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User: "Osprey"
Date: 15 Dec 2003 08:52:33 AM
Object: Oh yea, the ACLU is really fair.
Nice work liberals, these articles show your true colors.
http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,105744,00.html
Successfully Stopping Santa and A-Caroling We Won't Go
Monday, December 15, 2003
By Scott Norvell
The ACLU has successfully stopped Santa from visiting public schools in
Baldwin, Kan., because his presence constitutes illegal proselytizing by the
school, reports the Baldwin City Signal.
After receiving a letter of complaint from the American Civil Liberties
Union (search), the school board there voted to put a stop to the nefarious
activities and said it will re-examine how it treats all religious holidays
in the schools.
The ACLU complained that in a visit to an elementary school last year, Santa
gave out candy canes and asked the kids why Christmas is celebrated. The
kids had the nerve to pop up and answer Jesus' birthday.
Rewriting History
High school students in Florida studying World War II (search) could be
forgiven for thinking the American armed forces were happily integrated and
that people of color died in numbers equal to whites during the conflict,
reports the Palm Beach Post.
The main history textbook used by students in Palm Beach County high
schools, a Prentice Hall effort titled "A World Conflict," presents what one
World War II vet describes as a view of the conflict colored by politically
correct lenses.
The first five pages of the WWII chapter cover such topics as women in the
armed forces, racial segregation and the war, black Americans and the home
front, Japanese Americans being interned, and women and the war effort.
Some 292,000 Americans died in the conflict, almost all of them white, but
in the school texts, white male soldiers are represented far less in photos
and words than all the others.
Not the Right Kind of Victim
A student who is being harassed at Pennsylvania State University had to quit
the college after her complaints to administration officials were met with a
you're-imagining-things and a cold shoulder, reports the Daily Collegian.
Vicky Cangelosi resigned her position in student government and said she
would leave the university because she attended a controversial, off-campus,
private party. The party was controversial because it was hosted by a
College Republican leader and one of the attendees was dressed in blackface.
Matt Midles, a gay student leader, said the harassment serves Cangelosi
right.
"I'm glad that you've been given an insight to what the students who have
been targeted feel every day," he told the paper. "You're being treated the
same way that I've been treated my whole life."
A-Caroling We Won't Go
A Washington state teacher substituted the word "Christmas" with the word
"winter" in a carol to be sung at a school program so as not to appear to be
favoring one faith over another, reports the Tacoma News Tribune.
Music teacher Mark Denison of Clover Creek Elementary in Bethel, Wash.,
changed the lyrics in Dale Wood's "Carol From an Irish Cabin" to read: "The
harsh wind blows down from the mountains, and blows a white winter to me."
A Hanukkah song that includes lyrics about the "mighty miracle" of Israel's
ancient days will be included in the program, however.
Didn't They Used to Call Those .
A middle school in New York state has borrowed from the early 16th-century
German custom of bringing a tree into a building and adorning it with
decorations, reports the Oswego Daily Herald.
But it is not a Christmas tree, said teacher Debbie Smith. It is a
"diversity tree" and is decorated with ornaments celebrating the world's
cultural, ethnic and religious differences.
Repeat: It is not a Christmas tree.
Under Any Circumstances
A Philadelphia elementary school principal who spelled out a racial epithet
while lecturing pupils about what sort of words are not acceptable in school
is under investigation, reports the Philadelphia Inquirer.
District officials have not decided whether to take disciplinary action
against Mary Rita Sheldon, principal of the predominately black Overbrook
Educational Center, but they have mandated diversity training for the entire
staff as a result.
KYW News Radio reports that the principal was reprimanding a class in which
a visually impaired student was called a "one-eyed jack." Miss Sheldon
reportedly stated to the children, "How would you like it if I called you a
n-i-g-g-e-r?"
Parents are demanding that Sheldon be removed from her post. "The use of the
N-word in any context is inappropriate," said parent Carol Bangura, mother
of an eighth-grade student.
Those Enlightened French
A commission in France has recommended that Muslim students not be allowed
to wear headscarves or other "conspicuous" religious signs in school because
they violate the country's secular traditions, reports the BBC.
Such a ban, if approved by President Jacques Chirac (search), also would
outlaw Jewish kippas, or skullcaps, and large Christian crosses.
Chirac has said that France feels under attack by the display of such signs
of "religious proselytism" which run "totally contrary to its secular
tradition."
For a daily dose of politically correct shenanigans, head over to the Tongue
Tied Web site.
Mailbag:
Dennis R. corrects our Indiana Xmas tree item:
It's "Currier and Ives" not "Courier."
Joel S. writes:
If the Native American student group complaining about Michigamua "because
it sounds too much like a Native American word and is therefore
disrespectful" were to be consistent, then they ought to also object to the
very name of the University and State.
The State Library tells us: "Michigan" comes from the Indian word
"Michigama" meaning great or big lake. The French first used the word for
the Great Lake that Native Americans called the "Lake of the Illinois"--now
Lake Michigan. It was first used officially to refer to this land area when
Congress created the Territory of Michigan in 1805."
Scott W. writes:
One wonders if the Meriden Library System will now feel inclined to remove
books containing paintings of "The Last Supper", or statues of David.
Perhaps they could just tear the offending pictures out of the books, maybe
have a bonfire in the parking lot.
The question I have is this: Just where would you have a picture of Jesus in
a "non-religious' setting"? Of course! Maybe that would be Jesus Alou in the
outfield for the San Francisco Giants. Unless his name has been excised
because of religious connotations.
In the words of Lewis Carroll, "It's getting curiouser and curioser."
Helen N. in Boulder Creek, Calif., writes:
I am a Jew, and in elementary school I refused to sing songs about "Christ
the Savior" and to write an essay about the sounds of Christmas. That's
right, I asked to be excluded, rather than be forced to participate in
someone else's religion. I have never, however, felt excluded by a tree
(decorated or otherwise)!
Barbara D. in Massachusetts writes:
OK, let me get this straight: Purdue University was forced to remove a
Christmas tree because of the anguish a student suffered due to feelings of
"exclusion" upon viewing said tree. But when Sister Souljah spewed her
anti-white racist venom in a speech at the University of Louisville, an
upset student was told that "the university has a responsibility to place
people in uncomfortable situations to help them grow."
So let's get this straight: it's okay to be upset over a Christmas tree but
it's not okay to be upset over racist speech? Does that mean it's okay for a
white student to complain about, say, a Kwanza decoration but it's not okay
for a black student to be upset over an anti-black racist speech? Sure
sounds that way to me.
Nate W. in Phoenix writes:
Regarding Sister Souljah being invited to speak at University of Louisville
in Kentucky. I guess I don't mind her being paid to come in and spout her
racist bigotted message. However in the interests of fairness, perhaps they
should also invite David Duke to come in and spout his racist pap as well.
Oh, and of course they would have to pay him a similar amount of money for
his idiocy.
Erik in Dayton, Ohio, writes:
This will probably come as a shock to you, but there are actually people in
this country who do not share the same religious beliefs as you. And whether
or not you agree with it, they have the right to not be discriminated
against. Would it still be 'whining' if it were christians who were offended
by an islamic display? Maybe you should keep that in mind in your next
attempt at 'fair and balanced' reporting.
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User: "Osprey"

Title: Re: Oh yea, the ACLU is really fair. 15 Dec 2003 08:56:59 AM
"Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
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Nice work liberals, these articles show your true colors.

http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,105744,00.html



Successfully Stopping Santa and A-Caroling We Won't Go

Monday, December 15, 2003

By Scott Norvell



The ACLU has successfully stopped Santa from visiting public schools in
Baldwin, Kan., because his presence constitutes illegal proselytizing by

the

school, reports the Baldwin City Signal.

After receiving a letter of complaint from the American Civil Liberties
Union (search), the school board there voted to put a stop to the

nefarious

activities and said it will re-examine how it treats all religious

holidays

in the schools.

The ACLU complained that in a visit to an elementary school last year,

Santa

gave out candy canes and asked the kids why Christmas is celebrated. The
kids had the nerve to pop up and answer Jesus' birthday.

So take Santa away from the kids. Yea, the ACLU shows that Christmas
spirit!!!

Rewriting History

High school students in Florida studying World War II (search) could be
forgiven for thinking the American armed forces were happily integrated

and

that people of color died in numbers equal to whites during the conflict,
reports the Palm Beach Post.

The main history textbook used by students in Palm Beach County high
schools, a Prentice Hall effort titled "A World Conflict," presents what

one

World War II vet describes as a view of the conflict colored by

politically

correct lenses.

The first five pages of the WWII chapter cover such topics as women in the
armed forces, racial segregation and the war, black Americans and the home
front, Japanese Americans being interned, and women and the war effort.

Some 292,000 Americans died in the conflict, almost all of them white, but
in the school texts, white male soldiers are represented far less in

photos

and words than all the others.

Not the Right Kind of Victim

A student who is being harassed at Pennsylvania State University had to

quit

the college after her complaints to administration officials were met with

a

you're-imagining-things and a cold shoulder, reports the Daily Collegian.

Vicky Cangelosi resigned her position in student government and said she
would leave the university because she attended a controversial,

off-campus,

private party. The party was controversial because it was hosted by a
College Republican leader and one of the attendees was dressed in

blackface.


Matt Midles, a gay student leader, said the harassment serves Cangelosi
right.

"I'm glad that you've been given an insight to what the students who have
been targeted feel every day," he told the paper. "You're being treated

the

same way that I've been treated my whole life."

I thought liberals were supposed to be so kind, fair, not discriminate, lead
by example
What happened????


A-Caroling We Won't Go

A Washington state teacher substituted the word "Christmas" with the word
"winter" in a carol to be sung at a school program so as not to appear to

be

favoring one faith over another, reports the Tacoma News Tribune.

Music teacher Mark Denison of Clover Creek Elementary in Bethel, Wash.,
changed the lyrics in Dale Wood's "Carol From an Irish Cabin" to read:

"The

harsh wind blows down from the mountains, and blows a white winter to me."

A Hanukkah song that includes lyrics about the "mighty miracle" of

Israel's

ancient days will be included in the program, however.

Oh yea, attack Christianity, and say it is ok for the rest.
Good job ACLU, you are showing how fair you are.


Didn't They Used to Call Those .

A middle school in New York state has borrowed from the early 16th-century
German custom of bringing a tree into a building and adorning it with
decorations, reports the Oswego Daily Herald.

But it is not a Christmas tree, said teacher Debbie Smith. It is a
"diversity tree" and is decorated with ornaments celebrating the world's
cultural, ethnic and religious differences.

A diversity tree? Sigh, what next?


Repeat: It is not a Christmas tree.

Under Any Circumstances

A Philadelphia elementary school principal who spelled out a racial

epithet

while lecturing pupils about what sort of words are not acceptable in

school

is under investigation, reports the Philadelphia Inquirer.

District officials have not decided whether to take disciplinary action
against Mary Rita Sheldon, principal of the predominately black Overbrook
Educational Center, but they have mandated diversity training for the

entire

staff as a result.

KYW News Radio reports that the principal was reprimanding a class in

which

a visually impaired student was called a "one-eyed jack." Miss Sheldon
reportedly stated to the children, "How would you like it if I called you

a

n-i-g-g-e-r?"

Why not? I hear blacks calling themselves ***** all the time. So it is
o.k. for them to call each other that, and if anyone else says it, it is
racial???

Parents are demanding that Sheldon be removed from her post. "The use of

the

N-word in any context is inappropriate," said parent Carol Bangura, mother
of an eighth-grade student.

Those Enlightened French

A commission in France has recommended that Muslim students not be allowed
to wear headscarves or other "conspicuous" religious signs in school

because

they violate the country's secular traditions, reports the BBC.

Such a ban, if approved by President Jacques Chirac (search), also would
outlaw Jewish kippas, or skullcaps, and large Christian crosses.

Chirac has said that France feels under attack by the display of such

signs

of "religious proselytism" which run "totally contrary to its secular
tradition."

For a daily dose of politically correct shenanigans, head over to the

Tongue

Tied Web site.

Mailbag:

Dennis R. corrects our Indiana Xmas tree item:

It's "Currier and Ives" not "Courier."

Joel S. writes:

If the Native American student group complaining about Michigamua "because
it sounds too much like a Native American word and is therefore
disrespectful" were to be consistent, then they ought to also object to

the

very name of the University and State.

The State Library tells us: "Michigan" comes from the Indian word
"Michigama" meaning great or big lake. The French first used the word for
the Great Lake that Native Americans called the "Lake of the

Illinois"--now

Lake Michigan. It was first used officially to refer to this land area

when

Congress created the Territory of Michigan in 1805."

Scott W. writes:

One wonders if the Meriden Library System will now feel inclined to remove
books containing paintings of "The Last Supper", or statues of David.
Perhaps they could just tear the offending pictures out of the books,

maybe

have a bonfire in the parking lot.

The question I have is this: Just where would you have a picture of Jesus

in

a "non-religious' setting"? Of course! Maybe that would be Jesus Alou in

the

outfield for the San Francisco Giants. Unless his name has been excised
because of religious connotations.

In the words of Lewis Carroll, "It's getting curiouser and curioser."

Helen N. in Boulder Creek, Calif., writes:

I am a Jew, and in elementary school I refused to sing songs about "Christ
the Savior" and to write an essay about the sounds of Christmas. That's
right, I asked to be excluded, rather than be forced to participate in
someone else's religion. I have never, however, felt excluded by a tree
(decorated or otherwise)!

Barbara D. in Massachusetts writes:

OK, let me get this straight: Purdue University was forced to remove a
Christmas tree because of the anguish a student suffered due to feelings

of

"exclusion" upon viewing said tree. But when Sister Souljah spewed her
anti-white racist venom in a speech at the University of Louisville, an
upset student was told that "the university has a responsibility to place
people in uncomfortable situations to help them grow."

So let's get this straight: it's okay to be upset over a Christmas tree

but

it's not okay to be upset over racist speech? Does that mean it's okay for

a

white student to complain about, say, a Kwanza decoration but it's not

okay

for a black student to be upset over an anti-black racist speech? Sure
sounds that way to me.

Nate W. in Phoenix writes:

Regarding Sister Souljah being invited to speak at University of

Louisville

in Kentucky. I guess I don't mind her being paid to come in and spout her
racist bigotted message. However in the interests of fairness, perhaps

they

should also invite David Duke to come in and spout his racist pap as well.
Oh, and of course they would have to pay him a similar amount of money for
his idiocy.

Erik in Dayton, Ohio, writes:

This will probably come as a shock to you, but there are actually people

in

this country who do not share the same religious beliefs as you. And

whether

or not you agree with it, they have the right to not be discriminated
against. Would it still be 'whining' if it were christians who were

offended

by an islamic display? Maybe you should keep that in mind in your next
attempt at 'fair and balanced' reporting.



.
User: "Me"

Title: Re: Oh yea, the ACLU is really fair. 15 Dec 2003 09:29:13 AM
In article <jt-dnQQXFvmuUUCiRVn-hQ@comcast.com>,
"Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote:


I thought liberals were supposed to be so kind, fair, not discriminate, lead
by example

What happened????

We liberals respect the First Amendment. That's nothing new. The ACLU is
not seeking to deny kids access to Santa. Any shopping mall this time of
year has a Santa. The kids can go there to tell Santa about all the stuff
they hope to get for Christmas.
By the way, isn't Christmas supposed to be a celebration of the birth
of Jesus. It seems to me that many of you Christans have strayed far
from the original intent of Christmas and now use it as an excuse to
pursue more materialsm. There is no reason for a public school to have
a Santa there, schools are supposed to be teaching the kids how to read,
write, and do mathematics, not revel in a fantasy.
By the way, Christmas is my favorite holiday and I do go out and
decorate for Christmas, but I do it for the fun, not to worship some
fictional god.
.
User: "Osprey"

Title: Re: Oh yea, the ACLU is really fair. 15 Dec 2003 09:33:06 AM
"Me" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-20772E.10291315122003@comcast.ash.giganews.com...

In article <jt-dnQQXFvmuUUCiRVn-hQ@comcast.com>,
"Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote:


I thought liberals were supposed to be so kind, fair, not discriminate,

lead

by example

What happened????


We liberals respect the First Amendment. That's nothing new. The ACLU is
not seeking to deny kids access to Santa.

Naa, they just supported him not being able to go to that school.
Any shopping mall this time of

year has a Santa. The kids can go there to tell Santa about all the stuff
they hope to get for Christmas.

But we sure don't want kids smiling at school though right?
Why not tell the schools during Christmas time to take down ALL Christmas
decorations.
No Christmas parties, no songs, no trees, no gift exchanges.
Lets just kill all of Christmas


By the way, isn't Christmas supposed to be a celebration of the birth
of Jesus. It seems to me that many of you Christans have strayed far
from the original intent of Christmas and now use it as an excuse to
pursue more materialsm.

That isn't correct. Christmas has become materialized, no doubt. But don't
blame that on Christians.
There is no reason for a public school to have

a Santa there, schools are supposed to be teaching the kids how to read,
write, and do mathematics, not revel in a fantasy.

As I said, kill it!!!
And any other holiday as well.
Hey, make them go to school on Christmas, just kill the whole holiday.
Isn't that what you want?


By the way, Christmas is my favorite holiday and I do go out and
decorate for Christmas, but I do it for the fun, not to worship some
fictional god.

Don't be a hypocrite.
And one day, you may be facing that fictional God, and I hope you have some
explanations..:o)
Then again, you think you are going to be just worm food anyway.
.
User: "Me"

Title: Re: Oh yea, the ACLU is really fair. 16 Dec 2003 10:08:52 AM
In article <DbydnTn93pI3SUCiRVn-jw@comcast.com>,
"Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"Me" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-20772E.10291315122003@comcast.ash.giganews.com...

In article <jt-dnQQXFvmuUUCiRVn-hQ@comcast.com>,
"Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote:


I thought liberals were supposed to be so kind, fair, not discriminate,

lead

by example

What happened????


We liberals respect the First Amendment. That's nothing new. The ACLU is
not seeking to deny kids access to Santa.


Naa, they just supported him not being able to go to that school.

So? That's where the consitutional infraction occurred. I doubt this
will rise to a federal court, but if it does, then the ruling would
presumably apply to all public schools, nationwide.

Any shopping mall this time of

year has a Santa. The kids can go there to tell Santa about all the stuff
they hope to get for Christmas.


But we sure don't want kids smiling at school though right?
Why not tell the schools during Christmas time to take down ALL Christmas
decorations. No Christmas parties, no songs, no trees, no gift exchanges.

There are lots of ways to encourage kids to smile at school, a majority
of which do not infringe on anyone's constitutional rights. Many schools
have already made that move and now hold non-sectarian "holiday
parties". That's fine with me.

Lets just kill all of Christmas

Don't be silly. No one has proposed that.



By the way, isn't Christmas supposed to be a celebration of the birth
of Jesus. It seems to me that many of you Christans have strayed far
from the original intent of Christmas and now use it as an excuse to
pursue more materialsm.


That isn't correct. Christmas has become materialized, no doubt. But don't
blame that on Christians.

Who else should I blame that on. Christians are far and away the majority
in the United States. A majority of major retail stores are owned by
Christians or controlled by them. A majority of the news media is
controlled by Christians. So who is at fault for materializing Xmas?

As I said, kill it!!!

And any other holiday as well.
Hey, make them go to school on Christmas, just kill the whole holiday.
Isn't that what you want?


By the way, Christmas is my favorite holiday and I do go out and
decorate for Christmas, but I do it for the fun, not to worship some
fictional god.


Don't be a hypocrite.

No hypocricy involved, thank you.

And one day, you may be facing that fictional God, and I hope you have some
explanations..:o)

That's your opinion. In all likelihood, my body will decay and that will
be the end of it when I die. If you have evidence to the contrary, feel
free to post it here.

Then again, you think you are going to be just worm food anyway.

Huh?
.
User: "Osprey"

Title: Re: Oh yea, the ACLU is really fair. 16 Dec 2003 12:48:25 PM
"Me" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-ED72F8.11085216122003@comcast.ash.giganews.com...

In article <DbydnTn93pI3SUCiRVn-jw@comcast.com>,
"Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"Me" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-20772E.10291315122003@comcast.ash.giganews.com...

In article <jt-dnQQXFvmuUUCiRVn-hQ@comcast.com>,
"Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote:


I thought liberals were supposed to be so kind, fair, not

discriminate,

lead

by example

What happened????


We liberals respect the First Amendment. That's nothing new. The ACLU

is

not seeking to deny kids access to Santa.


Naa, they just supported him not being able to go to that school.


So? That's where the consitutional infraction occurred. I doubt this
will rise to a federal court, but if it does, then the ruling would
presumably apply to all public schools, nationwide.


Any shopping mall this time of

year has a Santa. The kids can go there to tell Santa about all the

stuff

they hope to get for Christmas.


But we sure don't want kids smiling at school though right?
Why not tell the schools during Christmas time to take down ALL

Christmas

decorations. No Christmas parties, no songs, no trees, no gift

exchanges.


There are lots of ways to encourage kids to smile at school, a majority
of which do not infringe on anyone's constitutional rights. Many schools
have already made that move and now hold non-sectarian "holiday
parties". That's fine with me.

Lets just kill all of Christmas


Don't be silly. No one has proposed that.

Why not? Someone is going to be offended somehow.
ACLU certainly wants it celebrated their way. Some don't want it at all.
So just kill it all.




By the way, isn't Christmas supposed to be a celebration of the birth
of Jesus. It seems to me that many of you Christans have strayed far
from the original intent of Christmas and now use it as an excuse to
pursue more materialsm.


That isn't correct. Christmas has become materialized, no doubt. But

don't

blame that on Christians.


Who else should I blame that on.

Blame it on the greedy people who take advantage of it and forget what
Christmas is really about.
Christians are far and away the majority

in the United States. A majority of major retail stores are owned by
Christians or controlled by them.

Oh?
A majority of the news media is

controlled by Christians. So who is at fault for materializing Xmas?

So do you have some proof for your statements above?


As I said, kill it!!!

And any other holiday as well.
Hey, make them go to school on Christmas, just kill the whole holiday.
Isn't that what you want?


By the way, Christmas is my favorite holiday and I do go out and
decorate for Christmas, but I do it for the fun, not to worship some
fictional god.


Don't be a hypocrite.


No hypocricy involved, thank you.

And one day, you may be facing that fictional God, and I hope you have

some

explanations..:o)


That's your opinion.

sure is, but I will say this. I wouldn't want to be in your position.
In all likelihood, my body will decay and that will

be the end of it when I die. If you have evidence to the contrary, feel
free to post it here.

Actually I do; however, there is no way I would post it in here because my
personal experience isn't up for yours or anyone elses ridicule.


Then again, you think you are going to be just worm food anyway.


Huh?

.


User: "Ray Fischer"

Title: Re: Oh yea, the ACLU is really fair. 17 Dec 2003 06:08:42 AM
Osprey <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"Me" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message

"Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote:

I thought liberals were supposed to be so kind, fair, not discriminate,

lead

by example

What happened????


We liberals respect the First Amendment. That's nothing new. The ACLU is
not seeking to deny kids access to Santa.


Naa, they just supported him not being able to go to that school.

I wonder what part of Reading, Writing, and Arithmetic involves
teaching baout Christian holidays.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.
User: "Frank Dwyer"

Title: Re: Oh yea, the ACLU is really fair. 17 Dec 2003 07:21:55 AM
Ray Fischer wrote:


Osprey <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"Me" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message

"Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote:


I thought liberals were supposed to be so kind, fair, not discriminate,

lead

by example

What happened????


We liberals respect the First Amendment. That's nothing new. The ACLU is
not seeking to deny kids access to Santa.


Naa, they just supported him not being able to go to that school.


I wonder what part of Reading, Writing, and Arithmetic involves
teaching baout Christian holidays.

You mean pagan holidays usurped by Christians, right? ;-)
.
User: "Ray Fischer"

Title: Re: Oh yea, the ACLU is really fair. 21 Dec 2003 01:21:33 PM
Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@citlink.net> wrote:

Ray Fischer wrote:

Osprey <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"Me" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message

"Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote:


I thought liberals were supposed to be so kind, fair, not discriminate,

lead

by example

What happened????


We liberals respect the First Amendment. That's nothing new. The ACLU is
not seeking to deny kids access to Santa.


Naa, they just supported him not being able to go to that school.


I wonder what part of Reading, Writing, and Arithmetic involves
teaching about Christian holidays.


You mean pagan holidays usurped by Christians, right? ;-)

Of course. Is there any other kind?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.






User: "Me"

Title: Re: Oh yea, the ACLU is really fair. 15 Dec 2003 09:36:17 AM
In article <w9GdnTJM3pe3VkCiRVn-vg@comcast.com>,
"Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote:

Nice work liberals, these articles show your true colors.

http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,105744,00.html



Successfully Stopping Santa and A-Caroling We Won't Go

Yup, our true colors are coming through. We support the Constitution and
the Bill of Rights. Too bad that's not a priority for you because our
constitutional laws are what sets us apart from dictatorships such as
what was in Iraq. It is truly sad that as our men and women in the
military are fighting in the Middle East to protect our way of life that
you conservatives have no clue about what freedom really means and what
the constitution really says. You should read the Constitution and the
Bill of Rights sometime.
By the way, the ACLU has also defended far right causes such as the
right of the Nazis to march in Skokie Illinois, and they even have a
case in progress right now where they're defending Jerry Falwell in a
case where Falwell has sued the state of Virginia regarding a law it
has which restricts the amount of land a church can own. The ACLU is
siding with Falwell on this issue, so don't tell me that the ACLU
supports exclusively liberal issues.
There is no reason the kids in that school couldn't enjoy the company
of Santa Clause outside of school hours. They're supposed to be in school
to learn, not to go ga ga over a Christian icon, such as Santa.
.
User: "Osprey"

Title: Re: Oh yea, the ACLU is really fair. 15 Dec 2003 09:39:37 AM
"Me" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-6955ED.10361715122003@comcast.ash.giganews.com...

In article <w9GdnTJM3pe3VkCiRVn-vg@comcast.com>,
"Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote:

Nice work liberals, these articles show your true colors.

http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,105744,00.html



Successfully Stopping Santa and A-Caroling We Won't Go


Yup, our true colors are coming through. We support the Constitution and
the Bill of Rights. Too bad that's not a priority for you because our
constitutional laws are what sets us apart from dictatorships such as
what was in Iraq. It is truly sad that as our men and women in the
military are fighting in the Middle East to protect our way of life that
you conservatives have no clue about what freedom really means and what
the constitution really says. You should read the Constitution and the
Bill of Rights sometime.

So tell us why the ACLU restricts Christian symbols, but Jewish Symbols and
Islamic Symbols are ok?
It is truly sad that our men and women in the military are fighting in the
Middle East to protect our way of life, and that YOU, don't understand that
Conservatives Do have a clue about freedom and what it really means, and
what the constitution says.
But you don't cry about the ACLU doing absolutely NOTHING about Islamic and
other Religious signs. Only Christianity
You are so fair!!!


By the way, the ACLU has also defended far right causes such as the
right of the Nazis to march in Skokie Illinois, and they even have a
case in progress right now where they're defending Jerry Falwell in a
case where Falwell has sued the state of Virginia regarding a law it
has which restricts the amount of land a church can own. The ACLU is
siding with Falwell on this issue, so don't tell me that the ACLU
supports exclusively liberal issues.


There is no reason the kids in that school couldn't enjoy the company
of Santa Clause outside of school hours.

No, lets kill it for the kids. Just kill the whole thing.
They're supposed to be in school

to learn, not to go ga ga over a Christian icon, such as Santa.

You are right, they should be there learning.
So ANYTHING that isn't involved with learning should be tossed out. Recess
as well. They are not learning at Recess.
Music, art, performing arts...none of that has anything to do with reading,
math, science.
Any posters that offend Christians, atheist, muslims, or anyone...GET THEM
OFF THE WALLS
Before you know it, they will have nothing but 4 blanks walls, and 8 hours
of nothing but reading, math, english, and science.
But hey, like you said, they should be there for learning. Oh, and keep out
the homosexual discussions in school too.
.
User: "pr0r3p"

Title: Re: Oh yea, the ACLU is really fair. 17 Dec 2003 07:51:34 AM
"Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote in message news:<GtOdnVZTVuSvS0CiRVn-sw@comcast.com>...

"Me" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-6955ED.10361715122003@comcast.ash.giganews.com...

In article <w9GdnTJM3pe3VkCiRVn-vg@comcast.com>,
"Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote:

Nice work liberals, these articles show your true colors.

http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,105744,00.html



Successfully Stopping Santa and A-Caroling We Won't Go


Yup, our true colors are coming through. We support the Constitution and
the Bill of Rights. Too bad that's not a priority for you because our
constitutional laws are what sets us apart from dictatorships such as
what was in Iraq. It is truly sad that as our men and women in the
military are fighting in the Middle East to protect our way of life that
you conservatives have no clue about what freedom really means and what
the constitution really says. You should read the Constitution and the
Bill of Rights sometime.


So tell us why the ACLU restricts Christian symbols, but Jewish Symbols and
Islamic Symbols are ok?

It is truly sad that our men and women in the military are fighting in the
Middle East to protect our way of life, and that YOU, don't understand that
Conservatives Do have a clue about freedom and what it really means, and
what the constitution says.

But you don't cry about the ACLU doing absolutely NOTHING about Islamic and
other Religious signs. Only Christianity

You are so fair!!!




By the way, the ACLU has also defended far right causes such as the
right of the Nazis to march in Skokie Illinois, and they even have a
case in progress right now where they're defending Jerry Falwell in a
case where Falwell has sued the state of Virginia regarding a law it
has which restricts the amount of land a church can own. The ACLU is
siding with Falwell on this issue, so don't tell me that the ACLU
supports exclusively liberal issues.


There is no reason the kids in that school couldn't enjoy the company
of Santa Clause outside of school hours.


No, lets kill it for the kids. Just kill the whole thing.

They're supposed to be in school

to learn, not to go ga ga over a Christian icon, such as Santa.


You are right, they should be there learning.

So ANYTHING that isn't involved with learning should be tossed out. Recess
as well. They are not learning at Recess.

Actually, they are learning at recess, but as you have proven again
and again, you aren't interested in the TRUTH.

Music, art, performing arts...none of that has anything to do with reading,
math, science.

In addition to your idiotic postings, this is further proof that you
don't believe education is important. Studies show that students
involved in the arts in school generally do better than those that are
not. (Asspry will probably read this and demand proof that ALL
students in arts programs do better even though I said they generally
do better - only more proof of his utter stupidity).


Any posters that offend Christians, atheist, muslims, or anyone...GET THEM
OFF THE WALLS

You're a ranting LOON.

Before you know it, they will have nothing but 4 blanks walls, and 8 hours
of nothing but reading, math, english, and science.

To bad it wasn't this way when you were in school, maybe you would
have gotten an education.


But hey, like you said, they should be there for learning. Oh, and keep out
the homosexual discussions in school too.

Again, Asspry shows what a HOMOPHOBE and BIGOT he is...
.

User: "Me"

Title: Re: Oh yea, the ACLU is really fair. 16 Dec 2003 10:21:38 AM
In article <GtOdnVZTVuSvS0CiRVn-sw@comcast.com>,
"Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"Me" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-6955ED.10361715122003@comcast.ash.giganews.com...

In article <w9GdnTJM3pe3VkCiRVn-vg@comcast.com>,
"Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote:

Nice work liberals, these articles show your true colors.

http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,105744,00.html



Successfully Stopping Santa and A-Caroling We Won't Go


Yup, our true colors are coming through. We support the Constitution and
the Bill of Rights. Too bad that's not a priority for you because our
constitutional laws are what sets us apart from dictatorships such as
what was in Iraq. It is truly sad that as our men and women in the
military are fighting in the Middle East to protect our way of life that
you conservatives have no clue about what freedom really means and what
the constitution really says. You should read the Constitution and the
Bill of Rights sometime.


So tell us why the ACLU restricts Christian symbols, but Jewish Symbols and
Islamic Symbols are ok?

Christian symbols are displayed with an attempt to proslityse.
Christianity is the majority religion. The Jews do not go out and
seek religious converts; whereas the Christians have a long history
of doing that. Frankly though, I am not in a position to speak for
the ACLU and if the ACLU litigated against the display of other
religions' symbols, I would also applaud that.

It is truly sad that our men and women in the military are fighting in the
Middle East to protect our way of life, and that YOU, don't understand that
Conservatives Do have a clue about freedom and what it really means, and
what the constitution says.

But you don't cry about the ACLU doing absolutely NOTHING about Islamic and
other Religious signs. Only Christianity

You are so fair!!!

I am not an attorney with the ACLU. If you really care about this issue,
contact the ACLU to voice your concerns. For all we know, the ACLU may
have indeed saught legal action against the display of Islam and other
non-Christian religious symbols on government venues.



By the way, the ACLU has also defended far right causes such as the
right of the Nazis to march in Skokie Illinois, and they even have a
case in progress right now where they're defending Jerry Falwell in a
case where Falwell has sued the state of Virginia regarding a law it
has which restricts the amount of land a church can own. The ACLU is
siding with Falwell on this issue, so don't tell me that the ACLU
supports exclusively liberal issues.


There is no reason the kids in that school couldn't enjoy the company
of Santa Clause outside of school hours.


No, lets kill it for the kids. Just kill the whole thing.

They're supposed to be in school

to learn, not to go ga ga over a Christian icon, such as Santa.


You are right, they should be there learning.

So ANYTHING that isn't involved with learning should be tossed out. Recess
as well. They are not learning at Recess.
Music, art, performing arts...none of that has anything to do with reading,
math, science.

Although I am not an attorny, I do know a lot about childhood learning.
All the things you mentioned provide learning opportunities where kids
can develop important skills. Recess gives kids an opportunity to learn
how to interact together and handle problems outside of a classroom
setting.

Any posters that offend Christians, atheist, muslims, or anyone...GET THEM
OFF THE WALLS

Fine with me.

Before you know it, they will have nothing but 4 blanks walls, and 8 hours
of nothing but reading, math, english, and science.

Not really. There's no reason the walls couldn't be decorated with
prints of some of the great artists such as Renoir and Picasso or even
some sports figures.
.
User: "Osprey"

Title: Re: Oh yea, the ACLU is really fair. 16 Dec 2003 12:50:24 PM
"Me" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-8D0BB3.11213816122003@comcast.ash.giganews.com...

In article <GtOdnVZTVuSvS0CiRVn-sw@comcast.com>,
"Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"Me" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-6955ED.10361715122003@comcast.ash.giganews.com...

In article <w9GdnTJM3pe3VkCiRVn-vg@comcast.com>,
"Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote:

Nice work liberals, these articles show your true colors.

http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,105744,00.html



Successfully Stopping Santa and A-Caroling We Won't Go


Yup, our true colors are coming through. We support the Constitution

and

the Bill of Rights. Too bad that's not a priority for you because our
constitutional laws are what sets us apart from dictatorships such as
what was in Iraq. It is truly sad that as our men and women in the
military are fighting in the Middle East to protect our way of life

that

you conservatives have no clue about what freedom really means and

what

the constitution really says. You should read the Constitution and the
Bill of Rights sometime.


So tell us why the ACLU restricts Christian symbols, but Jewish Symbols

and

Islamic Symbols are ok?


Christian symbols are displayed with an attempt to proslityse.
Christianity is the majority religion. The Jews do not go out and
seek religious converts; whereas the Christians have a long history
of doing that. Frankly though, I am not in a position to speak for
the ACLU and if the ACLU litigated against the display of other
religions' symbols, I would also applaud that.

so we have your description and your support of discrimination


It is truly sad that our men and women in the military are fighting in

the

Middle East to protect our way of life, and that YOU, don't understand

that

Conservatives Do have a clue about freedom and what it really means, and
what the constitution says.

But you don't cry about the ACLU doing absolutely NOTHING about Islamic

and

other Religious signs. Only Christianity

You are so fair!!!


I am not an attorney with the ACLU. If you really care about this issue,
contact the ACLU to voice your concerns. For all we know, the ACLU may
have indeed saught legal action against the display of Islam and other
non-Christian religious symbols on government venues.

It is ok, you all ready said enough on your reasons why.




By the way, the ACLU has also defended far right causes such as the
right of the Nazis to march in Skokie Illinois, and they even have a
case in progress right now where they're defending Jerry Falwell in a
case where Falwell has sued the state of Virginia regarding a law it
has which restricts the amount of land a church can own. The ACLU is
siding with Falwell on this issue, so don't tell me that the ACLU
supports exclusively liberal issues.


There is no reason the kids in that school couldn't enjoy the company
of Santa Clause outside of school hours.


No, lets kill it for the kids. Just kill the whole thing.

They're supposed to be in school

to learn, not to go ga ga over a Christian icon, such as Santa.


You are right, they should be there learning.

So ANYTHING that isn't involved with learning should be tossed out.

Recess

as well. They are not learning at Recess.
Music, art, performing arts...none of that has anything to do with

reading,

math, science.


Although I am not an attorny, I do know a lot about childhood learning.
All the things you mentioned provide learning opportunities where kids
can develop important skills. Recess gives kids an opportunity to learn
how to interact together and handle problems outside of a classroom
setting.

They can do that after school. Kill it!!!
It isn't learning.


Any posters that offend Christians, atheist, muslims, or anyone...GET

THEM

OFF THE WALLS


Fine with me.

Yes have the kids stare at four blank walls.

Before you know it, they will have nothing but 4 blanks walls, and 8

hours

of nothing but reading, math, english, and science.


Not really.

Yes, really.
There's no reason the walls couldn't be decorated with

prints of some of the great artists such as Renoir and Picasso or even
some sports figures.

Those paintings my offend someone, can't have it.
.


User: "Ray Fischer"

Title: Re: Oh yea, the ACLU is really fair. 17 Dec 2003 06:10:18 AM
Osprey <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote:


"Me" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-6955ED.10361715122003@comcast.ash.giganews.com...

In article <w9GdnTJM3pe3VkCiRVn-vg@comcast.com>,
"Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote:

Nice work liberals, these articles show your true colors.

http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,105744,00.html



Successfully Stopping Santa and A-Caroling We Won't Go


Yup, our true colors are coming through. We support the Constitution and
the Bill of Rights. Too bad that's not a priority for you because our
constitutional laws are what sets us apart from dictatorships such as
what was in Iraq. It is truly sad that as our men and women in the
military are fighting in the Middle East to protect our way of life that
you conservatives have no clue about what freedom really means and what
the constitution really says. You should read the Constitution and the
Bill of Rights sometime.


So tell us why the ACLU restricts Christian symbols, but Jewish Symbols and
Islamic Symbols are ok?

Who, besides ***** Heishman says that promoting Judaism or Islam in
public schools is "okay"?

It is truly sad that our men and women in the military are fighting in the
Middle East to protect our way of life,

No they're not.

and that YOU, don't understand that
Conservatives Do have a clue about freedom and what it really means,

The freedom to be Christian is the only freedom you accept.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.



User: "Ray Fischer"

Title: Re: Oh yea, the ACLU is really fair. 16 Dec 2003 12:48:02 AM
Osprey <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote:

Nice work liberals, these articles show your true colors.

Gee, that must mean that Heishman is a terrorist since anti-abortion
fanatics have resorted to terrorism, etortion, and murder to further
their immoral ideology.

http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,105744,00.html

Snicker. There's an objective source.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.
User: "osprey"

Title: Re: Oh yea, the ACLU is really fair. 16 Dec 2003 04:25:54 AM
(Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<brm9r1$ee4$1@bolt.sonic.net>...

Osprey <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote:

Nice work liberals, these articles show your true colors.


Gee, that must mean that Heishman is a terrorist since anti-abortion
fanatics have resorted to terrorism, etortion, and murder to further
their immoral ideology.

Ray shows his fear by snipping


http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,105744,00.html


Snicker. There's an objective source.

And now Ray shows the typical liberal tactic, run from the information
attack the source.
.

User: "Bob SD"

Title: Re: Oh yea, the ACLU is really fair. 16 Dec 2003 10:18:48 AM
(Ray Fischer) wrote in news:brm9r1$ee4$1
@bolt.sonic.net:

Osprey <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote:

Nice work liberals, these articles show your true colors.


Gee, that must mean that Heishman is a terrorist since anti-abortion
fanatics have resorted to terrorism, etortion, and murder to further
their immoral ideology.

http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,105744,00.html


Snicker. There's an objective source.

We all know that Fox news is most certainly not an "objective source". It
is a joke. Their repetitive claim of being "fair & balanced" is much akin
to a car salesman saying "trust me".
.


User: "revolutionarian"

Title: Re: Baring Santa. 16 Dec 2003 01:28:21 AM
Well, I can see how a lot of non-christian children might see Santa as a
symbol of christianity sanctioned by the school. See how fun and
wonderfull our multicultural america has become?
.
User: "Craig C. Chilton"

Title: Re: Baring Santa. 16 Dec 2003 05:16:40 AM
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 07:28:21 GMT,
"revolutionarian" <revolutionarian@earthlink.net> wrote:

Well, I can see how a lot of non-Christian children might
see Santa as a symbol of Christianity sanctioned by the school.
See how fun and wonderfull our multicultural america has
become?

Our multicultural America is doing just FINE!!
And for the most part, life here IS fun and wonderful!
And it would be even BETTER if control-freaks like you
grew up and stopped making such total fools of yourself.
Thank heaven it IS multicultural. That keeps theocratic
loons like YOU from theocratizing the place and creating
a tyranny.
-- Craig Chilton

.



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