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"Tleilax" |
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04 Oct 2006 07:28:40 PM |
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one abortion a second |
EACH year over thirty million abortions are performed throughout the
world. That is about one abortion for every second of each day all year
long.
Iin recent years many countries have passed more permissive abortion
laws. In some places there are very few restrictions, meaning that the
legal policy is 'abortion on demand.' Some authorities predict that
most countries will eventually adopt this attitude. In India killing
unborn girls is an accepted practice.
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| User: "Dr Nancys Sweetie" |
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| Title: Re: one abortion a second |
13 Oct 2006 04:33:08 PM |
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I wrote:
If you have [ unsafe sex with an inappropriate partner ]
and spread or get AIDS, then it's your fault.
"Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net>" asked:
Is that a crime people should die for?
I don't think it's a crime. It's a mistake.
People die for their mistakes all the time. They get hit by cars,
they drink too much, they monkey with electrical equipment they aren't
certified to work on, they take the wrong medicine, and kill themselves
in 1000 other ways.
I don't think they "should" die for any of these mistakes. But I do
think that if you lose control of your car because you were driving too
fast, the resulting crash is your fault. The action doesn't mean you
deserve to die, but as Gandalf said, "many who die deserve life".
If you're really uptight about condoms and the AIDS fight, going on
about the Vatican is stupid. Their recommendations, if followed, would
stop the spread of HIV overnight.
The people to get uptight about are the anti-science whackjobs, such
as South Africa's former Deputy President Jacob Zuma. He's the guy who
was on trial for raping an HIV-positive woman. He didn't wear a condom,
and he explained that he reduced his chances of infection by taking a
shower afterwards.
If you want to complain about someone not helping in the fight against
HIV, people like Zuma are a far more important target than the Vatican.
Darren Provine ! ! http://www.rowan.edu/~kilroy
"Dog Bites, lead-based paint, slip and fall, chemical exposure, faulty
breast implants, dangerous drugs, unsafe tools, AIDS. Join our happy
family of satisfied clients." (taken from a lawyer's advertisement)
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: one abortion a second |
14 Oct 2006 01:26:23 AM |
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Dr Nancy's Sweetie <kilroy@elvis.rowan.edu> wrote:
I wrote:
If you have [ unsafe sex with an inappropriate partner ]
and spread or get AIDS, then it's your fault.
"Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net>" asked:
Is that a crime people should die for?
I don't think it's a crime. It's a mistake.
"it's your fault."
People die for their mistakes all the time. They get hit by cars,
they drink too much, they monkey with electrical equipment they aren't
certified to work on, they take the wrong medicine, and kill themselves
in 1000 other ways.
I don't think they "should" die for any of these mistakes. But I do
think that if you lose control of your car because you were driving too
fast, the resulting crash is your fault.
And should people die for THAT mistake?
The action doesn't mean you
deserve to die, but as Gandalf said, "many who die deserve life".
So we shouldn't bother trying to save people?
If you're really uptight about condoms and the AIDS fight, going on
about the Vatican is stupid.
The Vatican's policies kill more people than any other single group.
Their recommendations, if followed, would
stop the spread of HIV overnight.
"Don't die and you'll live forever!"
The point your trying to avoid is that the pope's demands are
unrealistic, go contrary to natural human behavior, and are IMMORAL
because they result in millions of people DYING.
Quit making excuses.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Dr Nancys Sweetie" |
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14 Oct 2006 08:08:15 AM |
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"Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net>" wrote:
The point your trying to avoid is that the pope's demands are
unrealistic, go contrary to natural human behavior, and are IMMORAL
because they result in millions of people DYING.
What do you think would happen if the Pope said "Condoms are okay"? Do
you think people who don't wear them now would start? Do you honestly
believe that the only reason people don't wear condoms is because of
what the Pope says?
The Vatican has no position on seatbelts, so far as I know, and still
some people only wear them because the law demands it. It's not the
Pope keeping people from wearing seatbelts or motorcycle helmets.
Some people just don't like it when cultural Nannies nag them into
playing it safe. The Nannies have nagged about seatbelts and helmets,
and been ignored. Now the Nannies are going on about condoms. Many
people didn't wear the helmets, didn't wear the seatbelts, and they
won't wear the condoms.
Jacob Zuma and people like him have unsafe sex because they don't like
condoms. They know the risks, and that knowledge doesn't change their
behaviour.
If knowing that they might die doesn't change their behaviour, what
makes you think a thumbs-up from the Pope would make any difference?
Darren Provine ! ! http://www.rowan.edu/~kilroy
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: one abortion a second |
14 Oct 2006 11:42:10 AM |
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Dr Nancy's Sweetie <kilroy@elvis.rowan.edu> wrote:
"Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net>" wrote:
The point your trying to avoid is that the pope's demands are
unrealistic, go contrary to natural human behavior, and are IMMORAL
because they result in millions of people DYING.
What do you think would happen if the Pope said "Condoms are okay"?
More people would use them.
Do
you think people who don't wear them now would start?
Yes.
Do you honestly
believe that the only reason people don't wear condoms is because of
what the Pope says?
Yes.
The Vatican has no position on seatbelts, so far as I know, and still
some people only wear them because the law demands it.
And if the pope did have a position against seatbelts then fewer people
would wear them.
It's not the
Pope keeping people from wearing seatbelts or motorcycle helmets.
Because, as you wrote, "the Vatican has no position on seatbelts".
Some people just don't like it when cultural Nannies nag them into
playing it safe.
"Cultural Nannies" like the pope.
Quit making excuses.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Dr Nancys Sweetie" |
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14 Oct 2006 12:19:58 PM |
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"Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net>" wrote, well, more of that stuff he
writes.
So let me ask a question to see if there's any hope at all for any kind
of discussion: if somebody rides a motorcycle without a helmet, and
suffers a head injury, is it his fault?
If Bob knows he's HIV-positive, and he has has sex with Mary, and she
later finds out she's HIV-positive too, should Mary say "Darn that Pope
for giving me this illness" ? What excuses do you make for Bob so that
Mary's illness isn't Bob's fault?
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You have blamed the Pope exclusively for the spread of HIV. Not once
have you named anyone else. Not once have you said anything at all like
"Of course those having unsafe sex bear some of the responsibility", or
anything like it.
If it is truly your position that people who engage in unsafe acts are
not responsible for the result, then we have nothing to talk about.
If that's not your position, how is it you have yet to mention their
culpability even once?
You keep saying "quit making excuses" -- but you have done nothing BUT
make excuses for the entire thread. When I said that someone who does
something is responsible for the results, you said I was a religious
bigot to think that way.
So far as we know, the Pope doesn't have HIV. Even if he did, he has no
known sex partners and thus hasn't spread it to anyone else. But you
keep condemning the Pope for the problem.
The ones actually spreading HIV to other partners are the people having
unsafe sex. But instead of condemning the people infecting their
partners, you condemn the Pope and make excuses for the people who are
actually out there having sex and infecting their partners.
Why is that?
Darren Provine ! ! http://www.rowan.edu/~kilroy
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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15 Oct 2006 05:24:23 PM |
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Dr Nancy's Sweetie <kilroy@elvis.rowan.edu> wrote:
"Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net>" wrote, well, more of that stuff he
writes.
So let me ask a question to see if there's any hope at all for any kind
of discussion: if somebody rides a motorcycle without a helmet, and
suffers a head injury, is it his fault?
You seem to be more concerned with assigning blame than you care about
people's lives. If all you are going to do is try and justify the
church's immorality then there is indeed little to discuss.
[...]
You have blamed the Pope exclusively for the spread of HIV.
That is a lie.
Not once
have you named anyone else.
You haven't denied murdering children - can assume that you are a
murderer?
[...]
You keep saying "quit making excuses" -- but you have done nothing BUT
make excuses for the entire thread.
That's another lie.
When I said that someone who does
something is responsible for the results, you said I was a religious
bigot to think that way.
That's a third lie.
So far as we know, the Pope doesn't have HIV.
Maybe if he did he'd show some compassion.
Even if he did, he has no
known sex partners and thus hasn't spread it to anyone else. But you
keep condemning the Pope for the problem.
The pope demands policies which kill people.
The ones actually spreading HIV to other partners are the people having
unsafe sex.
You care more about punishing sex than you care about people's
lives. No wonder you're a liar if you have such poot morals.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Dr Nancys Sweetie" |
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16 Oct 2006 02:52:41 PM |
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"Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net>" wrote:
You seem to be more concerned with assigning blame than you care about
people's lives.
I thought assigning blame was the entire point of your participation;
you keep saying things such as this:
The Vatican's policies kill more people than any other single group.
If you're not out to assign blame, what is that sentence for?
You've made it clear that you assign some blame to the Vatican, a
position I don't consider entirely unreasonable. But do you assign ALL
the blame to the Vatican, or do you see others (such as Jacob Zuma) who
may also share in the responsibility?
And if you don't care to assign blame, why mention the Vatican or the
Pope at all?
Darren Provine ! ! http://www.rowan.edu/~kilroy
"For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat,
and wrong." -- H.L. Mencken
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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16 Oct 2006 11:47:01 PM |
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Dr Nancy's Sweetie <kilroy@elvis.rowan.edu> wrote:
"Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net>" wrote:
You seem to be more concerned with assigning blame than you care about
people's lives.
I thought assigning blame was the entire point of your participation;
Apparently you don't think at all.
The Vatican's policies kill more people than any other single group.
If you're not out to assign blame, what is that sentence for?
To keep people from dying.
*****, jst how stupid are you?
You've made it clear that you assign some blame to the Vatican, a
position I don't consider entirely unreasonable.
You prefer to see people die?
But do you assign ALL
the blame to the Vatican, or do you see others (such as Jacob Zuma) who
may also share in the responsibility?
The pope's edicts are the cause of more people dying of AIDS than
any other person.
And if you don't care to assign blame, why mention the Vatican or the
Pope at all?
Are all you religious nuts so brainwashed?
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "osprey" |
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15 Oct 2006 05:32:07 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
Dr Nancy's Sweetie <kilroy@elvis.rowan.edu> wrote:
"Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net>" wrote, well, more of that stuff he
writes.
So let me ask a question to see if there's any hope at all for any kind
of discussion: if somebody rides a motorcycle without a helmet, and
suffers a head injury, is it his fault?
You seem to be more concerned with assigning blame than you care about
people's lives. If all you are going to do is try and justify the
church's immorality then there is indeed little to discuss.
You were asked you a question, you ran away from giving an answer.
[...]
You have blamed the Pope exclusively for the spread of HIV.
That is a lie.
You seem to be more concerned with calling anyone you don't agree with
a liar. Meanwhile, you were asked you a question.
Not once
have you named anyone else.
You haven't denied murdering children - can assume that you are a
murderer?
You haven't denied murdering children either, can we assume that you
are a murderer?
You haven't denied molesting children either, can we assume you are a
phedophile?
[...]
You keep saying "quit making excuses" -- but you have done nothing BUT
make excuses for the entire thread.
That's another lie.
You still haven't answered the question.
When I said that someone who does
something is responsible for the results, you said I was a religious
bigot to think that way.
That's a third lie.
So far as we know, the Pope doesn't have HIV.
Maybe if he did he'd show some compassion.
Even if he did, he has no
known sex partners and thus hasn't spread it to anyone else. But you
keep condemning the Pope for the problem.
The pope demands policies which kill people.
The ones actually spreading HIV to other partners are the people having
unsafe sex.
You care more about punishing sex than you care about people's
lives. No wonder you're a liar if you have such poot morals.
Who said anything about punishing "sex"? The only one who said
anything at all about punishing "sex", is you.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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| Title: Re: one abortion a second |
15 Oct 2006 06:46:53 PM |
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In article <1160951527.522204.205330@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
You seem to be more concerned with assigning blame than you care about
people's lives. If all you are going to do is try and justify the
church's immorality then there is indeed little to discuss.
You were asked you a question
please ask someone who is a native english speaker to help you repost
that saying whatever it was you wanted to say.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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15 Oct 2006 06:04:29 PM |
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osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Dr Nancy's Sweetie <kilroy@elvis.rowan.edu> wrote:
"Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net>" wrote, well, more of that stuff he
writes.
So let me ask a question to see if there's any hope at all for any kind
of discussion: if somebody rides a motorcycle without a helmet, and
suffers a head injury, is it his fault?
You seem to be more concerned with assigning blame than you care about
people's lives. If all you are going to do is try and justify the
church's immorality then there is indeed little to discuss.
You were asked you a question, you ran away from giving an answer.
Stop lying about people, *****.
You have blamed the Pope exclusively for the spread of HIV.
That is a lie.
You seem to be more concerned with calling anyone you don't agree with
You're more interesting in lying about people than anything else.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "osprey" |
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15 Oct 2006 08:52:52 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Dr Nancy's Sweetie <kilroy@elvis.rowan.edu> wrote:
"Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net>" wrote, well, more of that stuff he
writes.
So let me ask a question to see if there's any hope at all for any kind
of discussion: if somebody rides a motorcycle without a helmet, and
suffers a head injury, is it his fault?
You seem to be more concerned with assigning blame than you care about
people's lives. If all you are going to do is try and justify the
church's immorality then there is indeed little to discuss.
You were asked you a question, you ran away from giving an answer.
Stop lying about people, *****.
The question that you were asked was, "somebody rides a motorcycle
without a helmet, and
suffers a head injury, is it his fault?"
What's your answer?
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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15 Oct 2006 09:22:46 PM |
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osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Dr Nancy's Sweetie <kilroy@elvis.rowan.edu> wrote:
"Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net>" wrote, well, more of that stuff he
writes.
So let me ask a question to see if there's any hope at all for any kind
of discussion: if somebody rides a motorcycle without a helmet, and
suffers a head injury, is it his fault?
You seem to be more concerned with assigning blame than you care about
people's lives. If all you are going to do is try and justify the
church's immorality then there is indeed little to discuss.
You were asked you a question, you ran away from giving an answer.
Stop lying about people, *****.
The question that you were asked was, "somebody rides a motorcycle
I see you're playing your usual games again rather than take
responsibility for your lying. It's why everybody treats you
like a joke. Like a pathetic control freak.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "osprey" |
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16 Oct 2006 12:55:05 AM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Dr Nancy's Sweetie <kilroy@elvis.rowan.edu> wrote:
"Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net>" wrote, well, more of that stuff he
writes.
So let me ask a question to see if there's any hope at all for any kind
of discussion: if somebody rides a motorcycle without a helmet, and
suffers a head injury, is it his fault?
You seem to be more concerned with assigning blame than you care about
people's lives. If all you are going to do is try and justify the
church's immorality then there is indeed little to discuss.
You were asked you a question, you ran away from giving an answer.
Stop lying about people, *****.
The question that you were asked was, "somebody rides a motorcycle
I see you're playing your usual games again rather than take
responsibility for your lying. It's why everybody treats you
like a joke. Like a pathetic control freak.
I see you're playing your usual game again rather than take
responsibility for your lying and cowardness.
You were asked a question, are you going to answer it or not?
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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16 Oct 2006 01:17:16 AM |
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"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
Ray Fischer wrote:
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Dr Nancy's Sweetie <kilroy@elvis.rowan.edu> wrote:
"Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net>" wrote, well, more of that stuff he
writes.
So let me ask a question to see if there's any hope at all for any
kind of discussion: if somebody rides a motorcycle without a helmet,
and suffers a head injury, is it his fault?
You seem to be more concerned with assigning blame than you care about
people's lives. If all you are going to do is try and justify the
church's immorality then there is indeed little to discuss.
You were asked you a question, you ran away from giving an answer.
Stop lying about people, *****.
The question that you were asked was, "somebody rides a motorcycle
I see you're playing your usual games again rather than take
responsibility for your lying. It's why everybody treats you
like a joke. Like a pathetic control freak.
I see you're playing your usual game again rather than take
responsibility for your lying and cowardness.
Too bad your alleged education hasn't enabled you to understand basic English
any better. ("cowardice" is what you're looking for, but what do I know? I
didn't go to a "college" that'll award degrees to anyone who put up the
money.)
You were asked a question, are you going to answer it or not?
Normal people tend to learn from experience...you've failed at this tactic
ever since you first oozed into Usenet. That says something that you'd rather
not deal with.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: San Antonio 5, Houston 4 (SO) (October 15)
NEXT GAME: Friday, October 20 at Grand Rapids, 6:05
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: one abortion a second |
16 Oct 2006 01:37:19 AM |
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osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Dr Nancy's Sweetie <kilroy@elvis.rowan.edu> wrote:
"Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net>" wrote, well, more of that stuff he
writes.
So let me ask a question to see if there's any hope at all for any kind
of discussion: if somebody rides a motorcycle without a helmet, and
suffers a head injury, is it his fault?
You seem to be more concerned with assigning blame than you care about
people's lives. If all you are going to do is try and justify the
church's immorality then there is indeed little to discuss.
You were asked you a question, you ran away from giving an answer.
Stop lying about people, *****.
The question that you were asked was, "somebody rides a motorcycle
I see you're playing your usual games again rather than take
responsibility for your lying. It's why everybody treats you
like a joke. Like a pathetic control freak.
I see you're playing your usual game again rather than take
LOL! "I know you are but what am I?"
Grow UP, *****.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Sylvia R. Dickinson" |
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| Title: Re: one abortion a second |
16 Oct 2006 03:23:20 PM |
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osprey wrote:
I see you're playing your usual game again rather than take
responsibility for your lying and cowardness.
When will you take responsibility for your failed education?
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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16 Oct 2006 06:42:31 PM |
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"Sylvia R. Dickinson" <sylviadickinson@bluebottle.com> writes:
osprey wrote:
I see you're playing your usual game again rather than take
responsibility for your lying and cowardness.
When will you take responsibility for your failed education?
About the same time that he takes responsibility for his tactic of looking up
criminal records of those with names -similar- to whoever his obsession du
jour is.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: San Antonio 5, Houston 4 (SO) (October 15)
NEXT GAME: Friday, October 20 at Grand Rapids, 6:05
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| User: "rj" |
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14 Oct 2006 12:27:23 PM |
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On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 17:19:58 +0000 (UTC), Dr Nancy's Sweetie
<> wrote:
"Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net>" wrote, well, more of that stuff he
writes.
So let me ask a question to see if there's any hope at all for any kind
of discussion: if somebody rides a motorcycle without a helmet, and
suffers a head injury, is it his fault?
(snip)
The ones actually spreading HIV to other partners are the people having
unsafe sex. But instead of condemning the people infecting their
partners, you condemn the Pope and make excuses for the people who are
actually out there having sex and infecting their partners.
Why is that?
Darren Provine ! ! http://www.rowan.edu/~kilroy
I don't think that you've encountered a truly sane individual.
Rather, I think that you have encountered a maroon, madly riding his
favorite hobby-horse,
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| User: "Gilbertus Albans" |
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15 Oct 2006 05:36:28 AM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
Dr Nancy's Sweetie <kilroy@elvis.rowan.edu> wrote:
"Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net>" wrote:
The point your trying to avoid is that the pope's demands are
unrealistic, go contrary to natural human behavior, and are IMMORAL
because they result in millions of people DYING.
What do you think would happen if the Pope said "Condoms are okay"?
More people would use them.
Do
you think people who don't wear them now would start?
Yes.
Do you honestly
believe that the only reason people don't wear condoms is because of
what the Pope says?
Yes.
The Vatican has no position on seatbelts, so far as I know, and still
some people only wear them because the law demands it.
And if the pope did have a position against seatbelts then fewer people
would wear them.
It's not the
Pope keeping people from wearing seatbelts or motorcycle helmets.
Because, as you wrote, "the Vatican has no position on seatbelts".
Some people just don't like it when cultural Nannies nag them into
playing it safe.
"Cultural Nannies" like the pope.
Quit making excuses.
And if the Pope said: " Don't fornicate, wait until marriage to have
sex," they will listen to him?
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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15 Oct 2006 05:25:26 PM |
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Gilbertus Albans <primemenstat@world.net> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Dr Nancy's Sweetie <kilroy@elvis.rowan.edu> wrote:
"Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net>" wrote:
The point your trying to avoid is that the pope's demands are
unrealistic, go contrary to natural human behavior, and are IMMORAL
because they result in millions of people DYING.
What do you think would happen if the Pope said "Condoms are okay"?
More people would use them.
Do
you think people who don't wear them now would start?
Yes.
Do you honestly
believe that the only reason people don't wear condoms is because of
what the Pope says?
Yes.
The Vatican has no position on seatbelts, so far as I know, and still
some people only wear them because the law demands it.
And if the pope did have a position against seatbelts then fewer people
would wear them.
It's not the
Pope keeping people from wearing seatbelts or motorcycle helmets.
Because, as you wrote, "the Vatican has no position on seatbelts".
Some people just don't like it when cultural Nannies nag them into
playing it safe.
"Cultural Nannies" like the pope.
Quit making excuses.
And if the Pope said: " Don't fornicate, wait until marriage to have
sex," they will listen to him?
Why shouldn't anybody listen to some judgemental old hypocrites who
don't know anything about sex and marriage?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Gilbertus Albans" |
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| Title: Re: one abortion a second |
15 Oct 2006 07:19:05 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
Quit making excuses.
And if the Pope said: " Don't fornicate, wait until marriage to have
sex," they will listen to him?
Why shouldn't anybody listen to some judgemental old hypocrites who
don't know anything about sex and marriage?
uh ok, and the answer to my question was?
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: one abortion a second |
15 Oct 2006 09:24:44 PM |
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Gilbertus Albans <primemenstat@world.net> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Quit making excuses.
And if the Pope said: " Don't fornicate, wait until marriage to have
sex," they will listen to him?
Why should anybody listen to some judgemental old hypocrites who
don't know anything about sex and marriage?
uh ok, and the answer to my question was?
Figure it out, halfwit.
If we threw everybody into prison and forced the work to live under an
oppressive dictatorship then AIDS wouldn't be an issue. Liberty has its
price. If you don't like it then YOU live in a dictatorship. I refuse to.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "--sexkitten--" |
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| Title: Re: one abortion a second |
15 Oct 2006 10:03:45 PM |
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Gilbertus Albans wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Quit making excuses.
And if the Pope said: " Don't fornicate, wait until marriage to have
sex," they will listen to him?
Why shouldn't anybody listen to some judgemental old hypocrites who
don't know anything about sex and marriage?
uh ok, and the answer to my question was?
The answer was, many do listen but shouldn't. Old male virgins(?) in
dresses should not be giving instruction on sex. Or anything else.
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--sexkitten--
Other than telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest,
educate our children and, now, die, I think the Republicans have done a
fine job of getting government out of our personal lives.
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| User: "--sexkitten--" |
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| Title: Re: one abortion a second |
15 Oct 2006 05:53:05 AM |
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Gilbertus Albans wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Dr Nancy's Sweetie <kilroy@elvis.rowan.edu> wrote:
"Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net>" wrote:
The point your trying to avoid is that the pope's demands are
unrealistic, go contrary to natural human behavior, and are IMMORAL
because they result in millions of people DYING.
What do you think would happen if the Pope said "Condoms are okay"?
More people would use them.
Do
you think people who don't wear them now would start?
Yes.
Do you honestly
believe that the only reason people don't wear condoms is because of
what the Pope says?
Yes.
The Vatican has no position on seatbelts, so far as I know, and still
some people only wear them because the law demands it.
And if the pope did have a position against seatbelts then fewer people
would wear them.
It's not the
Pope keeping people from wearing seatbelts or motorcycle helmets.
Because, as you wrote, "the Vatican has no position on seatbelts".
Some people just don't like it when cultural Nannies nag them into
playing it safe.
"Cultural Nannies" like the pope.
Quit making excuses.
And if the Pope said: " Don't fornicate, wait until marriage to have
sex," they will listen to him?
Many do.
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--sexkitten--
Other than telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest,
educate our children and, now, die, I think the Republicans have done a
fine job of getting government out of our personal lives.
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| User: "Zentradi" |
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| Title: Re: one abortion a second |
15 Oct 2006 06:10:08 AM |
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--sexkitten-- wrote:
And if the Pope said: " Don't fornicate, wait until marriage to have
sex," they will listen to him?
Many do.
The those who don't must live with the consequences of thier actions.
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| User: "Doug Anderson" |
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| Title: Re: one abortion a second |
14 Oct 2006 10:40:09 AM |
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Dr Nancy's Sweetie <kilroy@elvis.rowan.edu> writes:
"Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net>" wrote:
The point your trying to avoid is that the pope's demands are
unrealistic, go contrary to natural human behavior, and are IMMORAL
because they result in millions of people DYING.
What do you think would happen if the Pope said "Condoms are okay"? Do
you think people who don't wear them now would start? Do you honestly
believe that the only reason people don't wear condoms is because of
what the Pope says?
This is a good question.
My wife grew up in a catholic neighborhood. All of her high school
friends were in italian catholic or irish catholic families. They
knew they weren't supposed to have premarital sex because it was
against their religion. And yet they all _did_ but they didn't admit
to themselves they were going to do it until they _were_ doing it. So
they didn't plan, and they didn't use birth control, and a number of
them ended up getting abortions.
Could this have been different if the attitude of their religious
authority figurews was "don't have sex until you are ready, and when
you do have sex make sure you use birth control?"
Quite possibly.
Did the pope's position affect them in a negative way? Yes. Does it
affect everyone? No.
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| User: "Gilbertus Albans" |
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| Title: Re: one abortion a second |
15 Oct 2006 05:34:15 AM |
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Dr Nancy's Sweetie wrote:
"Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net>" wrote:
The point your trying to avoid is that the pope's demands are
unrealistic, go contrary to natural human behavior, and are IMMORAL
because they result in millions of people DYING.
What do you think would happen if the Pope said "Condoms are okay"? Do
you think people who don't wear them now would start? Do you honestly
believe that the only reason people don't wear condoms is because of
what the Pope says?
The Pope doesn't allow condoms is a poor excuse. Just like abortion is
good for rape is a poor excuse.
These excuses are created by people to alliviate their ill trained
conscious to begin with.
People want to fornicate and don't want the responsibility that comes
with their actions, whether it be a an STD or pregnancy.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: one abortion a second |
15 Oct 2006 05:27:21 PM |
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Gilbertus Albans <primemenstat@world.net> wrote:
Dr Nancy's Sweetie wrote:
"Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net>" wrote:
The point your trying to avoid is that the pope's demands are
unrealistic, go contrary to natural human behavior, and are IMMORAL
because they result in millions of people DYING.
What do you think would happen if the Pope said "Condoms are okay"? Do
you think people who don't wear them now would start? Do you honestly
believe that the only reason people don't wear condoms is because of
what the Pope says?
The Pope doesn't allow condoms is a poor excuse. Just like abortion is
good for rape is a poor excuse.
Religious zealots hate freedom. Their way or death are the only
acceptable options.
These excuses are created by people to alliviate their ill trained
conscious to begin with.
People want to fornicate and don't want the responsibility that comes
with their actions, whether it be a an STD or pregnancy.
You anti-sex preverts have been so corrupted by your hatred of people
that you would rather see people dead than free to have sex safely.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "osprey" |
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| Title: Re: one abortion a second |
15 Oct 2006 05:33:24 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
Gilbertus Albans <primemenstat@world.net> wrote:
Dr Nancy's Sweetie wrote:
"Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net>" wrote:
The point your trying to avoid is that the pope's demands are
unrealistic, go contrary to natural human behavior, and are IMMORAL
because they result in millions of people DYING.
What do you think would happen if the Pope said "Condoms are okay"? Do
you think people who don't wear them now would start? Do you honestly
believe that the only reason people don't wear condoms is because of
what the Pope says?
The Pope doesn't allow condoms is a poor excuse. Just like abortion is
good for rape is a poor excuse.
Religious zealots hate freedom. Their way or death are the only
acceptable options.
Do you have supporting evidence?
These excuses are created by people to alliviate their ill trained
conscious to begin with.
People want to fornicate and don't want the responsibility that comes
with their actions, whether it be a an STD or pregnancy.
You anti-sex preverts
Who is anti-sex?
You haven't denied being a "pervert", maybe you are the pervert and
hide behind it in the newsgroup.
have been so corrupted by your hatred of people
that you would rather see people dead than free to have sex safely.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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