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"Freedom Fries" |
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21 Jul 2005 12:14:12 AM |
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Pearl Harbor was America's Fault |
The first act of war was committed by the United States against Japan not
vice versa. In early 1941, prior to Pearl Harbor, America sent pilots to
train China's air force. They also sent planes to China to be used against
Japan.
http://www.usshawkbill.com/tigers/
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| User: "Cracklin" |
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| Title: Re: Pearl Harbor was America's Fault |
21 Jul 2005 01:44:32 AM |
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"Freedom Fries" <BushShouldFaceTrial@warcriminal.com> wrote in message
news:42df2ed0$1_2@x-privat.org...
The first act of war was committed by the United States against Japan not
vice versa. In early 1941, prior to Pearl Harbor, America sent pilots to
train China's air force. They also sent planes to China to be used against
Japan.
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What does this have to do with abortion?
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| User: "Darkwing \Double Secret Disinformation Agent\ theducksmailATyahoo.com" |
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21 Jul 2005 10:54:36 AM |
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"Freedom Fries" <KilintonShouldFaceTrial@warcriminal.com> whined in message
news:42df2ed0$1_2@x-privat.org...
The first act of war was committed by the United States against Japan not
vice versa. In early 1941, prior to Pearl Harbor, America sent pilots to
train China's air force. They also sent planes to China to be used against
Japan.
http://www.usshawkbill.com/tigers/
Imagine a liberal blaming the USA for an unprovoked attack. Typical.
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DW
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Pearl Harbor was America's Fault |
21 Jul 2005 11:06:24 AM |
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Darkwing \(Double Secret Disinformation Agent\) <theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com> wrote:
"Freedom Fries" <KilintonShouldFaceTrial@warcriminal.com> whined in message
The first act of war was committed by the United States against Japan not
vice versa. In early 1941, prior to Pearl Harbor, America sent pilots to
train China's air force. They also sent planes to China to be used against
Japan.
http://www.usshawkbill.com/tigers/
Imagine a liberal blaming the USA for an unprovoked attack. Typical.
Oh look, it's another neocon bigot calling people "liberal" for daring
to tell the truth.
What a surprise.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Darkwing \Double Secret Disinformation Agent\ theducksmailATyahoo.com" |
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| Title: Re: Pearl Harbor was America's Fault |
21 Jul 2005 03:27:21 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:dboh5v$du0$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Darkwing \(Double Secret Disinformation Agent\)
<theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com> wrote:
"Freedom Fries" <KilintonShouldFaceTrial@warcriminal.com> whined in
message
The first act of war was committed by the United States against Japan
not
vice versa. In early 1941, prior to Pearl Harbor, America sent pilots to
train China's air force. They also sent planes to China to be used
against
Japan.
http://www.usshawkbill.com/tigers/
Imagine a liberal blaming the USA for an unprovoked attack. Typical.
Oh look, it's another neocon bigot calling people "liberal" for daring
to tell the truth.
What a surprise.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
Rules to be a Lefty
#1 Lying is OK
#2 Never admit you lie
#3 Other peoples money is rightfully yours
#4 The environment is as fragile as tulip
#5 Never miss a chance to hate
#6 Diversity is only skin deep
#7 Use personal insults or name-call people who question you
#8 Killing a baby is OK, killing a murderer is wrong
#9 World peace can be achieved through appeasement
#10 When in doubt, always, ALWAYS, refer to rule #1
Rules for the Elite Lefty
A. Its OK to impersonate others to further the political agenda of the
left
B. Feel free to take others creativity and change it and claim it for your
own
C. Use forged documents when necessary*
D. It is ok to use normally protected racial or sexual slurs to smear
opponents
E. Give your underlings catchy phrases like "alternative media" and
"neo-con" to use in ad-hominem attacks, it makes attacking fun and easy.
F. Nothing is sacred when it comes to getting our guy elected. Nothing.
*This rule is under review at this time
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DW
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| User: "PC" |
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| Title: Re: Pearl Harbor was America's Fault |
21 Jul 2005 03:54:04 PM |
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"Darkwing (Double Secret Disinformation Agent)" <theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com>
wrote in message news:mvmdnVb7ZJRimX3fRVn-rg@giganews.com...
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:dboh5v$du0$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Darkwing \(Double Secret Disinformation Agent\)
<theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com> wrote:
"Freedom Fries" <KilintonShouldFaceTrial@warcriminal.com> whined in
message
The first act of war was committed by the United States against Japan
not
vice versa. In early 1941, prior to Pearl Harbor, America sent pilots
to
train China's air force. They also sent planes to China to be used
against
Japan.
http://www.usshawkbill.com/tigers/
Imagine a liberal blaming the USA for an unprovoked attack. Typical.
Oh look, it's another neocon bigot calling people "liberal" for daring
to tell the truth.
What a surprise.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
Rules to be a Lefty
#1 Lying is OK
Like how Bush lied to start the Iraq war?
#2 Never admit you lie
Like Bush?
#3 Other peoples money is rightfully yours
Sounds like Bush.
#5 Never miss a chance to hate
Sounds like Bush.
#7 Use personal insults or name-call people who question you
A favorite tactic of the right. "Flip-flopper" anyone?
#8 Killing a baby is OK, killing a murderer is wrong
Republicans fight for someone's right to life right up to the moment they
are born. Then it is "good luck kid. Now ***** off". Unless of course that
person should become brain dead. Then they will fight for your life once
again.
#9 World peace can be achieved through appeasement
Republicans believe world peace can be achieved through war...
#10 When in doubt, always, ALWAYS, refer to rule #1
Sounds like Bush
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| User: "Darkwing \Official Disinformation Agent of Usenet\ theducksmailATyahoo.com" |
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| Title: Re: Pearl Harbor was America's Fault |
21 Jul 2005 08:20:16 PM |
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"PC" <PCameron@Houston.com> wrote in message
news:11e02rddtkhh752@corp.supernews.com...
"Darkwing (Double Secret Disinformation Agent)"
<theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com>
wrote in message news:mvmdnVb7ZJRimX3fRVn-rg@giganews.com...
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:dboh5v$du0$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Darkwing \(Double Secret Disinformation Agent\)
<theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com> wrote:
"Freedom Fries" <KilintonShouldFaceTrial@warcriminal.com> whined in
message
The first act of war was committed by the United States against Japan
not
vice versa. In early 1941, prior to Pearl Harbor, America sent pilots
to
train China's air force. They also sent planes to China to be used
against
Japan.
http://www.usshawkbill.com/tigers/
Imagine a liberal blaming the USA for an unprovoked attack. Typical.
Oh look, it's another neocon bigot calling people "liberal" for daring
to tell the truth.
What a surprise.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
Rules to be a Lefty
#1 Lying is OK
Like how Bush lied to start the Iraq war?
#2 Never admit you lie
Like Bush?
#3 Other peoples money is rightfully yours
Sounds like Bush.
#5 Never miss a chance to hate
Sounds like Bush.
#7 Use personal insults or name-call people who question you
A favorite tactic of the right. "Flip-flopper" anyone?
#8 Killing a baby is OK, killing a murderer is wrong
Republicans fight for someone's right to life right up to the moment they
are born. Then it is "good luck kid. Now ***** off". Unless of course
that
person should become brain dead. Then they will fight for your life once
again.
#9 World peace can be achieved through appeasement
Republicans believe world peace can be achieved through war...
#10 When in doubt, always, ALWAYS, refer to rule #1
Sounds like Bush
Can't you read, fool? "Rules to be a Lefty". If I wanted it to be "Rules to
be a Righty" I would have put that. Now ***** off.
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DW
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| User: "PC" |
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| Title: Re: Pearl Harbor was America's Fault |
21 Jul 2005 10:14:14 PM |
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"Darkwing (Official Disinformation Agent of Usenet)"
<theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:dJ6dnYUUFPy11H3fRVn-jg@giganews.com...
Can't you read, fool? "Rules to be a Lefty". If I wanted it to be "Rules
to
be a Righty" I would have put that. Now ***** off.
Last time I checked it is an open forum. Actually it is several open
forums. That's just like a right winger to want to silence dissenting
opinions.
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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22 Jul 2005 03:43:40 PM |
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"PC" <PCameron@Houston.com> wrote in news:11e0p49t0lbmmb3
@corp.supernews.com:
"Darkwing (Official Disinformation Agent of Usenet)"
<theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com> wrote in message
Can't you read, fool? "Rules to be a Lefty". If I wanted it to be
"Rules to be a Righty" I would have put that. Now ***** off.
Last time I checked it is an open forum. Actually it is several open
forums. That's just like a right winger to want to silence dissenting
opinions.
maybe its mommy or daddy works for the bushies?
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| User: "*The Commentator*" |
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21 Jul 2005 10:38:40 PM |
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PC wrote:
"Darkwing (Official Disinformation Agent of Usenet)"
<theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:dJ6dnYUUFPy11H3fRVn-jg@giganews.com...
Can't you read, fool? "Rules to be a Lefty". If I wanted it to be "Rules
to
be a Righty" I would have put that. Now ***** off.
Last time I checked it is an open forum. Actually it is several open
forums. That's just like a right winger to want to silence dissenting
opinions.
The plural of forum is fora, you leftist k00k.
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| User: "Sean C" |
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22 Jul 2005 08:19:44 AM |
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In article <42E06A40.1E3F95A3@no.trolls>, *The Commentator*
<nospam@no.trolls> wrote:
PC wrote:
"Darkwing (Official Disinformation Agent of Usenet)"
<theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:dJ6dnYUUFPy11H3fRVn-jg@giganews.com...
Can't you read, fool? "Rules to be a Lefty". If I wanted it to be "Rules
to
be a Righty" I would have put that. Now ***** off.
Last time I checked it is an open forum. Actually it is several open
forums. That's just like a right winger to want to silence dissenting
opinions.
The plural of forum is fora, you leftist k00k.
In English, the plural of "forum" is "forums," you pseudo-intellectual,
right-wing twit. This isn't ancient Rome.
Sean C
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| User: "James Farrar" |
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22 Jul 2005 08:28:15 AM |
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On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 09:19:44 -0400, Sean C
<redhawk@burnspammersalive.com> wrote:
In article <42E06A40.1E3F95A3@no.trolls>, *The Commentator*
<nospam@no.trolls> wrote:
PC wrote:
"Darkwing (Official Disinformation Agent of Usenet)"
<theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:dJ6dnYUUFPy11H3fRVn-jg@giganews.com...
Can't you read, fool? "Rules to be a Lefty". If I wanted it to be "Rules
to
be a Righty" I would have put that. Now ***** off.
Last time I checked it is an open forum. Actually it is several open
forums. That's just like a right winger to want to silence dissenting
opinions.
The plural of forum is fora, you leftist k00k.
In English, the plural of "forum" is "forums," you pseudo-intellectual,
right-wing twit. This isn't ancient Rome.
Actually, either is acceptable. (SOED, M-W)
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James Farrar
September's coming soon
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Pearl Harbor was America's Fault |
25 Jul 2005 11:07:11 AM |
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Darkwing \(Official Disinformation Agent of Usenet\) <theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com> wrote:
"PC" <PCameron@Houston.com> wrote in message
news:11e02rddtkhh752@corp.supernews.com...
"Darkwing (Double Secret Disinformation Agent)"
<theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com>
wrote in message news:mvmdnVb7ZJRimX3fRVn-rg@giganews.com...
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:dboh5v$du0$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Darkwing \(Double Secret Disinformation Agent\)
<theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com> wrote:
"Freedom Fries" <KilintonShouldFaceTrial@warcriminal.com> whined in
message
The first act of war was committed by the United States against Japan
not
vice versa. In early 1941, prior to Pearl Harbor, America sent pilots
to
train China's air force. They also sent planes to China to be used
against
Japan.
http://www.usshawkbill.com/tigers/
Imagine a liberal blaming the USA for an unprovoked attack. Typical.
Oh look, it's another neocon bigot calling people "liberal" for daring
to tell the truth.
What a surprise.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
Rules to be a Lefty
#1 Lying is OK
Like how Bush lied to start the Iraq war?
#2 Never admit you lie
Like Bush?
#3 Other peoples money is rightfully yours
Sounds like Bush.
#5 Never miss a chance to hate
Sounds like Bush.
#7 Use personal insults or name-call people who question you
A favorite tactic of the right. "Flip-flopper" anyone?
#8 Killing a baby is OK, killing a murderer is wrong
Republicans fight for someone's right to life right up to the moment they
are born. Then it is "good luck kid. Now ***** off". Unless of course
that
person should become brain dead. Then they will fight for your life once
again.
#9 World peace can be achieved through appeasement
Republicans believe world peace can be achieved through war...
#10 When in doubt, always, ALWAYS, refer to rule #1
Sounds like Bush
Can't you read, fool? "Rules to be a Lefty".
It's a common tactic of the stupid bigot to accuse others of your own
sins.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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22 Jul 2005 07:28:42 AM |
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PC wrote:
Rules to be a Lefty
#1 Lying is OK
Like how Bush lied to start the Iraq war?
#2 Never admit you lie
Like Bush?
#11 Ascribe your own character flaws to your opponent
--
Terrell Miller
millerto@bellsouth.net
"Suddenly, after nearly 30 years of scorn, Prog is cool again".
-Entertainment Weekly
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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22 Jul 2005 07:21:10 PM |
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"Terrell Miller" <millerto@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:KC5Ee.21041$dz.20170@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
PC wrote:
Rules to be a Lefty
#1 Lying is OK
Like how Bush lied to start the Iraq war?
#2 Never admit you lie
Like Bush?
#11 Ascribe your own character flaws to your opponent
We can't do that, since no one is as stupidly treasonous as
Bush is.
--
Terrell Miller
millerto@bellsouth.net
"Suddenly, after nearly 30 years of scorn, Prog is cool again".
-Entertainment Weekly
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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25 Jul 2005 11:06:16 AM |
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Darkwing \(Double Secret Disinformation Agent\) <theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:dboh5v$du0$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Darkwing \(Double Secret Disinformation Agent\)
<theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com> wrote:
"Freedom Fries" <KilintonShouldFaceTrial@warcriminal.com> whined in
message
The first act of war was committed by the United States against Japan
not
vice versa. In early 1941, prior to Pearl Harbor, America sent pilots to
train China's air force. They also sent planes to China to be used
against
Japan.
http://www.usshawkbill.com/tigers/
Imagine a liberal blaming the USA for an unprovoked attack. Typical.
Oh look, it's another neocon bigot calling people "liberal" for daring
to tell the truth.
What a surprise.
Rules to be a Lefty
And more of the same lying and bigotry that is typical of the
intolerant right-wing extremist.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Terrell Miller" |
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25 Jul 2005 06:51:10 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
Rules to be a Lefty
And more of the same lying and bigotry that is typical of the
intolerant right-wing extremist.
so what you're saying is that you can't stand intolerance, is that it? ;)
--
Terrell Miller
millerto@bellsouth.net
"Suddenly, after nearly 30 years of scorn, Prog is cool again".
-Entertainment Weekly
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| User: "goozlefotz" |
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22 Jul 2005 09:54:35 AM |
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Garbage!
Darkwing (Double Secret Disinformation Agent) wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:dboh5v$du0$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Darkwing \(Double Secret Disinformation Agent\)
<theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com> wrote:
"Freedom Fries" <KilintonShouldFaceTrial@warcriminal.com> whined in
message
The first act of war was committed by the United States against Japan
not
vice versa. In early 1941, prior to Pearl Harbor, America sent pilots to
train China's air force. They also sent planes to China to be used
against
Japan.
http://www.usshawkbill.com/tigers/
Imagine a liberal blaming the USA for an unprovoked attack. Typical.
Oh look, it's another neocon bigot calling people "liberal" for daring
to tell the truth.
What a surprise.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
Rules to be a Lefty
#1 Lying is OK
#2 Never admit you lie
#3 Other peoples money is rightfully yours
#4 The environment is as fragile as tulip
#5 Never miss a chance to hate
#6 Diversity is only skin deep
#7 Use personal insults or name-call people who question you
#8 Killing a baby is OK, killing a murderer is wrong
#9 World peace can be achieved through appeasement
#10 When in doubt, always, ALWAYS, refer to rule #1
Rules for the Elite Lefty
A. Its OK to impersonate others to further the political agenda of the
left
B. Feel free to take others creativity and change it and claim it for your
own
C. Use forged documents when necessary*
D. It is ok to use normally protected racial or sexual slurs to smear
opponents
E. Give your underlings catchy phrases like "alternative media" and
"neo-con" to use in ad-hominem attacks, it makes attacking fun and easy.
F. Nothing is sacred when it comes to getting our guy elected. Nothing.
*This rule is under review at this time
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DW
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| User: "erikc" |
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24 Jul 2005 11:01:11 PM |
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On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:27:21 -0500, "Darkwing \(Double Secret Disinformation
Agent\)" <theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:dboh5v$du0$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Darkwing \(Double Secret Disinformation Agent\)
<theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com> wrote:
"Freedom Fries" <KilintonShouldFaceTrial@warcriminal.com> whined in
message
The first act of war was committed by the United States against Japan
not
vice versa. In early 1941, prior to Pearl Harbor, America sent pilots to
train China's air force. They also sent planes to China to be used
against
Japan.
http://www.usshawkbill.com/tigers/
Imagine a liberal blaming the USA for an unprovoked attack. Typical.
Oh look, it's another neocon bigot calling people "liberal" for daring
to tell the truth.
What a surprise.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
Rules to be a Lefty
#1 Lying is OK
#2 Never admit you lie
#3 Other peoples money is rightfully yours
#4 The environment is as fragile as tulip
#5 Never miss a chance to hate
#6 Diversity is only skin deep
#7 Use personal insults or name-call people who question you
#8 Killing a baby is OK, killing a murderer is wrong
#9 World peace can be achieved through appeasement
#10 When in doubt, always, ALWAYS, refer to rule #1
Rules for the Elite Lefty
A. Its OK to impersonate others to further the political agenda of the
left
B. Feel free to take others creativity and change it and claim it for your
own
C. Use forged documents when necessary*
D. It is ok to use normally protected racial or sexual slurs to smear
opponents
E. Give your underlings catchy phrases like "alternative media" and
"neo-con" to use in ad-hominem attacks, it makes attacking fun and easy.
F. Nothing is sacred when it comes to getting our guy elected. Nothing.
*This rule is under review at this time
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DW
Sounds like you're blaming others for your own sins.
erikc
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22 Jul 2005 08:28:28 AM |
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In alt.sports.football.pro.gb-packers "Darkwing \(Double Secret Disinformation Agent\)" <theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com> wrote:
"Freedom Fries" <KilintonShouldFaceTrial@warcriminal.com> whined in message
news:42df2ed0$1_2@x-privat.org...
The first act of war was committed by the United States against Japan not
vice versa. In early 1941, prior to Pearl Harbor, America sent pilots to
train China's air force. They also sent planes to China to be used against
Japan.
http://www.usshawkbill.com/tigers/
Imagine a liberal blaming the USA for an unprovoked attack. Typical.
Actually, that was an old right-wing bugaboo, about how FDR knew all
about it in order to get us into war.
You're rather young, aren't you?
Mike
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| User: "Darkwing \Double Secret Disinformation Agent\ theducksmailATyahoo.com" |
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22 Jul 2005 12:32:09 PM |
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<mtfester@netMAPSONscape.net> wrote in message
news:dbqs9s$485$3@news.Stanford.EDU...
In alt.sports.football.pro.gb-packers "Darkwing \(Double Secret
Disinformation Agent\)" <theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com> wrote:
"Freedom Fries" <KilintonShouldFaceTrial@warcriminal.com> whined in
message
news:42df2ed0$1_2@x-privat.org...
The first act of war was committed by the United States against Japan
not
vice versa. In early 1941, prior to Pearl Harbor, America sent pilots
to
train China's air force. They also sent planes to China to be used
against
Japan.
http://www.usshawkbill.com/tigers/
Imagine a liberal blaming the USA for an unprovoked attack. Typical.
Actually, that was an old right-wing bugaboo, about how FDR knew all
about it in order to get us into war.
You're rather young, aren't you?
Mike
I was referring to Freedon Fries there Cheif.
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DW
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23 Jul 2005 06:33:33 PM |
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wrote:
In alt.sports.football.pro.gb-packers "Darkwing \(Double Secret Disinformation Agent\)" <theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com> wrote:
"Freedom Fries" <KilintonShouldFaceTrial@warcriminal.com> whined in message
news:42df2ed0$1_2@x-privat.org...
The first act of war was committed by the United States against Japan not
vice versa. In early 1941, prior to Pearl Harbor, America sent pilots to
train China's air force. They also sent planes to China to be used against
Japan.
http://www.usshawkbill.com/tigers/
Imagine a liberal blaming the USA for an unprovoked attack. Typical.
Actually, that was an old right-wing bugaboo, about how FDR knew all
about it in order to get us into war.
You're rather young, aren't you?
Mike
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| User: "Terrell Miller" |
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23 Jul 2005 09:16:15 AM |
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wrote:
Imagine a liberal blaming the USA for an unprovoked attack. Typical.
Actually, that was an old right-wing bugaboo, about how FDR knew all
about it in order to get us into war.
um, we *did* know about it.
"This message is to be construed as a war warning"...
We had spies eyeballing the Jap invasion fleet riding at anchor in
Shanghai harbor in November. We *knew* the Japanese were preparing a
massive amphibious assault somewhere in SE Asia. We just didn't know
where or when.
Both Admiral Kimmel and General Short (conmmanders of the naval and Army
forces in Hawaii) had been given very clear warnings by their chain of
command that we were about to get into a shooting war with Japan. They
had been drilling their forces for weeks in preparation.
What we did not know is that Yamamoto had assembled a carrier task force
to do the preemtive attack on Pearl as well. And they got lucky,
steaming through a major storm system to hide their movements.
But there is no excuse for Pearl Harbor. Short and Kimmel both seemed to
have given their commands a day off, as it were, from training. And
that's when the Japs happened to launch their attack.
To make things worse, the actions taken to deter sabotage by the ethnic
japanese in Hawaii (having all the battleships in their berths and
bunching up the aircraft at Hickam Field) actually made the Japanese
attack *more* effective by concentrating the targets in a smaller area.
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Terrell Miller
millerto@bellsouth.net
"Suddenly, after nearly 30 years of scorn, Prog is cool again".
-Entertainment Weekly
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23 Jul 2005 10:23:15 AM |
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In alt.sports.football.pro.gb-packers Terrell Miller <millerto@bellsouth.net> wrote:
mtfester@netMAPSONscape.net wrote:
Imagine a liberal blaming the USA for an unprovoked attack. Typical.
Actually, that was an old right-wing bugaboo, about how FDR knew all
about it in order to get us into war.
um, we *did* know about it.
Uh, no we *didn't*
"This message is to be construed as a war warning"...
Right. We expected an attack on the British and Dutch positions, and
possibly the PI.
Not in Pearl Harbor.
We had spies eyeballing the Jap invasion fleet riding at anchor in
Shanghai harbor in November.
Which didn't matter; the Pearl Harbor task force sailed out of
Hokkaidou.
(Did you not read the title of the thread?)
Mike
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24 Jul 2005 08:39:09 AM |
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wrote:
"This message is to be construed as a war warning"...
Right. We expected an attack on the British and Dutch positions, and
possibly the PI.
Not in Pearl Harbor.
ah, so you're saying that the enemy always attacks where we expect them
to, therefore we shouldn't bother to guard ourselves elsewhere. Got it.
We had spies eyeballing the Jap invasion fleet riding at anchor in
Shanghai harbor in November.
Which didn't matter; the Pearl Harbor task force sailed out of
Hokkaidou.
the point being that we knew we were about to go to war with Japan.
Short knew that. Kimmel knew that. They knew there was a credible threat
of sabotage *in Hawaii itself*, which is why all the aircraft were
bunched together at Hickam.
Long story short, we knew damn well that we were about to get into the
war. But the army and naval commands in Hawaii were still trying to
carry on like it was peacetime.
(Did you not read the title of the thread?)
yep, it said that Pearl was our fault. Which is utter BS.
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Terrell Miller
millerto@bellsouth.net
"Suddenly, after nearly 30 years of scorn, Prog is cool again".
-Entertainment Weekly
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24 Jul 2005 11:19:41 AM |
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In alt.sports.football.pro.gb-packers Terrell Miller <millerto@bellsouth.net> wrote:
mtfester@netMAPSONscape.net wrote:
"This message is to be construed as a war warning"...
Right. We expected an attack on the British and Dutch positions, and
possibly the PI.
Not in Pearl Harbor.
ah, so you're saying that the enemy always attacks where we expect them
to, therefore we shouldn't bother to guard ourselves elsewhere.
No, had you been following along, you would know that I stated we
suspected the Japanese were going to attack in the SW Pacific, and
thus there is no reason to believe the "FDR knew about Pearl
beforehand".
Had you been following, that is.
Got it.
Apparently not.
We had spies eyeballing the Jap invasion fleet riding at anchor in
Shanghai harbor in November.
Which didn't matter; the Pearl Harbor task force sailed out of
Hokkaidou.
the point being that we knew we were about to go to war with Japan.
No, the point being we knew Japan was moving in the SW Pacific.
Sorry, I didn't realize I needed to say things twice that you might
get them once.
Long story short, we knew damn well that we were about to get into the
war.
No, we suspected it, but didn't know. We did not know for certain
that the Japanese wouldn't bypass the PI and hit only Dutch and
British possessions.
(Did you not read the title of the thread?)
yep, it said that Pearl was our fault. Which is utter BS.
And you refute BS with illiteracy?
Mike
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25 Jul 2005 06:53:50 PM |
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wrote:
We had spies eyeballing the Jap invasion fleet riding at anchor in
Shanghai harbor in November.
Which didn't matter; the Pearl Harbor task force sailed out of
Hokkaidou.
the point being that we knew we were about to go to war with Japan.
No, the point being we knew Japan was moving in the SW Pacific.
and we knew that this time it would be our turn on the receiving end.
Long story short, we knew damn well that we were about to get into the
war.
No, we suspected it, but didn't know. We did not know for certain
that the Japanese wouldn't bypass the PI and hit only Dutch and
British possessions.
"This is to be construed as a war warning".
Utterly unmistakeable, utterly impossible to wordsmith around.
(Did you not read the title of the thread?)
yep, it said that Pearl was our fault. Which is utter BS.
And you refute BS with illiteracy?
erm, "illiteracy" is when you can't read or write. I think you were
thinking of a different term, yes?
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Terrell Miller
millerto@bellsouth.net
"Suddenly, after nearly 30 years of scorn, Prog is cool again".
-Entertainment Weekly
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25 Jul 2005 10:42:10 PM |
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In alt.sports.football.pro.gb-packers Terrell Miller <millerto@bellsouth.net> wrote:
mtfester@netMAPSONscape.net wrote:
We had spies eyeballing the Jap invasion fleet riding at anchor in
Shanghai harbor in November.
Which didn't matter; the Pearl Harbor task force sailed out of
Hokkaidou.
the point being that we knew we were about to go to war with Japan.
No, the point being we knew Japan was moving in the SW Pacific.
and we knew that this time it would be our turn on the receiving end.
Uh, no, we did not. Indeed, were you read Feis, (or Lee, for that
matter), you'd know that one of the problems facing FDR was what
to do if the attacks bypassed the PI.
No, we suspected it, but didn't know. We did not know for certain
that the Japanese wouldn't bypass the PI and hit only Dutch and
British possessions.
"This is to be construed as a war warning".
Utterly unmistakeable, utterly impossible to wordsmith around.
Issued prior to the movement of the Japanese Fleets.
Again, *NOT* a declaration, *NOT* a certainty.
Yes, "Utterly unmistakeable, utterly impossible to wordsmith around."
Why don't you get it?
yep, it said that Pearl was our fault. Which is utter BS.
And you refute BS with illiteracy?
erm, "illiteracy" is when you can't read or write. I think you were
thinking of a different term, yes?
I was trying to avoid "ignorance".
Mike
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24 Jul 2005 12:39:11 PM |
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On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 09:39:09 -0400, Terrell Miller
<millerto@bellsouth.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
<NQMEe.26093$do5.22210@bignews5.bellsouth.net> wrote:
mtfester@netMAPSONscape.net wrote:
"This message is to be construed as a war warning"...
Right. We expected an attack on the British and Dutch positions, and
possibly the PI.
Not in Pearl Harbor.
ah, so you're saying that the enemy always attacks where we expect them
to, therefore we shouldn't bother to guard ourselves elsewhere. Got it.
We had spies eyeballing the Jap invasion fleet riding at anchor in
Shanghai harbor in November.
Which didn't matter; the Pearl Harbor task force sailed out of
Hokkaidou.
the point being that we knew we were about to go to war with Japan.
Short knew that. Kimmel knew that. They knew there was a credible threat
of sabotage *in Hawaii itself*, which is why all the aircraft were
bunched together at Hickam.
Long story short, we knew damn well that we were about to get into the
war. But the army and naval commands in Hawaii were still trying to
carry on like it was peacetime.
They didn't have a lot of choice. The US was isolationist at the time
and would not stand for anything that might involve us in a 'foreign
war'. Plus no one had a lot of experience in sneak attacks.
The December issue of a well-known and very prestigious naval magazine
had a lead article pointing out that no capital ship had ever been
sunk by aircraft.
The cover picture was the USS Arizona.
(Did you not read the title of the thread?)
yep, it said that Pearl was our fault. Which is utter BS.
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25 Jul 2005 07:28:27 AM |
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Attila wrote:
The December issue of a well-known and very prestigious naval magazine
had a lead article pointing out that no capital ship had ever been
sunk by aircraft.
The cover picture was the USS Arizona.
Proceedings?
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Terrell Miller
millerto@bellsouth.net
"Suddenly, after nearly 30 years of scorn, Prog is cool again".
-Entertainment Weekly
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25 Jul 2005 10:11:48 AM |
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On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:28:27 -0400, Terrell Miller
<millerto@bellsouth.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
<tU4Fe.29118$TU.2332@bignews1.bellsouth.net> wrote:
Attila wrote:
The December issue of a well-known and very prestigious naval magazine
had a lead article pointing out that no capital ship had ever been
sunk by aircraft.
The cover picture was the USS Arizona.
Proceedings?
I don't recall the magazine but I can visualize the picture.
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