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User:	"Rev. Donald Spitz"
Date:	08 Mar 2005 09:49:53 AM
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Planned Parenthood, Others, Caught on Tape Protecting Child Rapists
Kansas Attorney General Conducts Criminal Investigation--Other AGs =
Request Life Dynamics Data for Their States
To: National Desk
Contact: Rita Lanning, 940-380-8800
DENTON, Tx., March 8 /Christian Wire Service/ -- During a two-year =
investigation, American family planning clinics were caught on tape =
covering up what they believed was the statutory rape of a 13-year-old =
girl. As part of the investigation, completed in 2002, Life Dynamics =
Incorporated of Denton, Texas recorded over 800 calls to Planned =
Parenthood and National Abortion Federation facilities across America. =
The female caller portrayed a 13-year-old girl who was pregnant by an =
adult and wanted an abortion in order to hide the illegal sexual =
relationship from her parents and the authorities. On the tapes, many of =
the clinic workers are heard telling the caller that this situation was =
unlawful and that they were legally mandated to report it to the state. =
However, even after acknowledging this, 91 percent of the 800 facilities =
contacted agreed to illegally conceal it. Representatives of these =
organizations--often operating on tax dollars--routinely instructed a =
child who they believed to be a sexual assault victim to:=20
-- lie about or conceal her age or the age of the man who impregnated =
her
-- participate in illegal activity in order to circumvent the state's =
parental notification law
-- use a fictitious name, phone number or address when she came to the =
facility
-- keep the situation hidden by altering what she would say when she =
came to the facility
-- be more careful about what information she gave out and to whom
Many clinic representatives told the caller that they deal with this =
situation "all the time" and that the advice they were giving her is the =
way they normally handle it. "The tapes from our investigation clearly =
prove that these people are running a pedophile protection racket," said =
Life Dynamics President, Mark Crutcher. "America's family planning =
clinics are little more than corporate accomplices for sexual predators =
who target children." Calling the results of the survey sickening, =
Crutcher also noted that this cover-up is part of a national epidemic of =
older men sexually preying on underage girls. "The most reliable current =
data shows that among girls 15 or younger who get pregnant, between 60 =
and 80 percent are impregnated by adults, and now we know who's making =
big money off the cover-up."=20
Now, Kansas abortion clinics are not only refusing to cooperate with =
Attorney General Phil Kline's investigation into this issue, =
representatives have even stated in published reports that they will not =
comply with the state's mandatory reporting laws regarding the sexual =
abuse of children. Since this showdown recently broke into the national =
media, ten other attorneys general have requested data from the Life =
Dynamics investigation. Crutcher says, "Stay tuned. Mr. Kline's criminal =
investigation is just the beginning. It may have been a long time in =
coming, but the fur is starting to fly."=20
For Additional Information: ChildPredators.com
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because of my sins. I believe you died on the cross to take away my sins =
and to take me to heaven. Jesus, I ask you now to come into my heart and =
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User: "Lazarus"
Title: Re: Planned Parenthood, Others, Caught on Tape Protecting Child Rapists	08 Mar 2005 10:23:09 AM

"Rev. Donald Spitz" <Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com> wrote...

Planned Parenthood, Others, Caught on Tape Protecting Child Rapists
Kansas Attorney General Conducts Criminal Investigation--Other AGs
Request Life Dynamics Data for Their States

DENTON, Tx., March 8 /Christian Wire Service/ -- During a two-year
investigation, American family planning clinics were caught on tape
covering up what they believed was the statutory rape of
a 13-year-old girl.

Cover-up of *what*? Law enforcement officials who took the trouble to
investigate Lie Dynamics' claims found them to be completely bogus. Lie
Dynamics had women call Planned Parenthood clinics and pretend to be
underage pregnant teenagers. Planned Parenthood staff take calls from all
sorts of people - threatening calls from angry pro-lifers, crank calls from
mischief makers, joke calls from teenage girls, etc. It is impossible for a
staff member to know if the caller is sincere just from what she hears over
the phone.
In every recorded instance, THE CALLER DID NOT GIVE HER CORRECT NAME OR
PHONE NUMBER. The staff members who fielded these calls were therefore
under no obligation to report the matter to the authorities or to even take
the call seriously. The "underage teenage girl" and the "22-year old
boyfriend" did not exist. There was no crime, and nothing to report.
Why do you lie and lie and LIE, Donny-Boy?
.

User: "George"
Title: Re: Planned Parenthood, Others, Caught on Tape Protecting Child Rapists	08 Mar 2005 10:37:22 AM

Lebanese Shiite Muslim guerrilla group Hezbollah, or Party of God:
Rev. Donald Spitz Army of God:
Both full of hatred and destruction.
God sent 19 Muslims to destroy the WTC and the Pentagon because those 19
terrorists were extremely religious men who believe God wants to destroy
America.
Reverend Donald Spitz is another God drenched maniac who is following God's
command based on his personal maniacal beliefs.
Notice Spitz only follows the commands in the Bible that he chooses to
follow and ignores "God's commands" that he doesn't feel like.
Evil religious fanatics are killing Americans and Iraqis in Iraq because
they believe God wants this.
God keep us from these driven maniacs.
"Lazarus" <no.spam@this.address> wrote in message
news:1110298794.c4ded085c6a8a8d9cc930e4f2ef3ceb7@teranews...

"Rev. Donald Spitz" <Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com> wrote...

Cover-up of *what*? Law enforcement officials who took the trouble to
investigate Lie Dynamics' claims found them to be completely bogus. Lie
Dynamics had women call Planned Parenthood clinics and pretend to be
underage pregnant teenagers. Planned Parenthood staff take calls from all
sorts of people - threatening calls from angry pro-lifers, crank calls
from
mischief makers, joke calls from teenage girls, etc. It is impossible for
a
staff member to know if the caller is sincere just from what she hears
over
the phone.

In every recorded instance, THE CALLER DID NOT GIVE HER CORRECT NAME OR
PHONE NUMBER. The staff members who fielded these calls were therefore
under no obligation to report the matter to the authorities or to even
take
the call seriously. The "underage teenage girl" and the "22-year old
boyfriend" did not exist. There was no crime, and nothing to report.

Why do you lie and lie and LIE, Donny-Boy?

User: "The other Donald"
Title: Re: Planned Parenthood, Others, Caught on Tape Protecting Child Rapists	08 Mar 2005 12:45:04 PM

"Lazarus" <no.spam@this.address> wrote in message
news:1110298794.c4ded085c6a8a8d9cc930e4f2ef3ceb7@teranews...

"Rev. Donald Spitz" <Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com> wrote...

from

mischief makers, joke calls from teenage girls, etc. It is impossible for

staff member to know if the caller is sincere just from what she hears

over

the phone.

Not only has Spits had this explained to him long ago to the Nth degree, he
is such a disingenuous piece of ***** that he conveniently left out the full
date. It was 1997, and, as you noted, it was investigated by authorities and
determined to be bogus, unfounded claims with a heavy dose of embellishment.
We should expect nothing less from America-hating, Fundy-terrorists like
Reverent Shitz that disgrace decent Christians when they promote their
agenda of deception and idiocy.

In every recorded instance, THE CALLER DID NOT GIVE HER CORRECT NAME OR
PHONE NUMBER. The staff members who fielded these calls were therefore
under no obligation to report the matter to the authorities or to even

take

the call seriously. The "underage teenage girl" and the "22-year old
boyfriend" did not exist. There was no crime, and nothing to report.

Why do you lie and lie and LIE, Donny-Boy?

Because the truth doesn't conform to his incompetence. Human Filth like
"Army of God(tm)" only deserve disdain and disgust like the maggots they
are.
--
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
Stork Pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
(tm) 2004 G.O.P. All names used without permission from the copyright
holder. ***** 'em.
.

User: "Logical Barbarian"
Title: Re: Planned Parenthood, Others, Caught on Tape Protecting Child Rapists	09 Mar 2005 04:01:14 PM

The other Donald wrote"

In every recorded instance, THE CALLER DID NOT GIVE HER CORRECT NAME

PHONE NUMBER. The staff members who fielded these calls were

therefore

under no obligation to report the matter to the authorities or to

even

take
the call seriously. The "underage teenage girl" and the "22-year old
boyfriend" did not exist. There was no crime, and nothing to report.

Now I heard of a man who was convicted of soliciting sex from a child
even though the child did not exist. You side step some of the
evidence. The "underage girl" was given advise on how to break the law
and that is at the very least unethical. But ethics is not a something
that Pro-Abortion fanatics worry about is it.
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User: "The other Donald"
Title: Re: Planned Parenthood, Others, Caught on Tape Protecting Child Rapists	09 Mar 2005 05:38:50 PM

"Logical Barbarian" <kerwin_brown@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1110405296.754055.95280@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...

The other Donald wrote"

In every recorded instance, THE CALLER DID NOT GIVE HER CORRECT NAME

PHONE NUMBER. The staff members who fielded these calls were

therefore

under no obligation to report the matter to the authorities or to

even

take
the call seriously. The "underage teenage girl" and the "22-year old

boyfriend" did not exist. There was no crime, and nothing to report.

First and foremost, I did not write the quote in question.
Second, it was all a fraud. There was no crime, nor any intent to commit
one. Lucky for Life Dynamics that being a bunch of lying sacks of ***** isn't
illegal.
Third, especially with regard to #2, I find it amusing that you defend the
lies of L.D., and say that those lies are just jim-fucking-dandy, but call
PP "unethical" for not reporting a bunch of phone pranks to the police.
What's the word I'm looking for......? That's right: hypocrite.
--
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
.

User: "ouroboros rex"
Title: Re: Planned Parenthood, Others, Caught on Tape Protecting Child Rapists	08 Mar 2005 10:40:49 AM

"Lazarus" <no.spam@this.address> wrote in message
news:1110298794.c4ded085c6a8a8d9cc930e4f2ef3ceb7@teranews...

"Rev. Donald Spitz" <Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com> wrote...

Cover-up of *what*? Law enforcement officials who took the trouble to
investigate Lie Dynamics' claims found them to be completely bogus. Lie
Dynamics had women call Planned Parenthood clinics and pretend to be
underage pregnant teenagers. Planned Parenthood staff take calls from all
sorts of people - threatening calls from angry pro-lifers, crank calls
from
mischief makers, joke calls from teenage girls, etc. It is impossible for
a
staff member to know if the caller is sincere just from what she hears
over
the phone.

In every recorded instance, THE CALLER DID NOT GIVE HER CORRECT NAME OR
PHONE NUMBER. The staff members who fielded these calls were therefore
under no obligation to report the matter to the authorities or to even
take
the call seriously. The "underage teenage girl" and the "22-year old
boyfriend" did not exist. There was no crime, and nothing to report.

Why do you lie and lie and LIE, Donny-Boy?

If this is the real Donny (which I doubt), he's a liar and murderer
abettor.
.

User: "Lazarus"
Title: Re: Planned Parenthood, Others, Caught on Tape Protecting Child Rapists	08 Mar 2005 11:03:02 AM

"ouroboros rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote...

"Lazarus" <no.spam@this.address> wrote...

"Rev. Donald Spitz" <Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com> wrote...

[...]

Why do you lie and lie and LIE, Donny-Boy?

If this is the real Donny (which I doubt), he's a liar and murderer
abettor.

"Spitz" has been posting here since the mid-1990s. I'm pretty sure we are
dealing with the genuine article here. He has never gotten around to
explaining how John Salvi happened to have his unlisted phone number in his
possession at the time Salvi was arrested for shooting up two clinics.
Spitz can be funny from time to time, like the time he was bragging about
Jane Fonda converting to Christianity.
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User: "Attila"
Title: Re: Planned Parenthood, Others, Caught on Tape Protecting Child Rapists	08 Mar 2005 12:38:41 PM

On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 10:23:09 -0600, "Lazarus" <no.spam@this.address> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1110298794.c4ded085c6a8a8d9cc930e4f2ef3ceb7@teranews> wrote:

"Rev. Donald Spitz" <Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com> wrote...

Cover-up of *what*? Law enforcement officials who took the trouble to
investigate Lie Dynamics' claims found them to be completely bogus. Lie
Dynamics had women call Planned Parenthood clinics and pretend to be
underage pregnant teenagers. Planned Parenthood staff take calls from all
sorts of people - threatening calls from angry pro-lifers, crank calls from
mischief makers, joke calls from teenage girls, etc. It is impossible for a
staff member to know if the caller is sincere just from what she hears over
the phone.

In every recorded instance, THE CALLER DID NOT GIVE HER CORRECT NAME OR
PHONE NUMBER. The staff members who fielded these calls were therefore
under no obligation to report the matter to the authorities or to even take
the call seriously. The "underage teenage girl" and the "22-year old
boyfriend" did not exist. There was no crime, and nothing to report.

Why do you lie and lie and LIE, Donny-Boy?

Because if he told the truth he would have nothing to say.
How do you know Spitzie is lying? His mouth is open.
.

User: "Frank Dwyer"
Title: Re: Planned Parenthood, Others, Caught on Tape Protecting Child Rapists	08 Mar 2005 11:22:40 AM

Rev. Donald Spitz wrote:

Planned Parenthood, Others, Caught on Tape Protecting Child Rapists

I bet it just makes you want to kill them all, doesn't it?
Oh, sorry, I forgot that you're too much of a ***** to back up your own
beliefs and actually do anything yourself. You want some other idiot to
kill them so you can chant meaningless slogans while they're executed
for their crimes.
.

User: ""
Title: Re: Planned Parenthood, Others, Caught on Tape Protecting Child Rapists	09 Mar 2005 04:07:16 PM

Rev. Donald Spitz wrote:

[...]

Gee, and here I thought they were protecting the young women's rights
to privacy.
.

User: "Michael Calwell"
Title: Re: Planned Parenthood, Others, Caught on Tape Protecting Child Rapists	09 Mar 2005 01:02:58 PM

Rev. Donald Spitz wrote:
Donald,
Here in the UK we have Marie Stopes advertising and performing illegal
abortions, and the Brook Advisory (sic) clinic sending women abroad for
illegal abortions.
These people have complete contempt for human life. Why do you think
they would respect human law?
.

User: "Pat Winstanley"
Title: Re: Planned Parenthood, Others, Caught on Tape Protecting Child Rapists	09 Mar 2005 03:08:31 PM

In article <422f4c86$0$8752$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>,
michael.calwell@btopenworld.com says...

Here in the UK we have Marie Stopes advertising and performing illegal
abortions,

Liar.
.

User: "Michael Calwell"
Title: Re: Planned Parenthood, Others, Caught on Tape Protecting Child Rapists	09 Mar 2005 04:07:44 PM

Pat Winstanley wrote:

In article <422f4c86$0$8752$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>,
michael.calwell@btopenworld.com says...

Here in the UK we have Marie Stopes advertising and performing illegal
abortions,

Liar.

Yes we do. A policeman I was talking to a few days ago agreed.
Marie Stopes advertise abortion on demand. We only have abortion on
medical necessity in the UK.
.

User: "Pat Winstanley"
Title: Re: Planned Parenthood, Others, Caught on Tape Protecting Child Rapists	10 Mar 2005 02:49:39 AM

In article <422f73b0$0$8748$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>,
michael.calwell@btopenworld.com says...

Pat Winstanley wrote:

In article <422f4c86$0$8752$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>,
michael.calwell@btopenworld.com says...

Here in the UK we have Marie Stopes advertising and performing illegal
abortions,

Liar.

Yes we do. A policeman I was talking to a few days ago agreed.

Marie Stopes advertise abortion on demand. We only have abortion on
medical necessity in the UK.

Please present your proof that Maries Stopes performs illegal abortions.
You have not done so so far.
Guess what, you can't produce any such proof. You were lying... again.
.

User: "Michael Calwell"
Title: Re: Planned Parenthood, Others, Caught on Tape Protecting Child Rapists	10 Mar 2005 12:32:55 PM

Pat Winstanley wrote:

In article <422f73b0$0$8748$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>,
michael.calwell@btopenworld.com says...

Pat Winstanley wrote:

In article <422f4c86$0$8752$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>,
michael.calwell@btopenworld.com says...

Here in the UK we have Marie Stopes advertising and performing illegal
abortions,

Liar.

Yes we do. A policeman I was talking to a few days ago agreed.

Marie Stopes advertise abortion on demand. We only have abortion on
medical necessity in the UK.

Please present your proof that Maries Stopes performs illegal abortions.
You have not done so so far.

Guess what, you can't produce any such proof. You were lying... again.

I have on my desk an advertisement by Marie Stopes which reads "To
terminate a pregnancy call 0800 716 390". *****, do you want me to fax it
to you? Tell you what, go an pick up a copy of Cosmopolitan and read it
for yourself.
.

User: "Pat Winstanley"
Title: Re: Planned Parenthood, Others, Caught on Tape Protecting Child Rapists	10 Mar 2005 02:59:27 PM

In article <42309701$0$8743$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>,
michael.calwell@btopenworld.com says...

Pat Winstanley wrote:

In article <422f73b0$0$8748$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>,
michael.calwell@btopenworld.com says...

Pat Winstanley wrote:

In article <422f4c86$0$8752$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>,
michael.calwell@btopenworld.com says...

Here in the UK we have Marie Stopes advertising and performing illegal
abortions,

Liar.

Yes we do. A policeman I was talking to a few days ago agreed.

Marie Stopes advertise abortion on demand. We only have abortion on
medical necessity in the UK.

Please present your proof that Maries Stopes performs illegal abortions.
You have not done so so far.

Guess what, you can't produce any such proof. You were lying... again.

Precisely *what* illegal abortion has Marie Stopes performed?
No, I know the answer... none. You are just lying *again*.
The fact they advertise that they perform abortions is perfectly legal,
as is their performing abortions. That you try to pretend otherwise is
an utter joke.
Here... they even advertise the fact that they perform abortions
(amongst other procedures and services) on their web site... and it's
*still* not illegal!!!
http://www.mariestopes.org.uk/uk/index.htm
Abortion is *legal* in the UK!!!
You are definitely insane, Michael!
.

User: "Michael Calwell"
Title: Re: Planned Parenthood, Others, Caught on Tape Protecting Child Rapists	10 Mar 2005 02:55:26 PM

Pat Winstanley wrote:

In article <42309701$0$8743$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>,
michael.calwell@btopenworld.com says...

Pat Winstanley wrote:

In article <422f73b0$0$8748$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>,
michael.calwell@btopenworld.com says...

Pat Winstanley wrote:

In article <422f4c86$0$8752$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>,
michael.calwell@btopenworld.com says...

Here in the UK we have Marie Stopes advertising and performing illegal
abortions,

Liar.

Yes we do. A policeman I was talking to a few days ago agreed.

Marie Stopes advertise abortion on demand. We only have abortion on
medical necessity in the UK.

Please present your proof that Maries Stopes performs illegal abortions.
You have not done so so far.

Guess what, you can't produce any such proof. You were lying... again.

Precisely *what* illegal abortion has Marie Stopes performed?

No, I know the answer... none. You are just lying *again*.

The fact they advertise that they perform abortions is perfectly legal,
as is their performing abortions. That you try to pretend otherwise is
an utter joke.

Here... they even advertise the fact that they perform abortions
(amongst other procedures and services) on their web site... and it's
*still* not illegal!!!

http://www.mariestopes.org.uk/uk/index.htm

Abortion is *legal* in the UK!!!

You are definitely insane, Michael!

Maybe you should check your facts (again) Pat, before you embarrass
yourself (again).
Abortion is illegal in the UK under the 1861 Offences Against the Person
Act. Abortion remains illegal unless it is performed under the terms of
the 1967 Abortion Act:
"Which allows a legal termination of pregnancy to be carried out if two
registered medical practitioners believe in good
faith that a woman seeking a termination meets one of the following
parameters:
* the continuance of the pregnancy would involve risk to the life
of the pregnant woman greater than if the pregnancy were terminated
* the termination is necessary to prevent grave permanent injury
to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman
* the pregnancy has not exceeded its 24th week and the continuance
of the pregnancy would involve risk, greater than if the pregnancy were
terminated, of injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant
woman
* the pregnancy has not exceeded its 24th week and the continuance
of the pregnancy would involve risk, greater than if the pregnancy were
terminated, of injury to the physical or mental health of the existing
child(ren) of the family of the pregnant woman
* there is a substantial risk that if the child were born it would
suffer from such physical or mental abnormalities as to be seriously
handicapped.
In an emergency a termination may be carried out at any stage of a
pregnancy if a single registered medical practitioner is convinced in
good faith that:
* it was necessary to save the life of the woman
* it was necessary to prevent grave permanent injury to the
physical or mental health of the pregnant woman."
So we do NOT have abortion on demand in the UK. We only have abortion
on the grounds of medical necessity.
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User: "Pat Winstanley"
Title: Re: Planned Parenthood, Others, Caught on Tape Protecting Child Rapists	10 Mar 2005 04:49:20 PM

In article <4230b868$0$32603$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>,
michael.calwell@btopenworld.com says...

Abortion is *legal* in the UK!!!

You are definitely insane, Michael!

Now show where Marie Stopes has performed an illegal abortion.
You are crazy!
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User: "Sergeant America"
Title: Re: Planned Parenthood, Others, Caught on Tape Protecting Child Rapists	11 Mar 2005 10:38:31 AM

Michael Calwell wrote:

Pat Winstanley wrote:

In article <42309701$0$8743$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>,
michael.calwell@btopenworld.com says...

Pat Winstanley wrote:

In article <422f73b0$0$8748$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>,
michael.calwell@btopenworld.com says...

Pat Winstanley wrote:

In article <422f4c86$0$8752$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>,
michael.calwell@btopenworld.com says...

Here in the UK we have Marie Stopes advertising and performing illegal
abortions,

Liar.

Yes we do. A policeman I was talking to a few days ago agreed.

Marie Stopes advertise abortion on demand. We only have abortion on
medical necessity in the UK.

Please present your proof that Maries Stopes performs illegal abortions.
You have not done so so far.

Guess what, you can't produce any such proof. You were lying... again.

Precisely *what* illegal abortion has Marie Stopes performed?

No, I know the answer... none. You are just lying *again*.

The fact they advertise that they perform abortions is perfectly legal,
as is their performing abortions. That you try to pretend otherwise is
an utter joke.

Here... they even advertise the fact that they perform abortions
(amongst other procedures and services) on their web site... and it's
*still* not illegal!!!

http://www.mariestopes.org.uk/uk/index.htm

Abortion is *legal* in the UK!!!

You are definitely insane, Michael!

Maybe you should check your facts (again) Pat, before you embarrass
yourself (again).

Abortion is illegal in the UK under the 1861 Offences Against the Person
Act. Abortion remains illegal unless it is performed under the terms of
the 1967 Abortion Act:

"Which allows a legal termination of pregnancy to be carried out if two
registered medical practitioners believe in good
faith that a woman seeking a termination meets one of the following
parameters:

* the continuance of the pregnancy would involve risk to the life
of the pregnant woman greater than if the pregnancy were terminated

* the termination is necessary to prevent grave permanent injury
to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman

* the pregnancy has not exceeded its 24th week and the continuance
of the pregnancy would involve risk, greater than if the pregnancy were
terminated, of injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant
woman

* the pregnancy has not exceeded its 24th week and the continuance
of the pregnancy would involve risk, greater than if the pregnancy were
terminated, of injury to the physical or mental health of the existing
child(ren) of the family of the pregnant woman

* there is a substantial risk that if the child were born it would
suffer from such physical or mental abnormalities as to be seriously
handicapped.

In an emergency a termination may be carried out at any stage of a
pregnancy if a single registered medical practitioner is convinced in
good faith that:

* it was necessary to save the life of the woman

* it was necessary to prevent grave permanent injury to the
physical or mental health of the pregnant woman."

So we do NOT have abortion on demand in the UK. We only have abortion
on the grounds of medical necessity.

Indeed. And it's much the same in many other countries, de facto
abortion-on-demand. The law is flouted because it doesn't reflect the
dominant social conditions of the time. But it remains illegal.
To understand why they settle for this instead of changing the law to
make it legal, think of the publicity the pro-life movement would get
from being the strongest opposition to such a significant legal change
on an issue this controversial. Then would have a real fight on thier
hands. The opposition and its arguments against abortion would be
covered on the 6 o'clock news for weeks. Abortion would have never
looked so bad...
So the abortion industry can certainly avoid that kind of publicity.
Instead they settle for lying about the reasons for most abortions
knowing that the law is not enforced.
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User: "Michael Calwell"
Title: Re: Planned Parenthood, Others, Caught on Tape Protecting Child Rapists	11 Mar 2005 07:03:02 AM

Sergeant America wrote:

So we do NOT have abortion on demand in the UK. We only have abortion
on the grounds of medical necessity.

Indeed. And it's much the same in many other countries, de facto
abortion-on-demand. The law is flouted because it doesn't reflect the
dominant social conditions of the time. But it remains illegal.

To understand why they settle for this instead of changing the law to
make it legal, think of the publicity the pro-life movement would get
from being the strongest opposition to such a significant legal change
on an issue this controversial. Then would have a real fight on thier
hands. The opposition and its arguments against abortion would be
covered on the 6 o'clock news for weeks. Abortion would have never
looked so bad...

So the abortion industry can certainly avoid that kind of publicity.
Instead they settle for lying about the reasons for most abortions
knowing that the law is not enforced.

What's even more gut-wrenchingly vile about it all is that they use
patient confidentiality as a mask for their criminal activity.
I recently asked the Department of Health (DoH) here in the UK, what
proportion, or number of abortion requests were rejected on the grounds
that they did not meet the medical criteria laid out. They went away and
came back with the answer that they did not know, because such matters
would be confidential between patient and doctor.
How then, do we know that unborn children aren't being killed illegally,
I asked. They don't know. Now get this - these people can tell you how
many penicillin were distributed to children last year, but they can't
demonstrate that the abortion laws are being adhered to.
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User: "Pat Winstanley"
Title: Re: Planned Parenthood, Others, Caught on Tape Protecting Child Rapists	11 Mar 2005 08:14:11 AM

In article <42319b32$0$32620$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>,
michael.calwell@btopenworld.com says...

How then, do we know that unborn children aren't being killed illegally,
I asked. They don't know. Now get this - these people can tell you how
many penicillin were distributed to children last year, but they can't
demonstrate that the abortion laws are being adhered to.

I see you *still* cannot support your wild allegations! ;-))
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User: "Pat Winstanley"
Title: Re: Planned Parenthood, Others, Caught on Tape Protecting Child Rapists	10 Mar 2005 03:07:13 PM

In article <42309701$0$8743$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>,
michael.calwell@btopenworld.com says...

Please present your proof that Maries Stopes performs illegal abortions.
You have not done so so far.

Guess what, you can't produce any such proof. You were lying... again.

I have on my desk an advertisement by Marie Stopes which reads

========================================================
From the Marie Stopes site...
==========================================================
The UK's abortion law
Abortion is legal in the UK up to the 24th week of pregnancy. However,
if there is a substantial risk to the woman's life or if there are
foetal abnormalities there is no time limit.
To comply with the 1967 Abortion Act, two doctors must give their
consent, stating that to continue with the pregnancy would present a
risk to the physical or mental health of the woman or her existing
children.
========================================================
Precisely *where* and *when* have they performed *illegal* abortions?
Please cite the dates and places, and why the organisation has not been
convicted of performing illegal abortions.
Of course you can't. You made it up! ;-))
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User: "Michael Calwell"
Title: Re: Planned Parenthood, Others, Caught on Tape Protecting Child Rapists	10 Mar 2005 03:01:05 PM

Pat Winstanley wrote:

In article <42309701$0$8743$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>,
michael.calwell@btopenworld.com says...

Please present your proof that Maries Stopes performs illegal abortions.
You have not done so so far.

Guess what, you can't produce any such proof. You were lying... again.

I have on my desk an advertisement by Marie Stopes which reads

========================================================
From the Marie Stopes site...
==========================================================
The UK's abortion law

Abortion is legal in the UK up to the 24th week of pregnancy. However,
if there is a substantial risk to the woman's life or if there are
foetal abnormalities there is no time limit.

To comply with the 1967 Abortion Act, two doctors must give their
consent, stating that to continue with the pregnancy would present a
risk to the physical or mental health of the woman or her existing
children.
========================================================

Precisely *where* and *when* have they performed *illegal* abortions?

Please cite the dates and places, and why the organisation has not been
convicted of performing illegal abortions.

They haven't been convicted because the criminals are protected through
the abuse of patient confidentiality (D'oh!!). But they advertise
abortion on demand, so unless you are accusing them of lying, they are
performing illegal abortions!!
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User: "Pat Winstanley"
Title: Re: Planned Parenthood, Others, Caught on Tape Protecting Child Rapists	10 Mar 2005 04:53:16 PM

In article <4230b9bb$0$8748$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>,
michael.calwell@btopenworld.com says...

Precisely *where* and *when* have they performed *illegal* abortions?

Please cite the dates and places, and why the organisation has not been
convicted of performing illegal abortions.

They haven't been convicted because the criminals are protected through
the abuse of patient confidentiality (D'oh!!).

Like I said... you are lying about them performing illegal abortions,
and are utterly unable to come up with a single abortion they have
performed illegally.
I wonder if the Marie Stopes organisation knows you are libelling them?
Then again, what's new? You have been lying constantly on here for the
past few weeks! :-)))
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User: "The other Donald"
Title: Calwell, Karengrl, Illogical Pansy, Spitz-n-Shitz, others caught lying on UseNET	10 Mar 2005 04:58:27 PM

"Pat Winstanley" <boredofspam2004@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c9ae032de8f2c1e98c2ac@news.uni-berlin.de...

In article <4230b9bb$0$8748$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>,
michael.calwell@btopenworld.com says...

Precisely *where* and *when* have they performed *illegal* abortions?

Please cite the dates and places, and why the organisation has not

been

convicted of performing illegal abortions.

They haven't been convicted because the criminals are protected through
the abuse of patient confidentiality (D'oh!!).

Like I said... you are lying about them performing illegal abortions,
and are utterly unable to come up with a single abortion they have
performed illegally.

I wonder if the Marie Stopes organisation knows you are libelling them?

Then again, what's new? You have been lying constantly on here for the
past few weeks! :-)))

Has he introduced you yo Karengrl? She wanted to have an abortion if her
baby may be 'quear' and was asking about a 'fudge-packer test.'
Go ahead and ask him. He'll know what you mean......
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User: "Michael Calwell"
Title: Re: Calwell, Karengrl, Illogical Pansy, Spitz-n-Shitz, others caughtlying on UseNET	10 Mar 2005 05:16:19 PM

The other Donald wrote:

"Pat Winstanley" <boredofspam2004@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c9ae032de8f2c1e98c2ac@news.uni-berlin.de...

In article <4230b9bb$0$8748$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>,
michael.calwell@btopenworld.com says...

Precisely *where* and *when* have they performed *illegal* abortions?

Please cite the dates and places, and why the organisation has not

been

convicted of performing illegal abortions.

They haven't been convicted because the criminals are protected through
the abuse of patient confidentiality (D'oh!!).

Like I said... you are lying about them performing illegal abortions,
and are utterly unable to come up with a single abortion they have
performed illegally.

I wonder if the Marie Stopes organisation knows you are libelling them?

Then again, what's new? You have been lying constantly on here for the
past few weeks! :-)))

Has he introduced you yo Karengrl? She wanted to have an abortion if her
baby may be 'quear' and was asking about a 'fudge-packer test.'

Go ahead and ask him. He'll know what you mean...

Still smarting from that little humiliation are you Don! Yeah, it was
pretty neat wasn't it!
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User: "The other Donald"
Title: Calwell, Karengrl, Illogical Pansy, Spitz-n-Shitz, others caught lying on UseNET	10 Mar 2005 05:00:03 PM

"Pat Winstanley" <boredofspam2004@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c9ae032de8f2c1e98c2ac@news.uni-berlin.de...

In article <4230b9bb$0$8748$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>,
michael.calwell@btopenworld.com says...

Precisely *where* and *when* have they performed *illegal* abortions?

Please cite the dates and places, and why the organisation has not

been

convicted of performing illegal abortions.

They haven't been convicted because the criminals are protected through
the abuse of patient confidentiality (D'oh!!).

Like I said... you are lying about them performing illegal abortions,
and are utterly unable to come up with a single abortion they have
performed illegally.

I wonder if the Marie Stopes organisation knows you are libelling them?

Then again, what's new? You have been lying constantly on here for the
past few weeks! :-)))

Has he introduced you yo Karengrl? She wanted to have an abortion if her
baby may be 'quear' and was asking about a 'fudge-packer test.'
Go ahead and ask him. He'll know what you mean......Don't hold your breath,
though. It's not as though honesty is their strong suit.
--
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
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User: "Michael Calwell"
Title: Re: Planned Parenthood, Others, Caught on Tape Protecting Child Rapists	10 Mar 2005 05:13:00 PM

Pat Winstanley wrote:

In article <4230b9bb$0$8748$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>,
michael.calwell@btopenworld.com says...

Precisely *where* and *when* have they performed *illegal* abortions?

Please cite the dates and places, and why the organisation has not been
convicted of performing illegal abortions.

They haven't been convicted because the criminals are protected through
the abuse of patient confidentiality (D'oh!!).

Like I said... you are lying about them performing illegal abortions,
and are utterly unable to come up with a single abortion they have
performed illegally.

I wonder if the Marie Stopes organisation knows you are libelling them?

Then again, what's new? You have been lying constantly on here for the
past few weeks! :-)))

They are advertising illegal abortions Pat. They have incriminated
themselves. I don't need to offer further evidence. ;-)
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User: "Pat Winstanley"
Title: Re: Planned Parenthood, Others, Caught on Tape Protecting Child Rapists	10 Mar 2005 06:00:14 PM

In article <4230d47c$0$8745$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>,
michael.calwell@btopenworld.com says...

Pat Winstanley wrote:

In article <4230b9bb$0$8748$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>,
michael.calwell@btopenworld.com says...

Precisely *where* and *when* have they performed *illegal* abortions?

Please cite the dates and places, and why the organisation has not been
convicted of performing illegal abortions.

They haven't been convicted because the criminals are protected through
the abuse of patient confidentiality (D'oh!!).

Like I said... you are lying about them performing illegal abortions,
and are utterly unable to come up with a single abortion they have
performed illegally.

I wonder if the Marie Stopes organisation knows you are libelling them?

Then again, what's new? You have been lying constantly on here for the
past few weeks! :-)))

They are advertising illegal abortions Pat. They have incriminated
themselves.

You have not shown that they have either advertised or performed illegal
abortions.
(You are, of course, aware that for any woman who meets the legal
requirement for an abortion, 'walk-in' abotions (aka 'on demand',
rather than waiting weeks or months for an NHS abortion) are perfectly
legal...)
You, Michael, are a lair.
In no way have you shown that the organisation has'incriminated itself'
nor that it has performed a single abortion illegally.
You, Michael, are a liar!
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User: "Michael Calwell"
Title: Re: Planned Parenthood, Others, Caught on Tape Protecting Child Rapists	11 Mar 2005 06:54:14 AM

Pat Winstanley wrote:

In article <4230d47c$0$8745$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>,
michael.calwell@btopenworld.com says...

Pat Winstanley wrote:

In article <4230b9bb$0$8748$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>,
michael.calwell@btopenworld.com says...

Precisely *where* and *when* have they performed *illegal* abortions?

Please cite the dates and places, and why the organisation has not been
convicted of performing illegal abortions.

They haven't been convicted because the criminals are protected through
the abuse of patient confidentiality (D'oh!!).

Like I said... you are lying about them performing illegal abortions,
and are utterly unable to come up with a single abortion they have
performed illegally.

I wonder if the Marie Stopes organisation knows you are libelling them?

Then again, what's new? You have been lying constantly on here for the
past few weeks! :-)))

They are advertising illegal abortions Pat. They have incriminated
themselves.

You have not shown that they have either advertised or performed illegal
abortions.

Oh *****. What do you want me to do, bring a copy of Cosmopolitan around
to your house on a silver platter?
.

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