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"Dakota4547" |
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20 May 2004 11:51:35 AM |
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One quick question. |
There are thousands upon thousands of people on waiting lists to adopt a
newborn baby.
Thousands upon thousands of babies are aborted because the mother
a) doesn't want to raise it.
b) can't afford the pregnancy.
c) was raped, etc...
If a pregnant woman doesn't want her child for reasons that would appear after
the baby is born, what is so wrong with giving it up for adoption?
Today's society doesn't look down on pregnant teenagers anymore, it simply says
"oh well" and moves on.
I firmly believe in the women's right to choose. There are a lot of choices
out there available to all women:
1) condoms
2) Pill
3) patch
4) diaphram
5) IUD
....and my personal favorite:
6) abstinence.
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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20 May 2004 02:52:21 PM |
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"Dakota4547" <dakota4547@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040520125135.20035.00001048@mb-m24.aol.com...
There are thousands upon thousands of people on waiting lists to adopt a
newborn baby.
** Why ONLY newborns? Why not the thousands and thousands of slightly older
or disabled kids available?
Thousands upon thousands of babies are aborted because the mother
a) doesn't want to raise it.
b) can't afford the pregnancy.
c) was raped, etc...
** And that's her choice as we all know.
If a pregnant woman doesn't want her child for reasons that would appear
after
the baby is born, what is so wrong with giving it up for adoption?
** Some do give them up - and family members usually end up with them.
Today's society doesn't look down on pregnant teenagers anymore, it simply
says
"oh well" and moves on.
I firmly believe in the women's right to choose. There are a lot of
choices
out there available to all women:
1) condoms
** Which many men refuse to wear because it interferes with their pleasure.
2) Pill
** Which is 99.99% effective if taken correctly. How does a teen get them?
Also, not all women can take them.
3) patch
4) diaphram
5) IUD
** # 4 is not reliable and not pleasant to "install" in certain
circumstances - where would a teen get one? And #5 is not safe as women have
gotten infections and their uterus punctured with them.
...and my personal favorite:
6) abstinence.
** Maybe YOU don't like sex but most people do, especially the young
people. :-)
--
FPower.......
But look what your Jehovah god said in his bible:
Psalm 137:9
"Happy shall he be that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the
stones." (Infanticide approved by god)
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| User: "Somesappywriter" |
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20 May 2004 04:21:35 PM |
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On Thu, 20 May 2004 14:52:21 -0500, "Flower Power"
<FreeWomen@this.net> wrote:
"Dakota4547" <dakota4547@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040520125135.20035.00001048@mb-m24.aol.com...
There are thousands upon thousands of people on waiting lists to adopt a
newborn baby.
** Why ONLY newborns? Why not the thousands and thousands of slightly older
or disabled kids available?
Thousands upon thousands of babies are aborted because the mother
a) doesn't want to raise it.
b) can't afford the pregnancy.
c) was raped, etc...
** And that's her choice as we all know.
Regardless of the reason.
If a pregnant woman doesn't want her child for reasons that would appear
after
the baby is born, what is so wrong with giving it up for adoption?
** Some do give them up - and family members usually end up with them.
That's a post-pardum choice she may elect. It hasn't a thing to do
with an ongoing pregnancy.
Today's society doesn't look down on pregnant teenagers anymore, it simply
says
"oh well" and moves on.
I firmly believe in the women's right to choose. There are a lot of
choices
out there available to all women:
1) condoms
** Which many men refuse to wear because it interferes with their pleasure.
Which are also breakable.
2) Pill
** Which is 99.99% effective if taken correctly. How does a teen get them?
Hopefully via a responsible, loving parent/guardian.
Also, not all women can take them.
Some have serious side effects.
3) patch
4) diaphram
5) IUD
** # 4 is not reliable and not pleasant to "install" in certain
circumstances - where would a teen get one? And #5 is not safe as women have
gotten infections and their uterus punctured with them.
You have a point, there.
...and my personal favorite:
6) abstinence.
** Maybe YOU don't like sex but most people do, especially the young
people. :-)
Especially those of us who are married. ;-)
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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20 May 2004 05:16:41 PM |
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"Somesappywriter" <sappywriter@poetic.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 20 May 2004 14:52:21 -0500, "Flower Power"
** Maybe YOU don't like sex but most people do, especially the young
people. :-)
Especially those of us who are married. ;-)
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Yep! :-) You got that right.
--
MRS. FP....
Do they also warn women of the dangers of term pregnancy and
birth?.......like:
http://www.indiaparenting.com/pregnancy/data/preg16_00.shtml
http://www.imnotsorry.net/
http://www.agi-usa.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html
The risk of death associated with childbirth is about 11 times as high as
that associated with abortion.27
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| User: "Dakota Rogers" |
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21 May 2004 04:40:11 PM |
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"Dakota4547" <dakota4547@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040520125135.20035.00001048@mb-m24.aol.com...
There are thousands upon thousands of people on waiting lists to adopt a
newborn baby.
** Why ONLY newborns? Why not the thousands and thousands of slightly older
or disabled kids available?
Beside the point.
Thousands upon thousands of babies are aborted because the mother
a) doesn't want to raise it.
b) can't afford the pregnancy.
c) was raped, etc...
<snip>
** Some do give them up - and family members usually end up with them.
That's a post-pardum choice she may elect. It hasn't a thing to do with an
ongoing pregnancy.
Oh, but it does. It involves the -reason- behind her choice. If there is
nothing wrong with the fetus or mother, and there are no forseeable
complications, what's so wrong with carrying the child to term and giving it to
someone who DOES want it?
Today's society doesn't look down on pregnant teenagers anymore, it simply
says
"oh well" and moves on.
I firmly believe in the women's right to choose. There are a lot of
choices
out there available to all women:
1) condoms
** Which many men refuse to wear because it interferes with their pleasure.
And a man's pleasure is more important than the possibility of "messing up"?
Wearing a seat belt may interfere with the pleasure of driving, are you saying
we shouldn't wear it?
2) Pill
** Which is 99.99% effective if taken correctly. How does a teen get them?
Hopefully via a responsible, loving parent/guardian.
Thank you.
Also, not all women can take them.
Some have serious side effects.
Which brings us to the other choices.
3) patch
4) diaphram
5) IUD
** # 4 is not reliable and not pleasant to "install" in certain
circumstances - where would a teen get one? And #5 is not safe as women have
gotten infections and their uterus punctured with them.
You have a point, there.
Yes, there is that point, but as I mentioned, there are other choices.
...and my personal favorite:
6) abstinence.
** Maybe YOU don't like sex but most people do, especially the young
people. :-)
You assume I don't enjoy sex... my fiancee and I both enjoy sex, that's why I'm
7 months pregnant.
Especially those of us who are married. ;-)
....yeah, I think my ex-husband's gay.
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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22 May 2004 12:25:38 AM |
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"Dakota Rogers" <dakota4547@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
news:20040521174011.22456.00001043@mb-m29.aol.com...
"Dakota4547" <dakota4547@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040520125135.20035.00001048@mb-m24.aol.com...
There are thousands upon thousands of people on waiting lists to adopt
a
newborn baby.
** Why ONLY newborns? Why not the thousands and thousands of slightly
older
or disabled kids available?
Beside the point.
## Excuse me, not really. Most babies that would be added to the Foster
Care rolls would not be 100% healthy, white, blue eyed blondes. And didn't
another poster say BOYS were snatched right up while girl infants, although
white, were left behind? Why add a few million more to the thousands
already languishing in the system?
That's a post-pardum choice she may elect. It hasn't a thing to do with
an
ongoing pregnancy.
Oh, but it does. It involves the -reason- behind her choice. If there is
nothing wrong with the fetus or mother, and there are no forseeable
complications, what's so wrong with carrying the child to term and giving
it to
someone who DOES want it?
## First because she stands the chance of death and complications for
HERSELF, including astronomical medical bills that can destroy her future
for many years to come, and ruin her credit. And if the baby isn't a WHITE
MALE there may be no one there who wants it. Sad but true. What if the
child has disabilities? There are thousands of bi-racial and minority kids
available - let those who want to adopt consider them.
** Which many men refuse to wear because it interferes with their
pleasure.
And a man's pleasure is more important than the possibility of "messing
up"?
## Apparently so, since men do not want to use condoms.
Wearing a seat belt may interfere with the pleasure of driving, are you
saying
we shouldn't wear it?
## No, I said men do NOT want to wear them.
** Which is 99.99% effective if taken correctly. How does a teen get
them?
Hopefully via a responsible, loving parent/guardian.
## I wish that were the case. Most parents are in denial that their little
sweetie pie daughter may be having sex somewhere and not be at her
girlfriend's house playing checkers and listening the a new CD.
...and my personal favorite:
6) abstinence.
** Maybe YOU don't like sex but most people do, especially the young
people. :-)
You assume I don't enjoy sex... my fiancee and I both enjoy sex, that's
why I'm
7 months pregnant.
## Then why expect others to practice abstinence when you yourself didn't?
Especially those of us who are married. ;-)
...yeah, I think my ex-husband's gay.
## Whatever floats his boat.... :-)
--
FP....
Do they also warn women of the dangers of term pregnancy and
birth?.......like:
http://www.indiaparenting.com/pregnancy/data/preg16_00.shtml
http://www.imnotsorry.net/
http://www.agi-usa.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html
The risk of death associated with childbirth is about 11 times as high as
that associated with abortion.27
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| User: "Bob SD" |
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20 May 2004 02:59:01 PM |
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(Dakota4547) wrote in
news:20040520125135.20035.00001048@mb-m24.aol.com:
There are thousands upon thousands of people on waiting lists to adopt
a newborn baby.
Thousands upon thousands of babies are aborted because the mother
a) doesn't want to raise it.
b) can't afford the pregnancy.
c) was raped, etc...
If a pregnant woman doesn't want her child for reasons that would
appear after the baby is born, what is so wrong with giving it up for
adoption? Today's society doesn't look down on pregnant teenagers
anymore, it simply says "oh well" and moves on.
I firmly believe in the women's right to choose. There are a lot of
choices out there available to all women:
1) condoms
2) Pill
3) patch
4) diaphram
5) IUD
...and my personal favorite:
6) abstinence.
Once a woman is pregnant, there are only two choices... Delivery or
abortion. Thank goodness she has these two choices.
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| User: "Somesappywriter" |
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| Title: Re: One quick question. |
20 May 2004 04:21:48 PM |
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On 20 May 2004 14:59:01 -0500, Bob <SD> wrote:
dakota4547@aol.com (Dakota4547) wrote in
news:20040520125135.20035.00001048@mb-m24.aol.com:
There are thousands upon thousands of people on waiting lists to adopt
a newborn baby.
Thousands upon thousands of babies are aborted because the mother
a) doesn't want to raise it.
b) can't afford the pregnancy.
c) was raped, etc...
If a pregnant woman doesn't want her child for reasons that would
appear after the baby is born, what is so wrong with giving it up for
adoption? Today's society doesn't look down on pregnant teenagers
anymore, it simply says "oh well" and moves on.
I firmly believe in the women's right to choose. There are a lot of
choices out there available to all women:
1) condoms
2) Pill
3) patch
4) diaphram
5) IUD
...and my personal favorite:
6) abstinence.
Once a woman is pregnant, there are only two choices... Delivery or
abortion. Thank goodness she has these two choices.
I agree.
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| User: "Mark Sebree" |
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20 May 2004 04:17:56 PM |
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(Dakota4547) wrote in message news:<20040520125135.20035.00001048@mb-m24.aol.com>...
There are thousands upon thousands of people on waiting lists to adopt a
newborn baby.
Thousands upon thousands of babies are aborted because the mother
a) doesn't want to raise it.
b) can't afford the pregnancy.
c) was raped, etc...
If a pregnant woman doesn't want her child for reasons that would appear after
the baby is born, what is so wrong with giving it up for adoption?
Absolutely nothing, IF that is the woman's choice. However, that
still does not give you the right to force her to continue her
pregnacy against her will.
Today's society doesn't look down on pregnant teenagers anymore, it simply says
"oh well" and moves on.
Nothing wrong with that. And I am talking about "society's attitude",
not teenagers getting pregnant.
I firmly believe in the women's right to choose. There are a lot of choices
out there available to all women:
1) condoms
2) Pill
3) patch
4) diaphram
5) IUD
...and my personal favorite:
6) abstinence.
All of which have failure rates, i.e. are not perfect. And that
includes when used in combination.
And all those choices you listed MUST be made prior to conception.
Once a woman is pregnant, her choices are reduced to two, continue the
pregnancy or get an abortion. There are no other valid choices
available (and I do not count suicide as a valid choice) to the woman
until the pregnancy ends in one manner or another.
Mark Sebree
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| User: "Frank Dwyer" |
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20 May 2004 12:24:24 PM |
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Dakota4547 wrote:
There are thousands upon thousands of people on waiting lists to adopt a
newborn baby.
Why just newborns? Don't adolescents have any value to these people?
Thousands upon thousands of babies are aborted because the mother
a) doesn't want to raise it.
b) can't afford the pregnancy.
c) was raped, etc...
If a pregnant woman doesn't want her child for reasons that would appear after
the baby is born, what is so wrong with giving it up for adoption?
There are thousands and thousands of people waiting to be adopted. What
is so wrong with adopting those already there?
Today's society doesn't look down on pregnant teenagers anymore, it simply says
"oh well" and moves on.
I firmly believe in the women's right to choose. There are a lot of choices
out there available to all women:
1) condoms
2) Pill
3) patch
4) diaphram
5) IUD
All of which have a failure rate.
...and my personal favorite:
6) abstinence.
That's your favorite? If someone doesn't wish to have a child,
abstinence is an unreasonable expectation.
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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20 May 2004 02:54:21 PM |
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"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@citlink.net> wrote in message
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Dakota4547 wrote:
...and my personal favorite:
6) abstinence.
That's your favorite? If someone doesn't wish to have a child,
abstinence is an unreasonable expectation.
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Not if you're one of these weird people who have no sex drive, see sex as
"dirty" or get no pleasure from sex. ;-)
--
FP....
Do they also warn women of the dangers of term pregnancy and
birth?.......like:
http://www.indiaparenting.com/pregnancy/data/preg16_00.shtml
http://www.imnotsorry.net/
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| User: "Bob SD" |
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21 May 2004 11:34:05 AM |
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"Flower Power" <FreeWomen@this.net> wrote in news:R_CdnWf47edokTDdRVn-
vg@heartoftn.net:
"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@citlink.net> wrote in message
news:40ACEA4D.FFDEC9CA@citlink.net...
Dakota4547 wrote:
...and my personal favorite:
6) abstinence.
That's your favorite? If someone doesn't wish to have a child,
abstinence is an unreasonable expectation.
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Not if you're one of these weird people who have no sex drive, see sex as
"dirty" or get no pleasure from sex. ;-)
Do you mean like the anti-choice zealots who post in these ngs?
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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21 May 2004 12:11:32 PM |
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"Bob" <SD> wrote in message news:Xns94F0573662C1ASD@153.80.109.11...
"Flower Power" <FreeWomen@this.net> wrote in news:R_CdnWf47edokTDdRVn-
vg@heartoftn.net:
"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@citlink.net> wrote in message
news:40ACEA4D.FFDEC9CA@citlink.net...
Dakota4547 wrote:
...and my personal favorite:
6) abstinence.
That's your favorite? If someone doesn't wish to have a child,
abstinence is an unreasonable expectation.
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Not if you're one of these weird people who have no sex drive, see sex
as
"dirty" or get no pleasure from sex. ;-)
Do you mean like the anti-choice zealots who post in these ngs?
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LOL!!! That's exactly who I mean. How did you ever guess? :-)
--
FPower.......
But look what your Jehovah god said in his bible:
Psalm 137:9
"Happy shall he be that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the
stones." (Infanticide approved by god)
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| User: "Bob" |
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21 May 2004 07:45:31 PM |
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"Flower Power" <FreeWomen@this.net> wrote in
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"Bob" <SD> wrote in message news:Xns94F0573662C1ASD@153.80.109.11...
"Flower Power" <FreeWomen@this.net> wrote in news:R_CdnWf47edokTDdRVn-
vg@heartoftn.net:
"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@citlink.net> wrote in message
news:40ACEA4D.FFDEC9CA@citlink.net...
Dakota4547 wrote:
...and my personal favorite: 6) abstinence.
That's your favorite? If someone doesn't wish to have a child,
abstinence is an unreasonable expectation.
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Not if you're one of these weird people who have no sex drive, see sex
as "dirty" or get no pleasure from sex. ;-)
Do you mean like the anti-choice zealots who post in these ngs?
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LOL!!! That's exactly who I mean. How did you ever guess? :-)
Educated guess. :o))
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| User: "Dakota Rogers" |
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21 May 2004 04:30:15 PM |
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If someone doesn't wish to have a child, abstinence is an unreasonable
expectation.
Tell me why.
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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22 May 2004 12:13:11 AM |
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"Dakota Rogers" <dakota4547@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
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If someone doesn't wish to have a child, abstinence is an unreasonable
expectation.
Tell me why.
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How many married men do you know who would be happy in a SEXLESS marriage?
How many women?
Nothing is wrong with abstinence for teens but they will not practice it.
Surveys show up to 70% of teens have some sexual experience by age 16. Or
70% ADMIT it, the numbers may be higher. That was some combined survey from
early last year. As I mentioned in another post the age at which girls are
having sex has dropped to 13!!!!
--
FPower.......
But look what your Jehovah god said in his bible:
Psalm 137:9
"Happy shall he be that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the
stones." (Infanticide approved by god)
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| User: "Shawn Hearn" |
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20 May 2004 09:37:39 PM |
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In article <20040520125135.20035.00001048@mb-m24.aol.com>,
(Dakota4547) wrote:
There are thousands upon thousands of people on waiting lists to adopt a
newborn baby.
That's true only for healthy white males. The situation changes a lot
for unhealthy infants, those who are female, and those who are black
or hispanic.
Thousands upon thousands of babies are aborted because the mother
a) doesn't want to raise it.
b) can't afford the pregnancy.
c) was raped, etc...
If a pregnant woman doesn't want her child for reasons that would appear
after the baby is born, what is so wrong with giving it up for adoption?
Nothing and adoption is an option now in such situations. Unfortunately,
the line to adopt children is long only for healthy white male infants.
Children who have passed through their infant stage are also unlikely
to be adopted, even if they are healthy.
I firmly believe in the women's right to choose. There are a lot of choices
out there available to all women:
1) condoms
2) Pill
3) patch
4) diaphram
5) IUD
...and my personal favorite:
6) abstinence.
Good for you.
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| User: "Attila" |
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20 May 2004 02:52:10 PM |
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On 20 May 2004 16:51:35 GMT, (Dakota4547) in
alt.abortion with message-id
<20040520125135.20035.00001048@mb-m24.aol.com> wrote:
There are thousands upon thousands of people on waiting lists to adopt a
newborn baby.
And thousands of children waiting for adoption.
Thousands upon thousands of babies are aborted because the mother
a) doesn't want to raise it.
b) can't afford the pregnancy.
c) was raped, etc...
If a pregnant woman doesn't want her child for reasons that would appear after
the baby is born, what is so wrong with giving it up for adoption?
Since abortion is not an option after birth adoption would appear to
be a viable option here.
Of course, this has nothing to do with the freedom of choice.
Today's society doesn't look down on pregnant teenagers anymore, it simply says
"oh well" and moves on.
I firmly believe in the women's right to choose. There are a lot of choices
out there available to all women:
1) condoms
2) Pill
3) patch
4) diaphram
5) IUD
...and my personal favorite:
6) abstinence.
It is generally understood that the definition of the word
'choice' when used in this context is shorthand for the
freedom of a pregnant woman to decide whether to complete
her pregnancy or to terminate it. Any attempt to expand the
usage of the word beyond this narrow definition is nothing
more than an attempt create a situation which can be argued
because no argument can be sustained within the original and
correct usage.
If you are speaking to a group of programmers and mention
the word 'bug' no one will assume you are peaking of
termites, and if you are playing golf you are not likely to
insist an eagle is a birdie even if they both have feathers.
Attempts to expand the word 'choice' as used here is a
transparent and pathetic ploy.
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| User: "Somesappywriter" |
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20 May 2004 04:10:52 PM |
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On 20 May 2004 16:51:35 GMT, (Dakota4547) wrote:
There are thousands upon thousands of people on waiting lists to adopt a
newborn baby.
Thousands upon thousands of babies are aborted because the mother
a) doesn't want to raise it.
b) can't afford the pregnancy.
c) was raped, etc...
There are other reasons that exist that you cannot even begin to
imagine.
If a pregnant woman doesn't want her child for reasons that would appear after
the baby is born, what is so wrong with giving it up for adoption?
What is so wrong with adopting children that are already "in the
system," waiting for a loving home?
Today's society doesn't look down on pregnant teenagers anymore, it simply says
"oh well" and moves on.
That is what you think. You haven't any idea how difficult it is to
raise a child, that young, and yet, some of us have succeeded.
(I had my first child at eight-teen.)
I firmly believe in the women's right to choose. There are a lot of choices
out there available to all women:
1) condoms
2) Pill
3) patch
4) diaphram
5) IUD
All of which carry a failure rate - abstinence, too.
...and my personal favorite:
6) abstinence.
I bet the thought of married couples making passionate love to one
another really grates you! >-)
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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20 May 2004 05:21:38 PM |
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"Somesappywriter" <sappywriter@poetic.com> wrote in message
news:5i7qa0tge0i2kfug5kg4p5gvusv9tsrjvr@4ax.com...
On 20 May 2004 16:51:35 GMT, (Dakota4547) wrote:
...and my personal favorite:
6) abstinence.
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I bet the thought of married couples making passionate love to one
another really grates you! >-)
It does. It makes them crazy. The very thought of someone making love and
actually *GASP* enjoying it is more than they can handle. You're only
supposed to "tolerate" sex if you want to get pregnant. That's what happens
when religion goes to one's brain.....
FP....--
"Men never do evil so completely and
cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
~ Blaise Pascal (1623-1662) ~
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