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Parallels Between Nazism And Abortion: Commentary By An Orthodox Jew |
Nazism and Abortion
By Don Feder, an Orthodox Jew
Here is a place where angels fear to tread. Note the resemblance of
abortion
to Nazi genocide, and you'll likely be accused of one or more of the
following: insensitivity, devaluing the Holocaust, hysteria, smear
tactics.
And yet, and yet, the parallels between Nazism and destruction of the
preborn, in both theory and practice, are too stark to ignore. With the
idea
that human beings in a certain stage of development or condition can be
classified as non-persons and disposed of at the whim of others, as
well as
with growing acceptance of the quality-of life dogma (that some lives
are so
devoid of value that ending them is a blessing), we are perambulating a
path
traversed by the German people half a century ago.
Make the obvious comparison, and abortion advocates will dredge up that
old
Hider quote about abortion being "exterminated with a strong hand."
Certainly, the Nazis opposed some abortions, but not (absurd notion)
because
they believed in the sanctity of human life.
A consummate pragmatist, Hider judged any action by its impact on his
ultimate goal: the advancement of the thousand-year reich. Since they
wanted
more "pure-blood" Germans for expansion to the East, the Nazis were
opposed
to Aryan abortions. As they viewed the inhabitants of those lands as
untermenschen (subhuman), they were enthusiastic about abortions for
Jews,
Poles and Slavs.
In August of l942 Martin Bormann wrote to Nazi propagandist Alfred
Rosenberg, concerning the fate of subject peoples: "The Slavs are to
work
for us. In so far as we do not need them, they may die. Slav fertility
is
undesirable. They may possess contraceptives or abort, the more the
better...." The fuhrer himself was in complete accord: "In view of the
large
families of the native population, it could only suit us if girls and
women
there had as many abortions as possible."
The Nazis did everything conceivable to facilitate the process, from
liberalizing abortion in Poland, to forcing abortions for slave
laborers.
Among other atrocities, the War Crimes Tribunal indicted ten Nazi
leaders
for "encouraging and compelling abortions," which were correctly judged
to
be a "crime against humanity." At his 1961 trial in Israel, Adolf
Eichmann
was charged with, "directing that pregnancies (be) interrupted among
Jewish
women" in the Theresienstadt concentration camp, with the "intent to
destroy
the (Jewish) people."
The death camps were the culmination of Nazi dehumanization and
slaughter of
whole categories of people. Along with involuntary sterilization,
coerced
abortions were originally performed on Germans with physical and mental
defects thought to be hereditary. As early as 1934, the Hamburg
Eugenics
Court declared a "racial emergency" as its rational for launching the
eugenic abortion program.
About the same rime, Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger was
pushing
birth control and abortion as racial purification measures. "More
children
for the fit, fewer for the unfit" (the latter encompassing all
Americans not
of Nordic descent) and "Birth control to breed a race of thoroughbreds"
were
among her favourite slogans. The April 1933 issue of Sanger's Birth
Control
Review, devoted exclusively to eugenics, included an article by Dr.
Ernst
Rudin, a leader of Hitler's forced sterilisation/euthanasia program.
With the outset of the war, the Nazis were no longer content simply to
stop
"useless eaters" form procreating. Beginning in 1939, an estimated
275,000
Germans (insane, incurably ill, handicapped) were put to death under
the
Third Reich's euthanasia program. Killing their own people, Nazi
doctors
acquired the mortal skills later employed in the Final Solution. The
defense
of the medical murders at Nuremberg echoes in the current euthanasia
debate.
Lethal shots were "an injection of mercy to relieve (patients) of their
incurable and painful suffering," the defendants argued.
If all of this weren't enough, the rhetorical process by which the
preborn
are dehumanized is eerily reminiscent of tat nightmare era. "The Jews
are
undoubtedly a race, but not human," Hitler declared in a 1923 speech.
The
Jew is biologically "sub-human," a 1942 publication of the Race and
Settlement Main Office advised. In Mein Kampf, the architect of
genocide
called Jews "a parasite in the body of other peoples."
Before viability, fetuses are "subhuman and relatively close to a piece
of
tissue," says Columbia University sociologist Dr. Amitai Etzioni. The
preborn child is a "parasitic growth" on a woman's body, argues
feminist
theorist Gloria Steinem.
In his book, The American Holocaust, William Brennan notes the
similarities
between the Nazi death camps and abortion clinics, including
streamlined
procedures for the disposal of unwanted life, practitioners of death
who
pride themselves on professionalism, experimentation on victims, and
the
assurance that the killing is legally sanctioned.
It's all too easy to dismiss the Nazis as madmen. Fanatics they were,
but
fanatics with a vision: that not all life should be preserved, that
certain
creatures only appeared to be people but in fact were less than human
and
thus could and should be sacrificed for a higher humanity. If abortion
advocates arc uncomfortable with the analogy, that is nothing next to
the
discomfort of those who are so dehumanized.
http://www.alphalink.com.au/~collard/articles/abge011.htm
All About Issues, March-April, 1992
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| User: "The other Donald" |
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| Title: Re: Parallels Between Nazism And Abortion: Commentary By An Orthodox Jew |
16 Sep 2005 04:02:09 PM |
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"words of truth" <wordsoftruth21@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:1126900821.290621.318970@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Nazism and Abortion
By Don Feder, an Orthodox Jew
Here is a place where angels fear to tread. Note the resemblance of
abortion
to Nazi genocide, and you'll likely be accused of one or more of the
following: insensitivity, devaluing the Holocaust, hysteria, smear
tactics.
No...we'll just call you liars. It's much more fitting.
--
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
-Mr. Worf, set phasers on "***** You" and fire at will. -Doc Smartass
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16 Sep 2005 04:43:36 PM |
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"The other Donald" <the_donald_13@yahoooY.com> wrote in message
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"words of truth" <wordsoftruth21@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:1126900821.290621.318970@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Nazism and Abortion
By Don Feder, an Orthodox Jew
Here is a place where angels fear to tread. Note the resemblance of
abortion
to Nazi genocide, and you'll likely be accused of one or more of the
following: insensitivity, devaluing the Holocaust, hysteria, smear
tactics.
No...we'll just call you liars. It's much more fitting.
--
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
....and ordained minister
Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
-Mr. Worf, set phasers on "***** You" and fire at will. -Doc Smartass
Hmmm. Strange. When *I* saw the word 'abortion,' the immediate mental
image that popped into my mind was of babies, toddlers and pregnant
women drowning to death in the Noachian Flood, *not* a bunch of Nazis.
(Does that go down as 'smear tactics'? If so, tough.) The second image that
came to mind of was of a pre-teen crying her eyes out in a doctor's clinic
after being informed that she's pregnant. I wonder what the 'poster' would
think if that person was in the same predicament and was extremely poor.
Greywolf
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| User: "The Watch Dog" |
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| Title: Re: Parallels Between Nazism And Abortion: Commentary By An Orthodox Jew |
16 Sep 2005 05:04:40 PM |
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In Nazism, the state - the government - decided whether a pregnant
woman would (a) get an abortion, or (b) carry the pernancy to term. All
for the good of the state, which had total control.
In a pro-choice society, the government promises to stay out of it, and
the individual woman decides whether or not to carry the pregnancy to
term. Regardless of wheter it's "good for the state."
There may be reasons to oppose abortion, but they have absolutely
nothing to do with Nazism, which involved state control over all
decisions.
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| User: "Vivapadrepios personal Cthulhu" |
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17 Sep 2005 03:03:36 AM |
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Cometh the hour, cometh "words of truth" <wordsoftruth21@lycos.com>
who, with imperceptibly subtle footwork in alt.atheism, gave us this:
Nazism and Abortion
The Nazis outlawed abortion. They were anti women and anti choice.
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"The real dichotomy in today's world is between reason and religion.
The future of civilisation rests upon how many people realise that and do something about it."
D Silverman FLAHN, SMLAHN
AA #2208
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| User: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" |
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17 Sep 2005 05:27:16 PM |
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The NAZIS did not outlaw abortion across the board -- they authorised
selective abortion.
Healthy Aryan foetuses were not to be aborted -- non-Aryans could have
abortions, and were even forced to have abortions.
The NAZIS were not "pro-life" they were pro-racists -- Just like
Vivapadrepio and his Pope.
"Vivapadrepio's personal Cthulhu" <cthulhu@soulstogo.com> wrote in
message news:j3jni15qjtptv9m4lenf0pr5vltj799kkb@4ax.com...
: Cometh the hour, cometh "words of truth" <wordsoftruth21@lycos.com>
: who, with imperceptibly subtle footwork in alt.atheism, gave us this:
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: >Nazism and Abortion
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: The Nazis outlawed abortion. They were anti women and anti choice.
:
: ------------------------------------------------
: "The real dichotomy in today's world is between reason and religion.
: The future of civilisation rests upon how many people realise that and
do something about it."
:
: D Silverman FLAHN, SMLAHN
:
: AA #2208
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Parallels Between Nazism And Abortion: Commentary By An Orthodox Jew |
17 Sep 2005 09:21:13 PM |
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On 17-Sep-2005, "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote:
The NAZIS did not outlaw abortion across the board -- they authorised
selective abortion.
Healthy Aryan foetuses were not to be aborted -- non-Aryans could have
abortions, and were even forced to have abortions.
The NAZIS were not "pro-life" they were pro-racists -- Just like
Vivapadrepio and his Pope.
But the cool thing is that you're both right :-)
Susan
"Vivapadrepio's personal Cthulhu" <cthulhu@soulstogo.com> wrote in
message news:j3jni15qjtptv9m4lenf0pr5vltj799kkb@4ax.com...
: Cometh the hour, cometh "words of truth" <wordsoftruth21@lycos.com>
: who, with imperceptibly subtle footwork in alt.atheism, gave us this:
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: >Nazism and Abortion
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: The Nazis outlawed abortion. They were anti women and anti choice.
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| User: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" |
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16 Sep 2005 06:15:44 PM |
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Don Feder can *****, and so can you.
"words of truth" <wordsoftruth21@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:1126900821.290621.318970@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
: Nazism and Abortion
:
:
:
: By Don Feder, an Orthodox Jew
:
:
:
: Here is a place where angels fear to tread. Note the resemblance of
: abortion
: to Nazi genocide, and you'll likely be accused of one or more of the
: following: insensitivity, devaluing the Holocaust, hysteria, smear
: tactics.
:
: And yet, and yet, the parallels between Nazism and destruction of the
: preborn, in both theory and practice, are too stark to ignore. With
the
: idea
: that human beings in a certain stage of development or condition can
be
:
: classified as non-persons and disposed of at the whim of others, as
: well as
: with growing acceptance of the quality-of life dogma (that some lives
: are so
: devoid of value that ending them is a blessing), we are perambulating
a
: path
: traversed by the German people half a century ago.
:
: Make the obvious comparison, and abortion advocates will dredge up
that
: old
: Hider quote about abortion being "exterminated with a strong hand."
:
: Certainly, the Nazis opposed some abortions, but not (absurd notion)
: because
: they believed in the sanctity of human life.
:
: A consummate pragmatist, Hider judged any action by its impact on his
: ultimate goal: the advancement of the thousand-year reich. Since they
: wanted
: more "pure-blood" Germans for expansion to the East, the Nazis were
: opposed
: to Aryan abortions. As they viewed the inhabitants of those lands as
: untermenschen (subhuman), they were enthusiastic about abortions for
: Jews,
: Poles and Slavs.
:
: In August of l942 Martin Bormann wrote to Nazi propagandist Alfred
: Rosenberg, concerning the fate of subject peoples: "The Slavs are to
: work
: for us. In so far as we do not need them, they may die. Slav fertility
: is
: undesirable. They may possess contraceptives or abort, the more the
: better...." The fuhrer himself was in complete accord: "In view of the
: large
: families of the native population, it could only suit us if girls and
: women
: there had as many abortions as possible."
:
: The Nazis did everything conceivable to facilitate the process, from
: liberalizing abortion in Poland, to forcing abortions for slave
: laborers.
: Among other atrocities, the War Crimes Tribunal indicted ten Nazi
: leaders
: for "encouraging and compelling abortions," which were correctly
judged
: to
: be a "crime against humanity." At his 1961 trial in Israel, Adolf
: Eichmann
: was charged with, "directing that pregnancies (be) interrupted among
: Jewish
: women" in the Theresienstadt concentration camp, with the "intent to
: destroy
: the (Jewish) people."
:
: The death camps were the culmination of Nazi dehumanization and
: slaughter of
: whole categories of people. Along with involuntary sterilization,
: coerced
: abortions were originally performed on Germans with physical and
mental
:
: defects thought to be hereditary. As early as 1934, the Hamburg
: Eugenics
: Court declared a "racial emergency" as its rational for launching the
: eugenic abortion program.
:
: About the same rime, Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger was
: pushing
: birth control and abortion as racial purification measures. "More
: children
: for the fit, fewer for the unfit" (the latter encompassing all
: Americans not
: of Nordic descent) and "Birth control to breed a race of
thoroughbreds"
: were
: among her favourite slogans. The April 1933 issue of Sanger's Birth
: Control
: Review, devoted exclusively to eugenics, included an article by Dr.
: Ernst
: Rudin, a leader of Hitler's forced sterilisation/euthanasia program.
:
: With the outset of the war, the Nazis were no longer content simply to
: stop
: "useless eaters" form procreating. Beginning in 1939, an estimated
: 275,000
: Germans (insane, incurably ill, handicapped) were put to death under
: the
: Third Reich's euthanasia program. Killing their own people, Nazi
: doctors
: acquired the mortal skills later employed in the Final Solution. The
: defense
: of the medical murders at Nuremberg echoes in the current euthanasia
: debate.
: Lethal shots were "an injection of mercy to relieve (patients) of
their
:
: incurable and painful suffering," the defendants argued.
:
: If all of this weren't enough, the rhetorical process by which the
: preborn
: are dehumanized is eerily reminiscent of tat nightmare era. "The Jews
: are
: undoubtedly a race, but not human," Hitler declared in a 1923 speech.
: The
: Jew is biologically "sub-human," a 1942 publication of the Race and
: Settlement Main Office advised. In Mein Kampf, the architect of
: genocide
: called Jews "a parasite in the body of other peoples."
:
: Before viability, fetuses are "subhuman and relatively close to a
piece
: of
: tissue," says Columbia University sociologist Dr. Amitai Etzioni. The
: preborn child is a "parasitic growth" on a woman's body, argues
: feminist
: theorist Gloria Steinem.
:
: In his book, The American Holocaust, William Brennan notes the
: similarities
: between the Nazi death camps and abortion clinics, including
: streamlined
: procedures for the disposal of unwanted life, practitioners of death
: who
: pride themselves on professionalism, experimentation on victims, and
: the
: assurance that the killing is legally sanctioned.
:
: It's all too easy to dismiss the Nazis as madmen. Fanatics they were,
: but
: fanatics with a vision: that not all life should be preserved, that
: certain
: creatures only appeared to be people but in fact were less than human
: and
: thus could and should be sacrificed for a higher humanity. If abortion
: advocates arc uncomfortable with the analogy, that is nothing next to
: the
: discomfort of those who are so dehumanized.
:
:
: http://www.alphalink.com.au/~collard/articles/abge011.htm
:
: All About Issues, March-April, 1992
:
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19 Sep 2005 11:28:56 AM |
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Hitler was anti abortion for the German people. He even court
marshalled women who had miscarriages.
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| User: "Del" |
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16 Sep 2005 06:13:41 PM |
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They both take full advantage of the Big Lie technique.
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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16 Sep 2005 07:42:09 PM |
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words of truth wrote:
Nazism and Abortion
By Don Feder, an Orthodox Jew
Here is a place where angels fear to tread. Note the resemblance of
abortion
to Nazi genocide,
....and the resemblance between Nazi genocide and pro-choice bashing.
Face it, the law states that abortion is legal and that the death is
that of a mass of tissue. If you do not like it, it's time to write
your congressperson. Posting your gripes on NGs will simply get people
***** at you and cause your cause to look stupid.
But, if you want to hurt your cause, more power to you.
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