| Topic: |
Science > Abortion |
| User: |
"Tleilax" |
| Date: |
04 Oct 2006 07:28:40 PM |
| Object: |
one abortion a second |
EACH year over thirty million abortions are performed throughout the
world. That is about one abortion for every second of each day all year
long.
Iin recent years many countries have passed more permissive abortion
laws. In some places there are very few restrictions, meaning that the
legal policy is 'abortion on demand.' Some authorities predict that
most countries will eventually adopt this attitude. In India killing
unborn girls is an accepted practice.
.
|
|
| User: "Lizzardwoman" |
|
| Title: Re: one abortion a second |
04 Oct 2006 07:37:02 PM |
|
|
"Tleilax" <zodriol@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1160008120.698321.30930@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
| EACH year over thirty million abortions are performed throughout the
| world. That is about one abortion for every second of each day all year
| long.
|
| Iin recent years many countries have passed more permissive abortion
| laws. In some places there are very few restrictions, meaning that the
| legal policy is 'abortion on demand.' Some authorities predict that
| most countries will eventually adopt this attitude. In India killing
| unborn girls is an accepted practice.
How many abortions do you think could be avoided if the Catholic Church
stopped their criminally insane policy against contraception?
How many millions less people would die of AIDS in sub-Saharan Africa if
Catholic missionaries stopped preaching their genocidally stupid no-condoms
policy?
Just asking.
--
sharon, aa #2153
"(of creationism) ... Only apocryphal tales told by goat herders around the
campfire after it became too dark to continue to molest their charges." --
TvG (Rec.Equestrian, 2003)
.
|
|
|
| User: "madMental" |
|
| Title: Re: one abortion a second |
05 Oct 2006 08:35:21 AM |
|
|
"Tleilax" <zodriol@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1160008120.698321.30930@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
| EACH year over thirty million abortions are performed throughout the
| world. That is about one abortion for every second of each day all year
| long.
|
| Iin recent years many countries have passed more permissive abortion
| laws. In some places there are very few restrictions, meaning that the
| legal policy is 'abortion on demand.' Some authorities predict that
| most countries will eventually adopt this attitude. In India killing
| unborn girls is an accepted practice.
How many abortions do you think could be avoided if the Catholic Church
stopped their criminally insane policy against contraception?
How many millions less people would die of AIDS in sub-Saharan Africa if
Catholic missionaries stopped preaching their genocidally stupid
no-condoms
policy?
Just asking.
.
|
|
|
| User: "=?iso-8859-1?B?fiBT5GJs6yB+?=" |
|
| Title: Re: one abortion a second |
05 Oct 2006 02:47:37 PM |
|
|
"madMental" <mm@mentalmail.ru> wrote in message
news:tS7Vg.11493$6S3.7712@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
How many abortions do you think could be avoided if the Catholic Church
stopped their criminally insane policy against contraception?
How many millions less people would die of AIDS in sub-Saharan Africa if
Catholic missionaries stopped preaching their genocidally stupid
no-condoms
policy?
Jehovah's Witnesses don't allow abortion either but do allow birth-control.
Too many children hinders the uncompensated work they are required to do for
the Watchtower Society.
--
SA....
"Thou seest the mote in thy non-JW brother's eye, but thou seest not the
beam
in thine own JW eye. When thou castest the beam out of thine own JW eye,
then wilt thou see clearly to cast the mote from thy non-JW brother's eye."
~~ * ~~ * ~~ * ~~ * ~~ * ~~ * ~~ * ~~ * ~~ * ~~ * ~~ * ~~ ~~ * ~~
.
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "Tleilax" |
|
| Title: Re: one abortion a second |
04 Oct 2006 07:51:21 PM |
|
|
Lizzardwoman wrote:
How many abortions do you think could be avoided if the Catholic Church
stopped their criminally insane policy against contraception?
How many millions less people would die of AIDS in sub-Saharan Africa if
Catholic missionaries stopped preaching their genocidally stupid no-condoms
policy?
Just asking.
Most countries still have strict abortion laws, considering it legal
for very few reasons, such as when the life of the mother is endangered
by continued pregnancy. Abortions for reasons not approved by the law
of the land are considered illegal. They may not be performed in
approved hospitals. So they are often performed by persons who are not
well qualified, under substandard conditions.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Lizzardwoman" |
|
| Title: Re: one abortion a second |
04 Oct 2006 08:02:32 PM |
|
|
"Tleilax" <zodriol@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1160009481.033043.322580@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
|
| Lizzardwoman wrote:
| >
| > How many abortions do you think could be avoided if the Catholic Church
| > stopped their criminally insane policy against contraception?
| >
| > How many millions less people would die of AIDS in sub-Saharan Africa if
| > Catholic missionaries stopped preaching their genocidally stupid
no-condoms
| > policy?
| >
| > Just asking.
| >
| >
| Most countries still have strict abortion laws, considering it legal
| for very few reasons, such as when the life of the mother is endangered
| by continued pregnancy. Abortions for reasons not approved by the law
| of the land are considered illegal. They may not be performed in
| approved hospitals. So they are often performed by persons who are not
| well qualified, under substandard conditions.
Is this supposed to be responsive?
--
sharon
"This is why the results of scientific research tend to converge, and why
religious dogmas tends to diverge. One is dealing with something real, and
the other is not." -- Denis Loubet
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is
human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind
cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an
old religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and
never has been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent
in its simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of
madness." -- Emmett F. Fields
.
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "ChalkItUp" |
|
| Title: Re: one abortion a second |
06 Oct 2006 09:51:50 AM |
|
|
Lizzardwoman wrote:
"Tleilax" <zodriol@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1160008120.698321.30930@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
| EACH year over thirty million abortions are performed throughout the
| world. That is about one abortion for every second of each day all year
| long.
|
| Iin recent years many countries have passed more permissive abortion
| laws. In some places there are very few restrictions, meaning that the
| legal policy is 'abortion on demand.' Some authorities predict that
| most countries will eventually adopt this attitude. In India killing
| unborn girls is an accepted practice.
How many abortions do you think could be avoided if the Catholic Church
stopped their criminally insane policy against contraception?
How many millions less people would die of AIDS in sub-Saharan Africa if
Catholic missionaries stopped preaching their genocidally stupid no-condoms
policy?
Just asking.
I have repeatedly seen this ridiculous argument in recent years. You
strip away a small portion of the church's teaching on matters of
sexuality, hold it out as a singular teaching, and then call it
wrongheaded (and in this case "genocide"...wow). The Catholic Church
teaches abstinence in extra-marital sex, a lifelong bond between one
man and one woman, and a unitive and procreative sex life within
marriage. Inherent in this teaching is that the church believes that a
person should have one sex partner for life. If you say that this is
unrealistic and that people will certainly not follow this
recommendation, then I will tell you that these same people WILL NOT
FOLLOW the recommendation to refrain from condom usage. You cannot
simply say that since the church teaches that the sexual act should be
open to the possibility of life, that this promotes the spread of AIDS.
Do you honestly think that the person who is SO WORRIED about eternal
damnation that he won't use a condom, is the same guy who is NOT
WORRIED about eternal damnation due to having sex with multiple
partners out of wedlock? If you are going to critique the teaching of
the Catholic Church on matters of sexuality, it would be wise critique
the ~entire~ teaching. No one who follows the ~complete~ teaching of
the church has contracted AIDS through sexual transmission...EVER.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Ray Fischer" |
|
| Title: Re: one abortion a second |
06 Oct 2006 11:39:12 AM |
|
|
ChalkItUp <chalkitup37@hotmail.com> wrote:
Lizzardwoman wrote:
How many abortions do you think could be avoided if the Catholic Church
stopped their criminally insane policy against contraception?
How many millions less people would die of AIDS in sub-Saharan Africa if
Catholic missionaries stopped preaching their genocidally stupid no-condoms
policy?
Just asking.
I have repeatedly seen this ridiculous argument in recent years. You
strip away a small portion of the church's teaching on matters of
sexuality, hold it out as a singular teaching, and then call it
wrongheaded (and in this case "genocide"...wow). The Catholic Church
teaches abstinence in extra-marital sex, a lifelong bond between one
man and one woman, and a unitive and procreative sex life within
marriage. Inherent in this teaching is that the church believes that a
person should have one sex partner for life. If you say that this is
unrealistic and that people will certainly not follow this
recommendation, then I will tell you that these same people WILL NOT
FOLLOW the recommendation to refrain from condom usage.
The problem is that the Church does not allow any disagreement. The
Pope and the Catholic church oppose freedom.
You cannot
simply say that since the church teaches that the sexual act should be
open to the possibility of life, that this promotes the spread of AIDS.
The Church promotes the spread of AIDS by refusing to allow people to
protect themselves from AIDS in the way that they choose instead of
the way that the Church demands.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.
|
|
|
| User: "Henry Mankinna" |
|
| Title: Re: one abortion a second |
07 Oct 2006 03:13:13 PM |
|
|
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:452686b0$0$34534$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
The Church promotes the spread of AIDS by refusing to allow people to
protect themselves from AIDS in the way that they choose instead of
the way that the Church demands.
The Church has only it's own self-interest at heart. They want their
numbers to GROW at any cost to humanity. Numbers mean MONEY = $$$$ for
their coffers. Birth-control limits the number of unwanted children their
members would produce.
.
|
|
|
|
| User: "ChalkItUp" |
|
| Title: Re: one abortion a second |
06 Oct 2006 12:18:11 PM |
|
|
Ray Fischer wrote:
ChalkItUp <chalkitup37@hotmail.com> wrote:
Lizzardwoman wrote:
How many abortions do you think could be avoided if the Catholic Church
stopped their criminally insane policy against contraception?
How many millions less people would die of AIDS in sub-Saharan Africa if
Catholic missionaries stopped preaching their genocidally stupid no-condoms
policy?
Just asking.
I have repeatedly seen this ridiculous argument in recent years. You
strip away a small portion of the church's teaching on matters of
sexuality, hold it out as a singular teaching, and then call it
wrongheaded (and in this case "genocide"...wow). The Catholic Church
teaches abstinence in extra-marital sex, a lifelong bond between one
man and one woman, and a unitive and procreative sex life within
marriage. Inherent in this teaching is that the church believes that a
person should have one sex partner for life. If you say that this is
unrealistic and that people will certainly not follow this
recommendation, then I will tell you that these same people WILL NOT
FOLLOW the recommendation to refrain from condom usage.
The problem is that the Church does not allow any disagreement. The
Pope and the Catholic church oppose freedom.
Ok, so the church is not a democracy and, as such, expects NO dissent.
That being said, when an adherent follows church regulations down to
the letter (ie. as YOU say, no disagreement with the church) they will
never get exposed to HIV, nor contract AIDS via sexual means.
You cannot
simply say that since the church teaches that the sexual act should be
open to the possibility of life, that this promotes the spread of AIDS.
The Church promotes the spread of AIDS by refusing to allow people to
protect themselves from AIDS in the way that they choose instead of
the way that the Church demands.
Once again <reinserting text which Ray disingenuously deleted, and
which speaks specifically to the point that he attempts to make
above>...Do you honestly think that the person who is SO WORRIED about
eternal damnation that he won't use a condom, is the same guy who is
NOT WORRIED about eternal damnation due to having sex with multiple
partners out of wedlock? If you are going to critique the teaching of
the Catholic Church on matters of sexuality, it would be wise critique
the ~entire~ teaching. No one who follows the ~complete~ teaching of
the church has contracted AIDS through sexual transmission...EVER.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Ray Fischer" |
|
| Title: Re: one abortion a second |
10 Oct 2006 10:42:21 AM |
|
|
ChalkItUp <chalkitup37@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
ChalkItUp <chalkitup37@hotmail.com> wrote:
Lizzardwoman wrote:
How many abortions do you think could be avoided if the Catholic Church
stopped their criminally insane policy against contraception?
How many millions less people would die of AIDS in sub-Saharan Africa if
Catholic missionaries stopped preaching their genocidally stupid no-condoms
policy?
Just asking.
I have repeatedly seen this ridiculous argument in recent years. You
strip away a small portion of the church's teaching on matters of
sexuality, hold it out as a singular teaching, and then call it
wrongheaded (and in this case "genocide"...wow). The Catholic Church
teaches abstinence in extra-marital sex, a lifelong bond between one
man and one woman, and a unitive and procreative sex life within
marriage. Inherent in this teaching is that the church believes that a
person should have one sex partner for life. If you say that this is
unrealistic and that people will certainly not follow this
recommendation, then I will tell you that these same people WILL NOT
FOLLOW the recommendation to refrain from condom usage.
The problem is that the Church does not allow any disagreement. The
Pope and the Catholic church oppose freedom.
Ok, so the church is not a democracy and, as such, expects NO dissent.
That being said, when an adherent follows church regulations down to
the letter (ie. as YOU say, no disagreement with the church) they will
never get exposed to HIV, nor contract AIDS via sexual means.
And neither did thew children killed in nazi concentration camps ever
get such diseases.
So what?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.
|
|
|
| User: "ChalkItUp" |
|
| Title: Re: one abortion a second |
10 Oct 2006 03:01:03 PM |
|
|
Ray Fischer wrote:
ChalkItUp <chalkitup37@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
ChalkItUp <chalkitup37@hotmail.com> wrote:
Lizzardwoman wrote:
How many abortions do you think could be avoided if the Catholic Church
stopped their criminally insane policy against contraception?
How many millions less people would die of AIDS in sub-Saharan Africa if
Catholic missionaries stopped preaching their genocidally stupid no-condoms
policy?
Just asking.
I have repeatedly seen this ridiculous argument in recent years. You
strip away a small portion of the church's teaching on matters of
sexuality, hold it out as a singular teaching, and then call it
wrongheaded (and in this case "genocide"...wow). The Catholic Church
teaches abstinence in extra-marital sex, a lifelong bond between one
man and one woman, and a unitive and procreative sex life within
marriage. Inherent in this teaching is that the church believes that a
person should have one sex partner for life. If you say that this is
unrealistic and that people will certainly not follow this
recommendation, then I will tell you that these same people WILL NOT
FOLLOW the recommendation to refrain from condom usage.
The problem is that the Church does not allow any disagreement. The
Pope and the Catholic church oppose freedom.
Ok, so the church is not a democracy and, as such, expects NO dissent.
That being said, when an adherent follows church regulations down to
the letter (ie. as YOU say, no disagreement with the church) they will
never get exposed to HIV, nor contract AIDS via sexual means.
And neither did thew children killed in nazi concentration camps ever
get such diseases.
So what?
"So what"?!?!?! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!...So that is what we are discussing
on this sub-thread. You can't possibly be that bone-fucking-stupid!!
It is the answer to the assertion (above) that church regulations are
at fault for the spread of "such diseases". Try to keep up, will ya.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Ray Fischer" |
|
| Title: Re: one abortion a second |
10 Oct 2006 10:32:26 PM |
|
|
ChalkItUp <chalkitup37@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
ChalkItUp <chalkitup37@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ok, so the church is not a democracy and, as such, expects NO dissent.
That being said, when an adherent follows church regulations down to
the letter (ie. as YOU say, no disagreement with the church) they will
never get exposed to HIV, nor contract AIDS via sexual means.
And neither did thew children killed in nazi concentration camps ever
get such diseases.
So what?
"So what"?!?!?! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!...So that is what we are discussing
on this sub-thread. You can't possibly be that bone-fucking-stupid!!
It is the answer to the assertion (above) that church regulations are
at fault for the spread of "such diseases". Try to keep up, will ya.
They are. By opposing methods known to prevent the disease they are
promoting the disease.
It's very simple: The church demands that people use a method that
everybody knows DOES NOT WORK.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.
|
|
|
| User: "ChalkItUp" |
|
| Title: Re: one abortion a second |
11 Oct 2006 07:29:50 AM |
|
|
Ray Fischer wrote:
ChalkItUp <chalkitup37@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
ChalkItUp <chalkitup37@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ok, so the church is not a democracy and, as such, expects NO dissent.
That being said, when an adherent follows church regulations down to
the letter (ie. as YOU say, no disagreement with the church) they will
never get exposed to HIV, nor contract AIDS via sexual means.
And neither did thew children killed in nazi concentration camps ever
get such diseases.
So what?
"So what"?!?!?! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!...So that is what we are discussing
on this sub-thread. You can't possibly be that bone-fucking-stupid!!
It is the answer to the assertion (above) that church regulations are
at fault for the spread of "such diseases". Try to keep up, will ya.
They are. By opposing methods known to prevent the disease they are
promoting the disease.
It's very simple: The church demands that people use a method that
everybody knows DOES NOT WORK.
Which brings us full circle...back to the argument that you've failed
to address. So, let's go back to square one. You strip away a small
portion of the church's teaching on matters of sexuality (ie. condom
usage), hold it out as a singular teaching, and then call it
wrongheaded. The Catholic Church teaches abstinence in extra-marital
sex, a lifelong bond between one man and one woman, and a unitive and
procreative sex life within marriage. Inherent in this teaching is
that the church believes that a person should have one sex partner for
life. If you say that this is unrealistic and that people will
certainly not follow this recommendation, then I will tell you that
these same people WILL NOT FOLLOW the recommendation to refrain from
condom usage. You cannot simply say that since the church teaches that
the sexual act should be open to the possibility of life, that this
promotes the spread of AIDS. Do you honestly think that the person who
is SO WORRIED about eternal damnation that he won't use a condom, is
the same guy who is NOT WORRIED about eternal damnation due to having
sex with multiple partners out of wedlock? If you are going to
critique the teaching of the Catholic Church on matters of sexuality,
it would be wise critique the ~entire~ teaching. No one who follows
the ~complete~ teaching of the church has contracted AIDS through
sexual transmission...EVER. (Hell....even noted left-wingers like
comedian Bill Maher espous the same argument which I make above.)
.
|
|
|
| User: "Ray Fischer" |
|
| Title: Re: one abortion a second |
11 Oct 2006 11:59:07 AM |
|
|
ChalkItUp <chalkitup37@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
ChalkItUp <chalkitup37@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
ChalkItUp <chalkitup37@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ok, so the church is not a democracy and, as such, expects NO dissent.
That being said, when an adherent follows church regulations down to
the letter (ie. as YOU say, no disagreement with the church) they will
never get exposed to HIV, nor contract AIDS via sexual means.
And neither did thew children killed in nazi concentration camps ever
get such diseases.
So what?
"So what"?!?!?! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!...So that is what we are discussing
on this sub-thread. You can't possibly be that bone-fucking-stupid!!
It is the answer to the assertion (above) that church regulations are
at fault for the spread of "such diseases". Try to keep up, will ya.
They are. By opposing methods known to prevent the disease they are
promoting the disease.
It's very simple: The church demands that people use a method that
everybody knows DOES NOT WORK.
Which brings us full circle...back to the argument that you've failed
to address. So, let's go back to square one. You strip away a small
portion of the church's teaching on matters of sexuality (ie. condom
usage), hold it out as a singular teaching, and then call it
wrongheaded.
It os obviously wrong. It does not work. People die because of it.
The Catholic Church teaches abstinence in extra-marital
sex,
Which DOES NOT WORK.
a lifelong bond between one man and one woman, and a unitive and
procreative sex life within marriage.
WHICH DOES NOT WORK!
Inherent in this teaching is
that the church believes that a person should have one sex partner for
life.
Who gives a ***** what the church "believes". God says that they are
WRONG! And the proof is in the fact that the church's propaganda
IS A FAILURE!
You can whine all day about what-ifs and if-onlys, but the bottom line
is that the church's demands are killing people.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.
|
|
|
| User: "ChalkItUp" |
|
| Title: Re: one abortion a second |
11 Oct 2006 12:36:54 PM |
|
|
Ray Fischer wrote:
ChalkItUp <chalkitup37@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
ChalkItUp <chalkitup37@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
ChalkItUp <chalkitup37@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ok, so the church is not a democracy and, as such, expects NO dissent.
That being said, when an adherent follows church regulations down to
the letter (ie. as YOU say, no disagreement with the church) they will
never get exposed to HIV, nor contract AIDS via sexual means.
And neither did thew children killed in nazi concentration camps ever
get such diseases.
So what?
"So what"?!?!?! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!...So that is what we are discussing
on this sub-thread. You can't possibly be that bone-fucking-stupid!!
It is the answer to the assertion (above) that church regulations are
at fault for the spread of "such diseases". Try to keep up, will ya.
They are. By opposing methods known to prevent the disease they are
promoting the disease.
It's very simple: The church demands that people use a method that
everybody knows DOES NOT WORK.
Which brings us full circle...back to the argument that you've failed
to address. So, let's go back to square one. You strip away a small
portion of the church's teaching on matters of sexuality (ie. condom
usage), hold it out as a singular teaching, and then call it
wrongheaded.
It os obviously wrong. It does not work. People die because of it.
The Catholic Church teaches abstinence in extra-marital
sex,
Which DOES NOT WORK.
Sure does work in preventing AIDS. Abstinence in extra-marital sex =
no AIDS
a lifelong bond between one man and one woman, and a unitive and
procreative sex life within marriage.
WHICH DOES NOT WORK!
Sure does work in preventing AIDS. A lifelong bond between one man and
one woman = no AIDS
Inherent in this teaching is
that the church believes that a person should have one sex partner for
life.
Who gives a ***** what the church "believes". God says that they are
WRONG! And the proof is in the fact that the church's propaganda
IS A FAILURE!
You can whine all day about what-ifs and if-onlys,
It seems that it is YOU and YOUR ILK who are whining about "what-ifs"
and "if-onlys", as in "What if the church taught what *I* believe" and
"If only the church had a different teaching."
but the bottom line
is that the church's demands are killing people.
PROVE IT!
.
|
|
|
| User: "Ray Fischer" |
|
| Title: Re: one abortion a second |
11 Oct 2006 12:52:43 PM |
|
|
ChalkItUp <chalkitup37@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
ChalkItUp <chalkitup37@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
ChalkItUp <chalkitup37@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
ChalkItUp <chalkitup37@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ok, so the church is not a democracy and, as such, expects NO dissent.
That being said, when an adherent follows church regulations down to
the letter (ie. as YOU say, no disagreement with the church) they will
never get exposed to HIV, nor contract AIDS via sexual means.
And neither did thew children killed in nazi concentration camps ever
get such diseases.
So what?
"So what"?!?!?! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!...So that is what we are discussing
on this sub-thread. You can't possibly be that bone-fucking-stupid!!
It is the answer to the assertion (above) that church regulations are
at fault for the spread of "such diseases". Try to keep up, will ya.
They are. By opposing methods known to prevent the disease they are
promoting the disease.
It's very simple: The church demands that people use a method that
everybody knows DOES NOT WORK.
Which brings us full circle...back to the argument that you've failed
to address. So, let's go back to square one. You strip away a small
portion of the church's teaching on matters of sexuality (ie. condom
usage), hold it out as a singular teaching, and then call it
wrongheaded.
It os obviously wrong. It does not work. People die because of it.
The Catholic Church teaches abstinence in extra-marital
sex,
Which DOES NOT WORK.
Sure does work in preventing AIDS.
In this real world the church's demands have caused AIDS to spread.
a lifelong bond between one man and one woman, and a unitive and
procreative sex life within marriage.
WHICH DOES NOT WORK!
Sure does work in preventing AIDS.
Obviously it does not because AIDS is spreading where the church can
prevent contraception.
Inherent in this teaching is
that the church believes that a person should have one sex partner for
life.
Who gives a ***** what the church "believes". God says that they are
WRONG! And the proof is in the fact that the church's propaganda
IS A FAILURE!
You can whine all day about what-ifs and if-onlys,
It seems that it is YOU and YOUR ILK who are whining about "what-ifs"
In the real world the church's demands are promoting the spread of AIDS.
but the bottom line
is that the church's demands are killing people.
PROVE IT!
Look at the number of people dying in those places where the church can
prevent the use of condoms. Condoms prevent the transmission of AIDS
and the church is opposed to the use of condoms.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.
|
|
|
| User: "ChalkItUp" |
|
| Title: Re: one abortion a second |
11 Oct 2006 01:53:37 PM |
|
|
Ray Fischer wrote:
ChalkItUp <chalkitup37@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
ChalkItUp <chalkitup37@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
ChalkItUp <chalkitup37@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
ChalkItUp <chalkitup37@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ok, so the church is not a democracy and, as such, expects NO dissent.
That being said, when an adherent follows church regulations down to
the letter (ie. as YOU say, no disagreement with the church) they will
never get exposed to HIV, nor contract AIDS via sexual means.
And neither did thew children killed in nazi concentration camps ever
get such diseases.
So what?
"So what"?!?!?! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!...So that is what we are discussing
on this sub-thread. You can't possibly be that bone-fucking-stupid!!
It is the answer to the assertion (above) that church regulations are
at fault for the spread of "such diseases". Try to keep up, will ya.
They are. By opposing methods known to prevent the disease they are
promoting the disease.
It's very simple: The church demands that people use a method that
everybody knows DOES NOT WORK.
Which brings us full circle...back to the argument that you've failed
to address. So, let's go back to square one. You strip away a small
portion of the church's teaching on matters of sexuality (ie. condom
usage), hold it out as a singular teaching, and then call it
wrongheaded.
It os obviously wrong. It does not work. People die because of it.
The Catholic Church teaches abstinence in extra-marital
sex,
Which DOES NOT WORK.
Sure does work in preventing AIDS.
In this real world the church's demands have caused AIDS to spread.
You have yet to show any cause & effect relationship. I think that it
is really Ray Fischer's demands that the church cease and desist in
their teaching that has caused AIDS to spread.
a lifelong bond between one man and one woman, and a unitive and
procreative sex life within marriage.
WHICH DOES NOT WORK!
Sure does work in preventing AIDS.
Obviously it does not because AIDS is spreading where the church can
prevent contraception.
By that...ummm, "logic"...the fault just as easily lies with the
various governments involved, the UN, the victims of the disease
themselves, the WHO, the CDC, the AMA, etc.
Inherent in this teaching is
that the church believes that a person should have one sex partner for
life.
Who gives a ***** what the church "believes". God says that they are
WRONG! And the proof is in the fact that the church's propaganda
IS A FAILURE!
You can whine all day about what-ifs and if-onlys,
It seems that it is YOU and YOUR ILK who are whining about "what-ifs"
In the real world the church's demands are promoting the spread of AIDS.
I just hope that "in the real world" you aren't anywhere near as
dim-witted as this exchange suggests.
but the bottom line
is that the church's demands are killing people.
PROVE IT!
Look at the number of people dying in those places where the church can
prevent the use of condoms. Condoms prevent the transmission of AIDS
and the church is opposed to the use of condoms.
Just as I expected...not an ounce of PROOF...nothing but the usual
bluster.
.
|
|
|
| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
|
| Title: Re: one abortion a second |
11 Oct 2006 09:48:51 PM |
|
|
"ChalkItUp" <chalkitup37@hotmail.com> writes:
Ray Fischer wrote:
ChalkItUp <chalkitup37@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
ChalkItUp <chalkitup37@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
ChalkItUp <chalkitup37@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
ChalkItUp <chalkitup37@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ok, so the church is not a democracy and, as such, expects NO
dissent. That being said, when an adherent follows church
regulations down to the letter (ie. as YOU say, no disagreement
with the church) they will never get exposed to HIV, nor contract
AIDS via sexual means.
And neither did thew children killed in nazi concentration camps
ever get such diseases.
So what?
"So what"?!?!?! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!...So that is what we are
discussing on this sub-thread. You can't possibly be that
bone-fucking-stupid!! It is the answer to the assertion (above)
that church regulations are at fault for the spread of "such
diseases". Try to keep up, will ya.
They are. By opposing methods known to prevent the disease they are
promoting the disease.
It's very simple: The church demands that people use a method that
everybody knows DOES NOT WORK.
Which brings us full circle...back to the argument that you've failed
to address. So, let's go back to square one. You strip away a small
portion of the church's teaching on matters of sexuality (ie. condom
usage), hold it out as a singular teaching, and then call it
wrongheaded.
It os obviously wrong. It does not work. People die because of it.
The Catholic Church teaches abstinence in extra-marital
sex,
Which DOES NOT WORK.
Sure does work in preventing AIDS.
In this real world the church's demands have caused AIDS to spread.
You have yet to show any cause & effect relationship. I think that it
is really Ray Fischer's demands that the church cease and desist in
their teaching that has caused AIDS to spread.
We don't get many posters using an IP that belongs to Crown Cork & Seal
Company, but that aside, your idea doesn't necessarily work in preventing
AIDS. You could ask the survivors of Ryan White, who never had sex in the
first place...and then try and figure out how he wound up with it.
a lifelong bond between one man and one woman, and a unitive and
procreative sex life within marriage.
WHICH DOES NOT WORK!
Sure does work in preventing AIDS.
Obviously it does not because AIDS is spreading where the church can
prevent contraception.
By that...ummm, "logic"...the fault just as easily lies with the
various governments involved, the UN, the victims of the disease
themselves, the WHO, the CDC, the AMA, etc.
Of course, it's *your* church that's the one making such a big fuss about it,
while not allowing its own clergy to even consider sex. (That obviously
hasn't slowed them down very much for the past 1975 years or so, though.)
Inherent in this teaching is
that the church believes that a person should have one sex partner for
life.
Who gives a ***** what the church "believes". God says that they are
WRONG! And the proof is in the fact that the church's propaganda
IS A FAILURE!
You can whine all day about what-ifs and if-onlys,
It seems that it is YOU and YOUR ILK who are whining about "what-ifs"
In the real world the church's demands are promoting the spread of AIDS.
I just hope that "in the real world" you aren't anywhere near as
dim-witted as this exchange suggests.
I'd hope you could figure out a way to put your attitude in storage, since HIV
couldn't care less about anything but a human bloodstream with T cells in it,
regardless of the owner's sexual preferences.
but the bottom line
is that the church's demands are killing people.
PROVE IT!
Look at the number of people dying in those places where the church can
prevent the use of condoms. Condoms prevent the transmission of AIDS
and the church is opposed to the use of condoms.
Just as I expected...not an ounce of PROOF...nothing but the usual
bluster.
So declare victory and run away. That appears to be the limit of your
originality. Meanwhile, reality couldn't care less what you think. (At least
you're not ranting at homosexuality for being the problem, since your own
church has damned near consecrated that in its clergy.)
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Iowa 6, Houston 3 (October 7)
NEXT GAME: Thursday, October 12 at Iowa, 7:05
.
|
|
|
|
| User: "Ray Fischer" |
|
| Title: Re: one abortion a second |
11 Oct 2006 09:51:38 PM |
|
|
ChalkItUp <chalkitup37@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
ChalkItUp <chalkitup37@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
ChalkItUp <chalkitup37@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
ChalkItUp <chalkitup37@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
ChalkItUp <chalkitup37@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ok, so the church is not a democracy and, as such, expects NO dissent.
That being said, when an adherent follows church regulations down to
the letter (ie. as YOU say, no disagreement with the church) they will
never get exposed to HIV, nor contract AIDS via sexual means.
And neither did thew children killed in nazi concentration camps ever
get such diseases.
So what?
"So what"?!?!?! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!...So that is what we are discussing
on this sub-thread. You can't possibly be that bone-fucking-stupid!!
It is the answer to the assertion (above) that church regulations are
at fault for the spread of "such diseases". Try to keep up, will ya.
They are. By opposing methods known to prevent the disease they are
promoting the disease.
It's very simple: The church demands that people use a method that
everybody knows DOES NOT WORK.
Which brings us full circle...back to the argument that you've failed
to address. So, let's go back to square one. You strip away a small
portion of the church's teaching on matters of sexuality (ie. condom
usage), hold it out as a singular teaching, and then call it
wrongheaded.
It os obviously wrong. It does not work. People die because of it.
The Catholic Church teaches abstinence in extra-marital
sex,
Which DOES NOT WORK.
Sure does work in preventing AIDS.
In this real world the church's demands have caused AIDS to spread.
You have yet to show any cause & effect relationship.
Typically immoral religious coward - you try desperately to defend an
obviously corrupt and immoral church, even at the cost of people's
lives.
but the bottom line
is that the church's demands are killing people.
PROVE IT!
Look at the number of people dying in those places where the church can
prevent the use of condoms. Condoms prevent the transmission of AIDS
and the church is opposed to the use of condoms.
Just as I expected...not an ounce of PROOF...nothing but the usual
You really have been corrupted by evil. All you care about is forcing
people to obey or die.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "Gilbertus Albans" |
|
| Title: Re: one abortion a second |
07 Oct 2006 08:01:15 AM |
|
|
Ray Fischer wrote:
FOLLOW the recommendation to refrain from condom usage.
The problem is that the Church does not allow any disagreement. The
Pope and the Catholic church oppose freedom.
What Freedom? The fredoom to screw whoever you want to when ever you
want to? With out bearing the responsibilities that come with screwing
around?
.
|
|
|
| User: "Ray Fischer" |
|
| Title: Re: one abortion a second |
10 Oct 2006 10:43:43 AM |
|
|
Gilbertus Albans <primemenstat@world.net> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
The problem is that the Church does not allow any disagreement. The
Pope and the Catholic church oppose freedom.
What Freedom? The fredoom to screw whoever you want to when ever you
want to?
Among others, yes.
With out bearing the responsibilities that come with screwing
around?
You anti-sex prudes keep trying to insist that sex is a crime.
Just because you can't get any is no justification for making other
people suffer.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.
|
|
|
| User: "Black-Phoenix-Night" |
|
| Title: Re: one abortion a second |
10 Oct 2006 02:46:04 PM |
|
|
Ray Fischer wrote:
Gilbertus Albans <primemenstat@world.net> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
The problem is that the Church does not allow any disagreement. The
Pope and the Catholic church oppose freedom.
What Freedom? The fredoom to screw whoever you want to when ever you
want to?
Among others, yes.
With out bearing the responsibilities that come with screwing
around?
You anti-sex prudes keep trying to insist that sex is a crime.
Just because you can't get any is no justification for making other
people suffer.
.
|
|
|
|
| User: "Gilbertus Albans" |
|
| Title: Re: one abortion a second |
10 Oct 2006 08:47:37 PM |
|
|
Ray Fischer wrote:
Gilbertus Albans <primemenstat@world.net> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
The problem is that the Church does not allow any disagreement. The
Pope and the Catholic church oppose freedom.
What Freedom? The fredoom to screw whoever you want to when ever you
want to?
Among others, yes.
With out bearing the responsibilities that come with screwing
around?
You anti-sex prudes keep trying to insist that sex is a crime.
Sex is not a crime. Giving your innocent Wife HIV is.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Ray Fischer" |
|
| Title: Re: one abortion a second |
10 Oct 2006 10:33:31 PM |
|
|
Gilbertus Albans <primemenstat@world.net> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Gilbertus Albans <primemenstat@world.net> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
The problem is that the Church does not allow any disagreement. The
Pope and the Catholic church oppose freedom.
What Freedom? The fredoom to screw whoever you want to when ever you
want to?
Among others, yes.
With out bearing the responsibilities that come with screwing
around?
You anti-sex prudes keep trying to insist that sex is a crime.
Sex is not a crime.
Then stop treating it like a crime.
Giving your innocent Wife HIV is.
.... because the church doesn't allow you to prevent the
transmission of the disease.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.
|
|
|
| User: "Dr Nancys Sweetie" |
|
| Title: Re: one abortion a second |
11 Oct 2006 11:54:26 AM |
|
|
"Gilbertus Albans <primemenstat@world.net>" wrote:
Sex is not a crime. Giving your innocent Wife HIV is.
"Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net>" replied:
... because the church doesn't allow you to prevent the transmission
of the disease.
This doesn't make any sense to me. If you follow church teachings,
then you have sex only with your spouse. The church doesn't allow you
to GET the disease in the first place -- if you get it, it's because
you ignored church teaching.
How is it the church is responsible for what happens when someone
ignores its teachings? How can anyone be responsible for the results
when their counsel is ignored?
Darren Provine ! ! http://www.rowan.edu/~kilroy
"No responsible person attempts to absolve himself of the bad effects of
his actions by blaming the actions of others. Irresponsible people, of
course, do it all the time." -- Chip Salzenberg
.
|
|
|
| User: "Ray Fischer" |
|
| Title: Re: one abortion a second |
11 Oct 2006 12:25:26 PM |
|
|
Dr Nancy's Sweetie <kilroy@elvis.rowan.edu> wrote:
"Gilbertus Albans <primemenstat@world.net>" wrote:
Sex is not a crime. Giving your innocent Wife HIV is.
"Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net>" replied:
... because the church doesn't allow you to prevent the transmission
of the disease.
This doesn't make any sense to me.
Then stop paying attention to the church.
If you follow church teachings,
then you have sex only with your spouse.
If you don't die then you can live forever.
The church doesn't allow you
to GET the disease in the first place -- if you get it, it's because
you ignored church teaching.
Church teaching which is known to be a failure.
How is it the church is responsible for what happens when someone
ignores its teachings?
Because the church's teaching don't work but the church continues to
push them even though people die as a result.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.
|
|
|
| User: "Dr Nancys Sweetie" |
|
| Title: Re: one abortion a second |
11 Oct 2006 02:28:18 PM |
|
|
I asked how the church can be responsible for the outcome when people
ignore its advice, and "Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net>" replied:
Because the church's teaching don't work but the church continues to
push them even though people die as a result.
In my view, if Bob does something then Bob is responsible for the
any problems that result.
In your view, if Bob does something, he is NOT responsible for the
consequences of his actions. Somebody else gets the blame.
Does that mean anyone who is harmed by remaining in the Church is your
fault, because you warned them about the Church and they didn't listen
to you?
Darren Provine ! ! http://www.rowan.edu/~kilroy
.
|
|
|
| User: "Ray Fischer" |
|
| Title: Re: one abortion a second |
11 Oct 2006 09:52:47 PM |
|
|
Dr Nancy's Sweetie <kilroy@elvis.rowan.edu> wrote:
I asked how the church can be responsible for the outcome when people
ignore its advice, and "Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net>" replied:
Because the church's teaching don't work but the church continues to
push them even though people die as a result.
In my view, if Bob does something then Bob is responsible for the
any problems that result.
In your view, if Bob does something, he is NOT responsible for the
consequences of his actions. Somebody else gets the blame.
Typical hate from another religious bigot. According to you people
who don't obey the pope should die for their crime.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.
|
|
|
| User: "Dr Nancys Sweetie" |
|
| Title: Re: one abortion a second |
12 Oct 2006 10:21:00 AM |
|
|
"Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net>" wrote:
Typical hate from another religious bigot. According to you people
who don't obey the pope should die for their crime.
What are you babbling about? I'm not Roman Catholic, and I think the
Vatican's position on birth control is both immoral and illogical. I
think people *should* use birth control unless they actively want to
have children and have prepared themselves carefully for the job of
being parents.
But that's got nothing to do with Bob getting AIDS, if Bob has
unprotected sex with someone he shouldn't be having unprotected sex
with. If Bob does that, it's Bob's fault. Bob did it, Bob is to blame
for the results. Period.
The Pope is against the kind of sex that spreads AIDS. If you have that
kind of sex, and spread or get AIDS, then it's your fault. If you
choose to do something, the results are your responsibility.
Darren Provine ! ! http://www.rowan.edu/~kilroy
"When you choose an action, you choose the consequences of that action."
-- Cordelia Naismith Vorkosigan
.
|
|
|
| User: "Ray Fischer" |
|
| Title: Re: one abortion a second |
12 Oct 2006 10:57:48 PM |
|
|
Dr Nancy's Sweetie <kilroy@elvis.rowan.edu> wrote:
What are you babbling about? I'm not Roman Catholic, and I think the
Vatican's position on birth control is both immoral and illogical. I
think people *should* use birth control unless they actively want to
have children and have prepared themselves carefully for the job of
being parents.
Then I misread your comments.
[...]
The Pope is against the kind of sex that spreads AIDS.
And against condoms which prevent AIDS.
If you have that
kind of sex, and spread or get AIDS, then it's your fault.
Is that a crime people should die for?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Related Articles |
|
|
