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Topic: Science > Abortion
User: "Yang, AthD h.c"
Date: 08 Jul 2004 08:14:18 PM
Object: Poll: Bush Lied
Washington, DC, Jul. 1 (UPI) -- A majority of Americans believe
President Bush deliberately misled his nation to justify invading
Iraq, a survey released Thursday indicates.
The latest NBC/Wall Street Journal poll, released four months before
the presidential elections, points out most Americans believe their
nation is headed in the wrong direction.
-----
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Socerey Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -877 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
.

User: "Mark Fox"

Title: Re: Bush Lied 27 Jul 2004 07:18:16 AM
"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in message news:<260720042333159222%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com>...

In article <ce4rgb$l27$1@bolt.sonic.net>, Ray Fischer
<rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote:

Mark Fox <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:

The subject line says "bush lied". How does that tell anyone which
of Saddam's many invasions into innocent sovereign countries you are
talking about?


"Many"? I know of one. Two if you count the war with Iran (in which
Iraq didn't actually invade). How is that different from Bush's
invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq?


And the Kuwaiti "invasion" was due to Kuwaiti's encroaching on the
Iraqi's oil after repeated warning to stop, and the mistaken nod of the
Bush Administration.

Now you try to claim that even the Invasion of Kuwait by Iraq was
Bush's fault? LOL! Are Earthquakes Bush's fault too? ROTFL......
.
User: "David W. Barnes"

Title: Re: Bush Lied 27 Jul 2004 10:11:43 AM
In article <a258afb5.0407270418.6bb0a130@posting.google.com>, Mark Fox
<mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in message
news:<260720042333159222%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com>...

In article <ce4rgb$l27$1@bolt.sonic.net>, Ray Fischer
<rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote:

Mark Fox <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:

The subject line says "bush lied". How does that tell anyone which
of Saddam's many invasions into innocent sovereign countries you are
talking about?


"Many"? I know of one. Two if you count the war with Iran (in which
Iraq didn't actually invade). How is that different from Bush's
invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq?


And the Kuwaiti "invasion" was due to Kuwaiti's encroaching on the
Iraqi's oil after repeated warning to stop, and the mistaken nod of the
Bush Administration.


Now you try to claim that even the Invasion of Kuwait by Iraq was
Bush's fault? LOL! Are Earthquakes Bush's fault too? ROTFL......

I'm just pointing out that Hussein sought approval from the U.S. to
invade Kuwait and we mistakenly gave it to him. Before the invasion,
the US ambassador to Iraq, April Glaspie, told Saddam Hussein that if
he invaded Iraq, the US would not interfere. It was a reasonable
expectation on Saddam Hussein's part that he would get away with it.
Here is a transcript of April Glaspie admitting to it. She claimed she
wasn't thinking.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ARTICLE5/april.html
Here we see that the U.S. gave Saddam Hussein a "green light" to invade.
http://csmonitor.com/cgi-bin/durableRedirect.pl?/durable/1999/05/27/p23s
3.htm
I don't suppose you hear much about this on Fox "NEWS."
.
User: "America"

Title: Re: Bush Lied 27 Jul 2004 10:57:06 AM
On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 08:11:43 -0700, "David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote:

In article <a258afb5.0407270418.6bb0a130@posting.google.com>, Mark Fox
<mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in message
news:<260720042333159222%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com>...

In article <ce4rgb$l27$1@bolt.sonic.net>, Ray Fischer
<rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote:

Mark Fox <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:

The subject line says "bush lied". How does that tell anyone which
of Saddam's many invasions into innocent sovereign countries you are
talking about?


"Many"? I know of one. Two if you count the war with Iran (in which
Iraq didn't actually invade). How is that different from Bush's
invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq?


And the Kuwaiti "invasion" was due to Kuwaiti's encroaching on the
Iraqi's oil after repeated warning to stop, and the mistaken nod of the
Bush Administration.


Now you try to claim that even the Invasion of Kuwait by Iraq was
Bush's fault? LOL! Are Earthquakes Bush's fault too? ROTFL......


I'm just pointing out that Hussein sought approval from the U.S. to
invade Kuwait and we mistakenly gave it to him. Before the invasion,
the US ambassador to Iraq, April Glaspie, told Saddam Hussein that if
he invaded Iraq, the US would not interfere. It was a reasonable
expectation on Saddam Hussein's part that he would get away with it.

Here is a transcript of April Glaspie admitting to it. She claimed she
wasn't thinking.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ARTICLE5/april.html

Here we see that the U.S. gave Saddam Hussein a "green light" to invade.

http://csmonitor.com/cgi-bin/durableRedirect.pl?/durable/1999/05/27/p23s
3.htm

I don't suppose you hear much about this on Fox "NEWS."

Good call. Thanks for posting the links.
.
User: "Mark Fox"

Title: Re: Bush Lied 27 Jul 2004 08:56:00 PM
America wrote in message news:<1qucg0h3nc5g4vdccbi4urvidfe9nq94hm@4ax.com>...

On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 08:11:43 -0700, "David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote:

In article <a258afb5.0407270418.6bb0a130@posting.google.com>, Mark Fox
<mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in message
news:<260720042333159222%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com>...

In article <ce4rgb$l27$1@bolt.sonic.net>, Ray Fischer
<rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote:

Mark Fox <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:

The subject line says "bush lied". How does that tell anyone which
of Saddam's many invasions into innocent sovereign countries you are
talking about?


"Many"? I know of one. Two if you count the war with Iran (in which
Iraq didn't actually invade). How is that different from Bush's
invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq?


And the Kuwaiti "invasion" was due to Kuwaiti's encroaching on the
Iraqi's oil after repeated warning to stop, and the mistaken nod of the
Bush Administration.


Now you try to claim that even the Invasion of Kuwait by Iraq was
Bush's fault? LOL! Are Earthquakes Bush's fault too? ROTFL......


I'm just pointing out that Hussein sought approval from the U.S. to
invade Kuwait and we mistakenly gave it to him. Before the invasion,
the US ambassador to Iraq, April Glaspie, told Saddam Hussein that if
he invaded Iraq, the US would not interfere. It was a reasonable
expectation on Saddam Hussein's part that he would get away with it.

Here is a transcript of April Glaspie admitting to it. She claimed she
wasn't thinking.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ARTICLE5/april.html

Here we see that the U.S. gave Saddam Hussein a "green light" to invade.

http://csmonitor.com/cgi-bin/durableRedirect.pl?/durable/1999/05/27/p23s
3.htm

I don't suppose you hear much about this on Fox "NEWS."


Good call. Thanks for posting the links.

LOL! You post some words on an amateurish web page and you expect us
to believe it? You are funny. By the way, your second link doesn't
work.
.
User: "David W. Barnes"

Title: Re: Bush Lied 27 Jul 2004 09:16:14 PM
In article <a258afb5.0407271756.77132a90@posting.google.com>, Mark Fox
<mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:

America wrote in message news:<1qucg0h3nc5g4vdccbi4urvidfe9nq94hm@4ax.com>...

On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 08:11:43 -0700, "David W. Barnes"
<DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote:

In article <a258afb5.0407270418.6bb0a130@posting.google.com>, Mark Fox
<mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in message
news:<260720042333159222%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com>...

In article <ce4rgb$l27$1@bolt.sonic.net>, Ray Fischer
<rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote:

Mark Fox <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:

The subject line says "bush lied". How does that tell anyone which
of Saddam's many invasions into innocent sovereign countries you are
talking about?


"Many"? I know of one. Two if you count the war with Iran (in which
Iraq didn't actually invade). How is that different from Bush's
invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq?


And the Kuwaiti "invasion" was due to Kuwaiti's encroaching on the
Iraqi's oil after repeated warning to stop, and the mistaken nod of the
Bush Administration.


Now you try to claim that even the Invasion of Kuwait by Iraq was
Bush's fault? LOL! Are Earthquakes Bush's fault too? ROTFL......


I'm just pointing out that Hussein sought approval from the U.S. to
invade Kuwait and we mistakenly gave it to him. Before the invasion,
the US ambassador to Iraq, April Glaspie, told Saddam Hussein that if
he invaded Iraq, the US would not interfere. It was a reasonable
expectation on Saddam Hussein's part that he would get away with it.

Here is a transcript of April Glaspie admitting to it. She claimed she
wasn't thinking.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ARTICLE5/april.html

Here we see that the U.S. gave Saddam Hussein a "green light" to invade.

http://csmonitor.com/cgi-bin/durableRedirect.pl?/durable/1999/05/27/p23s
3.htm

I don't suppose you hear much about this on Fox "NEWS."


Good call. Thanks for posting the links.


LOL! You post some words on an amateurish web page and you expect us
to believe it? You are funny. By the way, your second link doesn't
work.

So you couldn't access it, but it was a lie. Typical. No point in
finding out what it said before making that stupid "it's a lie" claim
you simpleminded Right Wingers make.
.

User: "Ray Fischer"

Title: Re: Bush Lied 27 Jul 2004 11:58:51 PM
Mark Fox <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:

America wrote in message news:<1qucg0h3nc5g4vdccbi4urvidfe9nq94hm@4ax.com>...

Here is a transcript of April Glaspie admitting to it. She claimed she
wasn't thinking.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ARTICLE5/april.html

Here we see that the U.S. gave Saddam Hussein a "green light" to invade.

http://csmonitor.com/cgi-bin/durableRedirect.pl?/durable/1999/05/27/p23s
3.htm

I don't suppose you hear much about this on Fox "NEWS."


Good call. Thanks for posting the links.


LOL! You post some words on an amateurish web page and you expect us

Ad hominem. The right-wing bigot cannot address the actual transcript
and so he whines about the formatting instead.

to believe it? You are funny. By the way, your second link doesn't
work.

Because you're a stupid *****. Try combing the wrapped lines.
Or use this link:
http://csmonitor.com/cgi-bin/durableRedirect.pl?/durable/1999/05/27/p23s3.htm
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.
User: "Mark Fox"

Title: Re: Bush Lied 28 Jul 2004 08:10:17 AM
(Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<ce7bqa$oe0$1@bolt.sonic.net>...

Mark Fox <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:

America wrote in message news:<1qucg0h3nc5g4vdccbi4urvidfe9nq94hm@4ax.com>...


Here is a transcript of April Glaspie admitting to it. She claimed she
wasn't thinking.

Here we see that the U.S. gave Saddam Hussein a "green light" to invade.

http://csmonitor.com/cgi-bin/durableRedirect.pl?/durable/1999/05/27/p23s
3.htm

I don't suppose you hear much about this on Fox "NEWS."


Good call. Thanks for posting the links.


Did you guys even read the article?
"April Glaspie was called to testify informally before the Senate
Foreign Relations Committee...She said she was the victim of
"deliberate deception on a major scale," and denounced the Iraqi
transcript as "a fabrication" that distorted her position..."
You guys are drowning in your conspiracy theories so deeply you can't
comprehend the English language anymore.
.
User: "David W. Barnes"

Title: Re: Bush Lied 28 Jul 2004 09:50:08 AM
In article <a258afb5.0407280510.7721dcb3@posting.google.com>, Mark Fox
<mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:

rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message
news:<ce7bqa$oe0$1@bolt.sonic.net>...

Mark Fox <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:

America wrote in message
news:<1qucg0h3nc5g4vdccbi4urvidfe9nq94hm@4ax.com>...


Here is a transcript of April Glaspie admitting to it. She claimed she
wasn't thinking.

Here we see that the U.S. gave Saddam Hussein a "green light" to invade.

http://csmonitor.com/cgi-bin/durableRedirect.pl?/durable/1999/05/27/p23s
3.htm

I don't suppose you hear much about this on Fox "NEWS."


Good call. Thanks for posting the links.



Did you guys even read the article?


"April Glaspie was called to testify informally before the Senate
Foreign Relations Committee...She said she was the victim of
"deliberate deception on a major scale," and denounced the Iraqi
transcript as "a fabrication" that distorted her position..."

You guys are drowning in your conspiracy theories so deeply you can't
comprehend the English language anymore.

Even the Bush White House admitted she had the meeting and said what
she said. (And they fired her over it.)
.

User: "Ray Fischer"

Title: Re: Bush Lied 28 Jul 2004 11:27:08 AM
Mark Fox <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:

rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<ce7bqa$oe0$1@bolt.sonic.net>...

Mark Fox <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:

America wrote in message news:<1qucg0h3nc5g4vdccbi4urvidfe9nq94hm@4ax.com>...


Here is a transcript of April Glaspie admitting to it. She claimed she
wasn't thinking.

Here we see that the U.S. gave Saddam Hussein a "green light" to invade.

http://csmonitor.com/cgi-bin/durableRedirect.pl?/durable/1999/05/27/p23s
3.htm

I don't suppose you hear much about this on Fox "NEWS."


Good call. Thanks for posting the links.



Did you guys even read the article?


"April Glaspie was called to testify informally before the Senate
Foreign Relations Committee...She said she was the victim of
"deliberate deception on a major scale,"

though it contained "a great deal" that was accurate.
Did you even read the articles?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.


User: "Mark Fox"

Title: Re: Bush Lied 28 Jul 2004 08:02:46 AM
(Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<ce7bqa$oe0$1@bolt.sonic.net>...

Mark Fox <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:

America wrote in message news:<1qucg0h3nc5g4vdccbi4urvidfe9nq94hm@4ax.com>...


Here is a transcript of April Glaspie admitting to it. She claimed she
wasn't thinking.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ARTICLE5/april.html

Here we see that the U.S. gave Saddam Hussein a "green light" to invade.

http://csmonitor.com/cgi-bin/durableRedirect.pl?/durable/1999/05/27/p23s
3.htm

I don't suppose you hear much about this on Fox "NEWS."


Good call. Thanks for posting the links.


LOL! You post some words on an amateurish web page and you expect us


Ad hominem. The right-wing bigot cannot address the actual transcript
and so he whines about the formatting instead.

LOL! I'm not calling you a "bad formatter". I'm calling you a liar.
you expect us to believe a bunch of crap posted to a site called
"whatreallyhappened.com". What a joke.


... you're a stupid *****.

And you are a hate filled potty mouthed liberal.
Democrats, the party of hate and anger.... and potty mouth.
Don't vote for that in November.
.
User: "Ray Fischer"

Title: Re: Bush Lied 28 Jul 2004 11:25:16 AM
Mark Fox <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:

rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<ce7bqa$oe0$1@bolt.sonic.net>...

Mark Fox <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:

America wrote in message news:<1qucg0h3nc5g4vdccbi4urvidfe9nq94hm@4ax.com>...


Here is a transcript of April Glaspie admitting to it. She claimed she
wasn't thinking.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ARTICLE5/april.html

Here we see that the U.S. gave Saddam Hussein a "green light" to invade.

http://csmonitor.com/cgi-bin/durableRedirect.pl?/durable/1999/05/27/p23s
3.htm

I don't suppose you hear much about this on Fox "NEWS."


Good call. Thanks for posting the links.


LOL! You post some words on an amateurish web page and you expect us


Ad hominem. The right-wing bigot cannot address the actual transcript
and so he whines about the formatting instead.


LOL! I'm not calling you a "bad formatter". I'm calling you a liar.

And still you haven't even tried to refute the transcript.
Just a right-wing bigot who cannot handle the truth.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.



User: "America"

Title: Re: Bush Lied 28 Jul 2004 09:34:50 AM
On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 08:11:43 -0700, "David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote:

In article <a258afb5.0407270418.6bb0a130@posting.google.com>, Mark Fox
<mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in message
news:<260720042333159222%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com>...

In article <ce4rgb$l27$1@bolt.sonic.net>, Ray Fischer
<rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote:

Mark Fox <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:

The subject line says "bush lied". How does that tell anyone which
of Saddam's many invasions into innocent sovereign countries you are
talking about?


"Many"? I know of one. Two if you count the war with Iran (in which
Iraq didn't actually invade). How is that different from Bush's
invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq?


And the Kuwaiti "invasion" was due to Kuwaiti's encroaching on the
Iraqi's oil after repeated warning to stop, and the mistaken nod of the
Bush Administration.


Now you try to claim that even the Invasion of Kuwait by Iraq was
Bush's fault? LOL! Are Earthquakes Bush's fault too? ROTFL......


I'm just pointing out that Hussein sought approval from the U.S. to
invade Kuwait and we mistakenly gave it to him. Before the invasion,
the US ambassador to Iraq, April Glaspie, told Saddam Hussein that if
he invaded Iraq, the US would not interfere. It was a reasonable
expectation on Saddam Hussein's part that he would get away with it.

Here is a transcript of April Glaspie admitting to it. She claimed she
wasn't thinking.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ARTICLE5/april.html

Here we see that the U.S. gave Saddam Hussein a "green light" to invade.

http://csmonitor.com/cgi-bin/durableRedirect.pl?/durable/1999/05/27/p23s3.htm

I don't suppose you hear much about this on Fox "NEWS."

Good call. Thanks for posting the links.
Notice that no one has refuted the facts stated about how
Poppy Bush waved Saddam right on into Kuwait.
.
User: "David W. Barnes"

Title: Re: Bush Lied 28 Jul 2004 10:30:07 AM
In article <sc7fg09ltng1r2ip1v82sjf7rt4eiok598@4ax.com>, America wrote:

On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 08:11:43 -0700, "David W. Barnes"
<DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote:

In article <a258afb5.0407270418.6bb0a130@posting.google.com>, Mark Fox
<mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in message
news:<260720042333159222%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com>...

In article <ce4rgb$l27$1@bolt.sonic.net>, Ray Fischer
<rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote:

Mark Fox <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:

The subject line says "bush lied". How does that tell anyone which
of Saddam's many invasions into innocent sovereign countries you are
talking about?


"Many"? I know of one. Two if you count the war with Iran (in which
Iraq didn't actually invade). How is that different from Bush's
invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq?


And the Kuwaiti "invasion" was due to Kuwaiti's encroaching on the
Iraqi's oil after repeated warning to stop, and the mistaken nod of the
Bush Administration.


Now you try to claim that even the Invasion of Kuwait by Iraq was
Bush's fault? LOL! Are Earthquakes Bush's fault too? ROTFL......


I'm just pointing out that Hussein sought approval from the U.S. to
invade Kuwait and we mistakenly gave it to him. Before the invasion,
the US ambassador to Iraq, April Glaspie, told Saddam Hussein that if
he invaded Iraq, the US would not interfere. It was a reasonable
expectation on Saddam Hussein's part that he would get away with it.

Here is a transcript of April Glaspie admitting to it. She claimed she
wasn't thinking.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ARTICLE5/april.html

Here we see that the U.S. gave Saddam Hussein a "green light" to invade.

http://csmonitor.com/cgi-bin/durableRedirect.pl?/durable/1999/05/27/p23s3.htm

I don't suppose you hear much about this on Fox "NEWS."


Good call. Thanks for posting the links.

Notice that no one has refuted the facts stated about how
Poppy Bush waved Saddam right on into Kuwait.

The next thing we need to hear about is how Bush met with the Saudi's
just a day and a half after 15 of their people killed thousands at the
World Trade Center and how he then helped his friends, the Bin Laden's,
get out of the country before an investigation could be conducted.
.
User: "America"

Title: Re: Bush Lied 28 Jul 2004 11:09:25 AM
On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:30:07 -0700, "David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote:

In article <sc7fg09ltng1r2ip1v82sjf7rt4eiok598@4ax.com>, America wrote:

On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 08:11:43 -0700, "David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote:

In article <a258afb5.0407270418.6bb0a130@posting.google.com>, Mark Fox <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in message news:<260720042333159222%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com>...

In article <ce4rgb$l27$1@bolt.sonic.net>, Ray Fischer <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote:

Mark Fox <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:

The subject line says "bush lied". How does that tell anyone which
of Saddam's many invasions into innocent sovereign countries you are
talking about?


"Many"? I know of one. Two if you count the war with Iran (in which
Iraq didn't actually invade). How is that different from Bush's
invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq?


And the Kuwaiti "invasion" was due to Kuwaiti's encroaching on the
Iraqi's oil after repeated warning to stop, and the mistaken nod of the
Bush Administration.


Now you try to claim that even the Invasion of Kuwait by Iraq was
Bush's fault? LOL! Are Earthquakes Bush's fault too? ROTFL......


I'm just pointing out that Hussein sought approval from the U.S. to
invade Kuwait and we mistakenly gave it to him. Before the invasion,
the US ambassador to Iraq, April Glaspie, told Saddam Hussein that if
he invaded Iraq, the US would not interfere. It was a reasonable
expectation on Saddam Hussein's part that he would get away with it.

Here is a transcript of April Glaspie admitting to it. She claimed she
wasn't thinking.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ARTICLE5/april.html

Here we see that the U.S. gave Saddam Hussein a "green light" to invade.

http://csmonitor.com/cgi-bin/durableRedirect.pl?/durable/1999/05/27/p23s3.htm

I don't suppose you hear much about this on Fox "NEWS."


Good call. Thanks for posting the links.

Notice that no one has refuted the facts stated about how
Poppy Bush waved Saddam right on into Kuwait.


The next thing we need to hear about is how Bush met with the Saudi's
just a day and a half after 15 of their people killed thousands at the
World Trade Center and how he then helped his friends, the Bin Laden's,
get out of the country before an investigation could be conducted.

Damn straight.
.







User: "America"

Title: Re: Bush Lied 27 Jul 2004 10:03:22 AM
On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 23:33:15 -0700, "David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote:

In article <ce4rgb$l27$1@bolt.sonic.net>, Ray Fischer <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote:

Mark Fox <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:

The subject line says "bush lied". How does that tell anyone which
of Saddam's many invasions into innocent sovereign countries you are
talking about?


"Many"? I know of one. Two if you count the war with Iran (in which
Iraq didn't actually invade). How is that different from Bush's
invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq?


And the Kuwaiti "invasion" was due to Kuwaiti's encroaching on the
Iraqi's oil after repeated warning to stop, and the mistaken nod of the
Bush Administration.

Exactly: Poppy had April Glaspie wave Saddam right in to Kuwait.
She has since died in a 'mysterious' car accident ...
.

User: "America"

Title: Re: Bush Lied 27 Jul 2004 10:03:22 AM
On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 06:08:11 GMT,
(Ray Fischer) wrote:

Mark Fox <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:

The subject line says "bush lied". How does that tell anyone which
of Saddam's many invasions into innocent sovereign countries you are
talking about?


"Many"? I know of one. Two if you count the war with Iran (in which
Iraq didn't actually invade). How is that different from Bush's
invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq?

Excellent.
.

User: "Adam H."

Title: Re: Bush Lied 26 Jul 2004 09:18:02 PM
On 26 Jul 2004 19:10:18 -0700,
(Mark Fox) wrote:

Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message news:<m0u9g0l17rh44l7qkfkv4uupoa8nqci8pv@4ax.com>...

On 26 Jul 2004 05:18:03 -0700,

(Mark Fox) wrote:

Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message news:<2e69g0d2e7o6jlucqf0sq5epailedijcid@4ax.com>...

On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 04:15:14 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
<roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote:


"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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Is that why those who get their news more from Fox than anywhere

else

were more likely to believe major falsehoods about the invasion of
Iraq?


That wasn't the case.


No, in fact it was.

http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Iraq/Media_10_02_03_Report.pdf

Now, if you want to tell us that there's something wrong with the
study, show us the problems.


The study does not support the assertion, "those who get their news more
from Fox than anywhere else were more likely to believe major falsehoods
about the invasion of Iraq?" The study does not identify a single
falsehood.


Either you didn't read the study and don't know what you are talking
about or you have read it and you are lying.


Wrong. Those are not the only possibilities.

No, from what you wrote below I'd say they're the only ones.



Just *one* of the misperceptions identified was belief that Iraq was
directly involved in the Sept. 11 attacks. There are more,
specifically identified in that PDF link. Come back when you have read
the paper instead of mindlessly regurgitating what Fox tells you.


Ahh, but misperceptions are not falsehoods. The study was presented in an
attempt to illustrate that "those who get their news more from Fox than
anywhere else were more likely to believe major falsehoods about the
invasion of Iraq." FALSEHOODS. Not MISPERCEPTIONS.


There were no major falsehoods about the invasion of Iraq. They are
not false just because you would like to believe it false. You need
to get in touch with reality.


You obviously can't read for content either in this case. Read the
study, find out what it says, then comment on it.




So, those who believed that chemical weapons *had* been used in the
invasion by the Iraqis (one of the misperceptiond identified) were
*not* believing a falsehood?


ROTFL.....

First of all, which "invasion" are you talking about. Saddam had so
many that you need to be much more specific. Talk about major
falsehoods vs misperceptions!!! LOL!


Talk about not being aware of the subjet...


The subject line says "bush lied". How does that tell anyone which
of Saddam's many invasions into innocent sovereign countries you are
talking about?

Now, if you had actually read my posts, you wouldn't have to ask that.
Seeing as you can't be arsed to read my posts, I don't think I can be
arsed to explain them to you.
---
"Question with boldness even the existence of a god;
because, if there be one, he must more approve of
the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."
- Thomas Jefferson
.

User: "Ray Fischer"

Title: Re: Bush Lied 26 Jul 2004 10:35:59 AM
Steven P. McNicoll <roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote:

Just *one* of the misperceptions identified was belief that Iraq was
directly involved in the Sept. 11 attacks. There are more,
specifically identified in that PDF link. Come back when you have read
the paper instead of mindlessly regurgitating what Fox tells you.


Ahh, but misperceptions are not falsehoods. The study was presented in an
attempt to illustrate that "those who get their news more from Fox than
anywhere else were more likely to believe major falsehoods about the
invasion of Iraq." FALSEHOODS. Not MISPERCEPTIONS.

Neocon "morality": It's okay to mislead and deceive people. It's
fine to disseminate propaganda in the guise of news. Just don't get
caught in a specific lie.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.
User: "Steven P. McNicoll"

Title: Re: Bush Lied 26 Jul 2004 04:41:13 PM
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:ce38cu$j1f$1@bolt.sonic.net...


Neocon "morality": It's okay to mislead and deceive people. It's
fine to disseminate propaganda in the guise of news. Just don't get
caught in a specific lie.

What's your point? Fox News does none of that.
.
User: "Ray Fischer"

Title: Re: Bush Lied 27 Jul 2004 01:10:04 AM
Steven P. McNicoll <roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote:

"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message

Neocon "morality": It's okay to mislead and deceive people. It's
fine to disseminate propaganda in the guise of news. Just don't get
caught in a specific lie.


What's your point? Fox News does none of that.

But the evidence has been provided repeatedly that Fox news has indeed
done that.
You, being a right-wing sheep, believe them when they tell you that
they are truthful and balanced. You never bother to think for
yourself.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.



User: "David W. Barnes"

Title: Re: Bush Lied 17 Jul 2004 08:21:52 PM
In article <01jjf01popilubvf3usukrt718jbkghq4q@4ax.com>, Adam H.
<adam@mailinator.com> wrote:

"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 23:47:00 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
<roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote:


"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in message
news:170720041640159242%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com...


Of course not. That's because Fox News doesn't lie or distort and

Fox

News

watchers are better informed than the general public.


They know that, but they have to lie about it. The problem is, Fox

News

has

better ratings, is mor popular with not only conservatives, but with
moderates and Democrats, and they frankly are in a panic now.


More people watch CNN, dummy.


Those that watch Fox are better informed.


Is that why those who get their news more from Fox than anywhere else
were more likely to believe major falsehoods about the invasion of
Iraq?


That wasn't the case.


No, in fact it was.

http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Iraq/Media_10_02_03_Report.pdf

Now, if you want to tell us that there's something wrong with the
study, show us the problems.

The problem is he, like so many others on the Right, doesn't want to
believe it - so it must not be true.
.
User: "Adam H."

Title: Re: Bush Lied 25 Jul 2004 10:50:04 PM
On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 18:21:52 -0700, "David W. Barnes"
<DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote:

In article <01jjf01popilubvf3usukrt718jbkghq4q@4ax.com>, Adam H.
<adam@mailinator.com> wrote:

"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 23:47:00 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
<roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote:


"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in message
news:170720041640159242%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com...


Of course not. That's because Fox News doesn't lie or distort and

Fox

News

watchers are better informed than the general public.


They know that, but they have to lie about it. The problem is, Fox

News

has

better ratings, is mor popular with not only conservatives, but with
moderates and Democrats, and they frankly are in a panic now.


More people watch CNN, dummy.


Those that watch Fox are better informed.


Is that why those who get their news more from Fox than anywhere else
were more likely to believe major falsehoods about the invasion of
Iraq?


That wasn't the case.


No, in fact it was.

http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Iraq/Media_10_02_03_Report.pdf

Now, if you want to tell us that there's something wrong with the
study, show us the problems.


The problem is he, like so many others on the Right, doesn't want to
believe it - so it must not be true.

As you can see in his reply to my previous post - he claims that no
falsehoods were identified in that study. Facts are not his friend.
---
"Question with boldness even the existence of a god;
because, if there be one, he must more approve of
the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."
- Thomas Jefferson
.
User: "Steven P. McNicoll"

Title: Re: Bush Lied 25 Jul 2004 11:26:21 PM
"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 18:21:52 -0700, "David W. Barnes"
<DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote:

In article <01jjf01popilubvf3usukrt718jbkghq4q@4ax.com>, Adam H.
<adam@mailinator.com> wrote:

"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 23:47:00 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
<roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote:


"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in message
news:170720041640159242%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com...


Of course not. That's because Fox News doesn't lie or

distort and

Fox

News

watchers are better informed than the general public.


They know that, but they have to lie about it. The problem is,

Fox

News

has

better ratings, is mor popular with not only conservatives, but

with

moderates and Democrats, and they frankly are in a panic now.


More people watch CNN, dummy.


Those that watch Fox are better informed.


Is that why those who get their news more from Fox than anywhere

else

were more likely to believe major falsehoods about the invasion of
Iraq?


That wasn't the case.


No, in fact it was.

http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Iraq/Media_10_02_03_Report.pdf

Now, if you want to tell us that there's something wrong with the
study, show us the problems.


The problem is he, like so many others on the Right, doesn't want to
believe it - so it must not be true.


As you can see in his reply to my previous post - he claims that no
falsehoods were identified in that study. Facts are not his friend.

Do you believe falsehoods were identified in that study?
.
User: "Adam H."

Title: Re: Bush Lied 26 Jul 2004 12:42:11 AM
On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 04:26:21 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
<roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote:


"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 18:21:52 -0700, "David W. Barnes"
<DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote:

In article <01jjf01popilubvf3usukrt718jbkghq4q@4ax.com>, Adam H.
<adam@mailinator.com> wrote:

"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:vegjf05d88kbk3esd46b9lcpt1pd07v2lu@4ax.com...

On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 23:47:00 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
<roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote:


"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in message
news:170720041640159242%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com...


Of course not. That's because Fox News doesn't lie or

distort and

Fox

News

watchers are better informed than the general public.


They know that, but they have to lie about it. The problem is,

Fox

News

has

better ratings, is mor popular with not only conservatives, but

with

moderates and Democrats, and they frankly are in a panic now.


More people watch CNN, dummy.


Those that watch Fox are better informed.


Is that why those who get their news more from Fox than anywhere

else

were more likely to believe major falsehoods about the invasion of
Iraq?


That wasn't the case.


No, in fact it was.

http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Iraq/Media_10_02_03_Report.pdf

Now, if you want to tell us that there's something wrong with the
study, show us the problems.


The problem is he, like so many others on the Right, doesn't want to
believe it - so it must not be true.


As you can see in his reply to my previous post - he claims that no
falsehoods were identified in that study. Facts are not his friend.


Do you believe falsehoods were identified in that study?

Moving the goalposts. I suggest you go back and read what I've said
about Fox and what the study says about them and those who use Fox as
their main source of news. Do try to stay on track.
---
"Question with boldness even the existence of a god;
because, if there be one, he must more approve of
the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."
- Thomas Jefferson
.
User: "Steven P. McNicoll"

Title: Re: Bush Lied 26 Jul 2004 07:09:49 AM
"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 04:26:21 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
<roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote:


"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 18:21:52 -0700, "David W. Barnes"
<DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote:

In article <01jjf01popilubvf3usukrt718jbkghq4q@4ax.com>, Adam H.
<adam@mailinator.com> wrote:

"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:vegjf05d88kbk3esd46b9lcpt1pd07v2lu@4ax.com...

On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 23:47:00 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
<roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote:


"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in message
news:170720041640159242%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com...


Of course not. That's because Fox News doesn't lie or

distort and

Fox

News

watchers are better informed than the general public.


They know that, but they have to lie about it. The problem

is,

Fox

News

has

better ratings, is mor popular with not only conservatives,

but

with

moderates and Democrats, and they frankly are in a panic

now.


More people watch CNN, dummy.


Those that watch Fox are better informed.


Is that why those who get their news more from Fox than anywhere

else

were more likely to believe major falsehoods about the invasion

of

Iraq?


That wasn't the case.


No, in fact it was.

http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Iraq/Media_10_02_03_Report.pdf

Now, if you want to tell us that there's something wrong with the
study, show us the problems.


The problem is he, like so many others on the Right, doesn't want to
believe it - so it must not be true.


As you can see in his reply to my previous post - he claims that no
falsehoods were identified in that study. Facts are not his friend.


Do you believe falsehoods were identified in that study?


Moving the goalposts. I suggest you go back and read what I've said
about Fox and what the study says about them and those who use Fox as
their main source of news. Do try to stay on track.

I have read and responded to it. Your statements about Fox are incorrect,
the study does not say what you believe.
.
User: "Adam H."

Title: Re: Bush Lied 26 Jul 2004 07:23:49 AM
On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 12:09:49 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
<roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote:


"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 04:26:21 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
<roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote:


"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:upv8g0df0ha54pe5411lhvdigvk2l5j5q5@4ax.com...

On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 18:21:52 -0700, "David W. Barnes"
<DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote:

In article <01jjf01popilubvf3usukrt718jbkghq4q@4ax.com>, Adam H.
<adam@mailinator.com> wrote:

"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:vegjf05d88kbk3esd46b9lcpt1pd07v2lu@4ax.com...

On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 23:47:00 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
<roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote:


"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in message
news:170720041640159242%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com...


Of course not. That's because Fox News doesn't lie or

distort and

Fox

News

watchers are better informed than the general public.


They know that, but they have to lie about it. The problem

is,

Fox

News

has

better ratings, is mor popular with not only conservatives,

but

with

moderates and Democrats, and they frankly are in a panic

now.


More people watch CNN, dummy.


Those that watch Fox are better informed.


Is that why those who get their news more from Fox than anywhere

else

were more likely to believe major falsehoods about the invasion

of

Iraq?


That wasn't the case.


No, in fact it was.

http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Iraq/Media_10_02_03_Report.pdf

Now, if you want to tell us that there's something wrong with the
study, show us the problems.


The problem is he, like so many others on the Right, doesn't want to
believe it - so it must not be true.


As you can see in his reply to my previous post - he claims that no
falsehoods were identified in that study. Facts are not his friend.


Do you believe falsehoods were identified in that study?


Moving the goalposts. I suggest you go back and read what I've said
about Fox and what the study says about them and those who use Fox as
their main source of news. Do try to stay on track.


I have read and responded to it. Your statements about Fox are incorrect,
the study does not say what you believe.

Yes, it does. Those who get their news from Fox are *far* more likely
to believe falsehoods about the invasion.
---
"Question with boldness even the existence of a god;
because, if there be one, he must more approve of
the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."
- Thomas Jefferson
.
User: "Steven P. McNicoll"

Title: Re: Bush Lied 26 Jul 2004 08:05:14 AM
"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 12:09:49 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
<roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote:


"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 04:26:21 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
<roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote:


"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 18:21:52 -0700, "David W. Barnes"
<DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote:

In article <01jjf01popilubvf3usukrt718jbkghq4q@4ax.com>, Adam H.
<adam@mailinator.com> wrote:

"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:vegjf05d88kbk3esd46b9lcpt1pd07v2lu@4ax.com...

On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 23:47:00 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
<roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote:


"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in

message

news:170720041640159242%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com...


Of course not. That's because Fox News doesn't lie or

distort and

Fox

News

watchers are better informed than the general public.


They know that, but they have to lie about it. The

problem

is,

Fox

News

has

better ratings, is mor popular with not only

conservatives,

but

with

moderates and Democrats, and they frankly are in a panic

now.


More people watch CNN, dummy.


Those that watch Fox are better informed.


Is that why those who get their news more from Fox than

anywhere

else

were more likely to believe major falsehoods about the

invasion

of

Iraq?


That wasn't the case.


No, in fact it was.

http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Iraq/Media_10_02_03_Report.pdf

Now, if you want to tell us that there's something wrong with the
study, show us the problems.


The problem is he, like so many others on the Right, doesn't want

to

believe it - so it must not be true.


As you can see in his reply to my previous post - he claims that no
falsehoods were identified in that study. Facts are not his friend.


Do you believe falsehoods were identified in that study?


Moving the goalposts. I suggest you go back and read what I've said
about Fox and what the study says about them and those who use Fox as
their main source of news. Do try to stay on track.


I have read and responded to it. Your statements about Fox are

incorrect,

the study does not say what you believe.


Yes, it does. Those who get their news from Fox are *far* more likely
to believe falsehoods about the invasion.

What falsehoods?
.
User: "Elmo"

Title: Re: Bush Lied 26 Jul 2004 09:30:56 PM
In article <ek7Nc.14050$iK.5997@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Steven P. McNicoll <roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote:

"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 12:09:49 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
<roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote:


"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 04:26:21 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
<roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote:


"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 18:21:52 -0700, "David W. Barnes"
<DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote:

In article <01jjf01popilubvf3usukrt718jbkghq4q@4ax.com>, Adam H.
<adam@mailinator.com> wrote:

"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 23:47:00 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
<roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote:


"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in

message

news:170720041640159242%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com...


Of course not. That's because Fox News doesn't lie or

distort and

Fox

News

watchers are better informed than the general public.


They know that, but they have to lie about it. The

problem

is,

Fox

News

has

better ratings, is mor popular with not only

conservatives,

but

with

moderates and Democrats, and they frankly are in a panic

now.


More people watch CNN, dummy.


Those that watch Fox are better informed.


Is that why those who get their news more from Fox than

anywhere

else

were more likely to believe major falsehoods about the

invasion

of

Iraq?


That wasn't the case.


No, in fact it was.

http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Iraq/Media_10_02_03_Report.pdf

Now, if you want to tell us that there's something wrong with the
study, show us the problems.


The problem is he, like so many others on the Right, doesn't want

to

believe it - so it must not be true.


As you can see in his reply to my previous post - he claims that no
falsehoods were identified in that study. Facts are not his friend.


Do you believe falsehoods were identified in that study?


Moving the goalposts. I suggest you go back and read what I've said
about Fox and what the study says about them and those who use Fox as
their main source of news. Do try to stay on track.


I have read and responded to it. Your statements about Fox are

incorrect,

the study does not say what you believe.


Yes, it does. Those who get their news from Fox are *far* more likely
to believe falsehoods about the invasion.


What falsehoods?

To be clear. Are you saying Fox News doesn't lie?
.
User: "Steven P. McNicoll"

Title: Re: Bush Lied 26 Jul 2004 10:10:27 PM
"Elmo" <anto@sales.com> wrote in message
news:260720041930561360%anto@sales.com...

In article <ek7Nc.14050$iK.5997@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Steven P. McNicoll <roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote:

"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 12:09:49 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
<roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote:


"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 04:26:21 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
<roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote:


"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 18:21:52 -0700, "David W. Barnes"
<DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote:

In article <01jjf01popilubvf3usukrt718jbkghq4q@4ax.com>, Adam

H.

<adam@mailinator.com> wrote:

"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 23:47:00 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
<roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote:


"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in

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Of course not. That's because Fox News doesn't

lie or

distort and

Fox

News

watchers are better informed than the general

public.


They know that, but they have to lie about it. The

problem

is,

Fox

News

has

better ratings, is mor popular with not only

conservatives,

but

with

moderates and Democrats, and they frankly are in a

panic

now.


More people watch CNN, dummy.


Those that watch Fox are better informed.


Is that why those who get their news more from Fox than

anywhere

else

were more likely to believe major falsehoods about the

invasion

of

Iraq?


That wasn't the case.


No, in fact it was.


http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Iraq/Media_10_02_03_Report.pdf


Now, if you want to tell us that there's something wrong with

the

study, show us the problems.


The problem is he, like so many others on the Right, doesn't

want

to

believe it - so it must not be true.


As you can see in his reply to my previous post - he claims that

no

falsehoods were identified in that study. Facts are not his

friend.



Do you believe falsehoods were identified in that study?


Moving the goalposts. I suggest you go back and read what I've said
about Fox and what the study says about them and those who use Fox

as

their main source of news. Do try to stay on track.


I have read and responded to it. Your statements about Fox are

incorrect,

the study does not say what you believe.


Yes, it does. Those who get their news from Fox are *far* more likely
to believe falsehoods about the invasion.


What falsehoods?


To be clear. Are you saying Fox News doesn't lie?

Yup.
.
User: "David W. Barnes"

Title: Re: Bush Lied 27 Jul 2004 09:16:15 PM
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<roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote:


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Of course not. That's because Fox News doesn't

lie or

distort and

Fox

News

watchers are better informed than the general

public.


They know that, but they have to lie about it. The

problem

is,

Fox

News

has

better ratings, is mor popular with not only

conservatives,

but

with

moderates and Democrats, and they frankly are in a

panic

now.


More people watch CNN, dummy.


Those that watch Fox are better informed.


Is that why those who get their news more from Fox than

anywhere

else

were more likely to believe major falsehoods about the

invasion

of

Iraq?


That wasn't the case.


No, in fact it was.


http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Iraq/Media_10_02_03_Report.pdf


Now, if you want to tell us that there's something wrong with

the

study, show us the problems.


The problem is he, like so many others on the Right, doesn't

want

to

believe it - so it must not be true.


As you can see in his reply to my previous post - he claims that

no

falsehoods were identified in that study. Facts are not his

friend.



Do you believe falsehoods were identified in that study?


Moving the goalposts. I suggest you go back and read what I've said
about Fox and what the study says about them and those who use Fox

as

their main source of news. Do try to stay on track.


I have read and responded to it. Your statements about Fox are

incorrect,

the study does not say what you believe.


Yes, it does. Those who get their news from Fox are *far* more likely
to believe falsehoods about the invasion.


What falsehoods?


To be clear. Are you saying Fox News doesn't lie?


Yup.

Big on that whole denial thing, aren't you?
Bill O'Reilly, on Fox "NEWS", claimed "The shut up line has only been
used once is six minutes."
Proof it is a lie: http://www.moveon.org/fox/
Click on the image of Bill O'Reilly. You will hear him make this claim
(a lie) and then he will say it over and over again.
The real issue now is, "will you simply deny it, or will you try to
spin it?" Because we know you won't accept it.
Here are a few more for you to deny:
Fox News correspondent Brian Wilson claimed, "A lot of people are doing
their taxes right now and seeing the benefits of that kind of tax cuts
that's in the system. Last time, everybody will have to agree, it did
generate quite a little bump in the economy." He said this despite Fox
News' own September 2003 poll showed that 61 percent of Americans
believed tax cuts have not helped their families finances, and a
January New York Times poll finding "fewer than one in five people said
their tax burden had been eased." [Fox reporter Brian Wilson, 3/5/04;
FOX Poll, 9/23-24; NY Times, 1/18/04]
Fox's Sean Hannity claimed "We now have documents proving the
connection between al Qaeda and Iraq but that's not enough to convince
people. We had weapons dumped in the Euphrates. That's not enough to
convince people." He produced no evidence of his assertions, and they
have never been substantiated. The White House says there was never a
connection. [Fox host Sean Hannity, 4/28/03]
And of course:
1. WMD
HANNITY: "You're not listening, Susan. You've got to learn something.
He had weapons of mass destruction. He promised to disclose them. And
he didn't do it. You would have let him go free; we decided to hold him
accountable." (4/13/04)
FACT: Hannity's assertion comes more than six months after Bush
Administration weapons inspector David Kay testified his inspection
team had "not uncovered evidence that Iraq undertook significant
post-1998 steps to actually build nuclear weapons or produce fissile
material" and had not discovered any chemical or biological weapons. 
(Bush Administration Weapons Inspector David Kay, 10/2/03)
2. Colin Powell on Iraq
HANNITY: "Colin Powell just had a great piece that he had in the paper
today. He was there [in Iraq]. He said things couldn't have been
better." (9/19/03)
FACT: "Iraq has come very far, but serious problems remain, starting
with security. American commanders and troops told me of the many
threats they face--from leftover loyalists who want to return Iraq to
the dark days of Saddam, from criminals who were set loose on Iraqi
society when Saddam emptied the jails and, increasingly, from outside
terrorists who have come to Iraq to open a new front in their campaign
against the civilized world." (Colin Powell, 9/19/03)
3. Saddam/Al-Qaeda Connection
HANNITY: "And in northern Iraq today, this very day, al Qaeda is
operating camps there, and they are attacking the Kurds in the north,
and this has been well-documented and well chronicled. Now, if you're
going to go after al Qaeda in every aspect, and obviously they have the
support of Saddam, or we're not." (12/9/02)
FACT: David Kay was on the ground for months investigating the
activities of Hussein's regime. He concluded "But we simply did not
find any evidence of extensive links with Al Qaeda, or for that matter
any real links at all." He called a speech where Cheney made the claim
there was a link "evidence free." (Boston Globe, 6/16/04)
4. 9/11 Investigation
HANNITY: "[After 9-11], liberal Democrats at first showed little
interest in the investigation of the roots of this massive intelligence
failure...[Bush and his team] made it clear that determining the causes
of America's security failures and finding and remedying its weak
points would be central to their mission." (Let Freedom Ring, by Sean
Hannity)
TRUTH: Bush Opposed the creation of a special commission to probe the
causes of 9/11 for over a year. On 5/23/02 CBS New Reported "President
Bush took a few minutes during his trip to Europe Thursday to voice his
opposition to establishing a special commission to probe how the
government dealt with terror warnings before Sept. 11." Bush didn't
relent to pressure to create a commission, mostly from those Hannity
would consider "liberal" until September 2002. (CBS News, 5/23/02; ABC
News, 9/20/02)
5. The Recession
HANNITY: "First of all, this president -- you know and I know and
everybody knows -- inherited a recession...it was by every definition a
recession" (11/6/02)
HANNITY: "Now here's where we are. The inherited Clinton/Gore
recession. That's a fact." (5/6/03)
HANNITY: "The president inherited a recession." (7/10/03)
HANNITY: "He got us out of the Clinton-Gore recession." (10/23/03)
HANNITY: "They did inherit the recession. They did inherit the
recession. We got out of the recession." (12/12/03)
HANNITY: "And th