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"J Young" |
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05 Nov 2005 10:59:35 PM |
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one man's view on abortion |
I doubt if I can add a new word to the endless and emotionally charged
debate on abortion. So, I would like to step back and try to frame the
entire argument in a different context.
Just for the record, I do not believe in abortion. I cannot convince myself
that it is not murder, and I worry that it has long term emotional
consequences for the woman, and perhaps even the man. I also cannot
reconcile the dilemma that arises from the absurd proposition that if a baby
naturally emerges from a woman we consider it a precious life with full
adult rights, but if we want to abort it 5 minutes before that natural birth
it is no big deal. Since we live in a world chock full of birth control
information, and since two supposed adults have to enter into a conscious
and voluntary act to create the preconditions for abortion, it just seems as
if there should be little need for the procedure, regardless of its moral
implications. This is not slipping on a bar of soap, or catching a cold. To
me, third trimester abortions are especially abhorrent, and public funding
of abortion forces citizens to pay for what they may consider to be murder.
In the political arena, I think that Steve Forbes makes sense when he talks
about changing the culture before even thinking about changing the laws.
Pro-abortion groups couch their position as nothing more than a health issue
for the woman. It's her body, so it's her choice. I find this argument to be
flawed. I would agree that if it were her body, it would indeed be her
choice. But is it her body? Do we want to consider the second body, the
fetus, to be indistinguishable from the woman's spleen or leg? Is that all
it is, a growth - sometimes desired and sometimes undesired? If we were in
court, we would demand that the woman provide proof of ownership in order
for the fetus to be considered hers to do with as she pleases. How would she
provide that proof? I can think of no better test than a DNA test. If
conducted, we would find that DNA of the fetus is not an exact copy of the
mother's. It is a blend of the mother and the father. A new and unique
creation. The ownership test fails, it is not simply her body. It is not
simply her choice.
The pro-abortion mindset also contains self-deception. They suggest that the
woman's choice is whether to have the child or not. That is not the truth.
Once a woman is pregnant, she has no choice but to host a child. The only
choice is whether or not to kill it. It is not yes or no, it is dead or
alive.
In the end, one group of people believes that abortion is murder. Murder has
been, and should be, a crime that demands justice. Another group of people
see abortion as a personal choice that a woman makes about her own body, a
choice that might keep her from a lifetime burden. Again, I have no new or
better words to add to the statement of the issue. Others do that much
better than I ever will.
But I do want to point out that so long as we remain so divided on such a
fundamental issue, our society and culture will destroy itself with the
violent debate that arises from the conflict. Both sides believe that they
are absolutely and morally right. It's even worse than that. Both sides
believe that the other side is absolutely and morally wrong. I believe that
in the case of issues that so sharply divide the country we should let
individual states determine their own positions. In some sense, this is the
philosophy embodied in the Tenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. The
Tenth Amendment reads:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor
prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or
to the people.
This amendment is perhaps the most abused amendment in the Constitution.
Every time the federal government gets involved in any issue which does not,
out of absolute necessity, cross state boundaries, this amendment is
violated. It creates another brick in the wall of socialism, with its
central control and bureaucracy. More one-size-fits-all thinking.
If we allowed the states to regulate abortion, we would find that the more
liberal states would immediately declare it a basic right, and probably
enact state-sponsored funding. The more conservative states would
immediately declare it murder. States divided on the issue would continue to
struggle. While not a perfect solution, I do believe that it would create a
better environment for living with the problem, and possibly even eventually
resolving it.
The person who is violently against abortion could move to a state where it
is murder. That would hopefully reduce their anger at what goes on around
them. After all, we will never have the power to deny or allow abortion on a
global basis, so the fact that there are limits to the law is something that
must always be lived with. That's true for all issues so long as you believe
in the concept of sovereign nations. But, at least this act of murder will
not be allowed where they live. On the other hand, those who violently
promote abortion can move to a state where they have the total support of
the law. Over time, people still deciding the issue can observe the
consequences of each perspective. That could help settle the issue for them.
The point is, we have 50 states. They are political entities. We are foolish
for not allowing states more freedom to follow the wishes of their citizens.
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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| Title: Re: one man's view on abortion |
06 Nov 2005 07:20:57 PM |
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If it's a man...the point IS?
Paul
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| User: "€€R.L.Measures" |
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06 Nov 2005 07:54:04 PM |
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In article <BF941629.1B6ED%p.duca@comcast.net>, Paul Duca
<p.duca@comcast.net> wrote:
If it's a man...the point IS?
Paul
chortle
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| User: "Mimi Cohen" |
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06 Nov 2005 08:40:19 PM |
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Paul Duca wrote:
If it's a man...the point IS?
Paul
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| User: "Godzilla Pimp" |
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06 Nov 2005 09:30:15 PM |
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#1 Healthy white babies would rarely be aborted if they were allowed to be
sold. Parents often spend several hundred thousand dollars on lawyers trying
to adopt one.
#2 Baby-killing should be legalized. Before babies were born in hospitals,
nearly all deformed babies were killed. Now, parents are terrified at being
stuck taking care of a severely defective child and will not push their luck
by having more than one or two kids. Legalizing baby-killing would result in
more white births and fewer abortions.
GP
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| User: "AndBlankets01" |
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07 Nov 2005 08:23:08 PM |
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"Godzilla Pimp" <me7@privacy.net> wrote in message
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#1 Healthy white babies would rarely be aborted if they were allowed to be
sold. Parents often spend several hundred thousand dollars on lawyers
trying to adopt one.
#2 Baby-killing should be legalized. Before babies were born in hospitals,
nearly all deformed babies were killed. Now, parents are terrified at
being stuck taking care of a severely defective child and will not push
their luck by having more than one or two kids. Legalizing baby-killing
would result in more white births and fewer abortions.
GP
It's so refreshing when the pro-abortionists refrain from their attempts to
veil their true beliefs.
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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08 Nov 2005 07:22:46 AM |
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"AndBlankets01" <andblankets01@cox.net> wrote in
news:PZTbf.71$sg5.54@dukeread12:
It's so refreshing when the pro-abortionists refrain from their
attempts to veil their true beliefs.
if there were any such thing as a 'pro-abortionist.'
it has always amused me to see anti-choicers resort to using that label
since it signified their admission that that have no arguments against
reproductive choice.
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| User: "Mimi Cohen" |
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08 Nov 2005 09:07:56 AM |
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james g. keegan jr. wrote:
"AndBlankets01" <andblankets01@cox.net> wrote in
news:PZTbf.71$sg5.54@dukeread12:
It's so refreshing when the pro-abortionists refrain from their
attempts to veil their true beliefs.
if there were any such thing as a 'pro-abortionist.'
it has always amused me to see anti-choicers resort to using that label
since it signified their admission that that have no arguments against
reproductive choice.
It's highly ironic that the "argument" most spewed by CONservatives is
that PROgressives "have no facts, only feelings" when if the subject is
reproductive choices all CONservatives have is "feelings".
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| User: "€€R.L.Measures" |
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08 Nov 2005 05:20:36 AM |
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In article <PZTbf.71$sg5.54@dukeread12>, "AndBlankets01"
<andblankets01@cox.net> wrote:
"Godzilla Pimp" <me7@privacy.net> wrote in message
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#1 Healthy white babies would rarely be aborted if they were allowed to be
sold. Parents often spend several hundred thousand dollars on lawyers
trying to adopt one.
#2 Baby-killing should be legalized. Before babies were born in hospitals,
nearly all deformed babies were killed. Now, parents are terrified at
being stuck taking care of a severely defective child and will not push
their luck by having more than one or two kids. Legalizing baby-killing
would result in more white births and fewer abortions.
GP
It's so refreshing when the pro-abortionists refrain from their attempts to
veil their true beliefs.
• OTOH, it could be biting satire from a rabid anti-abortionist who's
eager to earn brownie points way up yonder from the RC God.
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| User: "Bertha Young" |
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07 Nov 2005 09:06:02 PM |
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On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 21:23:08 -0500, "AndBlankets01"
<andblankets01@cox.net> wrote:
"Godzilla Pimp" <me7@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:bTzbf.5860$m81.5129@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
#1 Healthy white babies would rarely be aborted if they were allowed to be
sold. Parents often spend several hundred thousand dollars on lawyers
trying to adopt one.
#2 Baby-killing should be legalized. Before babies were born in hospitals,
nearly all deformed babies were killed. Now, parents are terrified at
being stuck taking care of a severely defective child and will not push
their luck by having more than one or two kids. Legalizing baby-killing
would result in more white births and fewer abortions.
GP
It's so refreshing when the pro-abortionists refrain from their attempts to
veil their true beliefs.
Hi, TerryG.
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| User: "" |
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08 Nov 2005 12:36:48 AM |
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On 7-Nov-2005, Bertha Young <b_young@fastmail.fm> wrote:
On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 21:23:08 -0500, "AndBlankets01"
<andblankets01@cox.net> wrote:
"Godzilla Pimp" <me7@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:bTzbf.5860$m81.5129@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
#1 Healthy white babies would rarely be aborted if they were allowed to
be
sold. Parents often spend several hundred thousand dollars on lawyers
trying to adopt one.
#2 Baby-killing should be legalized. Before babies were born in
hospitals,
nearly all deformed babies were killed. Now, parents are terrified at
being stuck taking care of a severely defective child and will not push
their luck by having more than one or two kids. Legalizing baby-killing
would result in more white births and fewer abortions.
GP
It's so refreshing when the pro-abortionists refrain from their attempts
to
veil their true beliefs.
it's even more refreshing when anti-choicers reveal their utter gullible
stupidity.
Hi, TerryG.
Is this anyone like Terry Cross....?
Susan
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| User: "Terry" |
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06 Nov 2005 10:02:37 PM |
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Baby-killing should be legalized. Before babies were born in hospitals,
nearly all deformed babies were killed. Now, parents are terrified at
being
stuck taking care of a severely defective child and will not push their
luck
by having more than one or two kids. Legalizing baby-killing would result
in
more white births and fewer abortions.
Up untill what age would you allow baby killing?
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| User: "Godzilla Pimp" |
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08 Nov 2005 06:45:17 PM |
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"Terry" <terry.jones938753@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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Baby-killing should be legalized. Before babies were born in hospitals,
nearly all deformed babies were killed. Now, parents are terrified at
being
stuck taking care of a severely defective child and will not push their
luck
by having more than one or two kids. Legalizing baby-killing would result
in
more white births and fewer abortions.
Up untill what age would you allow baby killing?
1 year sounds good.
GP
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| User: "€€R.L.Measures" |
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09 Nov 2005 04:42:56 AM |
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In article <xEbcf.6911$AS6.1021@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Godzilla Pimp" <me7@privacy.net> wrote:
"Terry" <terry.jones938753@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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Baby-killing should be legalized. Before babies were born in hospitals,
nearly all deformed babies were killed. Now, parents are terrified at
being
stuck taking care of a severely defective child and will not push their
luck
by having more than one or two kids. Legalizing baby-killing would result
in
more white births and fewer abortions.
Up untill what age would you allow baby killing?
1 year sounds good.
€€ 2 sounds better.
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| User: "€€R.L.Measures" |
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07 Nov 2005 05:09:21 AM |
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In article <dkmjkt$d6$1@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>, "Terry"
<terry.jones938753@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Baby-killing should be legalized. Before babies were born in hospitals,
nearly all deformed babies were killed. Now, parents are terrified at
being
stuck taking care of a severely defective child and will not push their
luck
by having more than one or two kids. Legalizing baby-killing would result
in
more white births and fewer abortions.
Up untill what age would you allow baby killing?
** Maybe you should have asked what color?
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| User: "€€R.L.Measures" |
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07 Nov 2005 05:07:21 AM |
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In article <bTzbf.5860$m81.5129@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Godzilla Pimp" <me7@privacy.net> wrote:
#1 Healthy white babies would rarely be aborted if they were allowed to be
sold. Parents often spend several hundred thousand dollars on lawyers trying
to adopt one.
#2 Baby-killing should be legalized. Before babies were born in hospitals,
nearly all deformed babies were killed.
** In some societies, seriously defective babies were simply set outside.
Now, parents are terrified at being
stuck taking care of a severely defective child and will not push their luck
by having more than one or two kids.
** A neighbor/friend of ours with two children was pregnant at 40, so she
knew the risk of Downs had increased. She had the fetus checked for Down,
the test was positive. She had it retested and it tested positive again.
She aborted it and it obviously had Downs. She got pregnant again and
this time all went well.
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| User: "Malcolm" |
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06 Nov 2005 03:48:34 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote
Pro-abortion groups couch their position as nothing more than a health
issue
for the woman. It's her body, so it's her choice.
Actually they see the act of abortion as dignifying the woman.
Only the female may make this deeply responsible and serious decision about
whether to keep the baby or not. Abortion is empowering.
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| User: "€€R.L.Measures" |
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06 Nov 2005 05:18:02 AM |
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In article <dkkjhi$fsd$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>, "Malcolm"
<regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote
Pro-abortion groups couch their position as nothing more than a health
issue
for the woman. It's her body, so it's her choice.
Actually they see the act of abortion as dignifying the woman.
Only the female may make this deeply responsible and serious decision about
whether to keep the baby or not. Abortion is empowering.
• The Roman church has never been about empowering women even though it
venerates and adores god's mom to the max.
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| User: "Malcolm" |
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06 Nov 2005 12:19:32 PM |
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"??R.L.Measures" <r_@somis.org> wrote
. The Roman church has never been about empowering women even though it
venerates and adores god's mom to the max.
Joan of Arc?
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| User: "€€R.L.Measures" |
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06 Nov 2005 07:02:45 PM |
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In article <dklhfk$433$2@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>, "Malcolm"
<regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote:
"??R.L.Measures" <r_@somis.org> wrote
. The Roman church has never been about empowering women even though it
venerates and adores god's mom to the max.
Joan of Arc?
*** His mom's Aramaic name was most likely Maryan, which was shortened to Mary.
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| User: "Mimi Cohen" |
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06 Nov 2005 08:39:22 PM |
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€€R.L.Measures wrote:
In article <dklhfk$433$2@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>, "Malcolm"
<regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote:
"??R.L.Measures" <r_@somis.org> wrote
. The Roman church has never been about empowering women even though it
venerates and adores god's mom to the max.
Joan of Arc?
*** His mom's Aramaic name was most likely Maryan, which was shortened to Mary.
actually her name would have been Miriam and his would have been Yeshua,
ASSuming, of course, that either of them even existed.
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| User: "€€R.L.Measures" |
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07 Nov 2005 04:56:37 AM |
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In article <r7zbf.14130$gj1.5188@fed1read05>, Mimi Cohen <imnot@cox.net> wrote:
€€R.L.Measures wrote:
In article <dklhfk$433$2@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>, "Malcolm"
<regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote:
"??R.L.Measures" <r_@somis.org> wrote
. The Roman church has never been about empowering women even though it
venerates and adores god's mom to the max.
Joan of Arc?
*** His mom's Aramaic name was most likely Maryan, which was shortened
to Mary.
actually her name would have been Miriam
*** Miriam is seemingly not an Aramaic name. In Aramaic, maryan
literally means "revolution".
and his would have been Yeshua,
ASSuming, of course, that either of them even existed.
*** The name Yeshua appears in the Dead Sea Scrolls. He was an
intinerant rabbi who travelled about Judea in the 1st century giving
outdoor lectures. Yeshua's followers referred to him as 'the teacher of
righteousness'.
cheerz, Mimi
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| User: "Mimi Cohen" |
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07 Nov 2005 07:59:37 AM |
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€€R.L.Measures wrote:
In article <r7zbf.14130$gj1.5188@fed1read05>, Mimi Cohen <imnot@cox.net> wrote:
€€R.L.Measures wrote:
In article <dklhfk$433$2@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>, "Malcolm"
<regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote:
"??R.L.Measures" <r_@somis.org> wrote
. The Roman church has never been about empowering women even though it
venerates and adores god's mom to the max.
Joan of Arc?
*** His mom's Aramaic name was most likely Maryan, which was shortened
to Mary.
actually her name would have been Miriam
*** Miriam is seemingly not an Aramaic name. In Aramaic, maryan
literally means "revolution".
Why would a supposed Hebrew woman have a name other that a Hebrew one?
and his would have been Yeshua,
ASSuming, of course, that either of them even existed.
*** The name Yeshua appears in the Dead Sea Scrolls. He was an
intinerant rabbi who travelled about Judea in the 1st century giving
outdoor lectures. Yeshua's followers referred to him as 'the teacher of
righteousness'.
That a *VERY* common name appeared in a document that is older than the
xian "new testament" was written or codified does not prove the
existence of a man born after the document was written means nothing.
Still these supposed people were supposed to be Hebrews and would
therefore have Hebrew names.
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| User: "AndBlankets01" |
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07 Nov 2005 08:20:49 PM |
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"Mimi Cohen" <imnot@cox.net> wrote in message
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€€R.L.Measures wrote:
In article <r7zbf.14130$gj1.5188@fed1read05>, Mimi Cohen <imnot@cox.net>
wrote:
€€R.L.Measures wrote:
In article <dklhfk$433$2@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>,
"Malcolm"
<regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote:
"??R.L.Measures" <r_@somis.org> wrote
. The Roman church has never been about empowering women even though
it
venerates and adores god's mom to the max.
Joan of Arc?
*** His mom's Aramaic name was most likely Maryan, which was shortened
to Mary.
actually her name would have been Miriam
*** Miriam is seemingly not an Aramaic name. In Aramaic, maryan
literally means "revolution".
Why would a supposed Hebrew woman have a name other that a Hebrew one?
and his would have been Yeshua, ASSuming, of course, that either of them
even existed.
*** The name Yeshua appears in the Dead Sea Scrolls. He was an
intinerant rabbi who travelled about Judea in the 1st century giving
outdoor lectures. Yeshua's followers referred to him as 'the teacher of
righteousness'.
That a *VERY* common name appeared in a document that is older than the
xian "new testament" was written or codified does not prove the existence
of a man born after the document was written means nothing. Still these
supposed people were supposed to be Hebrews and would therefore have
Hebrew names.
I thank you for the referrence to the cross upon which my Lord and Savior
died in order to save us from the punishment we so justly deserve.
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| User: "Bertha Young" |
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07 Nov 2005 09:05:48 PM |
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On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 21:20:49 -0500, "AndBlankets01"
<andblankets01@cox.net> wrote:
"Mimi Cohen" <imnot@cox.net> wrote in message
news:b5Jbf.14179$gj1.8290@fed1read05...
€€R.L.Measures wrote:
In article <r7zbf.14130$gj1.5188@fed1read05>, Mimi Cohen <imnot@cox.net>
wrote:
€€R.L.Measures wrote:
In article <dklhfk$433$2@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>,
"Malcolm"
<regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote:
"??R.L.Measures" <r_@somis.org> wrote
. The Roman church has never been about empowering women even though
it
venerates and adores god's mom to the max.
Joan of Arc?
*** His mom's Aramaic name was most likely Maryan, which was shortened
to Mary.
actually her name would have been Miriam
*** Miriam is seemingly not an Aramaic name. In Aramaic, maryan
literally means "revolution".
Why would a supposed Hebrew woman have a name other that a Hebrew one?
and his would have been Yeshua, ASSuming, of course, that either of them
even existed.
*** The name Yeshua appears in the Dead Sea Scrolls. He was an
intinerant rabbi who travelled about Judea in the 1st century giving
outdoor lectures. Yeshua's followers referred to him as 'the teacher of
righteousness'.
That a *VERY* common name appeared in a document that is older than the
xian "new testament" was written or codified does not prove the existence
of a man born after the document was written means nothing. Still these
supposed people were supposed to be Hebrews and would therefore have
Hebrew names.
I thank you for the referrence to the cross upon which my Lord and Savior
died in order to save us from the punishment we so justly deserve.
Lmao.
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07 Nov 2005 09:20:21 PM |
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"Bertha Young" <b_young@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
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On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 21:20:49 -0500, "AndBlankets01"
<andblankets01@cox.net> wrote:
"Mimi Cohen" <imnot@cox.net> wrote in message
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??R.L.Measures wrote:
In article <r7zbf.14130$gj1.5188@fed1read05>, Mimi Cohen
<imnot@cox.net>
wrote:
??R.L.Measures wrote:
In article <dklhfk$433$2@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>,
"Malcolm"
<regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote:
"??R.L.Measures" <r_@somis.org> wrote
. The Roman church has never been about empowering women even
though
it
venerates and adores god's mom to the max.
Joan of Arc?
*** His mom's Aramaic name was most likely Maryan, which was
shortened
to Mary.
actually her name would have been Miriam
*** Miriam is seemingly not an Aramaic name. In Aramaic, maryan
literally means "revolution".
Why would a supposed Hebrew woman have a name other that a Hebrew one?
and his would have been Yeshua, ASSuming, of course, that either of
them
even existed.
*** The name Yeshua appears in the Dead Sea Scrolls. He was an
intinerant rabbi who travelled about Judea in the 1st century giving
outdoor lectures. Yeshua's followers referred to him as 'the teacher
of
righteousness'.
That a *VERY* common name appeared in a document that is older than the
xian "new testament" was written or codified does not prove the
existence
of a man born after the document was written means nothing. Still these
supposed people were supposed to be Hebrews and would therefore have
Hebrew names.
I thank you for the referrence to the cross upon which my Lord and Savior
died in order to save us from the punishment we so justly deserve.
Lmao.
Laugh all you like - He died for your sins, too. Whether you choose to
accept His sacrifice is your choice - but know that the wages of sin is
death.
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| User: "Bertha Young" |
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| Title: Re: one man's view on abortion |
07 Nov 2005 09:32:39 PM |
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On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 22:20:21 -0500, "AndBlankets01"
<andblankets01@cox.net> wrote:
"Bertha Young" <b_young@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:vf50n1pm5u9rv2adqtskg6o3lcusc7ir2g@4ax.com...
On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 21:20:49 -0500, "AndBlankets01"
<andblankets01@cox.net> wrote:
"Mimi Cohen" <imnot@cox.net> wrote in message
news:b5Jbf.14179$gj1.8290@fed1read05...
??R.L.Measures wrote:
In article <r7zbf.14130$gj1.5188@fed1read05>, Mimi Cohen
<imnot@cox.net>
wrote:
??R.L.Measures wrote:
In article <dklhfk$433$2@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>,
"Malcolm"
<regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote:
"??R.L.Measures" <r_@somis.org> wrote
. The Roman church has never been about empowering women even
though
it
venerates and adores god's mom to the max.
Joan of Arc?
*** His mom's Aramaic name was most likely Maryan, which was
shortened
to Mary.
actually her name would have been Miriam
*** Miriam is seemingly not an Aramaic name. In Aramaic, maryan
literally means "revolution".
Why would a supposed Hebrew woman have a name other that a Hebrew one?
and his would have been Yeshua, ASSuming, of course, that either of
them
even existed.
*** The name Yeshua appears in the Dead Sea Scrolls. He was an
intinerant rabbi who travelled about Judea in the 1st century giving
outdoor lectures. Yeshua's followers referred to him as 'the teacher
of
righteousness'.
That a *VERY* common name appeared in a document that is older than the
xian "new testament" was written or codified does not prove the
existence
of a man born after the document was written means nothing. Still these
supposed people were supposed to be Hebrews and would therefore have
Hebrew names.
I thank you for the referrence to the cross upon which my Lord and Savior
died in order to save us from the punishment we so justly deserve.
Lmao.
Laugh all you like - He died for your sins, too. Whether you choose to
accept His sacrifice is your choice - but know that the wages of sin is
death.
It's all a man made story to convince everybody to sacrifice
themselves, in blood and in soul, for some bigger *****.
No, thanks. I'm sure Christ would concur.
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| User: "Mimi Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: one man's view on abortion |
07 Nov 2005 09:17:15 PM |
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Bertha Young wrote:
On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 21:20:49 -0500, "AndBlankets01"
<andblankets01@cox.net> wrote:
"Mimi Cohen" <imnot@cox.net> wrote in message
news:b5Jbf.14179$gj1.8290@fed1read05...
€€R.L.Measures wrote:
In article <r7zbf.14130$gj1.5188@fed1read05>, Mimi Cohen <imnot@cox.net>
wrote:
€€R.L.Measures wrote:
In article <dklhfk$433$2@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>,
"Malcolm"
<regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote:
"??R.L.Measures" <r_@somis.org> wrote
. The Roman church has never been about empowering women even though
it
venerates and adores god's mom to the max.
Joan of Arc?
*** His mom's Aramaic name was most likely Maryan, which was shortened
to Mary.
actually her name would have been Miriam
*** Miriam is seemingly not an Aramaic name. In Aramaic, maryan
literally means "revolution".
Why would a supposed Hebrew woman have a name other that a Hebrew one?
and his would have been Yeshua, ASSuming, of course, that either of them
even existed.
*** The name Yeshua appears in the Dead Sea Scrolls. He was an
intinerant rabbi who travelled about Judea in the 1st century giving
outdoor lectures. Yeshua's followers referred to him as 'the teacher of
righteousness'.
That a *VERY* common name appeared in a document that is older than the
xian "new testament" was written or codified does not prove the existence
of a man born after the document was written means nothing. Still these
supposed people were supposed to be Hebrews and would therefore have
Hebrew names.
I thank you for the referrence to the cross upon which my Lord and Savior
died in order to save us from the punishment we so justly deserve.
Lmao.
It's delusional :)
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| User: "AndBlankets01" |
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| Title: Re: one man's view on abortion |
07 Nov 2005 09:24:35 PM |
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"Mimi Cohen" <imnot@cox.net> wrote in message
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Bertha Young wrote:
On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 21:20:49 -0500, "AndBlankets01"
<andblankets01@cox.net> wrote:
"Mimi Cohen" <imnot@cox.net> wrote in message
news:b5Jbf.14179$gj1.8290@fed1read05...
€€R.L.Measures wrote:
In article <r7zbf.14130$gj1.5188@fed1read05>, Mimi Cohen
<imnot@cox.net> wrote:
€€R.L.Measures wrote:
In article <dklhfk$433$2@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>,
"Malcolm"
<regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote:
"??R.L.Measures" <r_@somis.org> wrote
. The Roman church has never been about empowering women even
though it
venerates and adores god's mom to the max.
Joan of Arc?
*** His mom's Aramaic name was most likely Maryan, which was
shortened
to Mary.
actually her name would have been Miriam
*** Miriam is seemingly not an Aramaic name. In Aramaic, maryan
literally means "revolution".
Why would a supposed Hebrew woman have a name other that a Hebrew one?
and his would have been Yeshua, ASSuming, of course, that either of
them even existed.
*** The name Yeshua appears in the Dead Sea Scrolls. He was an
intinerant rabbi who travelled about Judea in the 1st century giving
outdoor lectures. Yeshua's followers referred to him as 'the teacher
of
righteousness'.
That a *VERY* common name appeared in a document that is older than the
xian "new testament" was written or codified does not prove the
existence of a man born after the document was written means nothing.
Still these supposed people were supposed to be Hebrews and would
therefore have Hebrew names.
I thank you for the referrence to the cross upon which my Lord and Savior
died in order to save us from the punishment we so justly deserve.
Lmao.
It's delusional :)
"Ohhh... If you want to be posessive, it's just I - T - S, but if you want
it to be a contraction, then it's I - T - APOSTRPHE - S. Scalawag."
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| User: "Mimi Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: one man's view on abortion |
07 Nov 2005 09:30:44 PM |
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AndBlankets01 wrote:
"Mimi Cohen" <imnot@cox.net> wrote in message
news:ZMUbf.14255$gj1.6649@fed1read05...
Bertha Young wrote:
On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 21:20:49 -0500, "AndBlankets01"
<andblankets01@cox.net> wrote:
"Mimi Cohen" <imnot@cox.net> wrote in message
news:b5Jbf.14179$gj1.8290@fed1read05...
€€R.L.Measures wrote:
In article <r7zbf.14130$gj1.5188@fed1read05>, Mimi Cohen
<imnot@cox.net> wrote:
€€R.L.Measures wrote:
In article <dklhfk$433$2@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>,
"Malcolm"
<regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote:
"??R.L.Measures" <r_@somis.org> wrote
. The Roman church has never been about empowering women even
though it
venerates and adores god's mom to the max.
Joan of Arc?
*** His mom's Aramaic name was most likely Maryan, which was
shortened
to Mary.
actually her name would have been Miriam
*** Miriam is seemingly not an Aramaic name. In Aramaic, maryan
literally means "revolution".
Why would a supposed Hebrew woman have a name other that a Hebrew one?
and his would have been Yeshua, ASSuming, of course, that either of
them even existed.
*** The name Yeshua appears in the Dead Sea Scrolls. He was an
intinerant rabbi who travelled about Judea in the 1st century giving
outdoor lectures. Yeshua's followers referred to him as 'the teacher
of
righteousness'.
That a *VERY* common name appeared in a document that is older than the
xian "new testament" was written or codified does not prove the
existence of a man born after the document was written means nothing.
Still these supposed people were supposed to be Hebrews and would
therefore have Hebrew names.
I thank you for the referrence to the cross upon which my Lord and Savior
died in order to save us from the punishment we so justly deserve.
Lmao.
It's delusional :)
"Ohhh... If you want to be posessive, it's just I - T - S, but if you want
it to be a contraction, then it's I - T - APOSTRPHE - S. Scalawag."
Just because *YOU* recently learned that, don't ASSume that no one else
knows it, moron. "It's" contraction *IT IS* you fucking stupid sock puppet.
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| User: "AndBlankets01" |
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| Title: Re: one man's view on abortion |
07 Nov 2005 10:07:50 PM |
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"Mimi Cohen" <imnot@cox.net> wrote in message
news:BZUbf.14260$gj1.12605@fed1read05...
AndBlankets01 wrote:
"Mimi Cohen" <imnot@cox.net> wrote in message
news:ZMUbf.14255$gj1.6649@fed1read05...
Bertha Young wrote:
On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 21:20:49 -0500, "AndBlankets01"
<andblankets01@cox.net> wrote:
"Mimi Cohen" <imnot@cox.net> wrote in message
news:b5Jbf.14179$gj1.8290@fed1read05...
€€R.L.Measures wrote:
In article <r7zbf.14130$gj1.5188@fed1read05>, Mimi Cohen
<imnot@cox.net> wrote:
€€R.L.Measures wrote:
In article <dklhfk$433$2@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>,
"Malcolm"
<regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote:
"??R.L.Measures" <r_@somis.org> wrote
. The Roman church has never been about empowering women even
though it
venerates and adores god's mom to the max.
Joan of Arc?
*** His mom's Aramaic name was most likely Maryan, which was
shortened
to Mary.
actually her name would have been Miriam
*** Miriam is seemingly not an Aramaic name. In Aramaic, maryan
literally means "revolution".
Why would a supposed Hebrew woman have a name other that a Hebrew one?
and his would have been Yeshua, ASSuming, of course, that either of
them even existed.
*** The name Yeshua appears in the Dead Sea Scrolls. He was an
intinerant rabbi who travelled about Judea in the 1st century giving
outdoor lectures. Yeshua's followers referred to him as 'the teacher
of
righteousness'.
That a *VERY* common name appeared in a document that is older than
the xian "new testament" was written or codified does not prove the
existence of a man born after the document was written means nothing.
Still these supposed people were supposed to be Hebrews and would
therefore have Hebrew names.
I thank you for the referrence to the cross upon which my Lord and
Savior died in order to save us from the punishment we so justly
deserve.
Lmao.
It's delusional :)
"Ohhh... If you want to be posessive, it's just I - T - S, but if you
want it to be a contraction, then it's I - T - APOSTRPHE - S.
Scalawag."
Just because *YOU* recently learned that, don't ASSume that no one else
knows it, moron. "It's" contraction *IT IS* you fucking stupid sock
puppet.
I guess you didn't get it.
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