"Gay Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message

"Natalie Clifford Barney" <SalonHostess@20RueJacob.fr> wrote in message
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JimR wrote:

"Darklady" <darklady@darklady.com> wrote in message

Actually, polls continually show that while not all Americans
support abortion, particularly later in pregnancy, they do support
choice.

I certainly do. But I think it would be a lot better if all those horny
fukkers out there would exercise the slightest bit of adult intelligence
and
use birth control. Jesus, it is so readily available that it seems a
crime
to not use *something*. What is the big deal--why does everyone seem to
focus on pregnancy termination rather than prevention?

Availability of birth control in certain rural areas is limited by the
pharmacists "morals" in the same fashion that congress now holds up the
HPV
vaccine.

Jim, women's bodies and the issues surrounding them are the province of
women.
Men ought not arrogate to themselves the power to make our decisions.

That does not address the problem that *some* women create for themselves,
by failing to take more responsibility when they have sex. Even if we set
aside those women in areas where contraception may be difficult to obtain,
how do you explain why so many of them *allow* themselves to get pregnant in
urban areas? Jeez, here in Philly one can get all sorts of things,
virtually anywhere, over the counter, at places like 7-11. Pharmacies are
plentiful. Hospitals, clinics and private physicians are everywhere here.
So what is the reason for all these unplanned pregnancies?

If I were a woman, I'd just do what I had to do to get and use the
contraception I needed. End of story. No tears, no scenes.

Doesn't anybody believe in being the slightest bit responsible these days?
What is such a big deal about acting like an adult, rather than a silly
child? And why all this sympathy toward those morons that acted
irresponsibly?

Maybe the problem is that someone ought to tell them to grow the hell up,
because in those areas where contraceptives are readily available, there is
just no reason for large numbers of women to allow themselves to get
pregnant if they *really* don't want to.

It doesn't resolve the abortion debate, to be sure, but things would be
better is some people would just, plain, "grow-the-hell-up!"

"Natalie Clifford Barney" <SalonHostess@20RueJacob.fr> wrote in message
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JimR wrote:

"Darklady" <darklady@darklady.com> wrote in message

Actually, polls continually show that while not all Americans
support abortion, particularly later in pregnancy, they do support
choice.

I certainly do. But I think it would be a lot better if all those horny
fukkers out there would exercise the slightest bit of adult intelligence
and
use birth control. Jesus, it is so readily available that it seems a
crime
to not use *something*. What is the big deal--why does everyone seem to
focus on pregnancy termination rather than prevention?

Availability of birth control in certain rural areas is limited by the
pharmacists "morals" in the same fashion that congress now holds up the
HPV
vaccine.

Jim, women's bodies and the issues surrounding them are the province of
women.
Men ought not arrogate to themselves the power to make our decisions.

That does not address the problem that *some* women create for themselves,
by failing to take more responsibility when they have sex. Even if we set
aside those women in areas where contraception may be difficult to obtain,
how do you explain why so many of them *allow* themselves to get pregnant in
urban areas? Jeez, here in Philly one can get all sorts of things,
virtually anywhere, over the counter, at places like 7-11. Pharmacies are
plentiful. Hospitals, clinics and private physicians are everywhere here.
So what is the reason for all these unplanned pregnancies?

If I were a woman, I'd just do what I had to do to get and use the
contraception I needed. End of story. No tears, no scenes.

Doesn't anybody believe in being the slightest bit responsible these days?

What is such a big deal about acting like an adult, rather than a silly
child? And why all this sympathy toward those morons that acted
irresponsibly?

Maybe the problem is that someone ought to tell them to grow the hell up,
because in those areas where contraceptives are readily available, there is
just no reason for large numbers of women to allow themselves to get
pregnant if they *really* don't want to.

It doesn't resolve the abortion debate, to be sure, but things would be
better is some people would just, plain, "grow-the-hell-up!"

"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
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I, a non-sexist, am not demanding that she do anything.

===================
Exactly! You want to LAW to force *your will* upon her and her choice!
--
CR....
"We look at the ancient Greeks with their gods on a mountain top throwing
lightning bolts and say, 'Those ancient Greeks. They were so silly. So
primitive
and naive. Not like our religions. We have burning bushes talking to
people and
guys walking on water. We're ...sophisticated.'"
-= Paul Provenza =-
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Johnny wrote:

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Johnny wrote:

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"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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The serious problems is that these religious fanatics would like
to
change the law and
FORCE this on everyone else.

What part of Pro-Choice is NOT forced on the nation?

$$ How is it forced on anyone?

Roe V Wade, 1973.

Sorry, but wrong, as usual. Roe v. Wade does not force anyone to get
an abortion. It only confirms the fact that abortion is legal and
available to any woman that wants it.

If a woman doesn't want to have an abortion who is FORCING her?

No telling since abortion in any pregnancy is legal.

However, forcing her to get an abortion is not legal. It is a form of
assault.

All decisions on abortion belong to the women
not some religious bigot or legislature.

*****!

$$ Whose decision SHOULD it be? Her mother's? Her neighbors?
Children
she already has?

The law should dictate when abortion is allowed.

It already does. If the woman wants an abortion, she can get one any
time prior to 12 weeks gestation all over the country, as much as 20
weeks in some states, and any time if the fetus is severely deformed to
the point where it could not survive childbirth or where continuing the
pregnancy endangers the woman.

Even in life threatening situations, the woman can always refuse an
abortion as well.

Very simply, her life, her body, her choice.

Sexism.

Not at all. With our current technology, men cannot get pregnant.

Another statement which relies on sexism.

When you get pregnant, you can get an abortion as well if you wish.

Why should I worry?

I am not stuck on sexist issues.

Besides, what right do you have to demand her servitude, and demand
that she continue an unwanted pregnancy?

I, the non-sexist, am not demanding that she do anything.

Your rights stop at her nose,
just as her rights stop at your nose.

I, a non-sexist, am not demanding that she do anything.