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User:	"james g. keegan jr."
Date:	14 Feb 2007 08:00:22 PM
Object:	once a liar, always a liar.

łI can say with certainty that the Quds Force, a part of the Iranian
government, has provided these sophisticated I.E.D.šs that have
harmed our troops.˛
--Bush, today, at his press conference
"The danger to our country is grave and it is growing. The Iraqi
regime possesses biological and chemical weapons, is rebuilding the
facilities to make more and, according to the British government,
could launch a biological or chemical attack in as little as 45
minutes after the order is given. The regime has long-standing and
continuing ties to terrorist groups, and there are al Qaeda
terrorists inside Iraq. This regime is seeking a nuclear bomb, and
with fissile material could build one within a year."
--Bush radio address, September 28, 2002
once a liar, always a liar.
.

User: "Bill Bonde Not endorsed by Hootia and the Blowfish"
Title: Re: once a liar, always a liar.	14 Feb 2007 08:15:02 PM

"james g. keegan jr." wrote:

łI can say with certainty that the Quds Force, a part of the Iranian
government, has provided these sophisticated I.E.D.šs that have
harmed our troops.˛
--Bush, today, at his press conference

"The danger to our country is grave and it is growing. The Iraqi
regime possesses biological and chemical weapons, is rebuilding the
facilities to make more and, according to the British government,
could launch a biological or chemical attack in as little as 45
minutes after the order is given. The regime has long-standing and
continuing ties to terrorist groups, and there are al Qaeda
terrorists inside Iraq. This regime is seeking a nuclear bomb, and
with fissile material could build one within a year."
--Bush radio address, September 28, 2002

once a liar, always a liar.

What does that make you? If Bush was wrong about 2002 and Iraq's WMDs
doesn't make him wrong about 2007 and Iran's IEDs. Your claim that it
does is, well, it's a lie.
--
Thus, if the problem of technological hopelessness is caused by absence
of care, both by technologists and anti-technologists; and if care and
Quality are external and internal aspects of the same thing, then it
follows that what really causes technological hopelessness is absence of
the perception of Quality in technologists and anti-technologists.
Robert Pirsig, "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance"
.

User: "Osprey"
Title: Re: once a liar, always a liar.	14 Feb 2007 09:23:47 PM

"Bill Bonde ( Not endorsed by Hootia and the Blowfish )"
<tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:45D3C226.35779D70@yahoo.co.uk...

"james g. keegan jr." wrote:

łI can say with certainty that the Quds Force, a part of the Iranian
government, has provided these sophisticated I.E.D.šs that have
harmed our troops.˛
--Bush, today, at his press conference

"The danger to our country is grave and it is growing. The Iraqi
regime possesses biological and chemical weapons, is rebuilding the
facilities to make more and, according to the British government,
could launch a biological or chemical attack in as little as 45
minutes after the order is given. The regime has long-standing and
continuing ties to terrorist groups, and there are al Qaeda
terrorists inside Iraq. This regime is seeking a nuclear bomb, and
with fissile material could build one within a year."
--Bush radio address, September 28, 2002

once a liar, always a liar.

What does that make you? If Bush was wrong about 2002 and Iraq's WMDs
doesn't make him wrong about 2007 and Iran's IEDs. Your claim that it
does is, well, it's a lie.

I think, and I hope, that this time our government is patient and takes the
time to get all the facts straight.
If Iran is in fact supplying the insurgents, then I think strong diplomatic
steps should be taken and Iran should
have heavy sanctions put in place.
I don't think the talk of "war", is a good idea.
And you are right, the "once a liar, always a liar" isn't true. If that was
the case, then it would be impossible for Keegan to ever
tell the truth.
.

User: "Shawn Hirn"
Title: Re: once a liar, always a liar.	14 Feb 2007 11:51:39 PM

In article <bKGdnYU2WpfZT07YnZ2dnUVZ_qyjnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"Bill Bonde ( Not endorsed by Hootia and the Blowfish )"
<tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:45D3C226.35779D70@yahoo.co.uk...

"james g. keegan jr." wrote:

łI can say with certainty that the Quds Force, a part of the Iranian
government, has provided these sophisticated I.E.D.šs that have
harmed our troops.˛
--Bush, today, at his press conference

"The danger to our country is grave and it is growing. The Iraqi
regime possesses biological and chemical weapons, is rebuilding the
facilities to make more and, according to the British government,
could launch a biological or chemical attack in as little as 45
minutes after the order is given. The regime has long-standing and
continuing ties to terrorist groups, and there are al Qaeda
terrorists inside Iraq. This regime is seeking a nuclear bomb, and
with fissile material could build one within a year."
--Bush radio address, September 28, 2002

once a liar, always a liar.

What does that make you? If Bush was wrong about 2002 and Iraq's WMDs
doesn't make him wrong about 2007 and Iran's IEDs. Your claim that it
does is, well, it's a lie.

I think, and I hope, that this time our government is patient and takes the
time to get all the facts straight.

Wow! I can't believe I am agreeing with you.

If Iran is in fact supplying the insurgents, then I think strong diplomatic
steps should be taken and Iran should have heavy sanctions put in place.

If Iran is guilty of the charges Bush leveled, a tight trade embargo
against Iran needs to be put in place ASAP.

I don't think the talk of "war", is a good idea.

Especially since we don't have the manpower to launch a war against Iraq
without pulling troops from Iraq or Afghanistan.
.

User: "james g. keegan jr."
Title: Re: once a liar, always a liar.	15 Feb 2007 08:19:52 AM

In article <srhi-228C3D.00513915022007@newsgroups.comcast.net>,
Shawn Hirn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote:

If Iran is guilty of the charges Bush leveled,

just like his claims that iraq had wmds.
some people want to me lied to.
.

User: "Bill Bonde Not endorsed by Hootia and the Blowfish"
Title: Re: once a liar, always a liar.	15 Feb 2007 11:47:35 AM

"james g. keegan jr." wrote:

In article <srhi-228C3D.00513915022007@newsgroups.comcast.net>,
Shawn Hirn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote:

If Iran is guilty of the charges Bush leveled,

just like his claims that iraq had wmds.

some people want to me lied to.

Some people like to lie. Whether or not WMDs were in Iraq has nothing to
do with whether or not Iran is supplying arms to insurgents in Iraq.
Nothing.
--
Thus, if the problem of technological hopelessness is caused by absence
of care, both by technologists and anti-technologists; and if care and
Quality are external and internal aspects of the same thing, then it
follows that what really causes technological hopelessness is absence of
the perception of Quality in technologists and anti-technologists.
Robert Pirsig, "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance"
.

User: "james g. keegan jr."
Title: Re: once a liar, always a liar.	15 Feb 2007 12:47:57 PM

In article <45D49CB7.AEFED89E@yahoo.co.uk>,
"Bill Bonde ( Not endorsed by Hootia and the Blowfish )"
<tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

"james g. keegan jr." wrote:

In article <srhi-228C3D.00513915022007@newsgroups.comcast.net>,
Shawn Hirn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote:

If Iran is guilty of the charges Bush leveled,

just like his claims that iraq had wmds.

some people want to me lied to.

Some people like to lie.

exactly. learn from that

Whether or not WMDs were in Iraq

"Whether or not WMDs were in Iraq?"
isn't that beneath even you?
.

User: "Bill Bonde Not endorsed by Hootia and the Blowfish"
Title: Re: once a liar, always a liar.	15 Feb 2007 01:02:51 PM

"james g. keegan jr." wrote:

In article <45D49CB7.AEFED89E@yahoo.co.uk>,
"Bill Bonde ( Not endorsed by Hootia and the Blowfish )"
<tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

"james g. keegan jr." wrote:

In article <srhi-228C3D.00513915022007@newsgroups.comcast.net>,
Shawn Hirn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote:

If Iran is guilty of the charges Bush leveled,

just like his claims that iraq had wmds.

some people want to me lied to.

Some people like to lie.

exactly. learn from that

I'm not interested in lying, if only because it's not interesting to
cheat in a discussion. Of course it's all about what you bring to the
table, isn't it?

Whether or not WMDs were in Iraq

"Whether or not WMDs were in Iraq?"

isn't that beneath even you?

If any readers wonder what lying means in the context of a usenet
discussion, you've just given a good example. You cut what I wrote to
change the meaning. Here it is again complete:
#begin quote requote cut ME
Some people like to lie. Whether or not WMDs were in Iraq has nothing to
do with whether or not Iran is supplying arms to insurgents in Iraq.
Nothing.
#end quote
The meaning of what I wrote is obvious and you know it wasn't a
statement about WMDs being or not being in Iraq but was about a
connection between one hypothetical and another. You knew that yet you
cut to change the meaning. That's the sort of thing that is a lie. And
no, I don't think that's beneath you at all, it's about par for your
course.
--
Bush say global warm-warm not real
Even though ice gone and no seals
Polar bears can't find their meals
Grow as thin as Ally McBeals
.

User: "james g. keegan jr."
Title: Re: once a liar, always a liar.	15 Feb 2007 01:49:07 PM

In article <45D4AE5B.608CF985@yahoo.co.uk>,
"Bill Bonde ( Not endorsed by Hootia and the Blowfish )"
<tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

"james g. keegan jr." wrote:

In article <45D49CB7.AEFED89E@yahoo.co.uk>,
"Bill Bonde ( Not endorsed by Hootia and the Blowfish )"
<tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

"james g. keegan jr." wrote:

In article <srhi-228C3D.00513915022007@newsgroups.comcast.net>,
Shawn Hirn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote:

If Iran is guilty of the charges Bush leveled,

just like his claims that iraq had wmds.

some people want to me lied to.

Some people like to lie.

exactly. learn from that

I'm not interested in lying,

you have repeatedly defended bush's lies in this very thread.

Whether or not WMDs were in Iraq

"Whether or not WMDs were in Iraq?"

isn't that beneath even you?

If any readers wonder what lying means in the context of a usenet
discussion,

i see it wasn't beneath you.
[...]
.

User: "Bill Bonde Not endorsed by Hootia and the Blowfish"
Title: Re: once a liar, always a liar.	15 Feb 2007 01:50:38 PM

"james g. keegan jr." wrote:

In article <45D4AE5B.608CF985@yahoo.co.uk>,
"Bill Bonde ( Not endorsed by Hootia and the Blowfish )"
<tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

"james g. keegan jr." wrote:

In article <45D49CB7.AEFED89E@yahoo.co.uk>,
"Bill Bonde ( Not endorsed by Hootia and the Blowfish )"
<tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

"james g. keegan jr." wrote:

In article <srhi-228C3D.00513915022007@newsgroups.comcast.net>,
Shawn Hirn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote:

If Iran is guilty of the charges Bush leveled,

just like his claims that iraq had wmds.

some people want to me lied to.

Some people like to lie.

exactly. learn from that

I'm not interested in lying,

you have repeatedly defended bush's lies in this very thread.

Apparently questioning your received wisdom is "lying". That hardly
forms the basis for the sort of debate that is a requirement in a
functional democracy.

Whether or not WMDs were in Iraq

"Whether or not WMDs were in Iraq?"

isn't that beneath even you?

If any readers wonder what lying means in the context of a usenet
discussion,

i see it wasn't beneath you.

You are lying yet again. Do I need bother to bring back the material you
again cut to change the meaning? What is wrong with you?
--
Bush say global warm-warm not real
Even though ice gone and no seals
Polar bears can't find their meals
Grow as thin as Ally McBeals
.

User: "james g. keegan jr."
Title: Re: once a liar, always a liar.	15 Feb 2007 02:00:11 PM

In article <45D4B98E.BA9D52AB@yahoo.co.uk>,
"Bill Bonde ( Not endorsed by Hootia and the Blowfish )"
<tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

"james g. keegan jr." wrote:

In article <45D4AE5B.608CF985@yahoo.co.uk>,
"Bill Bonde ( Not endorsed by Hootia and the Blowfish )"
<tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

"james g. keegan jr." wrote:

In article <45D49CB7.AEFED89E@yahoo.co.uk>,
"Bill Bonde ( Not endorsed by Hootia and the Blowfish )"
<tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

"james g. keegan jr." wrote:

In article <srhi-228C3D.00513915022007@newsgroups.comcast.net>,
Shawn Hirn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote:

If Iran is guilty of the charges Bush leveled,

just like his claims that iraq had wmds.

some people want to me lied to.

Some people like to lie.

exactly. learn from that

I'm not interested in lying,

you have repeatedly defended bush's lies in this very thread.

Apparently questioning your received wisdom is "lying".

nice strawman. but you made it up.
i'll restore the original text for you.
====begin restore

=I can say with certainty that the Quds Force, a part of the Iranian

government, has provided these sophisticated I.E.D.?s that have
harmed our troops.<=
--Bush, today, at his press conference
"The danger to our country is grave and it is growing. The Iraqi
regime possesses biological and chemical weapons, is rebuilding the
facilities to make more and, according to the British government,
could launch a biological or chemical attack in as little as 45
minutes after the order is given. The regime has long-standing and
continuing ties to terrorist groups, and there are al Qaeda
terrorists inside Iraq. This regime is seeking a nuclear bomb, and
with fissile material could build one within a year."
--Bush radio address, September 28, 2002
once a liar, always a liar.
====end restore

Whether or not WMDs were in Iraq

"Whether or not WMDs were in Iraq?"

isn't that beneath even you?

If any readers wonder what lying means in the context of a usenet
discussion,

i see it wasn't beneath you.

You are lying yet again.

i see you've sunk even further with your false and unsupported claims.
you neocons are all the same.
.

User: "osprey"
Title: Re: once a liar, always a liar.	15 Feb 2007 08:33:06 AM

On Feb 15, 12:51 am, Shawn Hirn <s...@comcast.net> wrote:

In article <bKGdnYU2WpfZT07YnZ2dnUVZ_qyjn...@comcast.com>,

"Osprey" <NoNeedtok...@mail.com> wrote:

"Bill Bonde ( Not endorsed by Hootia and the Blowfish )"
<tributyltinpa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:45D3C226.35779D70@yahoo.co.uk...

"james g. keegan jr." wrote:

=B3I can say with certainty that the Quds Force, a part of the Irani=

government, has provided these sophisticated I.E.D.=B9s that have
harmed our troops.=B2
--Bush, today, at his press conference

"The danger to our country is grave and it is growing. The Iraqi
regime possesses biological and chemical weapons, is rebuilding the
facilities to make more and, according to the British government,
could launch a biological or chemical attack in as little as 45
minutes after the order is given. The regime has long-standing and
continuing ties to terrorist groups, and there are al Qaeda
terrorists inside Iraq. This regime is seeking a nuclear bomb, and
with fissile material could build one within a year."
--Bush radio address, September 28, 2002

once a liar, always a liar.

What does that make you? If Bush was wrong about 2002 and Iraq's WMDs
doesn't make him wrong about 2007 and Iran's IEDs. Your claim that it
does is, well, it's a lie.

I think, and I hope, that this time our government is patient and takes=

the

time to get all the facts straight.

Wow! I can't believe I am agreeing with you.

If Iran is in fact supplying the insurgents, then I think strong diplom=

atic

steps should be taken and Iran should have heavy sanctions put in place.

If Iran is guilty of the charges Bush leveled, a tight trade embargo
against Iran needs to be put in place ASAP.

It's GOT to be multi-national too. We cant' just keep going things
alone, or with just England and/or Australia. Don't get me wrong,
they are our strongest allies and we should always remember that;
however, this time we are delaing with a serious mad man who in my
opinion, would use nukes. I don't think he would hesitate to use
them, and I don't think he cares what happens to him or his nation.
Bush needs to think about the damage that has been done with our
relationship with other nations, we got to work on repairing the
damage and work together.
I'm watching Bush carefully right now with his behavior with our new
congress. Most of congress is saying, be patient and lets get the
facts straight.
Yes, we are going to have a few use this opportunity for their
political platform as they prepare for their presidential run.

I don't think the talk of "war", is a good idea.

Especially since we don't have the manpower to launch a war against Iraq
without pulling troops from Iraq or Afghanistan.

I don't think we have the manpower either, but then again, I'm not in
an position to really know.
.

User: "Ray Fischer"
Title: Re: once a liar, always a liar.	14 Feb 2007 11:53:36 PM

Shawn Hirn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote:

"Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

If Iran is in fact supplying the insurgents, then I think strong diplomatic
steps should be taken and Iran should have heavy sanctions put in place.

If Iran is guilty of the charges Bush leveled, a tight trade embargo
against Iran needs to be put in place ASAP.

Why?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.

User: "Bill Bonde Not endorsed by Hootia and the Blowfish"
Title: Re: once a liar, always a liar.	15 Feb 2007 12:39:31 AM

Ray Fischer wrote:

Shawn Hirn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote:

"Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

If Iran is in fact supplying the insurgents, then I think strong diplomatic
steps should be taken and Iran should have heavy sanctions put in place.

If Iran is guilty of the charges Bush leveled, a tight trade embargo
against Iran needs to be put in place ASAP.

Why?

Another possibility would be to run you over with a bread truck.
--
Thus, if the problem of technological hopelessness is caused by absence
of care, both by technologists and anti-technologists; and if care and
Quality are external and internal aspects of the same thing, then it
follows that what really causes technological hopelessness is absence of
the perception of Quality in technologists and anti-technologists.
Robert Pirsig, "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance"
.

User: "Bill Bonde Not endorsed by Hootia and the Blowfish"
Title: Re: once a liar, always a liar.	15 Feb 2007 12:44:17 AM

Shawn Hirn wrote:

In article <bKGdnYU2WpfZT07YnZ2dnUVZ_qyjnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"Bill Bonde ( Not endorsed by Hootia and the Blowfish )"
<tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:45D3C226.35779D70@yahoo.co.uk...

"james g. keegan jr." wrote:

łI can say with certainty that the Quds Force, a part of the Iranian
government, has provided these sophisticated I.E.D.šs that have
harmed our troops.˛
--Bush, today, at his press conference

"The danger to our country is grave and it is growing. The Iraqi
regime possesses biological and chemical weapons, is rebuilding the
facilities to make more and, according to the British government,
could launch a biological or chemical attack in as little as 45
minutes after the order is given. The regime has long-standing and
continuing ties to terrorist groups, and there are al Qaeda
terrorists inside Iraq. This regime is seeking a nuclear bomb, and
with fissile material could build one within a year."
--Bush radio address, September 28, 2002

once a liar, always a liar.

What does that make you? If Bush was wrong about 2002 and Iraq's WMDs
doesn't make him wrong about 2007 and Iran's IEDs. Your claim that it
does is, well, it's a lie.

I think, and I hope, that this time our government is patient and takes the
time to get all the facts straight.

Wow! I can't believe I am agreeing with you.

If Iran is in fact supplying the insurgents, then I think strong diplomatic
steps should be taken and Iran should have heavy sanctions put in place.

If Iran is guilty of the charges Bush leveled, a tight trade embargo
against Iran needs to be put in place ASAP.

Liberals are so naive. Sanctions don't work. First of all, unless you
get the Russians and the Chinese and the Europeans on board, it's
basically the US making its trade deficit worse. Secondly, consider how
Iran has plenty of something called oil that it can use to get around
any sanctions even if everyone claims to be on board. Third, the US and
others have already caught Iran supplying arms to terrorists, granted
that was just to kill Jews and counting that as "real" terrorism seems a
bit of a stretch for some around here on the left.
.

User: "osprey"
Title: Re: once a liar, always a liar.	15 Feb 2007 08:34:04 AM

On Feb 15, 1:44 am, "Bill Bonde ( Not endorsed by Hootia and the
Blowfish )" <tributyltinpa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Shawn Hirn wrote:

In article <bKGdnYU2WpfZT07YnZ2dnUVZ_qyjn...@comcast.com>,
"Osprey" <NoNeedtok...@mail.com> wrote:

"Bill Bonde ( Not endorsed by Hootia and the Blowfish )"
<tributyltinpa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:45D3C226.35779D70@yahoo.co.uk...

"james g. keegan jr." wrote:

=B3I can say with certainty that the Quds Force, a part of the Ira=

nian

government, has provided these sophisticated I.E.D.=B9s that have
harmed our troops.=B2
--Bush, today, at his press conference

once a liar, always a liar.

What does that make you? If Bush was wrong about 2002 and Iraq's WM=

doesn't make him wrong about 2007 and Iran's IEDs. Your claim that =

does is, well, it's a lie.

I think, and I hope, that this time our government is patient and tak=

es the

time to get all the facts straight.

Wow! I can't believe I am agreeing with you.

If Iran is in fact supplying the insurgents, then I think strong dipl=

omatic

steps should be taken and Iran should have heavy sanctions put in pla=

ce.

If Iran is guilty of the charges Bush leveled, a tight trade embargo
against Iran needs to be put in place ASAP.

One thing I'm not is a liberal. That's a bad word.
What do you suggest? I don't think we should try to go to war with
Iran, I think it would be a disaster.
.

User: "David W. Barnes"
Title: Re: once a liar, always a liar.	15 Feb 2007 10:13:41 AM

In article <1171550044.782070.203620@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

On Feb 15, 1:44 am, "Bill Bonde ( Not endorsed by Hootia and the
Blowfish )" <tributyltinpa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Shawn Hirn wrote:

In article <bKGdnYU2WpfZT07YnZ2dnUVZ_qyjn...@comcast.com>,
"Osprey" <NoNeedtok...@mail.com> wrote:

"Bill Bonde ( Not endorsed by Hootia and the Blowfish )"
<tributyltinpa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:45D3C226.35779D70@yahoo.co.uk...

"james g. keegan jr." wrote:

łI can say with certainty that the Quds Force, a part of the Iranian
government, has provided these sophisticated I.E.D.šs that have
harmed our troops.˛
--Bush, today, at his press conference

once a liar, always a liar.

What does that make you? If Bush was wrong about 2002 and Iraq's WMDs
doesn't make him wrong about 2007 and Iran's IEDs. Your claim that it
does is, well, it's a lie.

I think, and I hope, that this time our government is patient and takes
the
time to get all the facts straight.

Wow! I can't believe I am agreeing with you.

If Iran is in fact supplying the insurgents, then I think strong
diplomatic
steps should be taken and Iran should have heavy sanctions put in place.

If Iran is guilty of the charges Bush leveled, a tight trade embargo
against Iran needs to be put in place ASAP.

One thing I'm not is a liberal. That's a bad word.

Mommy going to wash your mouth out with soap?
What you donšt get is you have been labeled by another Right Winger.
You donšt agree with him so you are now a łliberal.˛ He is YOU to a
large extent. He is Right Wing, very brave with the lives of others,
and ignorant. He is also a bigot. Feel dirty yet?

What do you suggest? I don't think we should try to go to war with
Iran, I think it would be a disaster.

Not like with Iraq.
.

User: "Bill Bonde Not endorsed by Hootia and the Blowfish"
Title: Re: once a liar, always a liar.	15 Feb 2007 11:46:15 AM

osprey wrote:

On Feb 15, 1:44 am, "Bill Bonde ( Not endorsed by Hootia and the
Blowfish )" <tributyltinpa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Shawn Hirn wrote:

In article <bKGdnYU2WpfZT07YnZ2dnUVZ_qyjn...@comcast.com>,
"Osprey" <NoNeedtok...@mail.com> wrote:

"Bill Bonde ( Not endorsed by Hootia and the Blowfish )"
<tributyltinpa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:45D3C226.35779D70@yahoo.co.uk...

"james g. keegan jr." wrote:

łI can say with certainty that the Quds Force, a part of the Iranian
government, has provided these sophisticated I.E.D.šs that have
harmed our troops.˛
--Bush, today, at his press conference

once a liar, always a liar.

What does that make you? If Bush was wrong about 2002 and Iraq's WMDs
doesn't make him wrong about 2007 and Iran's IEDs. Your claim that it
does is, well, it's a lie.

I think, and I hope, that this time our government is patient and takes the
time to get all the facts straight.

Wow! I can't believe I am agreeing with you.

If Iran is in fact supplying the insurgents, then I think strong diplomatic
steps should be taken and Iran should have heavy sanctions put in place.

If Iran is guilty of the charges Bush leveled, a tight trade embargo
against Iran needs to be put in place ASAP.

One thing I'm not is a liberal. That's a bad word.

What do you suggest? I don't think we should try to go to war with
Iran, I think it would be a disaster.

Going to war with Iran right now isn't really an option. It seems like a
lot of people can't remember even ten years ago. Sanctions have been
tried. They might work on a country like North Korea if you can keep
China on board due to the location of North Korea and the fact they've
got nothing they can sell except for missiles which might be monitored
more easily than crude oil, which Iran can sell to a number of states
surrounding it and out through the gulf.
--
Thus, if the problem of technological hopelessness is caused by absence
of care, both by technologists and anti-technologists; and if care and
Quality are external and internal aspects of the same thing, then it
follows that what really causes technological hopelessness is absence of
the perception of Quality in technologists and anti-technologists.
Robert Pirsig, "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance"
.

User: "Osprey"
Title: Re: once a liar, always a liar.	15 Feb 2007 12:10:09 PM

"Bill Bonde ( Not endorsed by Hootia and the Blowfish )"
<tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:45D49C67.2CC45C29@yahoo.co.uk...

osprey wrote:

On Feb 15, 1:44 am, "Bill Bonde ( Not endorsed by Hootia and the
Blowfish )" <tributyltinpa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Shawn Hirn wrote:

In article <bKGdnYU2WpfZT07YnZ2dnUVZ_qyjn...@comcast.com>,
"Osprey" <NoNeedtok...@mail.com> wrote:

"Bill Bonde ( Not endorsed by Hootia and the Blowfish )"
<tributyltinpa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:45D3C226.35779D70@yahoo.co.uk...

"james g. keegan jr." wrote:

łI can say with certainty that the Quds Force, a part of the
Iranian
government, has provided these sophisticated I.E.D.šs that have
harmed our troops.˛
--Bush, today, at his press conference

"The danger to our country is grave and it is growing. The Iraqi
regime possesses biological and chemical weapons, is rebuilding
the
facilities to make more and, according to the British
government,
could launch a biological or chemical attack in as little as 45
minutes after the order is given. The regime has long-standing
and
continuing ties to terrorist groups, and there are al Qaeda
terrorists inside Iraq. This regime is seeking a nuclear bomb,
and
with fissile material could build one within a year."
--Bush radio address, September 28, 2002

once a liar, always a liar.

What does that make you? If Bush was wrong about 2002 and Iraq's
WMDs
doesn't make him wrong about 2007 and Iran's IEDs. Your claim
that it
does is, well, it's a lie.

I think, and I hope, that this time our government is patient and
takes the
time to get all the facts straight.

Wow! I can't believe I am agreeing with you.

If Iran is in fact supplying the insurgents, then I think strong
diplomatic
steps should be taken and Iran should have heavy sanctions put in
place.

If Iran is guilty of the charges Bush leveled, a tight trade embargo
against Iran needs to be put in place ASAP.

Liberals are so naive. Sanctions don't work. First of all, unless you
get the Russians and the Chinese and the Europeans on board, it's
basically the US making its trade deficit worse. Secondly, consider how
Iran has plenty of something called oil that it can use to get around
any sanctions even if everyone claims to be on board. Third, the US and
others have already caught Iran supplying arms to terrorists, granted
that was just to kill Jews and counting that as "real" terrorism seems
a
bit of a stretch for some around here on the left.-

One thing I'm not is a liberal. That's a bad word.

What do you suggest? I don't think we should try to go to war with
Iran, I think it would be a disaster.

I absolutely agree,keeping China on board is essential.
What worries me is China is building up their military and that test they
did with destroying their own satellite.

--
Thus, if the problem of technological hopelessness is caused by absence
of care, both by technologists and anti-technologists; and if care and
Quality are external and internal aspects of the same thing, then it
follows that what really causes technological hopelessness is absence of
the perception of Quality in technologists and anti-technologists.
Robert Pirsig, "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance"

User: "james g. keegan jr."
Title: Re: once a liar, always a liar.	15 Feb 2007 12:53:10 PM

In article <8tadnQaG9JmcP0nYnZ2dnUVZ_tKjnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

What worries me is China is building up their military

really?
"Your statement is to be considered a lie until you
can prove it to be true."
"osprey" in <1161104485.981302.246...@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
since your statement is, by your own words, "considered a lie," why
don't you try to support it?
you could begin with the 60% military budget cuts following tieneman
square and make your argument from that.
illiterate imbecile.
.

User: "David W. Barnes"
Title: Re: once a liar, always a liar.	15 Feb 2007 07:53:11 PM

In article <8tadnQaG9JmcP0nYnZ2dnUVZ_tKjnZ2d@comcast.com>, Osprey
<NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

I absolutely agree,keeping China on board is essential.

What worries me is China is building up their military and that test they
did with destroying their own satellite.

But we are spread so thing playing war in Iraq, we have no options to
deal with it. And you voted for the guy.
.

User: "Osprey"
Title: Re: once a liar, always a liar.	15 Feb 2007 08:20:04 PM

"David W. Barnes" <yeahyeahyeah@yeah.com> wrote in message
news:150220071753116141%yeahyeahyeah@yeah.com...

In article <8tadnQaG9JmcP0nYnZ2dnUVZ_tKjnZ2d@comcast.com>, Osprey
<NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

I absolutely agree,keeping China on board is essential.

What worries me is China is building up their military and that test they
did with destroying their own satellite.

<snip>
.

User: "james g. keegan jr."
Title: Re: once a liar, always a liar.	15 Feb 2007 08:50:09 PM

In article <MPCdnWbv3rZJiUjYnZ2dnUVZ_oOonZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <yeahyeahyeah@yeah.com> wrote in message
news:150220071753116141%yeahyeahyeah@yeah.com...

In article <8tadnQaG9JmcP0nYnZ2dnUVZ_tKjnZ2d@comcast.com>, Osprey
<NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

I absolutely agree,keeping China on board is essential.

What worries me is China is building up their military and that test they
did with destroying their own satellite.

<snip>

wow. barnes scared osprey so much that osprey deleted what barnes
said that scared him so much.
osprey is like a little boy sitting in the corner with his eyes
closed thinking no one can see him.
.

User: "David W. Barnes"
Title: Re: once a liar, always a liar.	15 Feb 2007 08:27:09 PM

In article <MPCdnWbv3rZJiUjYnZ2dnUVZ_oOonZ2d@comcast.com>, Osprey
<NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <yeahyeahyeah@yeah.com> wrote in message
news:150220071753116141%yeahyeahyeah@yeah.com...

In article <8tadnQaG9JmcP0nYnZ2dnUVZ_tKjnZ2d@comcast.com>, Osprey
<NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

I absolutely agree,keeping China on board is essential.

What worries me is China is building up their military and that test they
did with destroying their own satellite.

<snip>

LOL!! Cut and run, Osprey (Pictured at
http://chiefinstigator.us.tt/spud.php )
.

User: "Osprey"
Title: Re: once a liar, always a liar.	15 Feb 2007 09:05:19 PM

"David W. Barnes" <yeahyeahyeah@yeah.com> wrote in message
news:150220071827092329%yeahyeahyeah@yeah.com...

In article <MPCdnWbv3rZJiUjYnZ2dnUVZ_oOonZ2d@comcast.com>, Osprey
<NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <yeahyeahyeah@yeah.com> wrote in message
news:150220071753116141%yeahyeahyeah@yeah.com...

In article <8tadnQaG9JmcP0nYnZ2dnUVZ_tKjnZ2d@comcast.com>, Osprey
<NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

I absolutely agree,keeping China on board is essential.

What worries me is China is building up their military and that test
they
did with destroying their own satellite.

<snip>

<snip>
It's got nothing to do with "cut-n-run", it's more about...I don't care
about anything you have to say.
.

User: "james g. keegan jr."
Title: Re: once a liar, always a liar.	15 Feb 2007 09:25:09 PM

In article <GK6dnVOVNpftgkjYnZ2dnUVZ_hynnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <yeahyeahyeah@yeah.com> wrote in message
news:150220071827092329%yeahyeahyeah@yeah.com...

In article <MPCdnWbv3rZJiUjYnZ2dnUVZ_oOonZ2d@comcast.com>, Osprey
<NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <yeahyeahyeah@yeah.com> wrote in message
news:150220071753116141%yeahyeahyeah@yeah.com...

In article <8tadnQaG9JmcP0nYnZ2dnUVZ_tKjnZ2d@comcast.com>, Osprey
<NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

I absolutely agree,keeping China on board is essential.

What worries me is China is building up their military and that test
they
did with destroying their own satellite.

<snip>

<snip>

It's got nothing to do with "cut-n-run",

of course it doesn't. that why what he posts scares you so much you
delete it.
*heh*
.

User: "David W. Barnes"
Title: Re: once a liar, always a liar.	16 Feb 2007 09:59:57 AM

In article <jgkeegan-1E2491.22250915022007@individual.net>, james g.
keegan jr. <jgkeegan@gmail.com> wrote:

In article <GK6dnVOVNpftgkjYnZ2dnUVZ_hynnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <yeahyeahyeah@yeah.com> wrote in message
news:150220071827092329%yeahyeahyeah@yeah.com...

In article <MPCdnWbv3rZJiUjYnZ2dnUVZ_oOonZ2d@comcast.com>, Osprey
<NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <yeahyeahyeah@yeah.com> wrote in message
news:150220071753116141%yeahyeahyeah@yeah.com...

In article <8tadnQaG9JmcP0nYnZ2dnUVZ_tKjnZ2d@comcast.com>, Osprey
<NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

I absolutely agree,keeping China on board is essential.

What worries me is China is building up their military and that test
they
did with destroying their own satellite.

<snip>

<snip>

It's got nothing to do with "cut-n-run",

of course it doesn't. that why what he posts scares you so much you
delete it.

*heh*

I pushed him over the edge again.
.

User: "Osprey"
Title: Re: once a liar, always a liar.	16 Feb 2007 10:06:17 AM

"David W. Barnes" <yeahyeahyeah@yeah.com> wrote in message
news:160220070759573663%yeahyeahyeah@yeah.com...

In article <jgkeegan-1E2491.22250915022007@individual.net>, james g.
keegan jr. <jgkeegan@gmail.com> wrote:

In article <GK6dnVOVNpftgkjYnZ2dnUVZ_hynnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <yeahyeahyeah@yeah.com> wrote in message
news:150220071827092329%yeahyeahyeah@yeah.com...

In article <MPCdnWbv3rZJiUjYnZ2dnUVZ_oOonZ2d@comcast.com>, Osprey
<NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <yeahyeahyeah@yeah.com> wrote in message
news:150220071753116141%yeahyeahyeah@yeah.com...

In article <8tadnQaG9JmcP0nYnZ2dnUVZ_tKjnZ2d@comcast.com>, Osprey
<NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

I absolutely agree,keeping China on board is essential.

What worries me is China is building up their military and that
test
they
did with destroying their own satellite.

<snip>

<snip>

It's got nothing to do with "cut-n-run",

of course it doesn't. that why what he posts scares you so much you
delete it.

*heh*

I pushed him over the edge again.

Oh? Was that before or after you retreated?
.

User: "David W. Barnes"
Title: Re: once a liar, always a liar.	16 Feb 2007 10:38:04 AM

In article <RdGdnetz2O3kS0jYnZ2dnUVZ_oKnnZ2d@comcast.com>, Osprey
<NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> wrote: