruit as a vital and necessary part of
their basic training.
Yes but get to the point about needlessly putting soldiers in harm's way.
Not me. That is a different issue that I will leave to someone else.
It's okay. Cindy's got you covered.
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"Should any political party attempt to abolish
social security, unemployment insurance, and
eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would
not hear of that party again in our political
history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course,
that believes you can do these things. Among them
are [a] few other Texas oil millionaires, and an
occasional politician or business man from other
areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid."
- President Dwight D. Eisenhower, 11/8/54
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| User: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" |
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20 Sep 2005 05:35:15 PM |
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Who asked you?
Keep your gob shut you pathetic bigoted cowardly *****.
"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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: On 20 Sep 2005 09:21:25 -0700, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> in
: alt.abortion with message-id
: <1127233285.440956.80830@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> wrote:
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: >brutus wrote:
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: >> Maybe he just hates whining... :)
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: >> Brutus
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: >Thankyou. I can't fathom how a woman who just lost her son, and who's
: >mother has one foot in the grave, can find all this time to travel,
: >have meetings, collect money, and attend rallies. Maybe she should
: >spend a few days at home and grieve with some quiet dignity.
:
: Especially since her son signed up voluntarily. He was not drafted
: and was hired and trained to do exactly what he was killed in the
: process of doing. It was part of the agreement that he would go where
: he was told to go and do what he was told to do. There are detailed
: and exact procedures in the Uniform Code of Military Justice which
: provides for anyone who feels he is given an unlawful order. These
: procedures are told to every recruit as a vital and necessary part of
: their basic training.
:
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20 Sep 2005 09:09:38 PM |
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On 20-Sep-2005, "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote:
Who asked you?
Keep your gob shut you pathetic bigoted cowardly *****.
Yeah, a woman who's lost her son should NEVER campaign
to make sure other mothers don't lose theirs, right?
(Or am I misconstruing Sheehan's message?)
Susan
"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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: On 20 Sep 2005 09:21:25 -0700, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> in
: alt.abortion with message-id
: <1127233285.440956.80830@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> wrote:
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: >brutus wrote:
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: >> Maybe he just hates whining... :)
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: >> Brutus
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: >Thankyou. I can't fathom how a woman who just lost her son, and who's
: >mother has one foot in the grave, can find all this time to travel,
: >have meetings, collect money, and attend rallies. Maybe she should
: >spend a few days at home and grieve with some quiet dignity.
:
: Especially since her son signed up voluntarily. He was not drafted
: and was hired and trained to do exactly what he was killed in the
: process of doing. It was part of the agreement that he would go where
: he was told to go and do what he was told to do. There are detailed
: and exact procedures in the Uniform Code of Military Justice which
: provides for anyone who feels he is given an unlawful order. These
: procedures are told to every recruit as a vital and necessary part of
: their basic training.
:
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20 Sep 2005 10:56:07 PM |
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On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 02:09:38 GMT, in alt.abortion
with message-id <Ch3Ye.2198$Az1.1237@trnddc07> wrote:
"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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: On 20 Sep 2005 09:21:25 -0700, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> in
: alt.abortion with message-id
: <1127233285.440956.80830@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> wrote:
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: >brutus wrote:
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: >>
: >> Maybe he just hates whining... :)
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: >> Brutus
: >
: >
: >Thankyou. I can't fathom how a woman who just lost her son, and who's
: >mother has one foot in the grave, can find all this time to travel,
: >have meetings, collect money, and attend rallies. Maybe she should
: >spend a few days at home and grieve with some quiet dignity.
:
: Especially since her son signed up voluntarily. He was not drafted
: and was hired and trained to do exactly what he was killed in the
: process of doing. It was part of the agreement that he would go where
: he was told to go and do what he was told to do. There are detailed
: and exact procedures in the Uniform Code of Military Justice which
: provides for anyone who feels he is given an unlawful order. These
: procedures are told to every recruit as a vital and necessary part of
: their basic training.
:
On 20-Sep-2005, "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote:
Who asked you?
Keep your gob shut you pathetic bigoted cowardly *****.
Yeah, a woman who's lost her son should NEVER campaign
to make sure other mothers don't lose theirs, right?
(Or am I misconstruing Sheehan's message?)
Susan
I seem to have missed the part where it is a requirement that anyone
must join the armed forces, not to mention the part where if the do
voluntarily sign up to be a member and take the pay and benefits they
have the right to refuse to do what they were hired, trained, and paid
to do.
If they don't like the job they have the right to quit at the end of
every enlistment period.
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20 Sep 2005 10:52:32 PM |
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On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 18:35:15 -0400, "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton"
<riain@zion.org.il> in alt.abortion with message-id
<q60Ye.3734$_55.3193@bignews6.bellsouth.net> wrote:
"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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: On 20 Sep 2005 09:21:25 -0700, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> in
: alt.abortion with message-id
: <1127233285.440956.80830@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> wrote:
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: >brutus wrote:
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: >> Maybe he just hates whining... :)
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: >> Brutus
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: >
: >Thankyou. I can't fathom how a woman who just lost her son, and who's
: >mother has one foot in the grave, can find all this time to travel,
: >have meetings, collect money, and attend rallies. Maybe she should
: >spend a few days at home and grieve with some quiet dignity.
:
: Especially since her son signed up voluntarily. He was not drafted
: and was hired and trained to do exactly what he was killed in the
: process of doing. It was part of the agreement that he would go where
: he was told to go and do what he was told to do. There are detailed
: and exact procedures in the Uniform Code of Military Justice which
: provides for anyone who feels he is given an unlawful order. These
: procedures are told to every recruit as a vital and necessary part of
: their basic training.
:
Who asked you?
Keep your gob shut you pathetic bigoted cowardly *****.
Everyone who posts on a public newsgroup asks me and everyone else who
reads it you illiterate top posting moron.
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20 Sep 2005 11:37:19 PM |
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Oh no the bully is calling me a moron.
Can we say PROJECTION?
"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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21 Sep 2005 06:57:53 AM |
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On 21-Sep-2005, "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote:
Oh no the bully is calling me a moron.
Can we say PROJECTION?
I figure that's got to be why he keeps throwing "illiterate" at you, too.
Susan
"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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