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"papa jack" |
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09 Aug 2004 04:57:41 PM |
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One Is Enough |
On July 18. 2004, the Herald Tribune (NY Times Subsidiary) posted
an article by Amy Richards titled: "When One Is Enough." Go to:
http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040718/ZNYT04/407180871/1/HEALTHMATTERS
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Excerpts:
[...]
"I found out I was having triplets when I went to my obstetrician.
The doctor had just finished telling me I was going to have a low-
risk pregnancy. She turned on the sonogram machine. There was a
long pause, then she said, 'Are you sure you didn't take fertility
drugs?' I said, ‘I'm positive.' Peter and I were very shocked when
she said there were three. 'You know, this changes everything,' she
said. ‘You'll have to see a specialist.'
"My immediate response was, I cannot have triplets. I was not
married; I lived in a five-story walk-up in the East Village; I
worked freelance; and I would have to go on bed rest in March.
I lecture at colleges, and my biggest months are March and April.
I would have to give up my main income for the rest of the year.
There was a part of me that was sure I could work around that.
But it was a matter of, Do I want to?
"I looked at Peter and asked the doctor: ‘'Is it possible to get
rid of one of them? Or two of them?'' The obstetrician wasn't
an expert in selective reduction, but she knew that with a shot
of potassium chloride you could eliminate one or more.
"...‘This is why they say it's the woman's choice, because you
think I could just carry triplets. That's easy for you to say,
but I'd have to give up my life.'' Not only would I have to be
on bed rest at 20 weeks, I wouldn't be able to fly after 15. I
was already at eight weeks.... ...I'll have to start shopping
only at Costco and buying big jars of mayonnaise. Even in my
moments of thinking about having three, I don't think that deep
down I was ever considering it.
[...]
"When we saw the specialist, we found out that I was carrying
identical twins and a stand alone. My doctors thought the stand
alone was three days older. There was something psychologically
comforting about that, since I wanted to have just one....
[...]
"I had a boy, and everything is fine. But thinking about becoming
pregnant again is terrifying...."
[...]
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Papa Jack commented:
The really terrifying thing is the matter-of-fact way this 34-year
old woman could describe the decision to kill her identical twins
because they would interfere with her lifestyle.
She seems almost proud of her decision making. The possibility
of marrying the boyfriend is never considered, even though she
tells us they've been together for three years -- and they made
a joint decision to quit using contraceptives.
Consider this from the children's point of view. The twins, of
course, are robbed of their right to live without any considera-
tion. Then, there's the one boy who she carried to delivery.
* He will be raised by a single-mom who is so cold-hearted
she decided to kill his two siblings to protect her lifestyle.
How much will she be willing to sacrifice for his welfare?
* He will grow up without benefit of a father, so the statistics
say he will have a substantially greater chance of experiencing
serious adolescent problems (i.e., drugs, arrests, school
drop-out, etc.).
The Culture of Death (COD) would tell us this is a typical and
normal way to cope with the problems of today.
It makes me shudder.
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| User: "junegill" |
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| Title: Re: One Is Enough |
09 Aug 2004 09:58:22 PM |
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"papa jack" <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:bd9f1f6b.0408091357.790db44a@posting.google.com...
On July 18. 2004, the Herald Tribune (NY Times Subsidiary) posted
an article by Amy Richards titled: "When One Is Enough." Go to:
http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040718/ZNYT04/4071
80871/1/HEALTHMATTERS
[snip]
Papa Jack commented:
The really terrifying thing is the matter-of-fact way this 34-year
old woman could describe the decision to kill her identical twins
because they would interfere with her lifestyle.
What do you think of the decision of an English woman a few years ago, who,
having had fertility treatment, was found to be carrying 8 foetuses? Her
obstetricians told her that none could possibly survive if she continued to
carry them all, and they wanted to abort at least three of them. She
refused, and proved the doctors right: they all died.
If you think both women made the wrong choice, how do you reconcile that
view?
--
June G
# 364
http://uk.geocities.com/junegill@btopenworld.com/webpages/index.html.html
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| User: "M is for Malapert" |
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| Title: Re: One Is Enough |
10 Aug 2004 02:53:28 PM |
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"papa jack" <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:bd9f1f6b.0408091357.790db44a@posting.google.com...
The really terrifying thing is the matter-of-fact way this 34-year
old woman could describe the decision to kill her identical twins
because they would interfere with her lifestyle.
I love the way you edited out all the part about the high risks involved in
a triplet pregnancy. As I recall the article didn't talk a lot about the
lifelong consequences of being born a triplet or above (human beings were
not meant to birth litters and are not equipped to care for them properly
either), but there's a plethora of evidence out there bemoaning the increase
in multiple pregnancies due to fertility treatment and the mortality and
morbidity associated with them. Good decision, excellent decision-making
right down to her reasonable consideration of more than just her own
emotional "Me, me, me".
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| User: "EvilZak" |
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| Title: Re: One Is Enough |
10 Aug 2004 01:43:29 AM |
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(papa jack) wrote in message news:<bd9f1f6b.0408091357.790db44a@posting.google.com>...
On July 18. 2004, the Herald Tribune (NY Times Subsidiary) posted
an article by Amy Richards titled: "When One Is Enough." Go to:
Papa Jack commented:
The really terrifying thing is the matter-of-fact way this 34-year
old woman could describe the decision to kill her identical twins
because they would interfere with her lifestyle.
She seems almost proud of her decision making. The possibility
of marrying the boyfriend is never considered, even though she
tells us they've been together for three years -- and they made
a joint decision to quit using contraceptives.
What has marriage got to do with it? The woman chose not to put her
health and well-being at unnecessary risk, and to improve the chances
for the single foetus she continued to carry. Even an idiot like you
ought to be aware that multiple pregnancies are much higher risk than
single pregnancies, for both the woman and the embryos.
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| User: "Graham" |
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| Title: Re: One Is Enough |
10 Aug 2004 01:56:53 AM |
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papa jack wrote:
On July 18. 2004, the Herald Tribune (NY Times Subsidiary) posted
an article by Amy Richards titled: "When One Is Enough." Go to:
http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040718/ZNYT04/407180871/1/HEALTHMATTERS
_____________________________________________________________________________________
Excerpts:
[...]
"I found out I was having triplets when I went to my obstetrician.
The doctor had just finished telling me I was going to have a low-
risk pregnancy. She turned on the sonogram machine. There was a
long pause, then she said, 'Are you sure you didn't take fertility
drugs?' I said, ‘I'm positive.' Peter and I were very shocked when
she said there were three. 'You know, this changes everything,' she
said. ‘You'll have to see a specialist.'
"My immediate response was, I cannot have triplets. I was not
married; I lived in a five-story walk-up in the East Village; I
worked freelance; and I would have to go on bed rest in March.
I lecture at colleges, and my biggest months are March and April.
I would have to give up my main income for the rest of the year.
There was a part of me that was sure I could work around that.
But it was a matter of, Do I want to?
"I looked at Peter and asked the doctor: ‘'Is it possible to get
rid of one of them? Or two of them?'' The obstetrician wasn't
an expert in selective reduction, but she knew that with a shot
of potassium chloride you could eliminate one or more.
"...‘This is why they say it's the woman's choice, because you
think I could just carry triplets. That's easy for you to say,
but I'd have to give up my life.'' Not only would I have to be
on bed rest at 20 weeks, I wouldn't be able to fly after 15. I
was already at eight weeks.... ...I'll have to start shopping
only at Costco and buying big jars of mayonnaise. Even in my
moments of thinking about having three, I don't think that deep
down I was ever considering it.
[...]
"When we saw the specialist, we found out that I was carrying
identical twins and a stand alone. My doctors thought the stand
alone was three days older. There was something psychologically
comforting about that, since I wanted to have just one....
[...]
"I had a boy, and everything is fine. But thinking about becoming
pregnant again is terrifying...."
[...]
_____________________________________________________________________________________
Papa Jack commented:
The really terrifying thing is the matter-of-fact way this 34-year
old woman could describe the decision to kill her identical twins
because they would interfere with her lifestyle.
She seems almost proud of her decision making. The possibility
of marrying the boyfriend is never considered, even though she
tells us they've been together for three years -- and they made
a joint decision to quit using contraceptives.
Consider this from the children's point of view. The twins, of
course, are robbed of their right to live without any considera-
tion. Then, there's the one boy who she carried to delivery.
* He will be raised by a single-mom who is so cold-hearted
she decided to kill his two siblings to protect her lifestyle.
How much will she be willing to sacrifice for his welfare?
* He will grow up without benefit of a father, so the statistics
say he will have a substantially greater chance of experiencing
serious adolescent problems (i.e., drugs, arrests, school
drop-out, etc.).
The Culture of Death (COD) would tell us this is a typical and
normal way to cope with the problems of today.
It makes me shudder.
You're not the only one.
I'm amazed what kind of man would even shack up with a narcissistic
broad like this. They must be made for each other.
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| User: "Frank Dwyer" |
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| Title: Re: One Is Enough |
09 Aug 2004 08:31:20 PM |
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papa jack wrote:
On July 18. 2004, the Herald Tribune (NY Times Subsidiary) posted
an article by Amy Richards titled: "When One Is Enough." Go to:
http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040718/ZNYT04/407180871/1/HEALTHMATTERS
_____________________________________________________________________________________
Excerpts:
[...]
"I found out I was having triplets when I went to my obstetrician.
The doctor had just finished telling me I was going to have a low-
risk pregnancy. She turned on the sonogram machine. There was a
long pause, then she said, 'Are you sure you didn't take fertility
drugs?' I said, ‘I'm positive.' Peter and I were very shocked when
she said there were three. 'You know, this changes everything,' she
said. ‘You'll have to see a specialist.'
"My immediate response was, I cannot have triplets. I was not
married; I lived in a five-story walk-up in the East Village; I
worked freelance; and I would have to go on bed rest in March.
I lecture at colleges, and my biggest months are March and April.
I would have to give up my main income for the rest of the year.
There was a part of me that was sure I could work around that.
But it was a matter of, Do I want to?
"I looked at Peter and asked the doctor: ‘'Is it possible to get
rid of one of them? Or two of them?'' The obstetrician wasn't
an expert in selective reduction, but she knew that with a shot
of potassium chloride you could eliminate one or more.
"...‘This is why they say it's the woman's choice, because you
think I could just carry triplets. That's easy for you to say,
but I'd have to give up my life.'' Not only would I have to be
on bed rest at 20 weeks, I wouldn't be able to fly after 15. I
was already at eight weeks.... ...I'll have to start shopping
only at Costco and buying big jars of mayonnaise. Even in my
moments of thinking about having three, I don't think that deep
down I was ever considering it.
[...]
"When we saw the specialist, we found out that I was carrying
identical twins and a stand alone. My doctors thought the stand
alone was three days older. There was something psychologically
comforting about that, since I wanted to have just one....
[...]
"I had a boy, and everything is fine. But thinking about becoming
pregnant again is terrifying...."
[...]
_____________________________________________________________________________________
Papa Jack commented:
The really terrifying thing is the matter-of-fact way this 34-year
old woman could describe the decision to kill her identical twins
because they would interfere with her lifestyle.
Nothing terrifying about it. She sounds like she looked at it
objectively and made a decision that was right for her, as opposed to a
decision that was right TO YOU.
She seems almost proud of her decision making.
Why shouldn't she. She comes across as confident that she did the right
thing.
Why do you have such a big problem with rational adults making decisions
for themselves?
The possibility of marrying the boyfriend is never considered,
What exactly do you think a marriage is supposed to be about? (hint: it
isn't reproduction)
even though she
tells us they've been together for three years -- and they made
a joint decision to quit using contraceptives.
Big f**kin' deal! Would getting married mean that she could still do the
lectures? Would it mean she wouldn't have to walk up five flights every
day? Would it lower the cost of food or medical bills? Would it mean she
wouldn't be in bed for weeks, or that she'd be able to fly?
She said she wasn't in a position to care for three kids at once, and
you want to COMPOUND it by expecting her to get married when she isn't
ready? You're an idiot to even suggest that marriage is ANY type of
remedy.
Consider this from the children's point of view.
They have/had no point of view.
The twins, of course, are robbed of their right to live without any considera-
tion.
T H E Y N E V E R H A D A R I G H T T O L I V E
One of these days, PJ, that fact is actually going to sink into your
brain.
Then, there's the one boy who she carried to delivery.
* He will be raised by a single-mom who is so cold-hearted
she decided to kill his two siblings to protect her lifestyle.
How much will she be willing to sacrifice for his welfare?
She will *need* to sacrifice very little for his welfare. He'll have
much more now than the food stamps and welfare would've given him if she
had carried all three.
You just don't get it, do you?
* He will grow up without benefit of a father, so the statistics
say he will have a substantially greater chance of experiencing
serious adolescent problems (i.e., drugs, arrests, school
drop-out, etc.).
What the hell are you talking about!? Just because they aren't married
doesn't mean they don't have a father, you ignoramous.
And who's to say they won't end up married some time in the future? My
parents weren't married when I was born (and I'm the youngest), and my
lack of drug use, lack of criminal record, and ever-evolving college
education has served me quite well. Your precious little statistics lie
to you, PJ. I would counter that the kids would have a REAL CHANCE of
having those problems if she had decided to carry all three to term. Due
to her lack of income, she most likely would've had to seek state
assistance, meaning they probably would've been raised in a low-rent,
high-crime neighborhood within a sub-standard school district.
The Culture of Death (COD) would tell us this is a typical and
normal way to cope with the problems of today.
I would tell you that I agree with her decision. I have no idea what the
Catholic Church (the real COD) would tell you, but it would probably be
whatever you wanted to hear.
It makes me shudder.
Good. For someone with your mindset, shuddering at such foresight,
accountability, and responsibility is a proper and expected response.
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