| Topic: |
Science > Abortion |
| User: |
"Papa Jack" |
| Date: |
14 Nov 2003 11:57:28 AM |
| Object: |
People's Consciences |
On 11/12/03, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution posted an article
by RAYMOND J. KEATING (a columnist for Newsday) titled: "Debate
Over Abortion One That Won't Go Away ." Go to:
http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opinion/1103/14special_keating.html
________________________________________________________________________
Excerpts:
"Many people wish to avoid the wrenching issue of abortion. They
apparently want the entire topic just to go away and be removed
from public discourse. That must not happen, though, as few other
issues say as much about our society and how we value human life.
"In particular, I've come across individuals who say they are pro-
choice but seem uneasy about their position. That's understandable,
since abortion, after all, is the taking of a human life. In a
nation that places such great emphasis on the care of children --
with some asserting that it takes a village to raise a child --
there were 256 abortions per 1,000 live births in 1999, according
to the latest estimates from the Centers for Disease Control and
Prevention.
Except for the most militant pro-abortion forces, this stagger-
ing number must nag, to one degree or another, at people's con-
sciences. Most pro-choicers, for example, proclaim that they
want to make abortion safe and rare. But why rare? Perhaps
they recognize that abortion is more than just a medical proce-
dure; that in most cases, it's morally wrong.
[...]
On the Senate floor earlier this year, Senate Majority Leader
Bill Frist (R-Tenn.), who is a surgeon, described the grisly act:
"It begins by turning the living fetus around, partially pulling
it out of the uterus feet first, and then thrusting the base of
its skull deeply with 8-inch long scissors. Next the scissors are
forcibly opened in the skull of the fetus to create a hole large
enough to evacuate the brain and the contents of the head.
Once the skull is collapsed, the now dead infant is pulled
from the uterus through the birth canal."
If that were not bad enough, consider what Frist went on to
point out: "This procedure is most commonly performed in
the second trimester of pregnancy, from 20 to 27 weeks.
How developed is a fetus during this period? The survival
rate for premature babies born at 23 weeks is 30 to 50
percent. For those born at 24 to 25 weeks, the survival rate
is between 60 percent and 90 percent. Experts also believe
that an infant begins to feel pain at this stage and, in fact,
does feel horrific pain during the forcible manipulations and
the stabbing of the skull during partial-birth abortion."
Let all of this sink in a moment. I have to fight off tears
when I do.
[...]
Some argue that abortion is a constitutional right. For
example, New York City Rep. Carolyn Maloney said, "The
question is not whether the bill is unconstitutional,
because it clearly is." A federal judge in New York City
last week issued a temporary restraining order declaring
the law unconstitutional. I've read the U.S. Constitution
many times, but have never come across a right to
abortion. Instead, the U.S. Supreme Court manufactured
this so-called right some three decades ago.
[...]
________________________________________________________________________
Papa Jack comments:
All abortions are barbaric -- particularly those which
aren't somewhat justified by some emergency. The partial-
birth abortion is a especially gruesome abortion procedure
(as described above by Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist,
who is a surgeon).
Why can't the Pro-Aborts see how offensive this procedure
is to normal folks?
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| User: "Diane" |
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| Title: Re: People's Consciences |
14 Nov 2003 05:12:46 PM |
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"Papa Jack" <papajack@stic.net> wrote in message
news:6f9e1b49.0311140957.61b30f89@posting.google.com...
On 11/12/03, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution posted an article
by RAYMOND J. KEATING (a columnist for Newsday) titled: "Debate
Over Abortion One That Won't Go Away ." Go to:
http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opinion/1103/14special_keating.html
________________________________________________________________________
Excerpts:
"Many people wish to avoid the wrenching issue of abortion. They
apparently want the entire topic just to go away and be removed
from public discourse. That must not happen, though, as few other
issues say as much about our society and how we value human life.
"In particular, I've come across individuals who say they are pro-
choice but seem uneasy about their position. That's understandable,
since abortion, after all, is the taking of a human life. In a
nation that places such great emphasis on the care of children --
with some asserting that it takes a village to raise a child --
there were 256 abortions per 1,000 live births in 1999, according
to the latest estimates from the Centers for Disease Control and
Prevention.
Except for the most militant pro-abortion forces, this stagger-
ing number must nag, to one degree or another, at people's con-
sciences. Most pro-choicers, for example, proclaim that they
want to make abortion safe and rare. But why rare? Perhaps
they recognize that abortion is more than just a medical proce-
dure; that in most cases, it's morally wrong.
[...]
On the Senate floor earlier this year, Senate Majority Leader
Bill Frist (R-Tenn.), who is a surgeon, described the grisly act:
"It begins by turning the living fetus around, partially pulling >
it out of the uterus feet first,
Papa, I am pro-life myself, and find the ID&E procedure WHEN PERFORMED FOR
SOCIAL REASONS unconscienable, but that quote is NOT correct. During a D&X,
they do NOT turn the fetus. They grab the fetus by whatever part presents,
most typically the feet or buttocks, but sometimes the head itself if the
abortion is done late enogh. Just thought I'd clear that up.
and then thrusting the base of
its skull deeply with 8-inch long scissors. Next the scissors are
forcibly opened in the skull of the fetus to create a hole large
enough to evacuate the brain and the contents of the head.
Once the skull is collapsed, the now dead infant is pulled
from the uterus through the birth canal."
If that were not bad enough, consider what Frist went on to
point out: "This procedure is most commonly performed in
the second trimester of pregnancy, from 20 to 27 weeks.
How developed is a fetus during this period? The survival
rate for premature babies born at 23 weeks is 30 to 50
percent. For those born at 24 to 25 weeks, the survival rate
is between 60 percent and 90 percent. Experts also believe
that an infant begins to feel pain at this stage and, in fact,
does feel horrific pain during the forcible manipulations and
the stabbing of the skull during partial-birth abortion."
Let all of this sink in a moment. I have to fight off tears
when I do.
[...]
Some argue that abortion is a constitutional right. For
example, New York City Rep. Carolyn Maloney said, "The
question is not whether the bill is unconstitutional,
because it clearly is." A federal judge in New York City
last week issued a temporary restraining order declaring
the law unconstitutional. I've read the U.S. Constitution
many times, but have never come across a right to
abortion. Instead, the U.S. Supreme Court manufactured
this so-called right some three decades ago.
[...]
________________________________________________________________________
Papa Jack comments:
All abortions are barbaric -- particularly those which
aren't somewhat justified by some emergency. The partial-
birth abortion is a especially gruesome abortion procedure
(as described above by Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist,
who is a surgeon).
Why can't the Pro-Aborts see how offensive this procedure
is to normal folks?
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| User: "golddodgearies" |
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| Title: Re: People's Consciences |
19 Nov 2003 08:16:44 PM |
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"Diane" <Dkelley@suscom.net> wrote in message news:<vraobihtfog313@corp.supernews.com>...
Papa, I am pro-life myself, and find the ID&E procedure WHEN PERFORMED FOR
SOCIAL REASONS unconscienable
Murder for non-social reasons is still murder, dum-dum.
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| User: "Diane" |
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| Title: Re: People's Consciences |
27 Nov 2003 06:27:52 AM |
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"golddodgearies" <golddodgearies@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44e87bc2.0311191816.67d9c866@posting.google.com...
"Diane" <Dkelley@suscom.net> wrote in message
news:<vraobihtfog313@corp.supernews.com>...
Papa, I am pro-life myself, and find the ID&E procedure WHEN PERFORMED
FOR
SOCIAL REASONS unconscienable
Murder for non-social reasons is still murder, dum-dum.
gold, I WAS on your side, but you seem to have a propensity for attacking
even those who SHARE your views. It makes those of us who actually have a
brain LOOK babd, and makes you look like a troll.
Now, to the statement. How is it murder if the baby is going to die seconds
after leaving the womb anyway, or if it's ALREADY DEAD? Those are the
reasons I see as being justifiable ones for abortion. Keep your facts
straight, dummy.
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| User: "Osprey" |
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| Title: Re: People's Consciences |
27 Nov 2003 06:34:39 AM |
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"Diane" <Dkelley@suscom.net> wrote in message
news:vsbrebp7r53r37@corp.supernews.com...
"golddodgearies" <golddodgearies@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44e87bc2.0311191816.67d9c866@posting.google.com...
"Diane" <Dkelley@suscom.net> wrote in message
news:<vraobihtfog313@corp.supernews.com>...
Papa, I am pro-life myself, and find the ID&E procedure WHEN PERFORMED
FOR
SOCIAL REASONS unconscienable
Murder for non-social reasons is still murder, dum-dum.
gold, I WAS on your side, but you seem to have a propensity for attacking
even those who SHARE your views.
Exactly Diane, I noticed the same thing.
It makes those of us who actually have a
brain LOOK babd, and makes you look like a troll.
Agreed.
Now, to the statement. How is it murder if the baby is going to die
seconds
after leaving the womb anyway, or if it's ALREADY DEAD? Those are the
reasons I see as being justifiable ones for abortion. Keep your facts
straight, dummy.
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| User: "golddodgearies" |
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| Title: Re: People's Consciences |
27 Nov 2003 07:13:52 PM |
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"Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote in message news:<r7qdnZnisLnHcliiRVn-gQ@comcast.com>...
You can say anything you want about me. Just don't say anything stupid
about pregnant women or their children.
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| User: "--tomcat--" |
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| Title: Re: People's Consciences |
02 Dec 2003 01:14:11 AM |
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"golddodgearies" <golddodgearies@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44e87bc2.0311271713.d0d591d@posting.google.com...
"Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:<r7qdnZnisLnHcliiRVn-gQ@comcast.com>...
You can say anything you want about me. Just don't say anything stupid
about pregnant women or their children.
In all the statements I have read of yours, I don't think you care about
women, pregnant or not, just the fetus and children.
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| User: "--sexkitten--" |
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| Title: Re: People's Consciences |
28 Nov 2003 07:22:41 AM |
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"golddodgearies" <golddodgearies@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44e87bc2.0311271713.d0d591d@posting.google.com...
"Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:<r7qdnZnisLnHcliiRVn-gQ@comcast.com>...
You can say anything you want about me. Just don't say anything stupid
about pregnant women or their children.
The only one doing that is you.
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| User: "Krisblake" |
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| Title: Re: People's Consciences |
28 Nov 2003 06:36:20 AM |
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On 27 Nov 2003 17:13:52 -0800,
(golddodgearies) wrote:
"Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote in message news:<r7qdnZnisLnHcliiRVn-gQ@comcast.com>...
You can say anything you want about me. Just don't say anything stupid
about pregnant women or their children.
Unless it's to force them to gestate (which incidentally is something
Osprey's SUPPORTS.)
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| User: "Krisblake" |
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| Title: Re: People's Consciences |
27 Nov 2003 06:55:15 AM |
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On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 07:34:39 -0500, "Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Diane" <Dkelley@suscom.net> wrote in message
news:vsbrebp7r53r37@corp.supernews.com...
"golddodgearies" <golddodgearies@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44e87bc2.0311191816.67d9c866@posting.google.com...
"Diane" <Dkelley@suscom.net> wrote in message
news:<vraobihtfog313@corp.supernews.com>...
Papa, I am pro-life myself, and find the ID&E procedure WHEN PERFORMED
FOR
SOCIAL REASONS unconscienable
Murder for non-social reasons is still murder, dum-dum.
gold, I WAS on your side, but you seem to have a propensity for attacking
even those who SHARE your views.
Exactly Diane, I noticed the same thing.
Oh, please! You came to his defence more than once, and NOW you're
noticing the moronic dumbfuck he is? (Oh, wait, maybe it's because he
dissed you.)
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| User: "Diane" |
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| Title: Re: People's Consciences |
27 Nov 2003 07:06:23 AM |
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"Krisblake" <Krisblakemy2luvs@aol.com> wrote in message
news:ousbsv06ua0jvrc7rhlov9lpljno5mn29f@4ax.com...
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 07:34:39 -0500, "Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Diane" <Dkelley@suscom.net> wrote in message
news:vsbrebp7r53r37@corp.supernews.com...
"golddodgearies" <golddodgearies@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44e87bc2.0311191816.67d9c866@posting.google.com...
"Diane" <Dkelley@suscom.net> wrote in message
news:<vraobihtfog313@corp.supernews.com>...
Papa, I am pro-life myself, and find the ID&E procedure WHEN
PERFORMED
FOR
SOCIAL REASONS unconscienable
Murder for non-social reasons is still murder, dum-dum.
gold, I WAS on your side, but you seem to have a propensity for
attacking
even those who SHARE your views.
Exactly Diane, I noticed the same thing.
Oh, please! You came to his defence more than once, and NOW you're
noticing the moronic dumbfuck he is? (Oh, wait, maybe it's because he
dissed you.)
Kris, I ignored his idiocy for a while, until it just got so obvious I
couldn't restrain myself anymore. I don't deal with stupidity well, which is
why I didn't get along with my ex.
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| User: "Diane" |
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| Title: Re: People's Consciences |
27 Nov 2003 07:12:44 AM |
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"Krisblake" <Krisblakemy2luvs@aol.com> wrote in message
news:ousbsv06ua0jvrc7rhlov9lpljno5mn29f@4ax.com...
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 07:34:39 -0500, "Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Diane" <Dkelley@suscom.net> wrote in message
news:vsbrebp7r53r37@corp.supernews.com...
"golddodgearies" <golddodgearies@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44e87bc2.0311191816.67d9c866@posting.google.com...
"Diane" <Dkelley@suscom.net> wrote in message
news:<vraobihtfog313@corp.supernews.com>...
Papa, I am pro-life myself, and find the ID&E procedure WHEN
PERFORMED
FOR
SOCIAL REASONS unconscienable
Murder for non-social reasons is still murder, dum-dum.
gold, I WAS on your side, but you seem to have a propensity for
attacking
even those who SHARE your views.
Exactly Diane, I noticed the same thing.
Oh, please! You came to his defence more than once, and NOW you're
noticing the moronic dumbfuck he is? (Oh, wait, maybe it's because he
dissed you.)
Oh, and Kris, being a moderate isn't easy, as I tend to get slammed by
people on BOTH sides of the issue.I get it frrom the pro-choice bunch
because I think a woman should take resposibility for the results of her
poor choices. I get it from the pro-life side because I see defect in the
fetus that are not going to allow the baby to live outside the womb as a
legitimate reason for having an abortion done. Swinging too far toward
EITHER side is the route to unimaginably horrible things, and I don't want
to end up either like Gold, or Ray. They are both HIGHLY extremeist.
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| User: "golddodgearies" |
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| Title: Re: People's Consciences |
27 Nov 2003 07:16:31 PM |
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"Diane" <Dkelley@suscom.net> wrote in message news:<vsbu2fi6vqd702@corp.supernews.com>...
I get it from the pro-life side because I see defect in the
fetus that are not going to allow the baby to live outside the womb as a
legitimate reason for having an abortion done.
Stupid moron.
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| User: "--sexkitten--" |
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| Title: Re: People's Consciences |
28 Nov 2003 07:22:17 AM |
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"golddodgearies" <golddodgearies@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44e87bc2.0311271716.6f2105f4@posting.google.com...
"Diane" <Dkelley@suscom.net> wrote in message
news:<vsbu2fi6vqd702@corp.supernews.com>...
I get it from the pro-life side because I see defect in the
fetus that are not going to allow the baby to live outside the womb as a
legitimate reason for having an abortion done.
Stupid moron.
Inability to answer noted.
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| User: "Krisblake" |
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| Title: Re: People's Consciences |
28 Nov 2003 06:36:50 AM |
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On 27 Nov 2003 17:16:31 -0800,
(golddodgearies) wrote:
[...]
Stupid moron.
You are.
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| User: "Lawrence E. McKnight" |
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| Title: Re: People's Consciences |
27 Nov 2003 11:21:53 AM |
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On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 08:12:44 -0500, "Diane" <Dkelley@suscom.net>
wrote:
"Krisblake" <Krisblakemy2luvs@aol.com> wrote in message
news:ousbsv06ua0jvrc7rhlov9lpljno5mn29f@4ax.com...
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 07:34:39 -0500, "Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Diane" <Dkelley@suscom.net> wrote in message
news:vsbrebp7r53r37@corp.supernews.com...
"golddodgearies" <golddodgearies@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44e87bc2.0311191816.67d9c866@posting.google.com...
"Diane" <Dkelley@suscom.net> wrote in message
news:<vraobihtfog313@corp.supernews.com>...
Papa, I am pro-life myself, and find the ID&E procedure WHEN
PERFORMED
FOR
SOCIAL REASONS unconscienable
Murder for non-social reasons is still murder, dum-dum.
gold, I WAS on your side, but you seem to have a propensity for
attacking
even those who SHARE your views.
Exactly Diane, I noticed the same thing.
Oh, please! You came to his defence more than once, and NOW you're
noticing the moronic dumbfuck he is? (Oh, wait, maybe it's because he
dissed you.)
Oh, and Kris, being a moderate isn't easy, as I tend to get slammed by
people on BOTH sides of the issue.I get it frrom the pro-choice bunch
because I think a woman should take resposibility for the results of her
poor choices. I get it from the pro-life side because I see defect in the
fetus that are not going to allow the baby to live outside the womb as a
legitimate reason for having an abortion done. Swinging too far toward
EITHER side is the route to unimaginably horrible things, and I don't want
to end up either like Gold, or Ray. They are both HIGHLY extremeist.
Just what is your definition of 'moderate'? You seem to be claiming
to be one. You apparently wouldn't even allow an abortion to save the
life of the woman. That's 'moderate'?
-
Larry
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make obvious deletion for email
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| User: "Diane" |
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| Title: Re: People's Consciences |
27 Nov 2003 03:47:35 PM |
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"Lawrence E. McKnight" <lawrence.delete.mcknight@sbcglobal.delete.net> wrote
in message news:acccsv4c9a0hamd8opnuf6s7c15ssb7aej@4ax.com...
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 08:12:44 -0500, "Diane" <Dkelley@suscom.net>
wrote:
"Krisblake" <Krisblakemy2luvs@aol.com> wrote in message
news:ousbsv06ua0jvrc7rhlov9lpljno5mn29f@4ax.com...
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 07:34:39 -0500, "Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Diane" <Dkelley@suscom.net> wrote in message
news:vsbrebp7r53r37@corp.supernews.com...
"golddodgearies" <golddodgearies@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44e87bc2.0311191816.67d9c866@posting.google.com...
"Diane" <Dkelley@suscom.net> wrote in message
news:<vraobihtfog313@corp.supernews.com>...
Papa, I am pro-life myself, and find the ID&E procedure WHEN
PERFORMED
FOR
SOCIAL REASONS unconscienable
Murder for non-social reasons is still murder, dum-dum.
gold, I WAS on your side, but you seem to have a propensity for
attacking
even those who SHARE your views.
Exactly Diane, I noticed the same thing.
Oh, please! You came to his defence more than once, and NOW you're
noticing the moronic dumbfuck he is? (Oh, wait, maybe it's because he
dissed you.)
Oh, and Kris, being a moderate isn't easy, as I tend to get slammed by
people on BOTH sides of the issue.I get it frrom the pro-choice bunch
because I think a woman should take resposibility for the results of her
poor choices. I get it from the pro-life side because I see defect in the
fetus that are not going to allow the baby to live outside the womb as a
legitimate reason for having an abortion done. Swinging too far toward
EITHER side is the route to unimaginably horrible things, and I don't
want
to end up either like Gold, or Ray. They are both HIGHLY extremeist.
Just what is your definition of 'moderate'? You seem to be claiming
to be one. You apparently wouldn't even allow an abortion to save the
life of the woman. That's 'moderate'?
-
Larry
(this space unintentionally left blank .....
make obvious deletion for email
Larry, I have also stated that to save the mother's life it is justifiable
(Such as Ectopics and the like) but those instances are few and far berween,
and few pro-lifers even bat an eye at those instances.
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| User: "Bob" |
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| Title: Re: People's Consciences |
27 Nov 2003 04:34:17 PM |
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"Diane" <Dkelley@suscom.net> wrote in
news:vscs7qd2uv6ia7@corp.supernews.com:
"Lawrence E. McKnight" <lawrence.delete.mcknight@sbcglobal.delete.net>
wrote in message news:acccsv4c9a0hamd8opnuf6s7c15ssb7aej@4ax.com...
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 08:12:44 -0500, "Diane" <Dkelley@suscom.net>
wrote:
"Krisblake" <Krisblakemy2luvs@aol.com> wrote in message
news:ousbsv06ua0jvrc7rhlov9lpljno5mn29f@4ax.com...
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 07:34:39 -0500, "Osprey"
<noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Diane" <Dkelley@suscom.net> wrote in message
news:vsbrebp7r53r37@corp.supernews.com...
"golddodgearies" <golddodgearies@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44e87bc2.0311191816.67d9c866@posting.google.com...
"Diane" <Dkelley@suscom.net> wrote in message
news:<vraobihtfog313@corp.supernews.com>...
Papa, I am pro-life myself, and find the ID&E procedure
WHEN
PERFORMED
FOR
SOCIAL REASONS unconscienable
Murder for non-social reasons is still murder, dum-dum.
gold, I WAS on your side, but you seem to have a propensity for
attacking
even those who SHARE your views.
Exactly Diane, I noticed the same thing.
Oh, please! You came to his defence more than once, and NOW you're
noticing the moronic dumbfuck he is? (Oh, wait, maybe it's because
he dissed you.)
Oh, and Kris, being a moderate isn't easy, as I tend to get slammed
by people on BOTH sides of the issue.I get it frrom the pro-choice
bunch because I think a woman should take resposibility for the
results of her poor choices. I get it from the pro-life side because
I see defect in the fetus that are not going to allow the baby to
live outside the womb as a legitimate reason for having an abortion
done. Swinging too far toward EITHER side is the route to
unimaginably horrible things, and I don't
want
to end up either like Gold, or Ray. They are both HIGHLY extremeist.
Just what is your definition of 'moderate'? You seem to be claiming
to be one. You apparently wouldn't even allow an abortion to save
the life of the woman. That's 'moderate'?
-
Larry
(this space unintentionally left blank .....
make obvious deletion for email
Larry, I have also stated that to save the mother's life it is
justifiable (Such as Ectopics and the like) but those instances are
few and far berween, and few pro-lifers even bat an eye at those
instances.
Who cares what you think is "justifiable"? You anti-choice zealots have no
right or business interfering with someone else's sexual or reproductive
choices and decisions, people you don't even know. Mind your own life.
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| User: "Lawrence E. McKnight" |
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| Title: Re: People's Consciences |
27 Nov 2003 08:04:55 PM |
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On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:47:35 -0500, "Diane" <Dkelley@suscom.net>
wrote:
"Lawrence E. McKnight" <lawrence.delete.mcknight@sbcglobal.delete.net> wrote
in message news:acccsv4c9a0hamd8opnuf6s7c15ssb7aej@4ax.com...
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 08:12:44 -0500, "Diane" <Dkelley@suscom.net>
wrote:
"Krisblake" <Krisblakemy2luvs@aol.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 07:34:39 -0500, "Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Diane" <Dkelley@suscom.net> wrote in message
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Papa, I am pro-life myself, and find the ID&E procedure WHEN
PERFORMED
FOR
SOCIAL REASONS unconscienable
Murder for non-social reasons is still murder, dum-dum.
gold, I WAS on your side, but you seem to have a propensity for
attacking
even those who SHARE your views.
Exactly Diane, I noticed the same thing.
Oh, please! You came to his defence more than once, and NOW you're
noticing the moronic dumbfuck he is? (Oh, wait, maybe it's because he
dissed you.)
Oh, and Kris, being a moderate isn't easy, as I tend to get slammed by
people on BOTH sides of the issue.I get it frrom the pro-choice bunch
because I think a woman should take resposibility for the results of her
poor choices. I get it from the pro-life side because I see defect in the
fetus that are not going to allow the baby to live outside the womb as a
legitimate reason for having an abortion done. Swinging too far toward
EITHER side is the route to unimaginably horrible things, and I don't
want
to end up either like Gold, or Ray. They are both HIGHLY extremeist.
Just what is your definition of 'moderate'? You seem to be claiming
to be one. You apparently wouldn't even allow an abortion to save the
life of the woman. That's 'moderate'?
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Larry, I have also stated that to save the mother's life it is justifiable
(Such as Ectopics and the like) but those instances are few and far berween,
and few pro-lifers even bat an eye at those instances.
Ah, Diane, you keep bringing up examples where the embryo will NEVER
survive. You are 'moderate' in the same sense that Manson could call
himself 'moderate' compared to the Green River Killer.
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27 Nov 2003 11:15:58 AM |
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On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 07:55:15 -0500, Krisblake
<Krisblakemy2luvs@aol.com> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 07:34:39 -0500, "Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Diane" <Dkelley@suscom.net> wrote in message
news:vsbrebp7r53r37@corp.supernews.com...
"golddodgearies" <golddodgearies@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44e87bc2.0311191816.67d9c866@posting.google.com...
"Diane" <Dkelley@suscom.net> wrote in message
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Papa, I am pro-life myself, and find the ID&E procedure WHEN PERFORMED
FOR
SOCIAL REASONS unconscienable
Murder for non-social reasons is still murder, dum-dum.
gold, I WAS on your side, but you seem to have a propensity for attacking
even those who SHARE your views.
Exactly Diane, I noticed the same thing.
Oh, please! You came to his defence more than once, and NOW you're
noticing the moronic dumbfuck he is? (Oh, wait, maybe it's because he
dissed you.)
Well, we could discuss the fact that Diane and Osprey seemed to be
claiming that they have brains.
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27 Nov 2003 11:29:00 AM |
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"Lawrence E. McKnight" <lawrence.delete.mcknight@sbcglobal.delete.net> wrote
in message news:39ccsv8n26bbp2v2vfiqd2o9mekffpva2c@4ax.com...
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 07:55:15 -0500, Krisblake
<Krisblakemy2luvs@aol.com> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 07:34:39 -0500, "Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Diane" <Dkelley@suscom.net> wrote in message
news:vsbrebp7r53r37@corp.supernews.com...
"golddodgearies" <golddodgearies@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44e87bc2.0311191816.67d9c866@posting.google.com...
"Diane" <Dkelley@suscom.net> wrote in message
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Papa, I am pro-life myself, and find the ID&E procedure WHEN
PERFORMED
FOR
SOCIAL REASONS unconscienable
Murder for non-social reasons is still murder, dum-dum.
gold, I WAS on your side, but you seem to have a propensity for
attacking
even those who SHARE your views.
Exactly Diane, I noticed the same thing.
Oh, please! You came to his defence more than once, and NOW you're
noticing the moronic dumbfuck he is? (Oh, wait, maybe it's because he
dissed you.)
Well, we could discuss the fact that Diane and Osprey seemed to be
claiming that they have brains.
Make your claim then. Go ahead Larry, make a claim.
You never have anything else to say, so here is your chance.
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27 Nov 2003 06:39:52 PM |
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On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 12:29:00 -0500, "Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Lawrence E. McKnight" <lawrence.delete.mcknight@sbcglobal.delete.net> wrote
in message news:39ccsv8n26bbp2v2vfiqd2o9mekffpva2c@4ax.com...
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 07:55:15 -0500, Krisblake
<Krisblakemy2luvs@aol.com> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 07:34:39 -0500, "Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Diane" <Dkelley@suscom.net> wrote in message
news:vsbrebp7r53r37@corp.supernews.com...
"golddodgearies" <golddodgearies@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44e87bc2.0311191816.67d9c866@posting.google.com...
"Diane" <Dkelley@suscom.net> wrote in message
news:<vraobihtfog313@corp.supernews.com>...
Papa, I am pro-life myself, and find the ID&E procedure WHEN
PERFORMED
FOR
SOCIAL REASONS unconscienable
Murder for non-social reasons is still murder, dum-dum.
gold, I WAS on your side, but you seem to have a propensity for
attacking
even those who SHARE your views.
Exactly Diane, I noticed the same thing.
Oh, please! You came to his defence more than once, and NOW you're
noticing the moronic dumbfuck he is? (Oh, wait, maybe it's because he
dissed you.)
Well, we could discuss the fact that Diane and Osprey seemed to be
claiming that they have brains.
Make your claim then.
He's not going to make your claim. It would be ridiculously idiotic.
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| User: "Lawrence E. McKnight" |
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27 Nov 2003 01:57:15 PM |
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On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 12:29:00 -0500, "Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Lawrence E. McKnight" <lawrence.delete.mcknight@sbcglobal.delete.net> wrote
in message news:39ccsv8n26bbp2v2vfiqd2o9mekffpva2c@4ax.com...
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 07:55:15 -0500, Krisblake
<Krisblakemy2luvs@aol.com> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 07:34:39 -0500, "Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Diane" <Dkelley@suscom.net> wrote in message
news:vsbrebp7r53r37@corp.supernews.com...
"golddodgearies" <golddodgearies@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44e87bc2.0311191816.67d9c866@posting.google.com...
"Diane" <Dkelley@suscom.net> wrote in message
news:<vraobihtfog313@corp.supernews.com>...
Papa, I am pro-life myself, and find the ID&E procedure WHEN
PERFORMED
FOR
SOCIAL REASONS unconscienable
Murder for non-social reasons is still murder, dum-dum.
gold, I WAS on your side, but you seem to have a propensity for
attacking
even those who SHARE your views.
Exactly Diane, I noticed the same thing.
Oh, please! You came to his defence more than once, and NOW you're
noticing the moronic dumbfuck he is? (Oh, wait, maybe it's because he
dissed you.)
Well, we could discuss the fact that Diane and Osprey seemed to be
claiming that they have brains.
Make your claim then. Go ahead Larry, make a claim.
You never have anything else to say, so here is your chance.
Gee, Osprey, are you trying to disprove your apparent claim to have a
brain? If you get somebody to explain the big words to you, you will
find that I wasn't making a claim, or promising to make a claim.
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Larry
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27 Nov 2003 02:14:48 PM |
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"Lawrence E. McKnight" <lawrence.delete.mcknight@sbcglobal.delete.net> wrote
in message news:lklcsvg982cn690lhcg5tukkbfq9d81b0u@4ax.com...
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 12:29:00 -0500, "Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Lawrence E. McKnight" <lawrence.delete.mcknight@sbcglobal.delete.net>
wrote
in message news:39ccsv8n26bbp2v2vfiqd2o9mekffpva2c@4ax.com...
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 07:55:15 -0500, Krisblake
<Krisblakemy2luvs@aol.com> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 07:34:39 -0500, "Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Diane" <Dkelley@suscom.net> wrote in message
news:vsbrebp7r53r37@corp.supernews.com...
"golddodgearies" <golddodgearies@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44e87bc2.0311191816.67d9c866@posting.google.com...
"Diane" <Dkelley@suscom.net> wrote in message
news:<vraobihtfog313@corp.supernews.com>...
Papa, I am pro-life myself, and find the ID&E procedure WHEN
PERFORMED
FOR
SOCIAL REASONS unconscienable
Murder for non-social reasons is still murder, dum-dum.
gold, I WAS on your side, but you seem to have a propensity for
attacking
even those who SHARE your views.
Exactly Diane, I noticed the same thing.
Oh, please! You came to his defence more than once, and NOW you're
noticing the moronic dumbfuck he is? (Oh, wait, maybe it's because he
dissed you.)
Well, we could discuss the fact that Diane and Osprey seemed to be
claiming that they have brains.
Make your claim then. Go ahead Larry, make a claim.
You never have anything else to say, so here is your chance.
Gee, Osprey, are you trying to disprove your apparent claim to have a
brain? If you get somebody to explain the big words to you, you will
find that I wasn't making a claim, or promising to make a claim.
Are you too much of a coward to make a claim?
Are you too much of a coward to make a statement?
Obviously you are.
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| User: "Lawrence E. McKnight" |
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27 Nov 2003 08:06:28 PM |
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On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 15:14:48 -0500, "Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Lawrence E. McKnight" <lawrence.delete.mcknight@sbcglobal.delete.net> wrote
in message news:lklcsvg982cn690lhcg5tukkbfq9d81b0u@4ax.com...
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 12:29:00 -0500, "Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Lawrence E. McKnight" <lawrence.delete.mcknight@sbcglobal.delete.net>
wrote
in message news:39ccsv8n26bbp2v2vfiqd2o9mekffpva2c@4ax.com...
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 07:55:15 -0500, Krisblake
<Krisblakemy2luvs@aol.com> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 07:34:39 -0500, "Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Diane" <Dkelley@suscom.net> wrote in message
news:vsbrebp7r53r37@corp.supernews.com...
"golddodgearies" <golddodgearies@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44e87bc2.0311191816.67d9c866@posting.google.com...
"Diane" <Dkelley@suscom.net> wrote in message
news:<vraobihtfog313@corp.supernews.com>...
Papa, I am pro-life myself, and find the ID&E procedure WHEN
PERFORMED
FOR
SOCIAL REASONS unconscienable
Murder for non-social reasons is still murder, dum-dum.
gold, I WAS on your side, but you seem to have a propensity for
attacking
even those who SHARE your views.
Exactly Diane, I noticed the same thing.
Oh, please! You came to his defence more than once, and NOW you're
noticing the moronic dumbfuck he is? (Oh, wait, maybe it's because he
dissed you.)
Well, we could discuss the fact that Diane and Osprey seemed to be
claiming that they have brains.
Make your claim then. Go ahead Larry, make a claim.
You never have anything else to say, so here is your chance.
Gee, Osprey, are you trying to disprove your apparent claim to have a
brain? If you get somebody to explain the big words to you, you will
find that I wasn't making a claim, or promising to make a claim.
Are you too much of a coward to make a claim?
NO, I just wasn't making one in this thread.
Are you too much of a coward to make a statement?
Here is a statement for you: you are a fuckwit. Happy?
Obviously you are.
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Larry
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27 Nov 2003 06:39:21 PM |
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On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 17:15:58 GMT, Lawrence E. McKnight
<lawrence.delete.mcknight@sbcglobal.delete.net> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 07:55:15 -0500, Krisblake
<Krisblakemy2luvs@aol.com> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 07:34:39 -0500, "Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Diane" <Dkelley@suscom.net> wrote in message
news:vsbrebp7r53r37@corp.supernews.com...
"golddodgearies" <golddodgearies@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44e87bc2.0311191816.67d9c866@posting.google.com...
"Diane" <Dkelley@suscom.net> wrote in message
news:<vraobihtfog313@corp.supernews.com>...
Papa, I am pro-life myself, and find the ID&E procedure WHEN PERFORMED
FOR
SOCIAL REASONS unconscienable
Murder for non-social reasons is still murder, dum-dum.
gold, I WAS on your side, but you seem to have a propensity for attacking
even those who SHARE your views.
Exactly Diane, I noticed the same thing.
Oh, please! You came to his defence more than once, and NOW you're
noticing the moronic dumbfuck he is? (Oh, wait, maybe it's because he
dissed you.)
Well, we could discuss the fact that Diane and Osprey seemed to be
claiming that they have brains.
I think Diane has far more brains than Robert "Osprey" Heishman.
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Larry
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27 Nov 2003 08:08:09 PM |
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On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 19:39:21 -0500, Krisblake
<Krisblakemy2luvs@aol.com> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 17:15:58 GMT, Lawrence E. McKnight
<lawrence.delete.mcknight@sbcglobal.delete.net> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 07:55:15 -0500, Krisblake
<Krisblakemy2luvs@aol.com> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 07:34:39 -0500, "Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Diane" <Dkelley@suscom.net> wrote in message
news:vsbrebp7r53r37@corp.supernews.com...
"golddodgearies" <golddodgearies@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44e87bc2.0311191816.67d9c866@posting.google.com...
"Diane" <Dkelley@suscom.net> wrote in message
news:<vraobihtfog313@corp.supernews.com>...
Papa, I am pro-life myself, and find the ID&E procedure WHEN PERFORMED
FOR
SOCIAL REASONS unconscienable
Murder for non-social reasons is still murder, dum-dum.
gold, I WAS on your side, but you seem to have a propensity for attacking
even those who SHARE your views.
Exactly Diane, I noticed the same thing.
Oh, please! You came to his defence more than once, and NOW you're
noticing the moronic dumbfuck he is? (Oh, wait, maybe it's because he
dissed you.)
Well, we could discuss the fact that Diane and Osprey seemed to be
claiming that they have brains.
I think Diane has far more brains than Robert "Osprey" Heishman.
I think I would call that 'damning with faint praise'.
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Larry
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27 Nov 2003 11:45:28 AM |
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On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 17:15:58 GMT, Lawrence E. McKnight
<lawrence.delete.mcknight@sbcglobal.delete.net> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 07:55:15 -0500, Krisblake
<Krisblakemy2luvs@aol.com> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 07:34:39 -0500, "Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Diane" <Dkelley@suscom.net> wrote in message
news:vsbrebp7r53r37@corp.supernews.com...
"golddodgearies" <golddodgearies@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44e87bc2.0311191816.67d9c866@posting.google.com...
"Diane" <Dkelley@suscom.net> wrote in message
news:<vraobihtfog313@corp.supernews.com>...
Papa, I am pro-life myself, and find the ID&E procedure WHEN PERFORMED
FOR
SOCIAL REASONS unconscienable
Murder for non-social reasons is still murder, dum-dum.
gold, I WAS on your side, but you seem to have a propensity for attacking
even those who SHARE your views.
Exactly Diane, I noticed the same thing.
Oh, please! You came to his defence more than once, and NOW you're
noticing the moronic dumbfuck he is? (Oh, wait, maybe it's because he
dissed you.)
Well, we could discuss the fact that Diane and Osprey seemed to be
claiming that they have brains.
That's true. I notice that they say a lot of stupid crap, though. I
think it's more analogous to reflex movement after death.
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Larry
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27 Nov 2003 03:35:46 PM |
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"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 17:15:58 GMT, Lawrence E. McKnight
<lawrence.delete.mcknight@sbcglobal.delete.net> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 07:55:15 -0500, Krisblake
<Krisblakemy2luvs@aol.com> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 07:34:39 -0500, "Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Diane" <Dkelley@suscom.net> wrote in message
news:vsbrebp7r53r37@corp.supernews.com...
"golddodgearies" <golddodgearies@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44e87bc2.0311191816.67d9c866@posting.google.com...
"Diane" <Dkelley@suscom.net> wrote in message
news:<vraobihtfog313@corp.supernews.com>...
Papa, I am pro-life myself, and find the ID&E procedure WHEN
PERFORMED
FOR
SOCIAL REASONS unconscienable
Murder for non-social reasons is still murder, dum-dum.
gold, I WAS on your side, but you seem to have a propensity for
attacking
even those who SHARE your views.
Exactly Diane, I noticed the same thing.
Oh, please! You came to his defence more than once, and NOW you're
noticing the moronic dumbfuck he is? (Oh, wait, maybe it's because he
dissed you.)
Well, we could discuss the fact that Diane and Osprey seemed to be
claiming that they have brains.
That's true. I notice that they say a lot of stupid crap, though. I
think it's more analogous to reflex movement after death.
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Larry
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Well, ***** you, too, Adam. At least *I* don't turn my hatred on those who
share my views (gold). THAT is stupidity. I just state my opinion, and if
you respond with something other than rhetoric, you may just earn some
respect. It's called DEBATE, live with it.
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27 Nov 2003 03:47:30 PM |
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On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:35:46 -0500, "Diane" <Dkelley@suscom.net>
wrote:
"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:p0ecsv02238tulgv2emi9i7do0f1aeaaao@4ax.com...
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 17:15:58 GMT, Lawrence E. McKnight
<lawrence.delete.mcknight@sbcglobal.delete.net> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 07:55:15 -0500, Krisblake
<Krisblakemy2luvs@aol.com> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 07:34:39 -0500, "Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Diane" <Dkelley@suscom.net> wrote in message
news:vsbrebp7r53r37@corp.supernews.com...
"golddodgearies" <golddodgearies@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44e87bc2.0311191816.67d9c866@posting.google.com...
"Diane" <Dkelley@suscom.net> wrote in message
news:<vraobihtfog313@corp.supernews.com>...
Papa, I am pro-life myself, and find the ID&E procedure WHEN
PERFORMED
FOR
SOCIAL REASONS unconscienable
Murder for non-social reasons is still murder, dum-dum.
gold, I WAS on your side, but you seem to have a propensity for
attacking
even those who SHARE your views.
Exactly Diane, I noticed the same thing.
Oh, please! You came to his defence more than once, and NOW you're
noticing the moronic dumbfuck he is? (Oh, wait, maybe it's because he
dissed you.)
Well, we could discuss the fact that Diane and Osprey seemed to be
claiming that they have brains.
That's true. I notice that they say a lot of stupid crap, though. I
think it's more analogous to reflex movement after death.
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Larry
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Well, ***** you, too, Adam. At least *I* don't turn my hatred on those who
share my views (gold). THAT is stupidity. I just state my opinion, and if
you respond with something other than rhetoric, you may just earn some
respect. It's called DEBATE, live with it.
Well, I guess I've been told. That's just another reason why my
statement stands true, Diane.
You've already shown you don't want debate - you, Bobby, golddodge,
and a raft of others. Don't get whiny now because I refuse to make
nice after you prove that you can't make a point. You don't
automatically get respect, you earn it - and you've not been trying
very hard, so don't ***** and moan when you don't get any.
I'll treat anyone with respect right up until they resort to
name-calling or other crap, and then why would I bother? See Bobby's
long history for an example. He's WAY past redemption.
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"The state has no place in the bedrooms of the nation."
-Pierre Trudeau, 1967
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27 Nov 2003 07:10:29 PM |
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"Diane" <Dkelley@suscom.net> wrote in message news:<vsbrebp7r53r37@corp.supernews.com>...
"golddodgearies" <golddodgearies@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44e87bc2.0311191816.67d9c866@posting.google.com...
"Diane" <Dkelley@suscom.net> wrote in message
news:<vraobihtfog313@corp.supernews.com>...
Papa, I am pro-life myself, and find the ID&E procedure WHEN PERFORMED
FOR
SOCIAL REASONS unconscienable
Murder for non-social reasons is still murder, dum-dum.
gold, I WAS on your side, but you seem to have a propensity for attacking
even those who SHARE your views. It makes those of us who actually have a
brain LOOK babd, and makes you look like a troll.
Now, to the statement. How is it murder if the baby is going to die seconds
after leaving the womb anyway, or if it's ALREADY DEAD? Those are the
reasons I see as being justifiable ones for abortion. Keep your facts
straight, dummy.
Killing innocent children directly and intentionally is murder,
dum-dum. There's no 'Diane exception'.
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