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Topic: Science > Abortion
User: "james g. keegan jr."
Date: 01 Oct 2007 06:02:03 PM
Object: Planned Parenthood's Fight in Aurora
Planned Parenthood's Fight in Aurora
By Sara Paretsky
The Chicago Tribune
Sunday 30 September 2007
Ugly scene a loss for women.
My grandmother watched her father die when an anti-Jewish mob
broke into their small home and shot him as he lay in bed with his
wife. The mob was jubilant and exuberant at his death; their
neighborhood priest in Vilnius, Lithuania, led the crowd through the
streets chanting a Te Deum to show their thanks to the Lord at the
death of someone they considered a nonbeliever.
Most members of that crowd called themselves Christians. I think
of them when I look at the mob in Aurora that is trying to keep the
Planned Parenthood health center there from opening.
I have been working around these protesters and their associates
for 20 years, trying to help women get through their ranks into
clinics for medical appointments. On a recent stint at an
obstetrics-gynecology health center under siege on the North Side of
Chicago, I was trying to escort a woman with ovarian cancer through
the horde so she could see her doctor.
Part of the crowd surrounded us, chanting "Christ killers!" and
"Baby killers!" Briefly, I felt the fear my grandmother must have
known.
The police were watching the demonstrators block the clinic but
doing nothing to remove them from the entrance. After five minutes,
they came to help the cancer patient escape her harassers and return
to her car - weeping and trembling. There was no way she was going to
get essential medical care that day.
After the police left, one of the protesters said to me, "I
suppose since you think it's OK to kill a fetus you agree that it's
OK if I kill you."
This is ugly language, but no more hate-filled than the rest of
the words and deeds of those angry people who want to keep women from
getting reproductive health care.
Why are we allowing such mobs to decide who gets medical care in
Aurora, or anywhere else in America? Never mind that polls show
Planned Parenthood is the most trusted provider of health care in
America. The zealots surrounding the Planned Parenthood health center
in Aurora have actually cowed the Aurora City Council into demanding
a review of the city's permit-granting process. A spokeswoman from
the mayor's office has said that a review of this kind has never been
done before.
The foes of reproductive rights are concocting a story about
Planned Parenthood operating deceptively because the group built the
health center in the name of one of its wholly owned subsidiaries.
Planned Parenthood did this because every time it tries to build a
new facility, its opponents try to keep women from essential health
care.
Four years ago in Austin, Texas, zealots intimidated Browning
Construction into breaking a contract to build a new facility. The
Planned Parenthood building was finished ultimately by contractors
from out-of-state. A Colorado right-to-life group has just announced
that it will use these same tactics to try to keep a new Planned
Parenthood facility in Denver from opening.
According to the Aurora paper, the Beacon News, Aurora officials
- including the mayor - agree that they knew as early as February
that Planned Parenthood was likely building a health center in their
town.
It was only when this mob descended on their town that they
decided to act outside their normal protocols in approving this
health center for opening.
Illinois ranks 42nd in the nation in helping women avoid
unintended pregnancies, according to the Guttmacher Institute, which
provides research and education on sexual and reproductive health.
The institute says only 29 percent of our state's "women in need"
were provided "publicly supported family planning services" by
clinics - and these are the women who need Planned Parenthood for
safe, affordable care.
Aurora, with more than 276,000 residents, is the fastest-growing
city in Illinois; but it has very few places where women can go for
quality, affordable reproductive health care. The women of Aurora and
surrounding Kane, DuPage, Kendall and Will Counties have been calling
their new health center for appointments for the last six weeks.
Isn't it time we turned our back on the mob and let women get the
health care they need?
http://www.truthout.org/issues_06/100107WA.shtml
--
"New York Times has all ready sent me a response stating you have
been warned."
-- prison clerk heishman lying as "Osprey" <noneedtok...@mail.com>
in news:2rCdnZNy7LA5OojdRVn_iw@comcast.com

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User: "John D. Wentzky"

Title: Re: Planned Parenthood's Fight in Aurora 01 Oct 2007 06:16:21 PM
"james g. keegan jr." <jgkeegan@gmail.com> wrote in message
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PROPAGANDA!
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User: "The Chief Instigator"

Title: Re: Planned Parenthood's Fight in Aurora 02 Oct 2007 12:42:16 AM
"John D. Wentzky" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

"james g. keegan jr." <jgkeegan@gmail.com> wrote in message
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PROPAGANDA!

....and you're a cowardly psychotic. What's your point, this time?
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Houston 5, San Antonio 4 (September 29)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, October 6 vs. Chicago, 7:35
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User: "R. Steve Walz"

Title: Re: Planned Parenthood's Fight in Aurora 01 Oct 2007 07:44:05 PM
John D. Wentzky wrote:


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PROPAGANDA!

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And damned GOOD AND VIRTUOUS propaganda, TOO!
Steve
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User: "John D. Wentzky"

Title: Re: Planned Parenthood's Fight in Aurora 01 Oct 2007 09:10:22 PM
"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
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John D. Wentzky wrote:


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PROPAGANDA!

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And damned GOOD AND VIRTUOUS propaganda, TOO!
Steve

Since when do women with real health problems go to a baby-killing clinic?
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User: "R. Steve Walz"

Title: Re: Planned Parenthood's Fight in Aurora 01 Oct 2007 09:47:02 PM
John D. Wentzky wrote:


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John D. Wentzky wrote:


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PROPAGANDA!

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And damned GOOD AND VIRTUOUS propaganda, TOO!
Steve


Since when do women with real health problems go to a baby-killing clinic?

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Abortions don't kill babies. Fetuses are NOT Human BEINGS, merely
human animals, automatic and unconscious.
Steve
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User: "John D. Wentzky"

Title: Re: Planned Parenthood's Fight in Aurora 01 Oct 2007 10:20:00 PM
"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
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John D. Wentzky wrote:


"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
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John D. Wentzky wrote:


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PROPAGANDA!

--------------
And damned GOOD AND VIRTUOUS propaganda, TOO!
Steve


Since when do women with real health problems go to a baby-killing
clinic?

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Abortions don't kill babies.

*****, foooooooooooool.
It is only abortionists that kill them.

Fetuses are NOT Human BEINGS,

Human fetuses are human beings, you foooooooooooooooooool!

merely human animals,

Wrong; but, even in that case they would be beings.
See how you can't make up an excuse without it falling on its face?

automatic and unconscious.

As if you aren't 'automatic' after birth?
What a joke.
As if you are never unconscious when you sleep?
Another joke.
LOL!
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User: "R. Steve Walz"

Title: Re: Planned Parenthood's Fight in Aurora 02 Oct 2007 12:19:42 PM
John D. Wentzky wrote:


"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
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John D. Wentzky wrote:


"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
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John D. Wentzky wrote:


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PROPAGANDA!

--------------
And damned GOOD AND VIRTUOUS propaganda, TOO!
Steve


Since when do women with real health problems go to a baby-killing
clinic?

-------------
Abortions don't kill babies.


*****, foooooooooooool.
It is only abortionists that kill them.

Fetuses are NOT Human BEINGS,


Human fetuses are human beings, you foooooooooooooooooool!

merely human animals,


Wrong; but, even in that case they would be beings.
See how you can't make up an excuse without it falling on its face?

automatic and unconscious.


As if you aren't 'automatic' after birth?
What a joke.

---------------
Your body has autonomic functions after birth,
but again, THEY AIN'T YOU!!

As if you are never unconscious when you sleep?
Another joke.
LOL!

------------------
We commonly agree to sustain the right to life of each other when
sleeping, but ONLY if we have previously proven to be a human BEING
by behaving like one.
If not then we are regarded as being in a vegatative state, and
we get UNPLUGGED!
Steve
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User: "John D. Wentzky"

Title: Re: Planned Parenthood's Fight in Aurora 01 Oct 2007 09:11:29 PM
"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
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John D. Wentzky wrote:


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PROPAGANDA!

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And damned GOOD AND VIRTUOUS propaganda, TOO!
Steve

You abortionists will grasp for anything, huh?
How is it you think killing babies on demand isn't anti-Jewish or
anti-Semitic anyway?
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User: "R. Steve Walz"

Title: Re: Planned Parenthood's Fight in Aurora 01 Oct 2007 09:48:27 PM
John D. Wentzky wrote:


"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
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John D. Wentzky wrote:


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PROPAGANDA!

--------------
And damned GOOD AND VIRTUOUS propaganda, TOO!
Steve


You abortionists will grasp for anything, huh?
How is it you think killing babies on demand isn't anti-Jewish or
anti-Semitic anyway?

-------------
Abortions don't kill babies. Fetuses are NOT Human BEINGS, merely
human animals, automatic and unconscious.
Anti-Semitic?? Are you delusional? That's not related in any way!
Steve
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User: "John D. Wentzky"

Title: Re: Planned Parenthood's Fight in Aurora 01 Oct 2007 10:21:02 PM
"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
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John D. Wentzky wrote:


"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
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John D. Wentzky wrote:


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PROPAGANDA!

--------------
And damned GOOD AND VIRTUOUS propaganda, TOO!
Steve


You abortionists will grasp for anything, huh?
How is it you think killing babies on demand isn't anti-Jewish or
anti-Semitic anyway?

-------------
Abortions don't kill babies. Fetuses are NOT Human BEINGS, merely
human animals, automatic and unconscious.

Redundancy of the ridiculous.

Anti-Semitic?? Are you delusional?

Not in the slightest.

That's not related in any way!

Ridiculous.
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User: "Mark Sebree"

Title: Re: Planned Parenthood's Fight in Aurora 01 Oct 2007 07:34:33 PM
On Oct 1, 7:16 pm, "John D. Wentzky" <wxpprofessio...@msn.com> wrote:

"james g. keegan jr." <jgkee...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:jgkeegan-66FBF8.19020301102007@individual.net...



PROPAGANDA!

And that is what you would tell about this incident. Propaganda. You
have a real problem accepting or telling the truth.
Mark Sebree
.
User: "John D. Wentzky"

Title: Re: Planned Parenthood's Fight in Aurora 01 Oct 2007 09:08:40 PM
"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1191285273.137054.193520@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

On Oct 1, 7:16 pm, "John D. Wentzky" <wxpprofessio...@msn.com> wrote:

"james g. keegan jr." <jgkee...@gmail.com> wrote in
messagenews:jgkeegan-66FBF8.19020301102007@individual.net...



PROPAGANDA!


And that is what you would tell about this incident. Propaganda. You
have a real problem accepting or telling the truth.

What incident?
How is Vilnius, Lithuania related to this story?
Weirdo.
Now you are acting as if abortion on demand is somehow related to
anti-Jewish stories that no one is concerned about after more than fifty
years.
You anti-Semitic abortionist weirdoes are way off base.
.
User: "R. Steve Walz"

Title: Re: Planned Parenthood's Fight in Aurora 01 Oct 2007 09:45:11 PM
John D. Wentzky wrote:


"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1191285273.137054.193520@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

On Oct 1, 7:16 pm, "John D. Wentzky" <wxpprofessio...@msn.com> wrote:

"james g. keegan jr." <jgkee...@gmail.com> wrote in
messagenews:jgkeegan-66FBF8.19020301102007@individual.net...



PROPAGANDA!


And that is what you would tell about this incident. Propaganda. You
have a real problem accepting or telling the truth.


What incident?
How is Vilnius, Lithuania related to this story?
Weirdo.
Now you are acting as if abortion on demand is somehow related to
anti-Jewish stories that no one is concerned about after more than fifty
years.
You anti-Semitic abortionist weirdoes are way off base.

------------
Anti-Semitic? Where did THAT come from now???
Steve
.
User: "The Chief Instigator"

Title: Re: Planned Parenthood's Fight in Aurora 02 Oct 2007 12:45:36 AM
"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> writes:

John D. Wentzky wrote:

"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1191285273.137054.193520@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

On Oct 1, 7:16 pm, "John D. Wentzky" <wxpprofessio...@msn.com> wrote:

"james g. keegan jr." <jgkee...@gmail.com> wrote in
messagenews:jgkeegan-66FBF8.19020301102007@individual.net...

PROPAGANDA!

And that is what you would tell about this incident. Propaganda. You
have a real problem accepting or telling the truth.

What incident?
How is Vilnius, Lithuania related to this story?
Weirdo.
Now you are acting as if abortion on demand is somehow related to
anti-Jewish stories that no one is concerned about after more than fifty
years.
You anti-Semitic abortionist weirdoes are way off base.

Anti-Semitic? Where did THAT come from now???
Steve

Wentzky's slowly going mad, and is facing a felony charge of assaulting an
officer in an incident last January. About the best that can be hoped for is
that when he shows up for the initial arraignment hearing, he'll get an
involuntary commitment to the state hospital in Columbia.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Houston 5, San Antonio 4 (September 29)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, October 6 vs. Chicago, 7:35
.

User: "John D. Wentzky"

Title: Re: Planned Parenthood's Fight in Aurora 01 Oct 2007 10:17:20 PM
"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
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John D. Wentzky wrote:


"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1191285273.137054.193520@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

On Oct 1, 7:16 pm, "John D. Wentzky" <wxpprofessio...@msn.com> wrote:

"james g. keegan jr." <jgkee...@gmail.com> wrote in
messagenews:jgkeegan-66FBF8.19020301102007@individual.net...



PROPAGANDA!


And that is what you would tell about this incident. Propaganda. You
have a real problem accepting or telling the truth.


What incident?
How is Vilnius, Lithuania related to this story?
Weirdo.
Now you are acting as if abortion on demand is somehow related to
anti-Jewish stories that no one is concerned about after more than fifty
years.
You anti-Semitic abortionist weirdoes are way off base.

------------
Anti-Semitic? Where did THAT come from now???
Steve

You think killing in utero humans without any qualification standard is
somehow not anti-Semitic?
.
User: "R. Steve Walz"

Title: Re: Planned Parenthood's Fight in Aurora 02 Oct 2007 12:15:36 PM
John D. Wentzky wrote:


"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:4701B0B7.2F35@armory.com...

John D. Wentzky wrote:


"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1191285273.137054.193520@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

On Oct 1, 7:16 pm, "John D. Wentzky" <wxpprofessio...@msn.com> wrote:

"james g. keegan jr." <jgkee...@gmail.com> wrote in
messagenews:jgkeegan-66FBF8.19020301102007@individual.net...



PROPAGANDA!


And that is what you would tell about this incident. Propaganda. You
have a real problem accepting or telling the truth.


What incident?
How is Vilnius, Lithuania related to this story?
Weirdo.
Now you are acting as if abortion on demand is somehow related to
anti-Jewish stories that no one is concerned about after more than fifty
years.
You anti-Semitic abortionist weirdoes are way off base.

------------
Anti-Semitic? Where did THAT come from now???
Steve


You think killing in utero humans

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If they're in utero they aren't human beings.

without any qualification standard is
somehow not anti-Semitic?

----------------------
Surely NOT if they aren't Semites!??
You're a fucking nutcake!
Steve
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User: "Mark Sebree"

Title: Re: Planned Parenthood's Fight in Aurora 01 Oct 2007 10:53:44 PM
On Oct 1, 11:17 pm, "John D. Wentzky" <wxpprofessio...@msn.com> wrote:

"R. Steve Walz" <rste...@armory.com> wrote in messagenews:4701B0B7.2F35@armory.com...



John D. Wentzky wrote:


"Mark Sebree" <seb...@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1191285273.137054.193520@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

On Oct 1, 7:16 pm, "John D. Wentzky" <wxpprofessio...@msn.com> wrote:

"james g. keegan jr." <jgkee...@gmail.com> wrote in
messagenews:jgkeegan-66FBF8.19020301102007@individual.net...


PROPAGANDA!


And that is what you would tell about this incident. Propaganda. You
have a real problem accepting or telling the truth.


What incident?
How is Vilnius, Lithuania related to this story?
Weirdo.
Now you are acting as if abortion on demand is somehow related to
anti-Jewish stories that no one is concerned about after more than fifty
years.
You anti-Semitic abortionist weirdoes are way off base.

------------
Anti-Semitic? Where did THAT come from now???
Steve


You think killing in utero humans without any qualification standard is
somehow not anti-Semitic?

There are no human beings in utero, and it is not "anti-Semitic"
because no jewish women, or any other women for that matter, are
forced to get an abortion against their wills.
For something to be "anti-Semantic", you first have to show that it is
a disadvantage primarily to the jewish people as a group, and that it
is a conscious decision to make this practice harmful to them. There
is nothing about abortion in the USA today that is anti-Semitic. If
you think that it is, YOU have to defend your position in a complete
and logical manner, with objective cites.
Mark Sebree
.
User: "Pr0r3p"

Title: Re: Planned Parenthood's Fight in Aurora 02 Oct 2007 08:34:34 AM
On Oct 1, 11:53 pm, Mark Sebree <seb...@infionline.net> wrote:

On Oct 1, 11:17 pm, "John D.Wentzky" <wxpprofessio...@msn.com> wrote:



"R. Steve Walz" <rste...@armory.com> wrote in messagenews:4701B0B7.2F35@armory.com...


John D.Wentzkywrote:


"Mark Sebree" <seb...@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1191285273.137054.193520@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

On Oct 1, 7:16 pm, "John D.Wentzky" <wxpprofessio...@msn.com> wrote:

"james g. keegan jr." <jgkee...@gmail.com> wrote in
messagenews:jgkeegan-66FBF8.19020301102007@individual.net...


PROPAGANDA!


And that is what you would tell about this incident. Propaganda. You
have a real problem accepting or telling the truth.


What incident?
How is Vilnius, Lithuania related to this story?
Weirdo.
Now you are acting as if abortion on demand is somehow related to
anti-Jewish stories that no one is concerned about after more than fifty
years.
You anti-Semitic abortionist weirdoes are way off base.

------------
Anti-Semitic? Where did THAT come from now???
Steve


You think killing in utero humans without any qualification standard is
somehow not anti-Semitic?


There are no human beings in utero, and it is not "anti-Semitic"
because no jewish women, or any other women for that matter, are
forced to get an abortion against their wills.

For something to be "anti-Semantic", you first have to show that it is
a disadvantage primarily to the jewish people as a group, and that it
is a conscious decision to make this practice harmful to them. There
is nothing about abortion in the USA today that is anti-Semitic.

Oh come on, isn't it fun to watch Wentzky make up new definitions of
words and then try to defend those definitions? It's truly a
laughfest at his expense. He's a friggin' stand up comedian but
doesn't know it because he thinks people take what he says
seriously.

If
you think that it is, YOU have to defend your position in a complete
and logical manner, with objective cites.

He believes he's immune from doing such things. Just ask him...
.




User: "Mark Sebree"

Title: Re: Planned Parenthood's Fight in Aurora 01 Oct 2007 10:49:47 PM
On Oct 1, 10:08 pm, "John D. Wentzky" <wxpprofessio...@msn.com> wrote:

"Mark Sebree" <seb...@infionline.net> wrote in message

news:1191285273.137054.193520@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

On Oct 1, 7:16 pm, "John D. Wentzky" <wxpprofessio...@msn.com> wrote:

"james g. keegan jr." <jgkee...@gmail.com> wrote in
messagenews:jgkeegan-66FBF8.19020301102007@individual.net...


PROPAGANDA!


And that is what you would tell about this incident. Propaganda. You
have a real problem accepting or telling the truth.


What incident?

The one in the article that you snipped. Here is the link again:
http://www.truthout.org/issues_06/100107WA.shtml

How is Vilnius, Lithuania related to this story?

Very likely, it isn't. You are the first one to refer to this. It is
your strawman, so you get to burn it.

Weirdo.

That would be you.

Now you are acting as if abortion on demand is somehow related to
anti-Jewish stories that no one is concerned about after more than fifty
years.

You are the one that came up with this strawman, so you get to explain
it. I am not acting as your delusions make you think I am acting.
When you can read for content and comprehension, you might be able to
understand that.

You anti-Semitic abortionist weirdoes are way off base.

Especially why you are the only one that is deluded enough to see it.
Those "weirdoes" exist only in your imagination, not in reality. You
are the only one that is off base. You are the one that is referring
to things never said, and that have nothing to do with either the
article or the subject matter.
Mark Sebree
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Planned Parenthood's Fight in Aurora 04 Oct 2007 06:54:15 PM
On Oct 2, 5:49 am, Mark Sebree <seb...@infionline.net> wrote:

On Oct 1, 10:08 pm, "John D. Wentzky" <wxpprofessio...@msn.com> wrote:

You anti-Semitic abortionist weirdoes are way off base.


Especially why you are the only one that is deluded enough to see it.
Those "weirdoes" exist only in your imagination, not in reality. You
are the only one that is off base. You are the one that is referring
to things never said, and that have nothing to do with either the
article or the subject matter.

=B7 Indeed Sebree, you and your buddies are the
'weirdoes' and there are many worse epithets
you well deserve. You are a disgrace to your
family and your country.
- -
There are three types of people that you
can_not_talk into behaving well. The
stupid, the religious fanatic, and the evil.
1- The stupid aren't smart enough to
follow the logic of what you say. You
have to tell them what is right in very
simple terms. If they don't agree, then
you'll never be able to change their mind.
2- the religious fanatic
If what you say goes against their
religious belief, they will cling to that
religious belief even if it means their
death."
3- There is no way to reform evil- Not in a million
years
There is no way to convince the terrorists,
serial killers, pedophiles, and predators
to change their evil ways. They knew what
they were doing was wrong, but that
knowledge didn't stop them. It only made
them more careful in how they went about
performing their evil acts.
.
User: "Mark Sebree"

Title: Re: Planned Parenthood's Fight in Aurora 04 Oct 2007 09:57:50 PM
On Oct 4, 7:54 pm,
wrote:

On Oct 2, 5:49 am, Mark Sebree <seb...@infionline.net> wrote:

On Oct 1, 10:08 pm, "John D. Wentzky" <wxpprofessio...@msn.com> wrote:

You anti-Semitic abortionist weirdoes are way off base.


Especially why you are the only one that is deluded enough to see it.
Those "weirdoes" exist only in your imagination, not in reality. You
are the only one that is off base. You are the one that is referring
to things never said, and that have nothing to do with either the
article or the subject matter.


=B7 Indeed Sebree, you and your buddies are the
'weirdoes' and there are many worse epithets
you well deserve. You are a disgrace to your
family and your country.

That is not what my family and my country say. My family is proud of
me, and my country gave me an Honorable Discharge from the US Navy, as
well as a Good Conduct Medal and a National Defense Medal. Another
reason that my family is proud of my besides my serving during the
first Iraqi War is the fact that after I finished my service, I went
on to get a Master's Degree in Applied Computer Science from Purdue
University.
There is nothing "weird" about me. Or perhaps your definition off
"weird" is different from most other people's.
Mark Sebree
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User: "John D. Wentzky"

Title: Re: Planned Parenthood's Fight in Aurora 01 Oct 2007 09:09:34 PM
"james g. keegan jr." <jgkeegan@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:jgkeegan-66FBF8.19020301102007@individual.net...

Planned Parenthood's Fight in Aurora

Since when do women with real health problems go to a baby-killing clinic?
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User: "The Chief Instigator"

Title: Re: Planned Parenthood's Fight in Aurora 02 Oct 2007 12:52:52 AM
"John D. Wentzky" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

"james g. keegan jr." <jgkeegan@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:jgkeegan-66FBF8.19020301102007@individual.net...

Planned Parenthood's Fight in Aurora

Since when do women with real health problems go to a baby-killing clinic?

It obviously has escaped your notice that Planned Parenthood offers prenatal
care education for those women who are pregnant and intend to bear their
child. (That's basically available at every one of their Houston clinics -
and they only offer abortion services at one of them. You'll have to find
that out on your own.)
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Houston 5, San Antonio 4 (September 29)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, October 6 vs. Chicago, 7:35
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User: "R. Steve Walz"

Title: Re: Planned Parenthood's Fight in Aurora 01 Oct 2007 09:46:05 PM
John D. Wentzky wrote:


"james g. keegan jr." <jgkeegan@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:jgkeegan-66FBF8.19020301102007@individual.net...

Planned Parenthood's Fight in Aurora


Since when do women with real health problems go to a baby-killing clinic?

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Abortions don't kill babies. Fetuses are NOT Human BEINGS, merely
human animals, automatic and unconscious.
Steve
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User: "John D. Wentzky"

Title: Re: Planned Parenthood's Fight in Aurora 01 Oct 2007 10:21:26 PM
"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:4701B0ED.B7A@armory.com...

John D. Wentzky wrote:


"james g. keegan jr." <jgkeegan@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:jgkeegan-66FBF8.19020301102007@individual.net...

Planned Parenthood's Fight in Aurora


Since when do women with real health problems go to a baby-killing
clinic?

-------------
Abortions don't kill babies. Fetuses are NOT Human BEINGS, merely
human animals, automatic and unconscious.

Redundancy of the ridiculous.
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User: "R. Steve Walz"

Title: Re: Planned Parenthood's Fight in Aurora 02 Oct 2007 12:21:03 PM
John D. Wentzky wrote:


"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:4701B0ED.B7A@armory.com...

John D. Wentzky wrote:


"james g. keegan jr." <jgkeegan@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:jgkeegan-66FBF8.19020301102007@individual.net...

Planned Parenthood's Fight in Aurora


Since when do women with real health problems go to a baby-killing
clinic?

-------------
Abortions don't kill babies. Fetuses are NOT Human BEINGS, merely
human animals, automatic and unconscious.


Redundancy of the ridiculous.

----------------
You've obviously made up your own nutcake magic phrase to dispel
things you are afraid of.
Steve
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User: "Pr0r3p"

Title: Re: Planned Parenthood's Fight in Aurora 02 Oct 2007 08:28:07 AM
On Oct 1, 10:09 pm, "John D. Wentzky" <wxpprofessio...@msn.com> wrote:

"james g. keegan jr." <jgkee...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:jgkeegan-66FBF8.19020301102007@individual.net...

Planned Parenthood's Fight in Aurora


Since when do women with real health problems go to a baby-killing clinic?

Since abortion is usually a small percentage of the health services
that those facilities provide. You've seen the evidence in the past
that proves this to be the case, let's see if you are willing to
accept it now since it contradicts your fantasy world thinking even
though you claim to be an ally of the truth.
.

User: "Mark Sebree"

Title: Re: Planned Parenthood's Fight in Aurora 01 Oct 2007 10:44:24 PM
On Oct 1, 10:09 pm, "John D. Wentzky" <wxpprofessio...@msn.com> wrote:

"james g. keegan jr." <jgkee...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:jgkeegan-66FBF8.19020301102007@individual.net...

Planned Parenthood's Fight in Aurora


Since when do women with real health problems go to a baby-killing clinic?

There is no such thing as a "baby-killing clinic". The woman with a
real health problem was going to see a real doctor that specializes in
women's health issues at a real clinic. Only idiots like yourself
prevented her from getting the treatment that she needed, and
displayed their ignorance at the same time.
Hopefully, the FACE Act laws will start getting enforced again.
Mark Sebree
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User: ""

Title: Re: Planned Parenthood's Fight in Aurora 04 Oct 2007 01:19:15 PM
On Oct 1, 7:02 pm, "james g. keegan jr." <jgkee...@gmail.com> wrote:

Planned Parenthood's Fight in Aurora
By Sara Paretsky
The Chicago Tribune

Sunday 30 September 2007

Ugly scene a loss for women.

Not for pro life women.

My grandmother watched her father die when an anti-Jewish mob
broke into their small home and shot him as he lay in bed with his
wife. The mob was jubilant and exuberant at his death; their
neighborhood priest in Vilnius, Lithuania, led the crowd through the
streets chanting a Te Deum to show their thanks to the Lord at the
death of someone they considered a nonbeliever.

Most members of that crowd called themselves Christians.

So you're saying "good" Christians would allow abortion to go on
unhindered without protest? Come on now. Even if you're pro choice
and not Christian, that's a lame thing to say. Whether you agree with
what they believe in or not, they DO have a right to stand up for it.

I think
of them when I look at the mob in Aurora that is trying to keep the
Planned Parenthood health center there from opening.

I don't know why. They bear nothing in common. It's a long way from
a public protest to murdering someone in their bed. The comparison is
basically just an appeal to emotion.

I have been working around these protesters and their associates
for 20 years, trying to help women get through their ranks into
clinics for medical appointments. On a recent stint at an
obstetrics-gynecology health center under siege on the North Side of
Chicago, I was trying to escort a woman with ovarian cancer through
the horde so she could see her doctor.

Another appeal to emotion, using a cancer patient as the subject of
the article rather than a woman seeking an elective abortion. Those
protesters weren't there to stop cancer patients from getting
treatment, and the article can't honestly claim they were. But of
course, by using this person as the included example, insinuations can
be made.

Part of the crowd surrounded us, chanting "Christ killers!" and
"Baby killers!" Briefly, I felt the fear my grandmother must have
known.

The police were watching the demonstrators block the clinic but
doing nothing to remove them from the entrance. After five minutes,
they came to help the cancer patient escape her harassers and return
to her car - weeping and trembling. There was no way she was going to
get essential medical care that day.

If she'd chosen somewhere to get her essential medical care that
wasn't known for offering elective abortions, there wouldn't have been
any problem. Not that it's proper to prevent someone from getting in
to see a doctor, but seriously, this whole thing is out of hand.
These people did not break into her house and kill her in her bed.

After the police left, one of the protesters said to me, "I
suppose since you think it's OK to kill a fetus you agree that it's
OK if I kill you."

This is ugly language, but no more hate-filled than the rest of
the words and deeds of those angry people who want to keep women from
getting reproductive health care.

Who says they want to keep people from getting reproductive health
care? Were they protesting a store selling birth control? Protesting
a delivery room? Protesting a la maz class? It's abortions they want
to keep people from getting, not health care. Of course "reproductive
health care" is technically correct, and it *sounds* so much nicer
than abortions. Just more spin.

Why are we allowing such mobs to decide who gets medical care in
Aurora, or anywhere else in America? Never mind that polls show
Planned Parenthood is the most trusted provider of health care in
America. The zealots surrounding the Planned Parenthood health center
in Aurora have actually cowed the Aurora City Council into demanding
a review of the city's permit-granting process. A spokeswoman from
the mayor's office has said that a review of this kind has never been
done before.

Doesn't mean it isn't the right thing to do.

The foes of reproductive rights are concocting a story about
Planned Parenthood operating deceptively because the group built the
health center in the name of one of its wholly owned subsidiaries.
Planned Parenthood did this because every time it tries to build a
new facility, its opponents try to keep women from essential health
care.

So then it is not a "concocted story" at all, as in the very sentence
the article admits that Planned Parenthood was being deceptive.

Four years ago in Austin, Texas, zealots intimidated Browning
Construction into breaking a contract to build a new facility. The
Planned Parenthood building was finished ultimately by contractors
from out-of-state. A Colorado right-to-life group has just announced
that it will use these same tactics to try to keep a new Planned
Parenthood facility in Denver from opening.

Good.

According to the Aurora paper, the Beacon News, Aurora officials
- including the mayor - agree that they knew as early as February
that Planned Parenthood was likely building a health center in their
town.

It was only when this mob descended on their town that they
decided to act outside their normal protocols in approving this
health center for opening.

So what? The officials are responsible to the community. If the
community doesn't want them there, then there's nothing wrong with
making absolutely sure they have a right to be there. If Planned
Parenthood did nothing wrong, then there's nothing to fear from going
over the permit process again.

Illinois ranks 42nd in the nation in helping women avoid
unintended pregnancies, according to the Guttmacher Institute, which
provides research and education on sexual and reproductive health.
The institute says only 29 percent of our state's "women in need"
were provided "publicly supported family planning services" by
clinics - and these are the women who need Planned Parenthood for
safe, affordable care.

Nobody *needs* publicly supported family planning services. The world
got along just fine for thousands of years without such a thing even
existing.

Aurora, with more than 276,000 residents, is the fastest-growing
city in Illinois; but it has very few places where women can go for
quality, affordable reproductive health care. The women of Aurora and
surrounding Kane, DuPage, Kendall and Will Counties have been calling
their new health center for appointments for the last six weeks.

Isn't it time we turned our back on the mob and let women get the
health care they need?

It's never time to ignore concerned citizens. And nobody needs
elective abortions, which is what we're talking about here -- not
essential health care.

http://www.truthout.org/issues_06/100107WA.shtml

--
"New York Times has all ready sent me a response stating you have
been warned."
-- prison clerk heishman lying as "Osprey" <noneedtok...@mail.com>
innews:2rCdnZNy7LA5OojdRVn_iw@comcast.com

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User: "Ray Fischer"

Title: Re: Planned Parenthood's Fight in Aurora 04 Oct 2007 11:08:24 PM
<patrick.barnes@standardregister.com> wrote:

Most members of that crowd called themselves Christians.


So you're saying "good" Christians would allow abortion to go on
unhindered without protest? Come on now. Even if you're pro choice
and not Christian, that's a lame thing to say.

But you're not a Christian and you don't know what the Bible says.
But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall
smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if
any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him
have thy cloak also. And whosoever shall compel thee to go a
mile, go with him twain. Give to him that asketh thee, and from
him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
Matt 5:39-42

Whether you agree with
what they believe in or not, they DO have a right to stand up for it.

But you anti-choicers don't believe in rights.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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