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"james g. keegan jr." |
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25 Nov 2004 10:34:20 PM |
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Ohio is resisting recount |
Monday, November 22, 2004
Ohio is resisting recount
by John in DC - 11/22/2004 09:38:14 PM
These Ohio Republicans are as dirty as the day is long. A recount is
"insulting," they now say. What are these people, 5 year old children? Ohio
law spells out the conditions for a recount, and Badnarik met the conditions
and paid the money you require. Now they argue that the law doesn't matter
because, gosh, their feelings are hurt? Well guess what - my feelings are
hurt that Bush is still president. Get over it and obey the damn law. These
people are criminals.
http://americablog.blogspot.com/archives/2004_11_01_americablog_archive.html
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http://www.votetoimpeach.org/
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| User: "Resident Samuel" |
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| Title: Re: Ohio is resisting recount |
27 Nov 2004 04:37:01 PM |
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 22:24:50 GMT, wrote:
Keep that in mind, and cross reference that the
votes are kept in an unprotected MS Access database, and that the audit
trail is read/write.
Enough conspiracy theories for today - buh bye!
http://cartercenter.org/doc1801.htm
We were out early on election morning and were amazed at the
incredibly large turnout, with thousands of people waiting in line an
hour before polls were scheduled to open. Venezuela has a system of
electronic voting (with a paper ballot backup) and voters' thumbprints
are recorded electronically, transmitted by satellite, and compared
almost instantaneously to prevent multiple voting. A "No" vote
supported Chavez, and a "Yes" vote called for his removal from office.
Starting was somewhat slow, but 99.5 percent of the voting machines
were on the line by 10:30 a.m. Some of the fingerprint operators did
not report for duty, but this was not permitted to interfere with
voting. The great waiting crowds were in fine spirits, cheering loudly
everywhere we showed up.
During the day, the opposition leaders presented to us and their
supporters what turned out to be erroneous exit polling data that
showed Chavez losing the vote by 20 points or more, and they also sent
this information to their own people and to foreign news media.
However, the news media honored the CNE ruling against broadcasting
any kind of alleged voting results domestically. In the meantime, long
voter lines remained intact past the 4 p.m. closing time, past an
extended 8 p.m. closing time, and until midnight, when they finally
closed. A few people voted as late as 3 a.m.
At about 12:30 a.m., we and OAS leaders were invited to witness the
disclosure of the first electronic tabulation, which showed "No" votes
at 57 percent and "Yes" votes at 43 percent among the 6.6 million
votes counted at that time (of 10.5 million expected to vote). Gaviria
and I decided to invite the private media owners and opposition
leaders to my hotel suite to let them know about this and to tell them
that this was compatible with our own quick count results. The media
owners and some of the opposition said they would accept our judgment
while others were angry. We urged them to check their own sample
voting results and stated that we would obtain updated figures next
morning before making a public declaration of our judgment. We were in
Venezuela to remain neutral, to observe the electoral system, and to
make a careful and sound final assessment regarding whether the will
of the people is expressed. Chavez called me, and I urged him to wait
on any claim of victory until after a CNE public announcement and to
be generous and positive in his victory statement. He promised to do
so.
Finally, after three hours, we offered to the still irate opposition
leaders our services in resolving any of their remaining doubts before
we had to leave (after two more days). Having insisted all during
election day on a 20 point defeat for Chavez, their pollster (Súmate)
admitted before leaving that their data now showed only a five point
defeat and that quick count data were still being received. Early the
next morning, they reported that these results were reversed, with 55
percent supporting Chavez, but opposition leaders still were claiming
massive fraud and a victory for their side. Final voting results,
including the centers with manual ballots, showed 59-41 in favor of
Chavez, with his victory in 22 of the 24 states.
Gaviria and I had another press conference early in the afternoon on
Monday to confirm the legitimacy of the CNE returns. I called
Secretary of State Colin Powell to report our authentication of
results, and he promised to issue a statement from Washington
endorsing our findings.
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| User: "The other Donald" |
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| Title: Re: Ohio is resisting recount |
29 Nov 2004 12:39:51 AM |
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"Resident Samuel" <raccoon@forest.city> wrote in message
news:fb0iq01qkldrmn9fpnind9ir4mjjc8pr6k@4ax.com...
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 22:24:50 GMT, wrote:
Keep that in mind, and cross reference that the
votes are kept in an unprotected MS Access database, and that the audit
trail is read/write.
Enough conspiracy theories for today - buh bye!
Juvenile dipshit.
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| User: "Resident Samuel" |
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29 Nov 2004 10:10:43 AM |
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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 06:39:51 GMT, "The other Donald"
<the_donald_13@yeehaw2.com> wrote:
"Resident Samuel" <raccoon@forest.city> wrote in message
news:fb0iq01qkldrmn9fpnind9ir4mjjc8pr6k@4ax.com...
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 22:24:50 GMT, wrote:
Keep that in mind, and cross reference that the
votes are kept in an unprotected MS Access database, and that the audit
trail is read/write.
Enough conspiracy theories for today - buh bye!
Juvenile dipshit.
That you are, thanks for an honest sig.
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| User: "* US *" |
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29 Nov 2004 10:53:55 AM |
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""We are literally receiving additional reports every minute"
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,65830,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_4
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| User: "Resident Samuel" |
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29 Nov 2004 11:56:16 PM |
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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:53:55 -0500, * US * wrote:
Apu
http://www.100monkeystyping.com/phlog/apu.jpg
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| User: "* US *" |
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30 Nov 2004 09:21:17 AM |
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The bushkultie hates Americans, and doesn't want them to have democracy.
""We are literally receiving additional reports every minute"
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,65830,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_4
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| User: "Resident Samuel" |
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30 Nov 2004 10:51:45 AM |
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On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:21:17 -0500, * US * wrote:
http://new.wavlist.com/humor/001/crash.wav
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| User: "* US *" |
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30 Nov 2004 12:14:15 PM |
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The bushkultie hates Americans, and doesn't want them to have democracy.
""We are literally receiving additional reports every minute"
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,65830,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_4
The bushkultie wishes he could send people to the camps to be gassed.
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| User: "Resident Samuel" |
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30 Nov 2004 04:31:05 PM |
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On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:14:15 -0500, * US * wrote:
The bushkultie hates Americans, and doesn't want them to have democracy.
""We are literally receiving additional reports every minute"
http://datacore.sciflicks.com/the_war_of_the_worlds/sounds/the_war_of_the_worlds_orson_welles.wav
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| User: "* US *" |
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30 Nov 2004 10:58:33 PM |
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The bushkultie hates Americans, and doesn't want them to have democracy.
""We are literally receiving additional reports every minute"
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,65830,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_4
The bushkultie wishes he could send people to the camps to be gassed.
Bush admires Hitler, and the bushkultie is the slave of fascism.
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| User: "The other Donald" |
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| Title: Re: Ohio is resisting recount |
29 Nov 2004 11:02:28 AM |
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"Resident Samuel" <raccoon@forest.city> wrote in message
news:5uhmq0lb002obfsd3bf9cgm2h56pv9vak0@4ax.com...
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 06:39:51 GMT, "The other Donald"
<the_donald_13@yeehaw2.com> wrote:
"Resident Samuel" <raccoon@forest.city> wrote in message
news:fb0iq01qkldrmn9fpnind9ir4mjjc8pr6k@4ax.com...
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 22:24:50 GMT, wrote:
Keep that in mind, and cross reference that the
votes are kept in an unprotected MS Access database, and that the
audit
trail is read/write.
Enough conspiracy theories for today - buh bye!
Juvenile dipshit.
That
perfectly describes you.
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| User: "Resident Samuel" |
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29 Nov 2004 11:54:33 PM |
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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:02:28 GMT, "The other Donald"
<the_donald_13@yeehaw2.com> wrote:
Juvenile dipshit.
perfectly describes me.
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| User: "* US *" |
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30 Nov 2004 09:22:12 AM |
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"In Cleveland, as in Kiev, Ukraine, citizens have the right to know that the election is
run fairly and every vote counted honestly. Citizens have the right to nonpartisan
election officials. Citizens have the right to voting machines that keep a paper record
and allow for an independent audit and recount."
http://www.suntimes.com/output/jesse/cst-edt-jesse30.html
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| User: "Resident Samuel" |
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30 Nov 2004 10:51:45 AM |
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On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:22:12 -0500, * US * wrote:
http://new.wavlist.com/humor/001/grndhog.wav
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| User: "* US *" |
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30 Nov 2004 12:17:01 PM |
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"In Cleveland, as in Kiev, Ukraine, citizens have the right to know that the election is
run fairly and every vote counted honestly. Citizens have the right to nonpartisan
election officials. Citizens have the right to voting machines that keep a paper record
and allow for an independent audit and recount."
http://www.suntimes.com/output/jesse/cst-edt-jesse30.html
The bushkultie doesn't want valid elections. He wants Nazism and concentration camps.
He'll prove it by hiding from this rather than refuting it.
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| User: "Resident Samuel" |
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30 Nov 2004 04:32:54 PM |
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On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:17:01 -0500, * US * wrote:
http://www.the-earchives.com/wavs/f/famguy113.wav
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| User: "* US *" |
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30 Nov 2004 10:58:33 PM |
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The Ukrainians are far more interested in democracy than the bushkultie.
"In Cleveland, as in Kiev, Ukraine, citizens have the right to know that the election is
run fairly and every vote counted honestly. Citizens have the right to nonpartisan
election officials. Citizens have the right to voting machines that keep a paper record
and allow for an independent audit and recount."
http://www.suntimes.com/output/jesse/cst-edt-jesse30.html
The bushkultie doesn't want valid elections. He wants Nazism and concentration camps.
He'll prove it by hiding from this rather than refuting it.
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| User: "The other Donald" |
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30 Nov 2004 12:05:12 AM |
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"Resident Samuel" <raccoon@forest.city> wrote in message
news:761oq0l2iuhou6scmhrgdq2lku4mvoitkg@4ax.com...
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:02:28 GMT, "The other Donald"
<the_donald_13@yeehaw2.com> wrote:
Juvenile dipshit.
perfectly describes me.
At least you concur.
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| User: "Resident Samuel" |
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30 Nov 2004 10:51:28 AM |
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On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 06:05:12 GMT, "The other Donald"
<the_donald_13@yeehaw2.com> wrote:
FOAD.
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| User: "* US *" |
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30 Nov 2004 12:16:00 PM |
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"red-faced election officials in Franklin County admitted a computer error on Election
Night had tallied 4,258 votes for Bush in a precinct where only 638 people voted"
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/story/257365p-220441c.html
That one is likely a typo by the crook who got to the tabulator, who'd intended,
probably, to type in 425 votes for Bush.
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| User: "Resident Samuel" |
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30 Nov 2004 04:31:06 PM |
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On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:16:00 -0500, * US * wrote:
"red-faced election officials
http://www.the-earchives.com/wavs/f/famguy113.wav
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| User: "* US *" |
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30 Nov 2004 10:58:33 PM |
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"red-faced election officials in Franklin County admitted a computer error on Election
Night had tallied 4,258 votes for Bush in a precinct where only 638 people voted"
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/story/257365p-220441c.html
That one is likely a typo by the crook who got to the tabulator, who'd intended,
probably, to type in 425 votes for Bush.
That's thousands of votes Bush got that he never earned. If Bush were a decent
person, he'd not want those illicit votes. Notice that he's grasping at them with
no intention of giving any of them up.
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| User: "* US *" |
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30 Nov 2004 09:23:07 AM |
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On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 06:05:12 GMT, "The other Donald" <the_donald_13@yeehaw2.com> wrote:
"Resident Samuel" <raccoon@forest.city> wrote in message
news:761oq0l2iuhou6scmhrgdq2lku4mvoitkg@4ax.com...
Juvenile dipshit perfectly describes me.
At least you concur.
He can't deny it. If he were sufficiently mature, he'd want to
see valid elections in the USA. He isn't, though.
http://www.suntimes.com/output/jesse/cst-edt-jesse30.html
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| User: "Resident Samuel" |
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30 Nov 2004 10:51:45 AM |
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On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:23:07 -0500, * US * wrote:
http://new.wavlist.com/humor/001/grndhog.wav
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| User: "* US *" |
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30 Nov 2004 12:14:41 PM |
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On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 06:05:12 GMT, "The other Donald" <the_donald_13@yeehaw2.com> wrote:
"Resident Samuel" <raccoon@forest.city> wrote in message
news:761oq0l2iuhou6scmhrgdq2lku4mvoitkg@4ax.com...
Juvenile dipshit perfectly describes me.
At least you concur.
He can't deny it. If he were sufficiently mature, he'd want to
see valid elections in the USA. He isn't, though.
He may never manage to be.
http://www.suntimes.com/output/jesse/cst-edt-jesse30.html
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| User: "Resident Samuel" |
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30 Nov 2004 04:32:52 PM |
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On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:14:41 -0500, * US * wrote:
He can't deny it.
http://datacore.sciflicks.com/the_war_of_the_worlds/sounds/the_war_of_the_worlds_orson_welles.wav
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| User: "* US *" |
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30 Nov 2004 10:58:33 PM |
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On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 06:05:12 GMT, "The other Donald" <the_donald_13@yeehaw2.com> wrote:
"Resident Samuel" <raccoon@forest.city> wrote in message
news:761oq0l2iuhou6scmhrgdq2lku4mvoitkg@4ax.com...
Juvenile dipshit perfectly describes me.
At least you concur.
He can't deny it. If he were sufficiently mature, he'd want to
see valid elections in the USA. He isn't, though.
He may never manage to be.
http://www.suntimes.com/output/jesse/cst-edt-jesse30.html
Notice he can't even manage to read relevant sites.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Ohio is resisting recount |
27 Nov 2004 06:02:09 PM |
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In article <fb0iq01qkldrmn9fpnind9ir4mjjc8pr6k@4ax.com>, Resident Samuel wrote:
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 22:24:50 GMT, wrote:
Keep that in mind, and cross reference that the
votes are kept in an unprotected MS Access database, and that the audit
trail is read/write.
Enough conspiracy theories for today - buh bye!
I take it you paid no attention to the diebold internal memos that leaked
out a year ago.
http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,59925,00.html
Nor did you pay any attention to the contents. Here's one of the more
incriminating ones.
<begin paste>
To: <support@gesn.com>
Subject: RE: alteration of Audit Log in Access
From: "Ken Clark" <ken@gesn.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:55:02 -0700
Importance: Normal
In-reply-to: <ODEFIJCCLAAIGHHAOEJIKECACCAA.nfglobal@earthlink.net>
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Its a tough question, and it has a lot to do with perception. Of course
everyone knows perception is reality.
Right now you can open GEMS' .mdb file with MS-Access, and alter its
contents. That includes the audit log. This isn't anything new. In VTS, you
can open the database with progress and do the same. The same would go for
anyone else's system using whatever database they are using. Hard drives are
read-write entities. You can change their contents.
Now, where the perception comes in is that its right now very *easy* to
change the contents. Double click the .mdb file. Even technical wizards at
Metamor (or Ciber, or whatever) can figure that one out.
It is possible to put a secret password on the .mdb file to prevent Metamor
from opening it with Access. I've threatened to put a password on the .mdb
before when dealers/customers/support have done stupid things with the GEMS
database structure using Access. Being able to end-run the database has
admittedly got people out of a bind though. Jane (I think it was Jane) did
some fancy footwork on the .mdb file in Gaston recently. I know our dealers
do it. King County is famous for it. That's why we've never put a password
on the file before.
Note however that even if we put a password on the file, it doesn't really
prove much. Someone has to know the password, else how would GEMS open it.
So this technically brings us back to square one: the audit log is
modifiable by that person at least (read, me). Back to perception though, if
you don't bring this up you might skate through Metamor.
There might be some clever crypto techniques to make it even harder to
change the log (for me, they guy with the password that is). We're talking
big changes here though, and at the moment largely theoretical ones. I'd
doubt that any of our competitors are that clever.
By the way, all of this is why Texas gets its sh*t in a knot over the log
printer. Log printers are not read-write, so you don't have the problem. Of
course if I were Texas I would be more worried about modifications to our
electronic ballots than to our electron logs, but that is another story I
guess.
Bottom line on Metamor is to find out what it is going to take to make them
happy. You can try the old standard of the NT password gains access to the
operating system, and that after that point all bets are off. You have to
trust the person with the NT password at least. This is all about Florida,
and we have had VTS certified in Florida under the status quo for nearly ten
years.
I sense a loosing battle here though. The changes to put a password on the
..mdb file are not trivial and probably not even backward compatible, but
we'll do it if that is what it is going to take.
Ken
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| User: "Resident Samuel" |
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| Title: Re: Ohio is resisting recount |
27 Nov 2004 06:35:42 PM |
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On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 00:02:09 GMT, wrote:
Enough conspiracy theories for today - buh bye!
I take it you paid no attention to the diebold internal memos
Goodnight freak - adjust yer tinfoil beanie for UHF stations only!
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| User: "" |
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27 Nov 2004 07:10:18 PM |
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In article <v97iq0dqhb8jsjvgcmf7chtrmiunrcl5vs@4ax.com>, Resident Samuel wrote:
On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 00:02:09 GMT, wrote:
Enough conspiracy theories for today - buh bye!
I take it you paid no attention to the diebold internal memos
Goodnight freak - adjust yer tinfoil beanie for UHF stations only!
And afraid to look too. What a fragile worldview.
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