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"Papa Jack" |
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15 Aug 2003 05:15:48 PM |
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Orthodox Jews Support Pryor for Judge |
On August 14, 2003, Family.Org posted an article by Terry Phillips
titled: "Orthodox Jews Support Bush Nominee." Go to:
http://www.family.org/cforum/fnif/news/a0027345.cfm
________________________________________________________________________
William Pryor, the president's choice for the 11th U.S. Circuit Court
of Appeals, has been criticized by liberal senators for his religious
views.
Alabama Attorney General William Pryor, President Bush's nominee
to the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, is being filibustered by
liberals for his staunch opposition to abortion. And that's brought
him some surprising supporters.
Richard Stone, a senior vice president of the Orthodox Union, said
abortion is not an issue for many orthodox Jews - but religious
bigotry is.
"Our religious beliefs don't lead us to a visceral negative reaction
to Roe v. Wade," Stone said. "We do get into the issue of whether
religious values, per se, ought to disqualify someone from a judicial
appointment, and we believe that they should not."
During his hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee, which
ultimately confirmed him along party lines, Pryor, a Republican, was
grilled about his view that abortion represents the "slaughter of
millions of innocent unborn children." His opinion on the matter, he
said, has been shaped by his Catholic faith.
Rabbi David Zwiebel, director of government affairs and general
counsel for Agudath Israel of America, an orthodox organization that
does oppose Roe v. Wade, said attempts to disqualify Pryor for his
religious views are a "grievous mistake."
"The religious community is troubled," he added, "because whatever
faith a person may be, their values that they bring are a blessing to
society."
________________________________________________________________________
Papa Jack smiled:
The liberal's blatant bias against all things related to
religious beliefs is starting to stir the natural resentments
of organized religion. Now, they must pretend to be outraged
about such expressions. Hmmmmm.
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15 Aug 2003 06:36:42 PM |
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"Papa Jack" <papajack@stic.net> wrote in message
news:6f9e1b49.0308151415.5026385a@posting.google.com...
On August 14, 2003, Family.Org posted an article by Terry Phillips
titled: "Orthodox Jews Support Bush Nominee." Go to:
http://www.family.org/cforum/fnif/news/a0027345.cfm
________________________________________________________________________
William Pryor, the president's choice for the 11th U.S. Circuit Court
of Appeals, has been criticized by liberal senators for his religious
views.
Alabama Attorney General William Pryor, President Bush's nominee
to the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, is being filibustered by
liberals for his staunch opposition to abortion. And that's brought
him some surprising supporters.
Richard Stone, a senior vice president of the Orthodox Union, said
abortion is not an issue for many orthodox Jews - but religious
bigotry is.
"Our religious beliefs don't lead us to a visceral negative reaction
to Roe v. Wade," Stone said. "We do get into the issue of whether
religious values, per se, ought to disqualify someone from a judicial
appointment, and we believe that they should not."
During his hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee, which
ultimately confirmed him along party lines, Pryor, a Republican, was
grilled about his view that abortion represents the "slaughter of
millions of innocent unborn children." His opinion on the matter, he
said, has been shaped by his Catholic faith.
Rabbi David Zwiebel, director of government affairs and general
counsel for Agudath Israel of America, an orthodox organization that
does oppose Roe v. Wade, said attempts to disqualify Pryor for his
religious views are a "grievous mistake."
"The religious community is troubled," he added, "because whatever
faith a person may be, their values that they bring are a blessing to
society."
________________________________________________________________________
Papa Jack smiled:
The liberal's blatant bias against all things related to
religious beliefs is starting to stir the natural resentments
of organized religion. Now, they must pretend to be outraged
about such expressions. Hmmmmm.
Keep your religion in your damn house where it belongs and we won't have
such a problem, will we?
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| User: "Papa Jack" |
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16 Aug 2003 02:02:10 PM |
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taJewsPryor2
"--sexkitten--" <not@naddress.com> wrote in message
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"Papa Jack" <papajack@stic.net> wrote in message
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Papa Jack cited:
On August 14, 2003, Family.Org posted an article by Terry Phillips
titled: "Orthodox Jews Support Bush Nominee." Go to:
http://www.family.org/cforum/fnif/news/a0027345.cfm
________________________________________________________________________
William Pryor, the president's choice for the 11th U.S. Circuit Court
of Appeals, has been criticized by liberal senators for his religious
views.
Alabama Attorney General William Pryor, President Bush's nominee
to the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, is being filibustered by
liberals for his staunch opposition to abortion. And that's brought
him some surprising supporters.
Richard Stone, a senior vice president of the Orthodox Union, said
abortion is not an issue for many orthodox Jews - but religious
bigotry is.
"Our religious beliefs don't lead us to a visceral negative reaction
to Roe v. Wade," Stone said. "We do get into the issue of whether
religious values, per se, ought to disqualify someone from a judicial
appointment, and we believe that they should not."
During his hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee, which
ultimately confirmed him along party lines, Pryor, a Republican, was
grilled about his view that abortion represents the "slaughter of
millions of innocent unborn children." His opinion on the matter, he
said, has been shaped by his Catholic faith.
Rabbi David Zwiebel, director of government affairs and general
counsel for Agudath Israel of America, an orthodox organization that
does oppose Roe v. Wade, said attempts to disqualify Pryor for his
religious views are a "grievous mistake."
"The religious community is troubled," he added, "because whatever
faith a person may be, their values that they bring are a blessing to
society."
________________________________________________________________________
Papa Jack smiled:
The liberal's blatant bias against all things related to
religious beliefs is starting to stir the natural resentments
of organized religion. Now, they must pretend to be outraged
about such expressions. Hmmmmm.
=======================================================================
Sex Kitten wrote:
Keep your religion in your damn house where it belongs and we
won't have such a problem, will we?
==================================================================
Papa Jack replied:
Not just MY religion. I'm neither a Catholic nor a Jew.
Here's another article which showed opposition to the
liberal's anti-religious bias. You're clearly in the
minority, Sex Kitten.
On July 31, 2003, the Committee for Justice released a
statement titled: "Many See the Anti-Religious Implications
of Dem Questions on Pryor." Go to:
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/030731/dcth036_1.html
_________________________________________________________________________
"The Committee for Justice, which supports constitutionalist
judicial nominees, today applauded the rising tide of com-
munity voices decrying Senate Judiciary Committee Demo-
crats' treatment of federal court nominee Bill Pryor, a
devout Catholic. The controversy stems from Democrats'
repeated citation of Pryor's "deeply held personal beliefs"
as rendering him unfit for the bench.
The Archbishop of Denver, Charles J. Chaput, a possible
candidate for the Papacy, wrote this week, "[T]he commit-
tee debate on Pryor was ugly, and the vote to advance his
nomination split exactly along party lines. Why? Because Mr.
Pryor believes the Catholic teaching about the sanctity of
life is true; that the1973 Supreme Court Roe v. Wade deci-
sion was a poorly reasoned mistake; and that abortion is
wrong in all cases, even rape and incest."...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Are you aware 61% of Anmericans say religion is "very
important to their own lives -- and, 66% say they belong
to a church or synagogue.
POLL ANALYSES; December 24, 2002 by David W. Moore
http://www.gallup.com/poll/releases/pr021224.asp
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17 Aug 2003 12:25:22 AM |
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"Papa Jack" <papajack@stic.net> wrote in message
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taJewsPryor2
"--sexkitten--" <not@naddress.com> wrote in message
news:<bhjqqj$b8dc$1@ID-163025.news.uni-berlin.de>...
"Papa Jack" <papajack@stic.net> wrote in message
news:6f9e1b49.0308151415.5026385a@posting.google.com...
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Papa Jack cited:
On August 14, 2003, Family.Org posted an article by Terry Phillips
titled: "Orthodox Jews Support Bush Nominee." Go to:
http://www.family.org/cforum/fnif/news/a0027345.cfm
________________________________________________________________________
William Pryor, the president's choice for the 11th U.S. Circuit Court
of Appeals, has been criticized by liberal senators for his religious
views.
Alabama Attorney General William Pryor, President Bush's nominee
to the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, is being filibustered by
liberals for his staunch opposition to abortion. And that's brought
him some surprising supporters.
Richard Stone, a senior vice president of the Orthodox Union, said
abortion is not an issue for many orthodox Jews - but religious
bigotry is.
"Our religious beliefs don't lead us to a visceral negative reaction
to Roe v. Wade," Stone said. "We do get into the issue of whether
religious values, per se, ought to disqualify someone from a judicial
appointment, and we believe that they should not."
During his hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee, which
ultimately confirmed him along party lines, Pryor, a Republican, was
grilled about his view that abortion represents the "slaughter of
millions of innocent unborn children." His opinion on the matter, he
said, has been shaped by his Catholic faith.
Rabbi David Zwiebel, director of government affairs and general
counsel for Agudath Israel of America, an orthodox organization that
does oppose Roe v. Wade, said attempts to disqualify Pryor for his
religious views are a "grievous mistake."
"The religious community is troubled," he added, "because whatever
faith a person may be, their values that they bring are a blessing to
society."
________________________________________________________________________
Papa Jack smiled:
The liberal's blatant bias against all things related to
religious beliefs is starting to stir the natural resentments
of organized religion. Now, they must pretend to be outraged
about such expressions. Hmmmmm.
=======================================================================
Sex Kitten wrote:
Keep your religion in your damn house where it belongs and we
won't have such a problem, will we?
==================================================================
Papa Jack replied:
Not just MY religion. I'm neither a Catholic nor a Jew.
Here's another article which showed opposition to the
liberal's anti-religious bias. You're clearly in the
minority, Sex Kitten.
Don't care.
A judge's job is to decide cases based on the law of the land, not the law
of a god. A judicial nominee who is admitting that he bases his opinions
(and from there his judgements) on religious beliefs rather than the law of
the land is unfit to hold the office of judge.
On July 31, 2003, the Committee for Justice released a
statement titled: "Many See the Anti-Religious Implications
of Dem Questions on Pryor." Go to:
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/030731/dcth036_1.html
_________________________________________________________________________
"The Committee for Justice, which supports constitutionalist
judicial nominees, today applauded the rising tide of com-
munity voices decrying Senate Judiciary Committee Demo-
crats' treatment of federal court nominee Bill Pryor, a
devout Catholic. The controversy stems from Democrats'
repeated citation of Pryor's "deeply held personal beliefs"
as rendering him unfit for the bench.
The Archbishop of Denver, Charles J. Chaput, a possible
candidate for the Papacy, wrote this week, "[T]he commit-
tee debate on Pryor was ugly, and the vote to advance his
nomination split exactly along party lines. Why? Because Mr.
Pryor believes the Catholic teaching about the sanctity of
life is true; that the1973 Supreme Court Roe v. Wade deci-
sion was a poorly reasoned mistake; and that abortion is
wrong in all cases, even rape and incest."...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Are you aware 61% of Anmericans say religion is "very
important to their own lives -- and, 66% say they belong
to a church or synagogue.
POLL ANALYSES; December 24, 2002 by David W. Moore
http://www.gallup.com/poll/releases/pr021224.asp
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18 Aug 2003 06:43:10 PM |
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"--sexkitten--" <not@naddress.com> wrote in message > news:<bhn3kb$15m9r$1@ID-163025.news.uni-berlin.de>...
"Papa Jack" <papajack@stic.net> wrote:
"--sexkitten--" <not@naddress.com> wrote:
"Papa Jack" <papajack@stic.net> wrote:
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Papa Jack cited:
On August 14, 2003, Family.Org posted an article by Terry Phillips
titled: "Orthodox Jews Support Bush Nominee." Go to:
http://www.family.org/cforum/fnif/news/a0027345.cfm
________________________________________________________________________
William Pryor, the president's choice for the 11th U.S. Circuit Court
of Appeals, has been criticized by liberal senators for his religious
views.
Alabama Attorney General William Pryor, President Bush's nominee
to the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, is being filibustered by
liberals for his staunch opposition to abortion. And that's brought
him some surprising supporters.
Richard Stone, a senior vice president of the Orthodox Union, said
abortion is not an issue for many orthodox Jews - but religious
bigotry is.
"Our religious beliefs don't lead us to a visceral negative reaction
to Roe v. Wade," Stone said. "We do get into the issue of whether
religious values, per se, ought to disqualify someone from a judicial
appointment, and we believe that they should not."
During his hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee, which
ultimately confirmed him along party lines, Pryor, a Republican, was
grilled about his view that abortion represents the "slaughter of
millions of innocent unborn children." His opinion on the matter, he
said, has been shaped by his Catholic faith.
Rabbi David Zwiebel, director of government affairs and general
counsel for Agudath Israel of America, an orthodox organization that
does oppose Roe v. Wade, said attempts to disqualify Pryor for his
religious views are a "grievous mistake."
"The religious community is troubled," he added, "because whatever
faith a person may be, their values that they bring are a blessing to
society."
________________________________________________________________________
Papa Jack smiled:
The liberal's blatant bias against all things related to
religious beliefs is starting to stir the natural resentments
of organized religion. Now, they must pretend to be outraged
about such expressions. Hmmmmm.
=======================================================================
Sex Kitten wrote:
Keep your religion in your damn house where it belongs and we
won't have such a problem, will we?
==================================================================
Papa Jack replied:
Not just MY religion. I'm neither a Catholic nor a Jew.
Here's another article which showed opposition to the
liberal's anti-religious bias. You're clearly in the
minority, Sex Kitten.
=======================================================================
Sex Kitten wrote:
Don't care.
A judge's job is to decide cases based on the law of the
land, not the law of a god. A judicial nominee who is
admitting that he bases his opinions (and from there his
judgements) on religious beliefs rather than the law of
the land is unfit to hold the office of judge.
==================================================================
Papa Jack replied:
And, just where did William Pryor state he would decide
cases on religious beliefs rather than the law of the
land. From what I've read, he assured the Senate
committee he would base all judicial decisions on his
understanding of the law -- not his religious beliefs.
Basically, the Dems are stating that only athiests
can be good judges. I don't believe anyone with good
sense will agree that is a reasonable approach.
==================================================================
Papa Jack replied:
On July 31, 2003, the Committee for Justice released a
statement titled: "Many See the Anti-Religious Implications
of Dem Questions on Pryor." Go to:
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/030731/dcth036_1.html
_________________________________________________________________________
"The Committee for Justice, which supports constitutionalist
judicial nominees, today applauded the rising tide of com-
munity voices decrying Senate Judiciary Committee Demo-
crats' treatment of federal court nominee Bill Pryor, a
devout Catholic. The controversy stems from Democrats'
repeated citation of Pryor's "deeply held personal beliefs"
as rendering him unfit for the bench.
The Archbishop of Denver, Charles J. Chaput, a possible
candidate for the Papacy, wrote this week, "[T]he commit-
tee debate on Pryor was ugly, and the vote to advance his
nomination split exactly along party lines. Why? Because Mr.
Pryor believes the Catholic teaching about the sanctity of
life is true; that the1973 Supreme Court Roe v. Wade deci-
sion was a poorly reasoned mistake; and that abortion is
wrong in all cases, even rape and incest."...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Are you aware 61% of Anmericans say religion is "very
important to their own lives -- and, 66% say they belong
to a church or synagogue.
POLL ANALYSES; December 24, 2002 by David W. Moore
http://www.gallup.com/poll/releases/pr021224.asp
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16 Aug 2003 02:10:49 PM |
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On 16 Aug 2003 12:02:10 -0700, (Papa Jack) wrote:
taJewsPryor2
"--sexkitten--" <not@naddress.com> wrote in message
news:<bhjqqj$b8dc$1@ID-163025.news.uni-berlin.de>...
"Papa Jack" < > wrote in message
news:6f9e1b49.0308151415.5026385a@posting.google.com...
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Papa Jack cited:
On August 14, 2003, Family.Org posted an article by Terry Phillips
titled: "Orthodox Jews Support Bush Nominee." Go to:
http://www.family.org/cforum/fnif/news/a0027345.cfm
________________________________________________________________________
William Pryor, the president's choice for the 11th U.S. Circuit Court
of Appeals, has been criticized by liberal senators for his religious
views.
Alabama Attorney General William Pryor, President Bush's nominee
to the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, is being filibustered by
liberals for his staunch opposition to abortion. And that's brought
him some surprising supporters.
Richard Stone, a senior vice president of the Orthodox Union, said
abortion is not an issue for many orthodox Jews - but religious
bigotry is.
"Our religious beliefs don't lead us to a visceral negative reaction
to Roe v. Wade," Stone said. "We do get into the issue of whether
religious values, per se, ought to disqualify someone from a judicial
appointment, and we believe that they should not."
During his hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee, which
ultimately confirmed him along party lines, Pryor, a Republican, was
grilled about his view that abortion represents the "slaughter of
millions of innocent unborn children." His opinion on the matter, he
said, has been shaped by his Catholic faith.
Rabbi David Zwiebel, director of government affairs and general
counsel for Agudath Israel of America, an orthodox organization that
does oppose Roe v. Wade, said attempts to disqualify Pryor for his
religious views are a "grievous mistake."
"The religious community is troubled," he added, "because whatever
faith a person may be, their values that they bring are a blessing to
society."
________________________________________________________________________
Papa Jack smiled:
The liberal's blatant bias against all things related to
religious beliefs is starting to stir the natural resentments
of organized religion. Now, they must pretend to be outraged
about such expressions. Hmmmmm.
=======================================================================
Sex Kitten wrote:
Keep your religion in your damn house where it belongs and we
won't have such a problem, will we?
==================================================================
Papa Jack replied:
Not just MY religion. I'm neither a Catholic nor a Jew.
Here's another article which showed opposition to the
liberal's anti-religious bias. You're clearly in the
minority, Sex Kitten.
On July 31, 2003, the Committee for Justice released a
statement titled: "Many See the Anti-Religious Implications
of Dem Questions on Pryor." Go to:
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/030731/dcth036_1.html
_________________________________________________________________________
"The Committee for Justice, which supports constitutionalist
judicial nominees, today applauded the rising tide of com-
munity voices decrying Senate Judiciary Committee Demo-
crats' treatment of federal court nominee Bill Pryor, a
devout Catholic. The controversy stems from Democrats'
repeated citation of Pryor's "deeply held personal beliefs"
as rendering him unfit for the bench.
The Archbishop of Denver, Charles J. Chaput, a possible
candidate for the Papacy, wrote this week, "[T]he commit-
tee debate on Pryor was ugly, and the vote to advance his
nomination split exactly along party lines. Why? Because Mr.
Pryor believes the Catholic teaching about the sanctity of
life is true; that the1973 Supreme Court Roe v. Wade deci-
sion was a poorly reasoned mistake; and that abortion is
wrong in all cases, even rape and incest."...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Are you aware 61% of Anmericans say religion is "very
important to their own lives -- and, 66% say they belong
to a church or synagogue.
POLL ANALYSES; December 24, 2002 by David W. Moore
http://www.gallup.com/poll/releases/pr021224.asp
And yet that statistic has no bearing on whether religion and politics
should be intertwined or not - since they should not.
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"Question with boldness even the existence of a god;
because, if there be one, he must more approve of
the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."
- Thomas Jefferson
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17 Aug 2003 12:16:03 AM |
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http://www.gallup.com/poll/releases/pr021224.asp
And yet that statistic has no bearing on whether religion and politics
should be intertwined or not - since they should not.
Can I get an AMEN!!!!
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"Question with boldness even the existence of a god;
because, if there be one, he must more approve of
the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."
- Thomas Jefferson
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20 Aug 2003 01:12:20 PM |
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(Spartakus) wrote in message news:<6ed74dfa.0308191738.373e3613@posting.google.com>...
papajack@stic.net (Papa Jack) wrote...
On August 14, 2003, Family.Org posted an article by Terry Phillips
titled: "Orthodox Jews Support Bush Nominee." Go to:
http://www.family.org/cforum/fnif/news/a0027345.cfm
[--whine, whine whine==]
The liberal's blatant bias against all things related to
religious beliefs is starting to stir the natural resentments
of organized religion. Now, they must pretend to be outraged
about such expressions. Hmmmmm.
Papa Jack, you're playing "Let's Pretend". How sweet, how touching,
how transparently disingenuous! You read "First Things" a lot - you
must have seen this:
http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft0205/articles/scalia.html
This is where Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia states that a
federal judge should never allow his religion to interfere with his
job of applying duly enacted, constitutional laws. Sounds to me like
you disagree. Maybe we *should* appoint a few radically fundamental
Christians to the bench, and to be fair, some Jewish, Islamic and
Hindu judges as well. And to round out the picture, maybe a
Rastafarian and a Scientologist or two!
Btw, William Pryor's religious beliefs have nothing to do with his not
being confirmed. He lied under oath about his fundraising activities
during his tenure as Alabama's Attorney General. More specifically,
he personally solicited political contributions from corporate donors
under his jurisdiction.
His activities as Alabama's Attorney General should raise alarm with
anyone who cares about the Constitution and civil rights. He has
testified to Congress in favor of dropping a key part of the Voting
Rights Act. Of the 37 state attorneys general who submitted briefs to
the Supreme Court concerning the Violence Against Women Act, Pryor was
the only one to argue that the law was unconstitutional.
In regards to the recent Lawrence vs. Texas case, Prior submitted a
brief where he compared gay sex to necrophilia, bestiality, incest
and pedophilia.
His nomination is opposed by a spectrum of women's rights, civil
rights, environmental, church-state separation, disability, and
lesbian and gay rights groups. Even the gay Log Cabin Republicans
oppose Pryor.
I'd bet that William Pryor is even too crazy for *you*, PJ.
Omigosh, Pryor lied under oath, Distortakus? Since when has that
become a matter of even minor concern to liberal democrats? Oh, he's a
judge, you say? Are we then to presume that democrat presidents,
senators and congresspersons receive a special dispensation in this
area not afforded to judges, especially those submitted for nomination
by Republican presidents? Is that it? Has lying under oath about
fundraising activities now eclipsed lying under oath about sex in the
liberal hierarchy of values?
As for your comment about Pryor comparing "gay sex" to necrophilia,
bestiality, etcetera, your euphemism here, masking as it does hideous
and unhygienic activities such as rimming and fisting, your
consternation here appears counterfeit. The man is right on target.
BTW, since when has the approval or opposition of groups like those
you mention qualified as anything but a suggestion to favor precisely
the opposite of what they recommend? As for the gay Log Cabin
Republicans opposing Pryor, do you actually mean to suggest that we're
to be hugely impressed by this? Tell ya what, Sparky. When the day
comes you're equally stirred about what the Catholic church has to say
about abortion, we'll sit up and take notice about what the Log Cabin
Republicans have to say about court nominees.
Cordially, Marie
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20 Aug 2003 05:28:09 PM |
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"Marie A." <LetEmEatWMDs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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spartakus@my-deja.com (Spartakus) wrote in message
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papajack@stic.net (Papa Jack) wrote...
On August 14, 2003, Family.Org posted an article by Terry Phillips
titled: "Orthodox Jews Support Bush Nominee." Go to:
http://www.family.org/cforum/fnif/news/a0027345.cfm
[--whine, whine whine==]
The liberal's blatant bias against all things related to
religious beliefs is starting to stir the natural resentments
of organized religion. Now, they must pretend to be outraged
about such expressions. Hmmmmm.
Papa Jack, you're playing "Let's Pretend". How sweet, how touching,
how transparently disingenuous! You read "First Things" a lot - you
must have seen this:
http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft0205/articles/scalia.html
This is where Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia states that a
federal judge should never allow his religion to interfere with his
job of applying duly enacted, constitutional laws. Sounds to me like
you disagree. Maybe we *should* appoint a few radically fundamental
Christians to the bench, and to be fair, some Jewish, Islamic and
Hindu judges as well. And to round out the picture, maybe a
Rastafarian and a Scientologist or two!
Btw, William Pryor's religious beliefs have nothing to do with his not
being confirmed. He lied under oath about his fundraising activities
during his tenure as Alabama's Attorney General. More specifically,
he personally solicited political contributions from corporate donors
under his jurisdiction.
His activities as Alabama's Attorney General should raise alarm with
anyone who cares about the Constitution and civil rights. He has
testified to Congress in favor of dropping a key part of the Voting
Rights Act. Of the 37 state attorneys general who submitted briefs to
the Supreme Court concerning the Violence Against Women Act, Pryor was
the only one to argue that the law was unconstitutional.
In regards to the recent Lawrence vs. Texas case, Prior submitted a
brief where he compared gay sex to necrophilia, bestiality, incest
and pedophilia.
His nomination is opposed by a spectrum of women's rights, civil
rights, environmental, church-state separation, disability, and
lesbian and gay rights groups. Even the gay Log Cabin Republicans
oppose Pryor.
I'd bet that William Pryor is even too crazy for *you*, PJ.
Omigosh, Pryor lied under oath, Distortakus? Since when has that
become a matter of even minor concern to liberal democrats? Oh, he's a
judge, you say? Are we then to presume that democrat presidents,
senators and congresspersons receive a special dispensation in this
area not afforded to judges, especially those submitted for nomination
by Republican presidents? Is that it? Has lying under oath about
fundraising activities now eclipsed lying under oath about sex in the
liberal hierarchy of values?
Absolutely, since accepting "contributions" from lobbyists can affect
thousands of peoples lives. Sex affects only the lives of two, and is none
of your flippin' business.
As for your comment about Pryor comparing "gay sex" to necrophilia,
bestiality, etcetera, your euphemism here, masking as it does hideous
and unhygienic activities such as rimming and fisting, your
consternation here appears counterfeit. The man is right on target.
BTW, since when has the approval or opposition of groups like those
you mention qualified as anything but a suggestion to favor precisely
the opposite of what they recommend? As for the gay Log Cabin
Republicans opposing Pryor, do you actually mean to suggest that we're
to be hugely impressed by this? Tell ya what, Sparky. When the day
comes you're equally stirred about what the Catholic church has to say
about abortion, we'll sit up and take notice about what the Log Cabin
Republicans have to say about court nominees.
Cordially, Marie
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17 Aug 2003 11:16:42 AM |
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Papa Jack wrote:
On August 14, 2003, Family.Org posted an article by Terry Phillips
titled: "Orthodox Jews Support Bush Nominee." Go to:
http://www.family.org/cforum/fnif/news/a0027345.cfm
________________________________________________________________________
William Pryor, the president's choice for the 11th U.S. Circuit Court
of Appeals, has been criticized by liberal senators for his religious
views.
Alabama Attorney General William Pryor, President Bush's nominee
to the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, is being filibustered by
liberals for his staunch opposition to abortion. And that's brought
him some surprising supporters.
Richard Stone, a senior vice president of the Orthodox Union, said
abortion is not an issue for many orthodox Jews - but religious
bigotry is.
"Our religious beliefs don't lead us to a visceral negative reaction
to Roe v. Wade," Stone said. "We do get into the issue of whether
religious values, per se, ought to disqualify someone from a judicial
appointment, and we believe that they should not."
During his hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee, which
ultimately confirmed him along party lines, Pryor, a Republican, was
grilled about his view that abortion represents the "slaughter of
millions of innocent unborn children." His opinion on the matter, he
said, has been shaped by his Catholic faith.
Rabbi David Zwiebel, director of government affairs and general
counsel for Agudath Israel of America, an orthodox organization that
does oppose Roe v. Wade, said attempts to disqualify Pryor for his
religious views are a "grievous mistake."
"The religious community is troubled," he added, "because whatever
faith a person may be, their values that they bring are a blessing to
society."
________________________________________________________________________
Papa Jack smiled:
The liberal's blatant bias against all things related to
religious beliefs is starting to stir the natural resentments
of organized religion. Now, they must pretend to be outraged
about such expressions. Hmmmmm.
PJ, the problem is not that jurists have religious beliefs.
Personally, I think it's great. However, when a jurist isn't
able to separate his / her personal religious beliefs -- witness
that idjit down in AL -- from the laws that s/he is supposed to
be enforcing, then you have a problem. I don't think that the
possession, sale, growing, or use of marajuana should be
illegal. That's my personal, deeply engrained belief. However,
in this country, it IS illegal. Were I a jurist, I would have to
be able to set aside my personal belief and enforce the law of
the land, or be in violation of my oaths. Could I do that?
Well, with judges that's a very real and pertinent question, and
one that any examining / confirming body would be remiss if they
did not examine it.
Chris Owens
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| User: "Papa Jack" |
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19 Aug 2003 07:03:53 PM |
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Chris Owens <elf@eznet.net> wrote in message > news:<3F3FAA6A.A44B0E33@eznet.net>...
Papa Jack wrote:
==========================================================================
Papa Jack cited:
On August 14, 2003, Family.Org posted an article by Terry Phillips
titled: "Orthodox Jews Support Bush Nominee." Go to:
http://www.family.org/cforum/fnif/news/a0027345.cfm
________________________________________________________________________
William Pryor, the president's choice for the 11th U.S. Circuit Court
of Appeals, has been criticized by liberal senators for his religious
views.
Alabama Attorney General William Pryor, President Bush's nominee
to the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, is being filibustered by
liberals for his staunch opposition to abortion. And that's brought
him some surprising supporters.
Richard Stone, a senior vice president of the Orthodox Union, said
abortion is not an issue for many orthodox Jews - but religious
bigotry is.
"Our religious beliefs don't lead us to a visceral negative reaction
to Roe v. Wade," Stone said. "We do get into the issue of whether
religious values, per se, ought to disqualify someone from a judicial
appointment, and we believe that they should not."
During his hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee, which
ultimately confirmed him along party lines, Pryor, a Republican, was
grilled about his view that abortion represents the "slaughter of
millions of innocent unborn children." His opinion on the matter, he
said, has been shaped by his Catholic faith.
Rabbi David Zwiebel, director of government affairs and general
counsel for Agudath Israel of America, an orthodox organization that
does oppose Roe v. Wade, said attempts to disqualify Pryor for his
religious views are a "grievous mistake."
"The religious community is troubled," he added, "because whatever
faith a person may be, their values that they bring are a blessing to
society."
________________________________________________________________________
Papa Jack smiled:
The liberal's blatant bias against all things related to
religious beliefs is starting to stir the natural resentments
of organized religion. Now, they must pretend to be outraged
about such expressions. Hmmmmm.
==========================================================================
Chris Owens wrote:
PJ, the problem is not that jurists have religious beliefs.
Personally, I think it's great. However, when a jurist isn't
able to separate his / her personal religious beliefs -- witness
that idjit down in AL -- from the laws that s/he is supposed to
be enforcing, then you have a problem. I don't think that the
possession, sale, growing, or use of marajuana should be
illegal. That's my personal, deeply engrained belief. However,
in this country, it IS illegal. Were I a jurist, I would have to
be able to set aside my personal belief and enforce the law of
the land, or be in violation of my oaths. Could I do that?
Well, with judges that's a very real and pertinent question, and
one that any examining / confirming body would be remiss if they
did not examine it.
==========================================================================
Papa Jack responded:
Chris, I agree with your point that a jusist must be
able to uphold the law, regardless of personal beliefs.
However, that's clearly NOT the problem here. If Pryor
was the only one, I might be willing to give the liberals
the benefit of the doubt, but they've been pulling this
stunt ever since their successes in smearing Bork and
Thomas so successfully. Currently, there are several
outstanding nominees being filibustered by the Dems.
Everyone knows these nominees would be approved by the
Dim Dems in a second if they would just promise in
public to always uphold a woman's "right" to kill her
unborn children. That's the point. So, what we really
have is a dictatorship of the minority -- insisting
that ALL nominees must agree with their religious beliefs.
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| User: "Pat Winstanley" |
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20 Aug 2003 03:00:14 AM |
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In article <6f9e1b49.0308191603.12e5754@posting.google.com>,
papajack@stic.net says...
Everyone knows these nominees would be approved by the
Dim Dems in a second if they would just promise in
public to always uphold a woman's "right" to kill her
unborn children.
There is no such right, so how could anyone uphold what doesn't exist?
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20 Aug 2003 08:01:14 AM |
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Pat Winstanley wrote:
In article <6f9e1b49.0308191603.12e5754@posting.google.com>,
papajack@stic.net says...
Everyone knows these nominees would be approved by the
Dim Dems in a second if they would just promise in
public to always uphold a woman's "right" to kill her
unborn children.
There is no such right, so how could anyone uphold what doesn't exist?
Interpreting Roe vs. Wade one could certainly perceive such a right.
Particularly since the decision doesn't confirm nor deny the existence of
human beings in the womb: it "washes its hands of it" like Pontius Pilate.
And you yourself have said that even if human fetuses are human beings that
noe one has a right to use someone's body without their permission. So
obviously you don't have a problem with baby killing... even if it really
*was* baby killing!
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| User: "Lawrence E. McKnight" |
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20 Aug 2003 07:32:17 PM |
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On 19 Aug 2003 17:03:53 -0700, (Papa Jack) wrote:
Chris Owens <elf@eznet.net> wrote in message > news:<3F3FAA6A.A44B0E33@eznet.net>...
Papa Jack wrote:
==========================================================================
Papa Jack cited:
On August 14, 2003, Family.Org posted an article by Terry Phillips
titled: "Orthodox Jews Support Bush Nominee." Go to:
http://www.family.org/cforum/fnif/news/a0027345.cfm
________________________________________________________________________
William Pryor, the president's choice for the 11th U.S. Circuit Court
of Appeals, has been criticized by liberal senators for his religious
views.
Alabama Attorney General William Pryor, President Bush's nominee
to the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, is being filibustered by
liberals for his staunch opposition to abortion. And that's brought
him some surprising supporters.
Richard Stone, a senior vice president of the Orthodox Union, said
abortion is not an issue for many orthodox Jews - but religious
bigotry is.
"Our religious beliefs don't lead us to a visceral negative reaction
to Roe v. Wade," Stone said. "We do get into the issue of whether
religious values, per se, ought to disqualify someone from a judicial
appointment, and we believe that they should not."
During his hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee, which
ultimately confirmed him along party lines, Pryor, a Republican, was
grilled about his view that abortion represents the "slaughter of
millions of innocent unborn children." His opinion on the matter, he
said, has been shaped by his Catholic faith.
Rabbi David Zwiebel, director of government affairs and general
counsel for Agudath Israel of America, an orthodox organization that
does oppose Roe v. Wade, said attempts to disqualify Pryor for his
religious views are a "grievous mistake."
"The religious community is troubled," he added, "because whatever
faith a person may be, their values that they bring are a blessing to
society."
________________________________________________________________________
Papa Jack smiled:
The liberal's blatant bias against all things related to
religious beliefs is starting to stir the natural resentments
of organized religion. Now, they must pretend to be outraged
about such expressions. Hmmmmm.
==========================================================================
Chris Owens wrote:
PJ, the problem is not that jurists have religious beliefs.
Personally, I think it's great. However, when a jurist isn't
able to separate his / her personal religious beliefs -- witness
that idjit down in AL -- from the laws that s/he is supposed to
be enforcing, then you have a problem. I don't think that the
possession, sale, growing, or use of marajuana should be
illegal. That's my personal, deeply engrained belief. However,
in this country, it IS illegal. Were I a jurist, I would have to
be able to set aside my personal belief and enforce the law of
the land, or be in violation of my oaths. Could I do that?
Well, with judges that's a very real and pertinent question, and
one that any examining / confirming body would be remiss if they
did not examine it.
==========================================================================
Papa Jack responded:
Chris, I agree with your point that a jusist must be
able to uphold the law, regardless of personal beliefs.
However, that's clearly NOT the problem here. If Pryor
was the only one, I might be willing to give the liberals
the benefit of the doubt, but they've been pulling this
stunt ever since their successes in smearing Bork and
Thomas so successfully. Currently, there are several
outstanding nominees being filibustered by the Dems.
Everyone knows these nominees would be approved by the
Dim Dems in a second if they would just promise in
public to always uphold a woman's "right" to kill her
unborn children. That's the point. So, what we really
have is a dictatorship of the minority -- insisting
that ALL nominees must agree with their religious beliefs.
Hot Damn! You mean Thomas has resigned in shame?
'Everyone Knows'.. is that PapaJackese for "I don't have the slightest
idea of what their views are on anything but abortion"?
Larry
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15 Aug 2003 10:45:14 PM |
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Papa Jackass <papajack@stic.net> wrote:
The liberal's blatant bias against all things related to
religious beliefs is starting to stir the natural resentments
Last I checked it was the religious conservatives who were intolerant
of any deviation from their religious dogma.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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17 Aug 2003 12:50:02 AM |
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Papa Jackass <papajack@stic.net> wrote:
The liberal's blatant bias against all things related to
religious beliefs is starting to stir the natural resentments
of organized religion.
what Jackass fails to understand is that merely being religious does
not make one qualified to hold office nor does it make one a good
person. There are ample examples of people who have professed faith
and who have been murderers, thiefs, racists, and bigots.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Pat Winstanley" |
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| Title: Re: Orthodox Jews Support Pryor for Judge |
17 Aug 2003 03:42:54 AM |
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In article <bhn529$v3m$1@bolt.sonic.net>,
says...
Subject: Re: Orthodox Jews Support Pryor for Judge
From: (Ray Fischer)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion, alt.abortion
Papa Jackass <papajack@stic.net> wrote:
The liberal's blatant bias against all things related to
religious beliefs is starting to stir the natural resentments
of organized religion.
what Jackass fails to understand is that merely being religious does
not make one qualified to hold office nor does it make one a good
person. There are ample examples of people who have professed faith
and who have been murderers, thiefs, racists, and bigots.
And vice versa too - good, honest, selfless, caring, empathic, generous
non-religious people (both in official positions and not in official
positions).
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| User: "Ludmila G." |
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15 Aug 2003 07:44:06 PM |
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stop talking about Jews all the time. Who cares what they like or not.
It seems that no other nation exists on the planet. What Muslims think
about abortions? It seems that noone is going to ask them, but when a
few terrorists crush a plane on Jewish organization, world trade center,
all muslims are terrorists. Who is Trotsky, who is Dzerzhinsky who
killed a half of the Russian nation and was very proud of it, who is
Berya, who is Berezovsky and list can be very long. In what religious
book except Talmud is written that man can treat a woman like a dog,
that all other nations worse than animals and so on?
Ludmila.
http://members.fortunecity.com/ludmila83/
Papa Jack wrote:
On August 14, 2003, Family.Org posted an article by Terry Phillips
titled: "Orthodox Jews Support Bush Nominee." Go to:
http://www.family.org/cforum/fnif/news/a0027345.cfm
_____________________________________________________________________-
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William Pryor, the president's choice for the 11th U.S. Circuit Court
of Appeals, has been criticized by liberal senators for his religious
views.
Alabama Attorney General William Pryor, President Bush's nominee
to the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, is being filibustered by
liberals for his staunch opposition to abortion. And that's brought
him some surprising supporters.
Richard Stone, a senior vice president of the Orthodox Union, said
abortion is not an issue for many orthodox Jews - but religious
bigotry is.
"Our religious beliefs don't lead us to a visceral negative reaction
to Roe v. Wade," Stone said. "We do get into the issue of whether
religious values, per se, ought to disqualify someone from a judicial
appointment, and we believe that they should not."
During his hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee, which
ultimately confirmed him along party lines, Pryor, a Republican, was
grilled about his view that abortion represents the "slaughter of
millions of innocent unborn children." His opinion on the matter, he
said, has been shaped by his Catholic faith.
Rabbi David Zwiebel, director of government affairs and general
counsel for Agudath Israel of America, an orthodox organization that
does oppose Roe v. Wade, said attempts to disqualify Pryor for his
religious views are a "grievous mistake."
"The religious community is troubled," he added, "because whatever
faith a person may be, their values that they bring are a blessing to
society."
_____________________________________________________________________-
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Papa Jack smiled:
The liberal's blatant bias against all things related to
religious beliefs is starting to stir the natural resentments
of organized religion. Now, they must pretend to be outraged
about such expressions. Hmmmmm.
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