Science > Abortion > Pictures Show Babies Smile & Cry In The Womb Before Greedy Abortion Docs Murder Them!
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"Rainer Wolfcastle" |
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13 Sep 2003 05:58:26 PM |
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Pictures Show Babies Smile & Cry In The Womb Before Greedy Abortion Docs Murder Them! |
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-12773312,00.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/medicine/story/0,11381,1041287,00.html
Those money hungry abortion docs and abortion clinic owners must have their new BMW.
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| User: "Pat Winstanley" |
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| Title: Re: Pictures Show Babies Smile & Cry In The Womb Before Greedy Abortion Docs Murder Them! |
28 Sep 2003 11:45:00 PM |
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In article <vnet8d7g3eeu0e@corp.supernews.com>,
says...
Bear in mind, that we do not toss the bodies of our dead children into
the trash. This alone makes it difficult to argue that a zygote is a
human being.
And, do we toss human zygotes in the trash?
Most sexually active women probably do so quite regularly as part of
their normal menstrual cycle.
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| User: "lifsabsurd" |
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| Title: Re: Pictures Show Babies Smile & Cry In The Womb Before Greedy Abortion Docs Murder Them! |
04 Oct 2003 06:19:18 AM |
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"Pat Winstanley" <wallopcods2003@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.19e1c92a2dfff48198b043@News.CIS.DFN.DE...
In article <vnet8d7g3eeu0e@corp.supernews.com>,
says...
Bear in mind, that we do not toss the bodies of our dead children into
the trash. This alone makes it difficult to argue that a zygote is a
human being.
And, do we toss human zygotes in the trash?
Most sexually active women probably do so quite regularly as part of
their normal menstrual cycle.
If a spontaneous abortion occurs, it is an act of nature, biology, or God.
It is not a willful killing. Furthermore, under these circumstances, the
female will have no way of knowing that a zygote existed.
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| User: "Pat Winstanley" |
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| Title: Re: Pictures Show Babies Smile & Cry In The Womb Before Greedy Abortion Docs Murder Them! |
04 Oct 2003 02:28:11 PM |
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In article <vntb5qghhlsu99@corp.supernews.com>,
says...
Subject: Re: Pictures Show Babies Smile & Cry In The Womb Before Greedy Abortion Docs Murder Them!
From: "lifsabsurd" < >
Newsgroups: talk.abortion, alt.abortion, alt.politics.bush, alt.politics.clinton, alt.rush-limbaugh
"Pat Winstanley" <wallopcods2003@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.19e1c92a2dfff48198b043@News.CIS.DFN.DE...
In article <vnet8d7g3eeu0e@corp.supernews.com>,
says...
Bear in mind, that we do not toss the bodies of our dead children into
the trash. This alone makes it difficult to argue that a zygote is a
human being.
And, do we toss human zygotes in the trash?
Most sexually active women probably do so quite regularly as part of
their normal menstrual cycle.
If a spontaneous abortion occurs, it is an act of nature, biology, or God.
Therefore nature or a god of some description is deliberately killing
the embryo/foetus according to you.
The idea of a god deliberately killing certainly isn't new - most
legends about gods involve the gods as perpetrators of mass murder!
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| User: "Penny Nickels" |
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| Title: Re: Pictures Show Babies Smile & Cry In The Womb Before Greedy Abortion Docs Murder Them! |
10 Dec 2003 06:51:18 PM |
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"Pat Winstanley" <wallopcods2003@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.19e92fa3143995f498b146@News.CIS.DFN.DE...
In article <vntb5qghhlsu99@corp.supernews.com>,
says...
Subject: Re: Pictures Show Babies Smile & Cry In The Womb Before Greedy
Abortion Docs Murder Them!
From: "lifsabsurd" < >
Newsgroups: talk.abortion, alt.abortion, alt.politics.bush,
alt.politics.clinton, alt.rush-limbaugh
"Pat Winstanley" <wallopcods2003@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.19e1c92a2dfff48198b043@News.CIS.DFN.DE...
In article <vnet8d7g3eeu0e@corp.supernews.com>,
says...
Bear in mind, that we do not toss the bodies of our dead children
into
the trash. This alone makes it difficult to argue that a zygote
is a
human being.
And, do we toss human zygotes in the trash?
Most sexually active women probably do so quite regularly as part of
their normal menstrual cycle.
If a spontaneous abortion occurs, it is an act of nature, biology, or
God.
Therefore nature or a god of some description is deliberately killing
the embryo/foetus according to you.
The idea of a god deliberately killing certainly isn't new - most
legends about gods involve the gods as perpetrators of mass murder!
It a matter of equality. Is killing a cat murder or even a chimpanzee, our
nearest kin. Maybe to another chimp it's murder, but not to humans.
These gods may look upon killing or other gods as murder, but not
humans. These gods may have the same low esteem of humans as we
do of mice. Killing humans might mean no more to them than us wiping
out a colony of disease carrying rats.
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| User: "basilod" |
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| Title: Re: Pictures Show Babies Smile & Cry In The Womb Before Greedy Abortion Docs Murder Them! |
10 Dec 2003 07:50:03 PM |
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And what kind of pictures do you get when those babies are delivered into
the world by the mothers who are not able/willing to support them? What
kind of humans grow out of those unwanted babies? - Do most of them become
happy and prosperous citizens? - Alas not, most of them populate the slums
(if they survive at all).
"Penny Nickels" <5cents@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:w7PBb.3925$Y83.2335@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
"Pat Winstanley" <wallopcods2003@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.19e92fa3143995f498b146@News.CIS.DFN.DE...
In article <vntb5qghhlsu99@corp.supernews.com>,
says...
Subject: Re: Pictures Show Babies Smile & Cry In The Womb Before
Greedy
Abortion Docs Murder Them!
From: "lifsabsurd" < >
Newsgroups: talk.abortion, alt.abortion, alt.politics.bush,
alt.politics.clinton, alt.rush-limbaugh
"Pat Winstanley" <wallopcods2003@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.19e1c92a2dfff48198b043@News.CIS.DFN.DE...
In article <vnet8d7g3eeu0e@corp.supernews.com>,
says...
Bear in mind, that we do not toss the bodies of our dead
children
into
the trash. This alone makes it difficult to argue that a zygote
is a
human being.
And, do we toss human zygotes in the trash?
Most sexually active women probably do so quite regularly as part of
their normal menstrual cycle.
If a spontaneous abortion occurs, it is an act of nature, biology, or
God.
Therefore nature or a god of some description is deliberately killing
the embryo/foetus according to you.
The idea of a god deliberately killing certainly isn't new - most
legends about gods involve the gods as perpetrators of mass murder!
It a matter of equality. Is killing a cat murder or even a chimpanzee, our
nearest kin. Maybe to another chimp it's murder, but not to humans.
These gods may look upon killing or other gods as murder, but not
humans. These gods may have the same low esteem of humans as we
do of mice. Killing humans might mean no more to them than us wiping
out a colony of disease carrying rats.
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| User: "amanda" |
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| Title: Re: Pictures Show Babies Smile & Cry In The Womb Before Greedy Abortion Docs Murder Them! |
11 Dec 2003 08:20:40 AM |
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"basilod" <basilod@earthlink.com> wrote in message news:<f3QBb.10336$7p2.6793@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
And what kind of pictures do you get when those babies are delivered into
the world by the mothers who are not able/willing to support them? What
kind of humans grow out of those unwanted babies? - Do most of them become
happy and prosperous citizens? - Alas not, most of them populate the slums
(if they survive at all).
The majority of abortions aren't received by poverty-level women whose
children would live in the slums. They are received by middle
income-level women who are capable of financially supporting those
babies, but who choose not to have them for other reasons. And since
abortions have been performed on a large-scale basis for only the last
40 years or so, we have thousands of years of history of individuals
who weren't necessarily "wanted" by their parents yet have grown to be
perfectly well adjusted, "happy and prosperous citizens," to use your
own words. How on earth could you make such a silly claim?
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| User: "Dorothy" |
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11 Dec 2003 09:17:55 AM |
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"amanda" <thewellmans@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:b8870c2b.0312110620.7bb8185d@posting.google.com...
"basilod" <basilod@earthlink.com> wrote in message
news:<f3QBb.10336$7p2.6793@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
And what kind of pictures do you get when those babies are delivered
into
the world by the mothers who are not able/willing to support them? What
kind of humans grow out of those unwanted babies? - Do most of them
become
happy and prosperous citizens? - Alas not, most of them populate the
slums
(if they survive at all).
The majority of abortions aren't received by poverty-level women whose
children would live in the slums. They are received by middle
income-level women who are capable of financially supporting those
babies, but who choose not to have them for other reasons. And since
abortions have been performed on a large-scale basis for only the last
40 years or so, we have thousands of years of history of individuals
who weren't necessarily "wanted" by their parents yet have grown to be
perfectly well adjusted, "happy and prosperous citizens," to use your
own words. How on earth could you make such a silly claim?
How else could they sell abortions by the million except by using the --poor
innocent Nellie, destroyed by the mustached blackguard male, her family
having turned on her, having no place to go, needing to sleep in the woods
by the small fire she created by picking up sticks, that is until
superwoman, Margaret Sanger, saved her from the railroad tracks where she
laid down in desperation--plot. Another version of the poor Nellie plot,
done by pro-aborts at their public meetings by someone reading a script, has
Nellie going thru the tears and terrors of an illegal abortion at the hands
of an incompetent stranger who she meets at the back door of a motel, having
been taken there by the underground abortion railroad. When it's well done
by someone from the local drama club, it can really pull tears. Then again
it should...the script has been polished for thirty plus years.
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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| Title: Re: Pictures Show Babies Smile & Cry In The Womb Before Greedy Abortion Docs Murder Them! |
14 Dec 2003 05:28:20 PM |
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"Dorothy" <Zuukie@Comcast_nospam_.net> wrote in
news:DU%Bb.310242$Dw6.1043881@attbi_s02:
How else could they sell abortions
what do your blatant lies have to do with "abortions?"
"You are so funny with your pretend overblown sense of
righteousness about whether you dislike snipped posts."
Dorothy" <Zuukie@Comcast_nospam_.net>
news:r6SCb.539670$Tr4.1473246@attbi_s03:
"you are blatantly lying.
as proof of my statement, i challenge you to repost
one article in which i made such a complaint. remember
now, i have been posting in talk.abortion since is was
created.
i assert to all readers that you will not repost such
an article because none exists, not a single one.
have a nice day, liar."
-"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com>
news:Xns94514C1F82F2Ckeegannycaprrcom@24.24.2.166:
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14 Dec 2003 06:48:38 PM |
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"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9451BBE64BC08keegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4...
"Dorothy" <Zuukie@Comcast_nospam_.net> wrote in
news:DU%Bb.310242$Dw6.1043881@attbi_s02:
How else could they sell abortions
what do your blatant lies have to do with "abortions?"
"You are so funny with your pretend overblown sense of
righteousness about whether you dislike snipped posts."
Dorothy" <Zuukie@Comcast_nospam_.net>
news:r6SCb.539670$Tr4.1473246@attbi_s03:
"you are blatantly lying.
as proof of my statement, i challenge you to repost
one article in which i made such a complaint. remember
now, i have been posting in talk.abortion since is was
created.
i assert to all readers that you will not repost such
an article because none exists, not a single one.
have a nice day, liar."
-"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com>
news:Xns94514C1F82F2Ckeegannycaprrcom@24.24.2.166:
And the hissyfit continues. Or is it tactic #2?
I think we are on Keegan's hissyfit post #36. Same song, 36th verse.
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| User: "Pat Winstanley" |
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12 Dec 2003 11:26:52 AM |
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In article <b8870c2b.0312110620.7bb8185d@posting.google.com>,
thewellmans@yahoo.com says...
And since
abortions have been performed on a large-scale basis for only the last
40 years or so,
False.
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| User: "HateFeminism" |
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| Title: Re: Pictures Show Babies Smile & Cry In The Womb Before Greedy AbortionDocs Murder Them! |
13 Dec 2003 05:30:56 PM |
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Pat Winstanley wrote:
In article <b8870c2b.0312110620.7bb8185d@posting.google.com>,
thewellmans@yahoo.com says...
And since
abortions have been performed on a large-scale basis for only the last
40 years or so,
False.
Yeah, more like 30 years.
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| User: "Bert Bishop" |
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15 Dec 2003 08:48:42 AM |
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HateFeminism wrote:
Pat Winstanley wrote:
In article <b8870c2b.0312110620.7bb8185d@posting.google.com>,
thewellmans@yahoo.com says...
And since
abortions have been performed on a large-scale basis for only the last
40 years or so,
False.
Yeah, more like 30 years.
More like several thousand years. At least several hundred. Best
estimates of abortion numbers at the turn of the 20th centrury give
abortion rates in the United States higher than they are now. Guesses
at abortion rates just prior to Roe-v-Wade suggest abortion rates just
below what they were in the years following it.
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| User: "revolutionarian" |
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17 Dec 2003 06:39:46 AM |
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Unborn babies are not responsible for the problems they cause, but
nobody can deny a womans right to defend herself from them. Any issues
beyond that is just conversation.
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| User: "Bert Bishop" |
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17 Dec 2003 08:50:25 AM |
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revolutionarian wrote:
Unborn babies are not responsible for the problems they cause, but
nobody can deny a womans right to defend herself from them. Any issues
beyond that is just conversation.
Indeed! The issue is just how the laws restricting abortion should be
written. But there are subtleties.
The "pro-life" were arguing that the court decision which makes your
point issued in an age of many more abortions than were happening
before. The fact that laws to generally prohibit abotions do not have
their intended effect (i.e. of reducing abortions) strengthens the
argument for preserving the right revolutionarian espouses.
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| User: "Bert Bishop" |
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| Title: Re: Pictures Show Babies Smile & Cry In The Womb Before Greedy AbortionDocs Murder Them! |
11 Dec 2003 01:32:25 PM |
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NOTE: Newsgroups trimmed.
amanda wrote:
"basilod" <basilod@earthlink.com> wrote in message news:<f3QBb.10336$7p2.6793@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
And what kind of pictures do you get when those babies are delivered into
the world by the mothers who are not able/willing to support them? What
kind of humans grow out of those unwanted babies? - Do most of them become
happy and prosperous citizens? - Alas not, most of them populate the slums
(if they survive at all).
The majority of abortions aren't received by poverty-level women whose
children would live in the slums. They are received by middle
income-level women who are capable of financially supporting those
babies, but who choose not to have them for other reasons. And since
abortions have been performed on a large-scale basis for only the last
40 years or so, we have thousands of years of history of individuals
who weren't necessarily "wanted" by their parents yet have grown to be
perfectly well adjusted, "happy and prosperous citizens," to use your
own words. How on earth could you make such a silly claim?
Abortions have been performed on a large-scale basis for much more than
the last 40 years or so. The estimates for abortions in the
pre-Roe-v-Wade years run from 200,000 to 1,200,000 in the United States
alone. The big difference that Roe v Wade brought about was to make
more public abortions which otherwise would have been done anyway.
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| User: "Mizzyandrea" |
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11 Dec 2003 01:52:45 PM |
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Abortions have been performed on a large-scale basis for much more than
the last 40 years or so. The estimates for abortions in the
pre-Roe-v-Wade years run from 200,000 to 1,200,000 in the United States
alone. The big difference that Roe v Wade brought about was to make
more public abortions which otherwise would have been done anyway.
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Prior to Roe, a rich would could always find a doc who could be pur$uaded to
break the law.
A smart woman could always figure out a way herself.
...........it was the poor women who would let boyfriends punch them in the
abodomen, hoping to bring about abortions..........or jump off roofs........or
drink a gallon of vodka and attempt to inject chlorox into their wombs.......
it was the poor women who died trying out potions and what not.....
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| User: "Mizzyandrea" |
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11 Dec 2003 02:01:58 PM |
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The majority of abortions aren't received by poverty-level women whose
children would live in the slums. They are received by middle
income-level women who are capable of financially supporting those
babies, but who choose not to have them for other reasons. And since
abortions have been performed on a large-scale basis for only the last
40 years or so, we have thousands of years of history of individuals
who weren't necessarily "wanted" by their parents yet have grown to be
perfectly well adjusted, "happy and prosperous citizens," to use your
own words. How on earth could you make such a silly claim?
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So what? A woman does not owe her body to anyone and there is no cosmic
requirement to gestate.
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11 Dec 2003 07:50:39 AM |
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And of course, *you* are the one to make that decision becuase
*you*know best??
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"The multicultural project will never fully succeed if 'diversity'
is defined as one's own preferred ideologies and political groups."
--Richard E. Redding, "Grappling With Diverse Conceptions of Diversity,"
American Psychologist, April 2002, p. 301.
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| User: "Pat Winstanley" |
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| Title: Re: Pictures Show Babies Smile & Cry In The Womb Before Greedy Abortion Docs Murder Them! |
10 Dec 2003 07:31:27 PM |
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In article <w7PBb.3925$Y83.2335@bignews2.bellsouth.net>,
5cents@bellsouth.net says...
The idea of a god deliberately killing certainly isn't new - most
legends about gods involve the gods as perpetrators of mass murder!
It a matter of equality. Is killing a cat murder or even a chimpanzee, our
nearest kin. Maybe to another chimp it's murder, but not to humans.
These gods may look upon killing or other gods as murder, but not
humans. These gods may have the same low esteem of humans as we
do of mice. Killing humans might mean no more to them than us wiping
out a colony of disease carrying rats.
Is killing a live, human sperm, or live, human ovum, or live, human
embryo... "murder"?
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| User: "HateFeminism" |
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| Title: Re: Pictures Show Babies Smile & Cry In The Womb Before Greedy AbortionDocs Murder Them! |
11 Dec 2003 05:02:39 AM |
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Pat Winstanley wrote:
In article <w7PBb.3925$Y83.2335@bignews2.bellsouth.net>,
5cents@bellsouth.net says...
The idea of a god deliberately killing certainly isn't new - most
legends about gods involve the gods as perpetrators of mass murder!
It a matter of equality. Is killing a cat murder or even a chimpanzee, our
nearest kin. Maybe to another chimp it's murder, but not to humans.
These gods may look upon killing or other gods as murder, but not
humans. These gods may have the same low esteem of humans as we
do of mice. Killing humans might mean no more to them than us wiping
out a colony of disease carrying rats.
Is killing a live, human sperm, or live, human ovum, or live, human
embryo... "murder"?
Why do you not see any difference between sperm and individual members of
the human species? Afterall, you find such a huge difference between a
fetus before and after birth...
The pro-abortion radical is too illogical to ever understand... Haha.
Stupid feminist *****.
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| User: "Mustardismypal" |
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| Title: Re: Pictures Show Babies Smile & Cry In The Womb Before Greedy Abortion |
12 Dec 2003 08:02:53 PM |
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The pro-abortion radical is too illogical to ever understand... Haha.
Stupid feminist *****.
whats the matter?get turned by your plastic 'date' again?
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| User: "golddodgearies" |
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| Title: Re: Pictures Show Babies Smile & Cry In The Womb Before Greedy Abortion Docs Murder Them! |
14 Dec 2003 10:30:15 PM |
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HateFeminism <feminists.are.bitches@now.org> wrote in message news:<3FD84ECF.D9414314@now.org>...
Pat Winstanley wrote:
Is killing a live, human sperm, or live, human ovum, or live, human
embryo... "murder"?
Why do you not see any difference between sperm and individual members of
the human species?
They do. But they're liars.
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| User: "Craig Chilton" |
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| Title: Re: Pictures Show Babies Smile & Cry In The Womb Before Greedy Abortion Docs Murder Them! |
11 Dec 2003 08:02:32 AM |
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On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 00:02:39 +1300,
"Hate Feminism" [<Ignorance-S-Me@Bigotry.org>] wrote:
Pat Winstanley wrote:
Is killing a live, human sperm, or live, human ovum,
or live, human embryo... "murder"?
Why do you not see any difference between sperm and
individual members of the human species? Afterall, you
find such a huge difference between a fetus before and
after birth...
Probably because -- unlike you -- SHE is intelligent enough to
recognize the fact that ALL gametes... *just* like the other three
stages of the reproductive process... are living, human, and unique
*potential* people. (Which Anti-Choice ignoramuses look the other
way about, as *men* electively abort 1,000,000,000,000,000+ of
them every single day, worldwide. AND -- that reproductive-
process entities are not people. Both according to the Bible and
the law -- PERSONHOOD begins at birth. Along with defensibility
and rights.
The pro-abortion radical is too illogical to ever understand...
There's no such thing as a "proabortion" person... much less
a "radical" one. Sensible and fair-minded Pro-CHOICERS vastly
outnumber pathetic bigots like you, however.
Haha.
(Your maniacal laugh, no doubt?)
Stupid feminist *****.
Nope. Not in the least. Try, "Intelligent, fair-minded,
compassionate, self-assured and sensible woman," and
THEN you'd be *correct*. YOU are the *stupid* one.
But then, what more can we expect from a nut case
who is SO stupid, he actually ADMITS to being a hateful
bigot in *every* one of his posts, via the very moronic
alias that he, *himself*, chooses to identify himself with.
What a loon!
But... THANKS for this ADDITIONAL proof of just *how*
mindless and hateful Anti-Choicers can be. Every instance
of that is just one more nail in the Anti-Choice coffin as it
slides down a greased chute to its well-deserved destiny:
extinction.
-- Craig Chilton
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| Title: Re: Pictures Show Babies Smile & Cry In The Womb Before Greedy Abortion Docs Murder Them! |
11 Dec 2003 08:39:08 AM |
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how the abortion topic is shaping-up in the newsgroups [updated December 01]
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[1] talk.abortion
[2] alt.abortion
[3] alt.abortion.inequity
[4] alt.support.abortion.moderated
[5] misc.activism.progressive
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| Title: Re: Pictures Show Babies Smile & Cry In The Womb Before Greedy Abortion Docs Murder Them! |
04 Oct 2003 06:20:48 AM |
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On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 06:19:18 -0500, "lifsabsurd"
<> wrote:
"Pat Winstanley" <wallopcods2003@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.19e1c92a2dfff48198b043@News.CIS.DFN.DE...
In article <vnet8d7g3eeu0e@corp.supernews.com>,
says...
Bear in mind, that we do not toss the bodies of our dead children into
the trash. This alone makes it difficult to argue that a zygote is a
human being.
And, do we toss human zygotes in the trash?
Most sexually active women probably do so quite regularly as part of
their normal menstrual cycle.
If a spontaneous abortion occurs, it is an act of nature, biology, or God.
It is not a willful killing.
They are all knowing and willing particpants of these murderers.
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| User: "Paul Anderson" |
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| Title: Re: Pictures Show Babies Smile & Cry In The Womb Before Greedy Abortion Docs Murder Them! |
04 Oct 2003 10:56:30 AM |
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On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 06:19:18 -0500, "lifsabsurd"
<> wrote:
"Pat Winstanley" <wallopcods2003@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.19e1c92a2dfff48198b043@News.CIS.DFN.DE...
In article <vnet8d7g3eeu0e@corp.supernews.com>,
says...
Bear in mind, that we do not toss the bodies of our dead children into
the trash. This alone makes it difficult to argue that a zygote is a
human being.
And, do we toss human zygotes in the trash?
Most sexually active women probably do so quite regularly as part of
their normal menstrual cycle.
If a spontaneous abortion occurs, it is an act of nature, biology, or God.
It is not a willful killing.
Since we do not toss the bodies of people who have died of cancer or
heart attacks into the trash, this is a non-sequitor. Posted merely
because you realize that the zygote is *not* a human being no matter
what you claim.
Furthermore, under these circumstances, the
female will have no way of knowing that a zygote existed.
If there is a suspicion of a child lost in the woods we search until
we find that child, dead or alive, or otherwise have enough evidence
that no child is lost in the woods.
Any month that a woman has sex there is a significant chance that
there is a 'child' (by your 'standards' ) exists and may be trapped on
her Kotex or Tampon, slowly dying or already dead. Checking would be
trivial. AFAIK, no one does. Not even the Pro-Lifers wha claim to
believe that they are tossing the corpses of their children into the
trash.
In this case your counter argument is a lie -- it would be quite easy
for the woman to search for a suspected child. No one does, because
no one believes that the zygote is a human being.
It is difficult to believe the Pro-Life rhetoric when their actions
show that they do not believe it themselves.
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| User: "Lawrence E. McKnight" |
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| Title: Re: Pictures Show Babies Smile & Cry In The Womb Before Greedy Abortion Docs Murder Them! |
29 Sep 2003 06:35:40 PM |
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On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 18:55:52 -0500, "lifsabsurd"
<lifsabsurd@charter.net> wrote:
"Paul Anderson" <elcoyote@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:3f74ebf5.692111243@news.sf.sbcglobal.net...
On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 19:49:18 -0500, "lifsabsurd"
<lifsabsurd@charter.net> wrote:
"Paul Anderson" <elcoyote@netzero.net> wrote....
I am not pro-abortion. I woudl cheerfully support a total abortion
ban *IF* I were to be given justification for such. Which involves
not lying about the facts and not ignoring the humanity of the woman
involved.
Then perhaps you should follow the arguments in this thread in which I
purport to show that the human zygote is a human being.....
Perhaps you overlooked where I require a lack of stupid LIES as the
argument to ban abortion. A human being is that which is born, human,
and alive -- this is in agreement with language, religion, tradition
and law. Before you can show that the human zygote is a human being
you first need to change the definition of human being.
Bear in mind, that we do not toss the bodies of our dead children into
the trash. This alone makes it difficult to argue that a zygote is a
human being.
And, do we toss human zygotes in the trash? If anyone does, they should be
showing more respect. But this is hardly an argument that the human zygote
is not a human being. Nor is outdated conventional belief, based on a
misunderstanding of current science. If so, then the sun orbits the earth.
Probably millions a month get thrown in the trash (or flushed).
Larry
(this space unintentionally left blank .....
make obvious deletion for email
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| User: "Paul Anderson" |
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| Title: Re: Pictures Show Babies Smile & Cry In The Womb Before Greedy Abortion Docs Murder Them! |
29 Sep 2003 12:40:11 AM |
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On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 18:55:52 -0500, "lifsabsurd"
<lifsabsurd@charter.net> wrote:
"Paul Anderson" <elcoyote@netzero.net> wrote
<lifsabsurd@charter.net> wrote:
"Paul Anderson" <elcoyote@netzero.net> wrote....
I am not pro-abortion. I woudl cheerfully support a total abortion
ban *IF* I were to be given justification for such. Which involves
not lying about the facts and not ignoring the humanity of the woman
involved.
Then perhaps you should follow the arguments in this thread in which I
purport to show that the human zygote is a human being.....
Perhaps you overlooked where I require a lack of stupid LIES as the
argument to ban abortion. A human being is that which is born, human,
and alive -- this is in agreement with language, religion, tradition
and law. Before you can show that the human zygote is a human being
you first need to change the definition of human being.
Bear in mind, that we do not toss the bodies of our dead children into
the trash. This alone makes it difficult to argue that a zygote is a
human being.
And, do we toss human zygotes in the trash?....
Pro-Lifers do. Now if you would like to post a new definition for 'a
human being'......
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| User: "lifsabsurd" |
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| Title: Re: Pictures Show Babies Smile & Cry In The Womb Before Greedy Abortion Docs Murder Them! |
04 Oct 2003 06:21:48 AM |
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"Paul Anderson" <elcoyote@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:3f77c520.878771987@news.sf.sbcglobal.net...
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 18:55:52 -0500, "lifsabsurd"
<lifsabsurd@charter.net> wrote:
"Paul Anderson" <elcoyote@netzero.net> wrote
<lifsabsurd@charter.net> wrote:
"Paul Anderson" <elcoyote@netzero.net> wrote....
I am not pro-abortion. I woudl cheerfully support a total abortion
ban *IF* I were to be given justification for such. Which involves
not lying about the facts and not ignoring the humanity of the woman
involved.
Then perhaps you should follow the arguments in this thread in which I
purport to show that the human zygote is a human being.....
Perhaps you overlooked where I require a lack of stupid LIES as the
argument to ban abortion. A human being is that which is born, human,
and alive -- this is in agreement with language, religion, tradition
and law. Before you can show that the human zygote is a human being
you first need to change the definition of human being.
Bear in mind, that we do not toss the bodies of our dead children into
the trash. This alone makes it difficult to argue that a zygote is a
human being.
And, do we toss human zygotes in the trash?....
Pro-Lifers do. Now if you would like to post a new definition for 'a
human being'......
The definition I posted is biologically accurate. Not surprising that you
don't understand it. I mean, someone who thinks that sperm are organisms.
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| User: "Krisblake" |
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| Title: Re: Pictures Show Babies Smile & Cry In The Womb Before Greedy Abortion Docs Murder Them! |
04 Oct 2003 06:33:33 AM |
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On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 06:21:48 -0500, "lifsabsurd"
<lifsabsurd@charter.net> wrote:
"Paul Anderson" <elcoyote@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:3f77c520.878771987@news.sf.sbcglobal.net...
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 18:55:52 -0500, "lifsabsurd"
<lifsabsurd@charter.net> wrote:
"Paul Anderson" <elcoyote@netzero.net> wrote
<lifsabsurd@charter.net> wrote:
"Paul Anderson" <elcoyote@netzero.net> wrote....
I am not pro-abortion. I woudl cheerfully support a total abortion
ban *IF* I were to be given justification for such. Which involves
not lying about the facts and not ignoring the humanity of the woman
involved.
Then perhaps you should follow the arguments in this thread in which I
purport to show that the human zygote is a human being.....
Perhaps you overlooked where I require a lack of stupid LIES as the
argument to ban abortion. A human being is that which is born, human,
and alive -- this is in agreement with language, religion, tradition
and law. Before you can show that the human zygote is a human being
you first need to change the definition of human being.
Bear in mind, that we do not toss the bodies of our dead children into
the trash. This alone makes it difficult to argue that a zygote is a
human being.
And, do we toss human zygotes in the trash?....
Pro-Lifers do. Now if you would like to post a new definition for 'a
human being'......
The definition I posted is biologically accurate.
'Human Being' is a status granted for those born, alive. Nothing more.
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