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"Cracklin" |
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26 Jul 2005 01:15:13 PM |
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Pope and abortion |
Pope Pius IX in 1869 extended punishment of excommunication for the
abortion of an embryo at any age. In 1951, Pius XII restated the
principle, saying: “Every human being, even the child in the mother’s
womb, receives its right to life directly from God, not from its
parents.” Speaking in Kenya in 1985, John Paul II bluntly declared:
“Actions such as contraception and abortion are wrong.”
Many Catholics today, however, maintain that such an attitude is out of
date and must be revised. As a result, Roman Catholics are divided over
the issue.
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| User: "Michael The Archangel" |
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| Title: Re: Pope and abortion |
31 Jul 2005 09:35:12 AM |
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Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
The fact that any money at all is put toward faith based programs
offends me. Even one cent.
+ Let me double my contribution today.
+ I love to see your face turn red.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Pope and abortion |
31 Jul 2005 12:29:02 PM |
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Michael The Archangel <defender@cath.org> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
The fact that any money at all is put toward faith based programs
offends me. Even one cent.
+ Let me double my contribution today.
+ I love to see your face turn red.
Better to spend money defending pedophile priests than spend even a
cent to save the life of a starving child, right?
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Sneekers" |
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| Title: Re: Pope and abortion |
31 Jul 2005 09:44:16 AM |
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On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 10:35:12 -0400, Michael The Archangel
<defender@cath.org> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
The fact that any money at all is put toward faith based programs
offends me. Even one cent.
+ Let me double my contribution today.
How about to mothers whose babies you demand be born, to pay for these
babies?
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| User: "Michael The Archangel" |
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01 Aug 2005 06:55:33 PM |
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Sneekers <coadviolators@mail.com> wrote:
The fact that any money at all is put toward faith based programs
offends me. Even one cent.
+ Let me double my contribution today.
How about to mothers whose babies you demand be born, to pay for these
babies?
+ You mean the Elizabeth New Life Center?
+ Would you like their web page?
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| User: "Sneekers" |
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07 Aug 2005 06:37:16 AM |
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It's loaded with disinformation, for one.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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30 Jul 2005 07:43:02 AM |
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On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 08:37:18 -0400, Michael The Archangel
<defender@cath.org> wrote:
+ My main complaint is that my tax money should never be put towards
the abortion of some child. Since I don't believe in murdering
children, states shouldn't pay for abortions for welfare mothers. To
me, this is wrong. Just as it is wrong to subsidize welfare mothers
from purchasing liquor and cigarettes with welfare money. If they
wish to indulge in such sinful activities, they should pay for it with
money they earn themselves. And, you will find that many states
agreed with these thoughts.
Nobody is murdering children, so stop lying.
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| User: "Michael The Archangel" |
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30 Jul 2005 02:59:10 PM |
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Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 08:37:18 -0400, Michael The Archangel
<defender@cath.org> wrote:
+ My main complaint is that my tax money should never be put towards
the abortion of some child. Since I don't believe in murdering
children, states shouldn't pay for abortions for welfare mothers. To
me, this is wrong. Just as it is wrong to subsidize welfare mothers
from purchasing liquor and cigarettes with welfare money. If they
wish to indulge in such sinful activities, they should pay for it with
money they earn themselves. And, you will find that many states
agreed with these thoughts.
Nobody is murdering children, so stop lying.
+ There are 40 million less children today than there would have been
if Abortion (murder) had not been legalized and made a normal
choice for lazy, inadvertant mothers who might be inconvenienced by a
child hanging around.
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| User: "Licentia Poetica" |
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30 Jul 2005 03:42:01 PM |
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"Michael The Archangel" <defender@cath.org> wrote in message
news:usmne1trv894j13ugo5gndckgk50o7693n@4ax.com...
Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 08:37:18 -0400, Michael The Archangel
<defender@cath.org> wrote:
+ My main complaint is that my tax money should never be put towards
the abortion of some child. Since I don't believe in murdering
children, states shouldn't pay for abortions for welfare mothers. To
me, this is wrong. Just as it is wrong to subsidize welfare mothers
from purchasing liquor and cigarettes with welfare money. If they
wish to indulge in such sinful activities, they should pay for it with
money they earn themselves. And, you will find that many states
agreed with these thoughts.
Nobody is murdering children, so stop lying.
+ There are 40 million less children today than there would have been
if Abortion (murder) had not been legalized and made a normal
choice for lazy, inadvertant mothers who might be inconvenienced by a
child hanging around.
The more the merrier? Maybe you should do more to take care of the many
unwanted, homeless, unloved, abused and abandoned children we already have
hanging around. Neither is our society invested in properly educating the
children we have. Are you doing anything to change that?
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| User: "Michael The Archangel" |
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31 Jul 2005 09:29:08 AM |
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Licentia Poetica" <poet@dontknowit.org> wrote:
The more the merrier? Maybe you should do more to take care of the many
unwanted, homeless, unloved, abused and abandoned children we already have
hanging around. Neither is our society invested in properly educating the
children we have. Are you doing anything to change that?
+ Yes.
+ Next....
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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31 Jul 2005 06:37:12 PM |
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Michael The Archangel <defender@cath.org> writes:
Licentia Poetica" <poet@dontknowit.org> wrote:
The more the merrier? Maybe you should do more to take care of the many
unwanted, homeless, unloved, abused and abandoned children we already have
hanging around. Neither is our society invested in properly educating the
children we have. Are you doing anything to change that?
Yes. Next....
I hope it's not for the RCC...given the number of priests that have been
gigged for molesting children. At least we'll never have to worry about a
Pope Barker, in any case.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Chicago 5, Houston 3 (April 26)
NEXT GAME: Date/opponent/site TBA in August 2005
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| User: "Sneekers" |
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31 Jul 2005 09:39:56 AM |
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On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 10:29:08 -0400, Michael The Archangel
<defender@cath.org> wrote:
Licentia Poetica" <poet@dontknowit.org> wrote:
The more the merrier? Maybe you should do more to take care of the many
unwanted, homeless, unloved, abused and abandoned children we already have
hanging around. Neither is our society invested in properly educating the
children we have. Are you doing anything to change that?
+ Yes.
+ Next....
You're spending a lot of time whining here, though.
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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30 Jul 2005 05:20:23 PM |
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In alt.atheism On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 15:59:10 -0400, Michael The
Archangel <defender@cath.org> let us all know that:
Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 08:37:18 -0400, Michael The Archangel
<defender@cath.org> wrote:
+ My main complaint is that my tax money should never be put towards
the abortion of some child. Since I don't believe in murdering
children, states shouldn't pay for abortions for welfare mothers. To
me, this is wrong. Just as it is wrong to subsidize welfare mothers
from purchasing liquor and cigarettes with welfare money. If they
wish to indulge in such sinful activities, they should pay for it with
money they earn themselves. And, you will find that many states
agreed with these thoughts.
Nobody is murdering children, so stop lying.
+ There are 40 million less children today than there would have been
if Abortion (murder) had not been legalized and made a normal
choice for lazy, inadvertant mothers who might be inconvenienced by a
child hanging around.
Hasty generalization (assuming all abortions are done for
convenience), special pleading (attributing some emotive to the
argument), poisoning the well (assuming that the woman is lazy).
Wow--you sure know how to use fallacies.
Don
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| User: "Michael The Archangel" |
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31 Jul 2005 09:30:34 AM |
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Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
, Michael The>Archangel <defender@cath.org> let us all know that:
+ There are 40 million less children today than there would have been
if Abortion (murder) had not been legalized and made a normal
choice for lazy, inadvertant mothers who might be inconvenienced by a
child hanging around.
Hasty generalization (assuming all abortions are done for
convenience), special pleading (attributing some emotive to the
argument), poisoning the well (assuming that the woman is lazy).
Wow--you sure know how to use fallacies.
+ I also know how to use up-to-date facts:
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/abreasons.html
Reasons given for having abortions in the United States
by Wm. Robert Johnston
last updated 13 July 2005
Summary: This report reviews available statistics regarding reasons
given for obtaining abortions in the United States, including surveys
by the Alan Guttmacher Institute and data from seven state
health/statistics agencies that report relevant statistics (Arizona,
Florida, Louisiana, Minnesota, Nebraska, South Dakota, and Utah). The
official data imply that AGI claims regarding "hard case" abortions
are inflated by roughly a factor of three. Actual percentage of U.S.
abortions in "hard cases" are estimated as follows: in cases of rape
or incest, 0.3%; in cases of risk to maternal health or life, 1%; and
in cases of fetal abnormality, 0.5%. About 98% of abortions in the
United States are elective, including socio-economic reasons or for
birth control. This includes about 25% for primarily economic reasons.
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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31 Jul 2005 07:43:23 PM |
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In alt.atheism On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 10:30:34 -0400, Michael The
Archangel <defender@cath.org> let us all know that:
Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
, Michael The>Archangel <defender@cath.org> let us all know that:
+ There are 40 million less children today than there would have been
if Abortion (murder) had not been legalized and made a normal
choice for lazy, inadvertant mothers who might be inconvenienced by a
child hanging around.
Hasty generalization (assuming all abortions are done for
convenience), special pleading (attributing some emotive to the
argument), poisoning the well (assuming that the woman is lazy).
Wow--you sure know how to use fallacies.
+ I also know how to use up-to-date facts:
No, you know how to use emotive pleas and logical fallacies.
Don
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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31 Jul 2005 12:25:58 PM |
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Michael The Archangel <defender@cath.org> wrote:
Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
, Michael The>Archangel <defender@cath.org> let us all know that:
+ There are 40 million less children today than there would have been
if Abortion (murder) had not been legalized and made a normal
choice for lazy, inadvertant mothers who might be inconvenienced by a
child hanging around.
Hasty generalization (assuming all abortions are done for
convenience), special pleading (attributing some emotive to the
argument), poisoning the well (assuming that the woman is lazy).
Wow--you sure know how to use fallacies.
+ I also know how to use up-to-date facts:
No, you don't. You know how to blindly accept whatever propaganda you
want to believe in.
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/abreasons.html
Reasons given for having abortions in the United States
by Wm. Robert Johnston
Johnston's training is in aerospace. As he writes:
My field is space physics, in particular the study of the space
environment near the Earth. I am just beginning research here,
involving aspects of the Earth's ionosphere and magnetosphere. My
first project is related to analysis of data from DMSP satellites.
That makes him rather less than an authority on abortion.
But don't let the facts get in the way of your hate.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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31 Jul 2005 12:58:43 PM |
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Michael The Archangel <defender@cath.org> wrote in
news:42ope1hnthheii11vsoerup6frqnes5mj9@4ax.com:
Reasons given for having abortions in the United States
reasons aren't relevant.
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| User: "Natalie Clifford Barney" |
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31 Jul 2005 11:19:59 AM |
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Michael The Archangel wrote:
Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
, Michael The>Archangel <defender@cath.org> let us all know that:
+ There are 40 million less children today than there would have been
if Abortion (murder) had not been legalized and made a normal
choice for lazy, inadvertant mothers who might be inconvenienced by a
child hanging around.
Hasty generalization (assuming all abortions are done for
convenience), special pleading (attributing some emotive to the
argument), poisoning the well (assuming that the woman is lazy).
Wow--you sure know how to use fallacies.
+ I also know how to use up-to-date facts:
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/abreasons.html
Reasons given for having abortions in the United States
by Wm. Robert Johnston
last updated 13 July 2005
Summary: This report reviews available statistics regarding reasons
given for obtaining abortions in the United States, including surveys
by the Alan Guttmacher Institute and data from seven state
health/statistics agencies that report relevant statistics (Arizona,
Florida, Louisiana, Minnesota, Nebraska, South Dakota, and Utah). The
official data imply that AGI claims regarding "hard case" abortions
are inflated by roughly a factor of three. Actual percentage of U.S.
abortions in "hard cases" are estimated as follows: in cases of rape
or incest, 0.3%; in cases of risk to maternal health or life, 1%; and
in cases of fetal abnormality, 0.5%. About 98% of abortions in the
United States are elective, including socio-economic reasons or for
birth control. This includes about 25% for primarily economic reasons.
I find no record of a major academician named william robert johnson
--
Natalie Clifford Barney
Le membre de L' Academie des Femmes
One of the Lesbian Immortals of the Left Bank
We never die....
"If too little of the love I invoke appears in this book, it is because I
have better spent it elsewhere. Here there remain only fragments."
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| User: "Michael The Archangel" |
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01 Aug 2005 06:47:54 PM |
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atalie Clifford Barney <SalonHostess@20RueJacob.fr> wrote:
Michael The Archangel wrote:
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/abreasons.html
Reasons given for having abortions in the United States
by Wm. Robert Johnston
last updated 13 July 2005
Summary: This report reviews available statistics regarding reasons
given for obtaining abortions in the United States, including surveys
by the Alan Guttmacher Institute and data from seven state
health/statistics agencies that report relevant statistics (Arizona,
Florida, Louisiana, Minnesota, Nebraska, South Dakota, and Utah). The
official data imply that AGI claims regarding "hard case" abortions
are inflated by roughly a factor of three. Actual percentage of U.S.
abortions in "hard cases" are estimated as follows: in cases of rape
or incest, 0.3%; in cases of risk to maternal health or life, 1%; and
in cases of fetal abnormality, 0.5%. About 98% of abortions in the
United States are elective, including socio-economic reasons or for
birth control. This includes about 25% for primarily economic reasons.
I find no record of a major academician named william robert johnson
+ So?
+ Are you one?
+ Does one have to be a major academician in order to compile facts
and write an article?
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| User: "Natalie Clifford Barney" |
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01 Aug 2005 08:15:52 PM |
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Michael The Archangel wrote:
atalie Clifford Barney <SalonHostess@20RueJacob.fr> wrote:
Michael The Archangel wrote:
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/abreasons.html
Reasons given for having abortions in the United States
by Wm. Robert Johnston
last updated 13 July 2005
Summary: This report reviews available statistics regarding reasons
given for obtaining abortions in the United States, including surveys
by the Alan Guttmacher Institute and data from seven state
health/statistics agencies that report relevant statistics (Arizona,
Florida, Louisiana, Minnesota, Nebraska, South Dakota, and Utah). The
official data imply that AGI claims regarding "hard case" abortions
are inflated by roughly a factor of three. Actual percentage of U.S.
abortions in "hard cases" are estimated as follows: in cases of rape
or incest, 0.3%; in cases of risk to maternal health or life, 1%; and
in cases of fetal abnormality, 0.5%. About 98% of abortions in the
United States are elective, including socio-economic reasons or for
birth control. This includes about 25% for primarily economic reasons.
I find no record of a major academician named william robert johnson
+ So?
+ Are you one?
Yes, In fact.
I do research for two pharmaceutical firms.
I hold clinical assistant professorships.
+ Does one have to be a major academician in order to compile facts
and write an article?
To compile a reputable one, yes. Were I to write a cardiology article, some
might look askance.....
--
Natalie Clifford Barney
Le membre de L' Academie des Femmes
One of the Lesbian Immortals of the Left Bank
We never die....
"If too little of the love I invoke appears in this book, it is because I
have better spent it elsewhere. Here there remain only fragments."
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30 Jul 2005 06:05:35 PM |
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Michael The Archangel <defender@cath.org> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 08:37:18 -0400, Michael The Archangel
<defender@cath.org> wrote:
+ My main complaint is that my tax money should never be put towards
the abortion of some child. Since I don't believe in murdering
children, states shouldn't pay for abortions for welfare mothers. To
me, this is wrong. Just as it is wrong to subsidize welfare mothers
from purchasing liquor and cigarettes with welfare money. If they
wish to indulge in such sinful activities, they should pay for it with
money they earn themselves. And, you will find that many states
agreed with these thoughts.
Nobody is murdering children, so stop lying.
+ There are 40 million less children today than there would have been
In fact women who get abortion typically have children later in life.
if Abortion (murder) had not been legalized and made a normal
YOu're a liar. aboriton is not and never has been murder.
choice for lazy, inadvertant mothers who might be inconvenienced by a
child hanging around.
So you just hate women and want them to suffer.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Michael The Archangel" |
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31 Jul 2005 09:34:17 AM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote:
Michael The Archangel <defender@cath.org> wrote:
+ There are 40 million less children today than there would have been
In fact women who get abortion typically have children later in life.
+ So?
+ Does that change the fact that there have been 40 M + abortions in
the last 30+ years in America?
if Abortion (murder) had not been legalized and made a normal
YOu're a liar. aboriton is not and never has been murder.
+ Keep saying this.
+ It's your story.
+ Stick to it.
choice for lazy, inadvertant mothers who might be inconvenienced by a
child hanging around.
So you just hate women and want them to suffer.
+ I don't hate anyone.
+ I don't particularly like lazy women who kill their kids.
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| User: "Alison" |
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01 Aug 2005 10:39:43 AM |
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In <b7ope11onu4kcsqbfq64bvuo7v2ghpslb0@4ax.com> Michael The Archangel wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
So you just hate women and want them to suffer.
+ I don't hate anyone.
+ I don't particularly like lazy women who kill their kids.
Let's be honest, Patrick - you just hate women.
-- Ali
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01 Aug 2005 06:54:14 PM |
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Alison <cooties@mac[spam].com> wrote:
Let's be honest, Patrick - you just hate women.
+ Not all women, hon.
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01 Aug 2005 10:21:14 PM |
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Michael The Archangel <defender@cath.org> writes:
Alison <cooties@mac[spam].com> wrote:
Let's be honest, Patrick - you just hate women.
Not all women, hon.
Just the ones who insist on having opinions you don't permit. Too bad you're
140 years too late for slavery in this country.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Chicago 5, Houston 3 (April 26)
NEXT GAME: Date/opponent/site TBA in August 2005
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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31 Jul 2005 12:28:14 PM |
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Michael The Archangel <defender@cath.org> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Michael The Archangel <defender@cath.org> wrote:
+ There are 40 million less children today than there would have been
In fact women who get abortion typically have children later in life.
+ So?
If a woman is goinf to have two children then it doesn't matter how
many aboritons she has. The result is two children.
+ Does that change the fact that there have been 40 M + abortions in
the last 30+ years in America?
Changing your claims, pro-liar?
if Abortion (murder) had not been legalized and made a normal
You're a liar. aboriton is not and never has been murder.
+ Keep saying this.
Keep lying. It'll show how corrupt and immoral the anti-abotion
ideology is.
choice for lazy, inadvertant mothers who might be inconvenienced by a
child hanging around.
So you just hate women and want them to suffer.
+ I don't hate anyone.
+ I don't particularly like lazy women who kill their kids.
LOL! Not only do you hate people, you're too dishonest to tell the
truth even to yourself. And you're so stupid that you contradict
yourself over the space of two lines of text.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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31 Jul 2005 06:42:48 PM |
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Michael The Archangel <defender@cath.org> writes:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Michael The Archangel <defender@cath.org> wrote:
There are 40 million less children today than there would have been
In fact women who get abortion typically have children later in life.
So? Does that change the fact that there have been 40 M abortions in the
last 30years in America?
So? We've got enough trouble with 295 million in this country now, and you're
whining because it's not 14% more?
if Abortion (murder) had not been legalized and made a normal
YOu're a liar. aboriton is not and never has been murder.
Keep saying this. It's your story. Stick to it.
Women have never been prosecuted for murder for abortion, in this country.
That should tell even you something.
choice for lazy, inadvertant mothers who might be inconvenienced by a
child hanging around.
So you just hate women and want them to suffer.
I don't hate anyone.
You're an incompetent liar, Mister Barker.
I don't particularly like lazy women who kill their kids.
You don't like anyone who refuses to let you control them. ***** off, git.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Chicago 5, Houston 3 (April 26)
NEXT GAME: Date/opponent/site TBA in August 2005
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31 Jul 2005 05:35:28 PM |
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Michael The Archangel wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Michael The Archangel <defender@cath.org> wrote:
+ There are 40 million less children today than there would have been
In fact women who get abortion typically have children later in life.
+ So?
+ Does that change the fact that there have been 40 M + abortions in
the last 30+ years in America?
Are you counting the 40% of all pregnancies that are spontaneously and
naturally aborted in this number?
if Abortion (murder) had not been legalized and made a normal
YOu're a liar. aboriton is not and never has been murder.
+ Keep saying this.
+ It's your story.
+ Stick to it.
Murder, in the United States, is a legal term.
choice for lazy, inadvertant mothers who might be inconvenienced by a
child hanging around.
So you just hate women and want them to suffer.
+ I don't hate anyone.
+ I don't particularly like lazy women who kill their kids.
I hate women that kill their kids. Thankfully, the term "kid" is only
used to denote that which is already separated from the mother.
Susan Smith killed her kids. My mother did not.
--
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* "No one ever demonstrated, so far as I am aware, *
* the non-existence of Zeus or Thor - but they *
* have few followers now." Arthur C. Clarke *
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| User: "Michael The Archangel" |
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| Title: Re: Pope and abortion |
01 Aug 2005 06:53:26 PM |
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DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
+ Does that change the fact that there have been 40 M + abortions in
the last 30+ years in America?
Are you counting the 40% of all pregnancies that are spontaneously and
naturally aborted in this number?
+ Nope.
+ I am talking about clinics set up to murder fetuses.
+ I'm talking about those lazy mothers who find a child would
inconvenience them somehow and therefore elect to walk into a building
with a child in her belly, and pay some money and walk aout alone.
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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| Title: Re: Pope and abortion |
01 Aug 2005 08:41:51 PM |
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In alt.atheism On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 19:53:26 -0400, Michael The
Archangel <defender@cath.org> let us all know that:
DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
+ Does that change the fact that there have been 40 M + abortions in
the last 30+ years in America?
Are you counting the 40% of all pregnancies that are spontaneously and
naturally aborted in this number?
+ Nope.
+ I am talking about clinics set up to murder fetuses.
No such clinics exist.
+ I'm talking about those lazy mothers who find a child would
inconvenience them somehow and therefore elect to walk into a building
with a child in her belly, and pay some money and walk aout alone.
Oh--so you're talking about the woman wanting to own her body,
and you not liking that. You're talking about thinking of woman as
only good for breeding--like cattle.
Don
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| User: "Michael The Archangel" |
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| Title: Re: Pope and abortion |
02 Aug 2005 06:24:20 AM |
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Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
+ Does that change the fact that there have been 40 M + abortions in
the last 30+ years in America?
Are you counting the 40% of all pregnancies that are spontaneously and
naturally aborted in this number?
+ Nope.
+ I am talking about clinics set up to murder fetuses.
No such clinics exist.
1401 East Stroop, Kettering, Ohio
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