| Topic: |
Science > Abortion |
| User: |
"Cracklin" |
| Date: |
26 Jul 2005 01:15:13 PM |
| Object: |
Pope and abortion |
Pope Pius IX in 1869 extended punishment of excommunication for the
abortion of an embryo at any age. In 1951, Pius XII restated the
principle, saying: “Every human being, even the child in the mother’s
womb, receives its right to life directly from God, not from its
parents.” Speaking in Kenya in 1985, John Paul II bluntly declared:
“Actions such as contraception and abortion are wrong.”
Many Catholics today, however, maintain that such an attitude is out of
date and must be revised. As a result, Roman Catholics are divided over
the issue.
.
|
|
| User: "Reel McKoi" |
|
| Title: Re: Pope and abortion |
26 Jul 2005 08:25:59 PM |
|
|
"Cracklin'" <invalid@invalid.net> wrote in message
news:75vFe.233$lr4.7015476@news.sisna.com...
Pope Pius IX in 1869 extended punishment of excommunication for the
abortion of an embryo at any age. In 1951, Pius XII restated the
principle, saying: “Every human being, even the child in the mother’s
womb, receives its right to life directly from God, not from its parents.”
Speaking in Kenya in 1985, John Paul II bluntly declared: “Actions such as
contraception and abortion are wrong.”
Many Catholics today, however, maintain that such an attitude is out of
date and must be revised. As a result, Roman Catholics are divided over
the issue.
==================
Do these catholics own ponds? What kind of fish do they have?
CR......
.
|
|
|
|
| User: "Attila" |
|
| Title: Re: Pope and abortion |
26 Jul 2005 05:38:05 PM |
|
|
On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:15:13 -0400, Cracklin' <invalid@invalid.net> in
alt.abortion with message-id <75vFe.233$lr4.7015476@news.sisna.com>
wrote:
Pope Pius IX in 1869 extended punishment of excommunication for the
abortion of an embryo at any age. In 1951, Pius XII restated the
principle, saying: “Every human being, even the child in the mother’s
womb, receives its right to life directly from God, not from its
parents.” Speaking in Kenya in 1985, John Paul II bluntly declared:
“Actions such as contraception and abortion are wrong.”
Many Catholics today, however, maintain that such an attitude is out of
date and must be revised. As a result, Roman Catholics are divided over
the issue.
The majority that is not catholic could not possibly care less what
any pope says.
.
|
|
|
|
| User: "duke" |
|
| Title: Re: Pope and abortion |
26 Jul 2005 05:22:36 PM |
|
|
On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:15:13 -0400, Cracklin' <invalid@invalid.net> wrote:
Pope Pius IX in 1869 extended punishment of excommunication for the
abortion of an embryo at any age. In 1951, Pius XII restated the
principle, saying: “Every human being, even the child in the mother’s
womb, receives its right to life directly from God, not from its
parents.” Speaking in Kenya in 1985, John Paul II bluntly declared:
“Actions such as contraception and abortion are wrong.”
Many Catholics today, however, maintain that such an attitude is out of
date and must be revised. As a result, Roman Catholics are divided over
the issue.
They can always quit the Church and commit mortal sin, but they can never take
God out of rejecting the evil.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
.
|
|
|
| User: "Cracklin" |
|
| Title: Re: Pope and abortion |
27 Jul 2005 02:23:20 AM |
|
|
"Cracklin' Rozie" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:42e7173d@sl-news....
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:qrdde19s337t9qggldf5tohqis6rr7os3d@4ax.com...
They can always quit the Church and commit mortal sin, but they can never
take
God out of rejecting the evil.
===========
Which god of the thousands of gods out there? Your god? The Muslims god?
The Buddhist's god?
--
CR.....
Wise men stare at the unknown, and boldly asks, WHY?
Others... fall on their hands and knees, and start mumbling...
(God did it! God did it!)
~ Thus Spake God's Creator ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~><> ><>
.
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "Bill" |
|
| Title: Re: Pope and abortion |
26 Jul 2005 01:28:11 PM |
|
|
The serious problems is that these religious fanatics would like to change
the law and
FORCE this on everyone else.
Before birth, and certainly before the third trimester, the fetus is not yet
a functioning human.
It is a part of, and totally dependent on, the women's body. All decisions
on abortion belong to the women
not some religious bigot or legislature.
"Cracklin'" <invalid@invalid.net> wrote in message
news:75vFe.233$lr4.7015476@news.sisna.com...
Pope Pius IX in 1869 extended punishment of excommunication for the
abortion of an embryo at any age. In 1951, Pius XII restated the
principle, saying: “Every human being, even the child in the mother’s
womb, receives its right to life directly from God, not from its parents.”
Speaking in Kenya in 1985, John Paul II bluntly declared: “Actions such as
contraception and abortion are wrong.”
Many Catholics today, however, maintain that such an attitude is out of
date and must be revised. As a result, Roman Catholics are divided over
the issue.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Cracklin" |
|
| Title: Re: Pope and abortion |
26 Jul 2005 03:16:45 PM |
|
|
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:AdvFe.1686$G71.362@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
The serious problems is that these religious fanatics would like to change
the law and
FORCE this on everyone else.
=============================
Make sure of which Cracklin' you're replying to - the TROLL from
alt.religion.jehovahs-witn is using other people's names to bypass
killfiles. There are now TWO Cracklin's and TWO Reel McKoi's posting here.
:-)
There is no limit to how low a religious fanatic will stoop to silence
someone or get an audience for themselves when ignored.
--
CR.......
"Men never do evil so completely and
cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
~ Blaise Pascal (1623-1662) ~
~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~*
.
|
|
|
|
| User: "Johnny" |
|
| Title: Re: Pope and abortion |
26 Jul 2005 01:30:57 PM |
|
|
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:AdvFe.1686$G71.362@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
The serious problems is that these religious fanatics would like to change
the law and
FORCE this on everyone else.
What part of Pro-Choice is NOT forced on the nation?
Before birth, and certainly before the third trimester, the fetus is not
yet a functioning human.
A total lie.
It is a part of,
Sure doesn't seem that way.
and totally dependent on, the women's body.
It has no body of its own?
All decisions on abortion belong to the women
not some religious bigot or legislature.
*****!
WIthout representative government there is no democracy.
.
|
|
|
| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
|
| Title: Re: Pope and abortion |
26 Jul 2005 11:38:51 PM |
|
|
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:AdvFe.1686$G71.362@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
The serious problems is that these religious fanatics would like to change
the law and
FORCE this on everyone else.
What part of Pro-Choice is NOT forced on the nation?
What part of pro-choice is being forced on YOU? You obviously aren't being
forced to abort, and you will *never* be a parent for obvious reasons.
Before birth, and certainly before the third trimester, the fetus is not
yet a functioning human.
A total lie.
Apparently, you managed to avoid any biology class, from grade school all the
way through your alleged tenure at Furman.
It is a part of,
Sure doesn't seem that way.
There are a lot of common-sense ideas that don't seem to exist in your fantasy world.
and totally dependent on, the women's body.
It has no body of its own?
Had you bothered with even elementary biology, you'd know.
All decisions on abortion belong to the women not some religious bigot or
legislature.
*****!
WIthout representative government there is no democracy.
So why are you demanding that representative government be bent to satisfy
your obsession with controlling others?
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Chicago 5, Houston 3 (April 26)
NEXT GAME: Date/opponent/site TBA in August 2005
.
|
|
|
|
| User: "BOB" |
|
| Title: Re: Pope and abortion |
26 Jul 2005 02:14:18 PM |
|
|
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in
news:rivFe.3071$Ie1.2664@bignews1.bellsouth.net:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:AdvFe.1686$G71.362@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
The serious problems is that these religious fanatics would like to
change the law and
FORCE this on everyone else.
What part of Pro-Choice is NOT forced on the nation?
The freedom of bodily autonomy, idiot.
Before birth, and certainly before the third trimester, the fetus is
not yet a functioning human.
A total lie.
Yes, yours.
It is a part of,
Sure doesn't seem that way.
and totally dependent on, the women's body.
It has no body of its own?
Then you would have no objection if the woman just removes it from her
body, right?
All decisions on abortion belong to the women
not some religious bigot or legislature.
*****!
WIthout representative government there is no democracy.
"Representative" government doesn't mean the "totalitarian" government you
and your anti-choice ilk are trying to impose.
to·tal·i·tar·i·an (t˝-t˛l”ą-târ“¶-…n) adj.
1. Of, relating to, being, or imposing a form of government in which the
political authority exercises absolute and centralized control over all
aspects of life, the individual is subordinated to the state, and opposing
political and cultural expression is suppressed.
--to·tal·i·tar·i·an n.
A practitioner or supporter of such a government. --to·tal”i·tar“i·an·ism
n.
.
|
|
|
|
| User: "Cracklin" |
|
| Title: Re: Pope and abortion |
26 Jul 2005 02:27:09 PM |
|
|
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
news:rivFe.3071$Ie1.2664@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:AdvFe.1686$G71.362@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
The serious problems is that these religious fanatics would like to
change the law and
FORCE this on everyone else.
What part of Pro-Choice is NOT forced on the nation?
$$ How is it forced on anyone? If a woman doesn't want to have an abortion
who is FORCING her?
All decisions on abortion belong to the women
not some religious bigot or legislature.
*****!
$$ Whose decision SHOULD it be? Her mother's? Her neighbors? Children she
already has?
CR.........
Reality check: http://www1.tip.nl/~t661020/wtcitaten/part1.htm
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
========================================
.
|
|
|
| User: "Johnny" |
|
| Title: Re: Pope and abortion |
26 Jul 2005 04:18:24 PM |
|
|
"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
news:42e6888c$0$16560$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com...
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
news:rivFe.3071$Ie1.2664@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:AdvFe.1686$G71.362@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
The serious problems is that these religious fanatics would like to
change the law and
FORCE this on everyone else.
What part of Pro-Choice is NOT forced on the nation?
$$ How is it forced on anyone?
Roe V Wade, 1973.
If a woman doesn't want to have an abortion who is FORCING her?
No telling since abortion in any pregnancy is legal.
All decisions on abortion belong to the women
not some religious bigot or legislature.
*****!
$$ Whose decision SHOULD it be? Her mother's? Her neighbors? Children
she already has?
The law should dictate when abortion is allowed.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Cracklin" |
|
| Title: Re: Pope and abortion |
27 Jul 2005 02:14:50 AM |
|
|
"Cracklin' Rozie" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:42e7119a@sl-news....
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
news:pLxFe.4202$Ie1.259@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
news:42e6888c$0$16560$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com...
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
news:rivFe.3071$Ie1.2664@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:AdvFe.1686$G71.362@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
The serious problems is that these religious fanatics would like to
change the law and
FORCE this on everyone else.
What part of Pro-Choice is NOT forced on the nation?
$$ How is it forced on anyone?
Roe V Wade, 1973.
## So this law comes into a pregnant woman's home and FORCES her to abort?
If a woman doesn't want to have an abortion who is FORCING her?
No telling since abortion in any pregnancy is legal.
## Then why concern yourself with the matter?
All decisions on abortion belong to the women
not some religious bigot or legislature.
*****!
$$ Whose decision SHOULD it be? Her mother's? Her neighbors? Children
she already has?
The law should dictate when abortion is allowed.
## The LAW? We don't live in a totalitarian society in case you haven't
noticed. And you can't seem to grasp that making abortion illegal wont
stop desperate women from aborting. I see you still wont answer the
question of what to do about the thousands of unwanted children
languishing in foster care already. What are the anti-choicers doing to
get these children adopted? Nothing from what I see.
--
CR.......
How did we get here?
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/
=================================
.
|
|
|
| User: "Johnny" |
|
| Title: Re: Pope and abortion |
27 Jul 2005 10:58:33 AM |
|
|
"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
news:42e72d5b$0$16569$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com...
"Cracklin' Rozie" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:42e7119a@sl-news....
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
news:pLxFe.4202$Ie1.259@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
news:42e6888c$0$16560$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com...
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
news:rivFe.3071$Ie1.2664@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:AdvFe.1686$G71.362@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
The serious problems is that these religious fanatics would like to
change the law and
FORCE this on everyone else.
What part of Pro-Choice is NOT forced on the nation?
$$ How is it forced on anyone?
Roe V Wade, 1973.
## So this law comes into a pregnant woman's home and FORCES her to
abort?
Yes. Without the permission to do so she wouldn't.
If a woman doesn't want to have an abortion who is FORCING her?
No telling since abortion in any pregnancy is legal.
## Then why concern yourself with the matter?
Because it was not enacted by Congress or signed into law by the President.
Roe V Wade is an unrepresentative, unconstitutionally dictated measure.
All decisions on abortion belong to the women
not some religious bigot or legislature.
*****!
$$ Whose decision SHOULD it be? Her mother's? Her neighbors?
Children she already has?
The law should dictate when abortion is allowed.
## The LAW?
Yes. That thing that tells you what you can do and what you can not do.
We don't live in a totalitarian society in case you haven't noticed.
*****. The status quo is operated for the benefit of criminals.
And you can't seem to grasp that making abortion illegal wont stop
desperate women from aborting.
Which does nothing to say that sexism in government should be allowed.
I see you still wont answer the question of what to do about the
thousands of unwanted children languishing in foster care already.
Why should I be forced to take care of other peoples' children who the
government allowed to be given up?
What are the anti-choicers doing to get these children adopted?
What are the parents of these children and the government doing to ensure
that these children are taken care of?
Nothing from what I see.
Who cares?
I am not here to allow people to cast their burdens off on others.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Cracklin" |
|
| Title: Re: Pope and abortion |
27 Jul 2005 02:22:11 PM |
|
|
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
news:y9OFe.4958$Ie1.2557@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
news:42e72d5b$0$16569$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com...
What part of Pro-Choice is NOT forced on the nation?
$$ How is it forced on anyone?
Roe V Wade, 1973.
## So this law comes into a pregnant woman's home and FORCES her to
abort?
Yes. Without the permission to do so she wouldn't.
$$ Since when? The rich will fly out for safe abortions and the poor will
utilize the back-alley abortionists. Deaths will skyrocket. Since when
does the law get to dictate what we do with our bodies?
If a woman doesn't want to have an abortion who is FORCING her?
No telling since abortion in any pregnancy is legal.
## Then why concern yourself with the matter?
Because it was not enacted by Congress or signed into law by the
President.
Roe V Wade is an unrepresentative, unconstitutionally dictated measure.
$$ So who cares? It's saving the lives of millions of woman - WOMAN'S
LIVES!!!
The law should dictate when abortion is allowed.
## The LAW?
Yes. That thing that tells you what you can do and what you can not do.
$$ Since when does the law get to dictate what we do with our bodies?
What next, laws to allow a Dr to perform an appendectomy or set a broken
limb?
We don't live in a totalitarian society in case you haven't noticed.
*****. The status quo is operated for the benefit of criminals.
$$ What has that got to do with a totalitarian society? What's the
connection? If you hate the USA so much why don't you move to Mexico or
Canada?
And you can't seem to grasp that making abortion illegal wont stop
desperate women from aborting.
Which does nothing to say that sexism in government should be allowed.
$$ So why make it illegal?
I see you still wont answer the question of what to do about the
thousands of unwanted children languishing in foster care already.
Why should I be forced to take care of other peoples' children who the
government allowed to be given up?
$$ Why should YOU have anything to say about someone's unwanted pregnancy?
Why should the Gov. FORCE woman or young girls to keep a child they don't
want, don't love and will most likely abuse or neglect? Why do you hate
children and woman so much? Is it because you can't have any of your own?
What are the anti-choicers doing to get these children adopted?
What are the parents of these children and the government doing to ensure
that these children are taken care of?
$$ You tell me! That's why there is no reason to force women to add more to
those already here.
Nothing from what I see.
Who cares?
I am not here to allow people to cast their burdens off on others.
$$ Then what are you here for? To vent you HATE for woman and children?
--
CR........
"I contend that we are both atheists, I just believe in one less god
than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all other possible gods,
then you
will know why I dismiss yours." -= Stephen F. Roberts =-
~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*
.
|
|
|
| User: "Johnny" |
|
| Title: Re: Pope and abortion |
28 Jul 2005 08:57:26 AM |
|
|
"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
news:42e7d7d0$0$16609$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com...
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
news:y9OFe.4958$Ie1.2557@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
news:42e72d5b$0$16569$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com...
What part of Pro-Choice is NOT forced on the nation?
$$ How is it forced on anyone?
Roe V Wade, 1973.
## So this law comes into a pregnant woman's home and FORCES her to
abort?
Yes. Without the permission to do so she wouldn't.
$$ Since when? The rich will fly out for safe abortions
Are rich people paying you to piant them as such people?
Is this where they actually like people to talk about them like that?
and the poor will utilize the back-alley abortionists.
*****.
Deaths will skyrocket.
False prophecy is not something I enjoy reading.
Since when does the law get to dictate what we do with our bodies?
Since the law was invented.
If a woman doesn't want to have an abortion who is FORCING her?
No telling since abortion in any pregnancy is legal.
## Then why concern yourself with the matter?
Because it was not enacted by Congress or signed into law by the
President.
Roe V Wade is an unrepresentative, unconstitutionally dictated measure.
$$ So who cares?
More than you are aware of, obviously.
It's saving the lives of millions of woman - WOMAN'S LIVES!!!
*****.
It is not helping our society.
The law should dictate when abortion is allowed.
## The LAW?
Yes. That thing that tells you what you can do and what you can not do.
$$ Since when does the law get to dictate what we do with our bodies?
Since the law was invented.
What next, laws to allow a Dr to perform an appendectomy or set a broken
limb?
Those laws exist already.
We don't live in a totalitarian society in case you haven't noticed.
*****. The status quo is operated for the benefit of criminals.
$$ What has that got to do with a totalitarian society?
The totalitarianism of the USA is done by the allegiance of the ABA and
corporate money-movers with the "criminal' justice system.
What's the connection?
"Criminal" justice has never been so abundant in the USA.
If you hate the USA so much why don't you move to Mexico or Canada?
Who said I hate the USA?
And you can't seem to grasp that making abortion illegal wont stop
desperate women from aborting.
Which does nothing to say that sexism in government should be allowed.
$$ So why make it illegal?
Sexism was outlawed in 1964.
I see you still wont answer the question of what to do about the
thousands of unwanted children languishing in foster care already.
Why should I be forced to take care of other peoples' children who the
government allowed to be given up?
$$ Why should YOU have anything to say about someone's unwanted pregnancy?
I still have something to say because my vote and the vote of so many others
was not represented to begin abortion on demand.
Why should the Gov. FORCE woman or young girls to keep a child they don't
want, don't love and will most likely abuse or neglect?
Because it is in their and everyone else's best interest to do so.
Why do you hate children and woman so much?
I don't.
Your side does.
You do not want women and children to coexist because you are for aborting
the child.
Is it because you can't have any of your own?
I am not such a self-loving type as you.
What are the anti-choicers doing to get these children adopted?
What are the parents of these children and the government doing to ensure
that these children are taken care of?
$$ You tell me! That's why there is no reason to force women to add more
to those already here.
Because you hate women who become pregnant?
Nothing from what I see.
Who cares?
I am not here to allow people to cast their burdens off on others.
$$ Then what are you here for? To vent you HATE for woman and children?
Where did I put anythiung in that would indicate that I hate women and
children?
Sicko, you are for separating the child from the woman, and for women who
are for having their child aborted.
I, empirically, am not a child hater or a woman hater.
Pro-Choicers are empirically shown to be the haters of children.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Cracklin" |
|
| Title: Re: Pope and abortion |
28 Jul 2005 10:50:01 AM |
|
|
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
news:0u5Ge.7930$8g5.1218@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
$$ Since when? The rich will fly out for safe abortions
Are rich people paying you to piant them as such people?
$$ Are the anti-choicers paying YOU?
Is this where they actually like people to talk about them like that?
$$ Why would they care? You want it kept a secret that that's what was
happening prior to RvW?
and the poor will utilize the back-alley abortionists.
*****.
$$ What would make it different now than it was prior to RvW?
Deaths will skyrocket.
False prophecy is not something I enjoy reading.
$$ It's the TRUTH you don't enjoy reading - after all you want those dirty
*SLUTS* to pay one way or the other, don't you? You even want the Gov. to
force them to keep unwanted children.
Since when does the law get to dictate what we do with our bodies?
Since the law was invented.
$$ What law? Which one?
Because it was not enacted by Congress or signed into law by the
President.
Roe V Wade is an unrepresentative, unconstitutionally dictated measure.
$$ So who cares?
More than you are aware of, obviously.
$$ Only thos who want those dirty *SLUTS* to pay one way or the other. You
even want the Gov. to force them to keep unwanted children.
It's saving the lives of millions of woman - WOMAN'S LIVES!!!
*****.
It is not helping our society.
$$ How would making abortion illegal help our society? Are you hoping to
remove the poor and minority women through death at the hands of illegal
abortionists?
$$ Since when does the law get to dictate what we do with our bodies?
Since the law was invented.
$$ Which law?
What next, laws to allow a Dr to perform an appendectomy or set a broken
limb?
Those laws exist already.
$$ Which laws? I didn't need a permit to get my broken leg set.
=== SNIP the rest of your redundant idiotic bullcrap.
CR........
"I contend that we are both atheists, I just believe in one less god
than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all other possible gods,
then you
will know why I dismiss yours." -= Stephen F. Roberts =-
~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*
.
|
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "Ray Fischer" |
|
| Title: Re: Pope and abortion |
27 Jul 2005 09:36:43 PM |
|
|
Johnny <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote:
"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
"Cracklin' Rozie" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
What part of Pro-Choice is NOT forced on the nation?
$$ How is it forced on anyone?
Roe V Wade, 1973.
## So this law comes into a pregnant woman's home and FORCES her to
abort?
Yes.
Don't lie, *****.
If a woman doesn't want to have an abortion who is FORCING her?
No telling since abortion in any pregnancy is legal.
## Then why concern yourself with the matter?
Because it was not enacted by Congress or signed into law by the President.
The US Constitution was not enacted by Congress or signed into law by
the President.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.
|
|
|
| User: "Johnny" |
|
| Title: Re: Pope and abortion |
28 Jul 2005 09:08:50 AM |
|
|
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:dc9gbq$5ok$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Johnny <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote:
"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
"Cracklin' Rozie" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
What part of Pro-Choice is NOT forced on the nation?
$$ How is it forced on anyone?
Roe V Wade, 1973.
## So this law comes into a pregnant woman's home and FORCES her to
abort?
Yes.
Don't lie, *****.
If a woman doesn't want to have an abortion who is FORCING her?
No telling since abortion in any pregnancy is legal.
## Then why concern yourself with the matter?
Because it was not enacted by Congress or signed into law by the
President.
The US Constitution was not enacted by Congress or signed into law by
the President.
Some friggin' British oligarchial, thieving power didn't write it or sign it
into law.
And, it wasn't an exclusive group of lawyers and judges who drafted the
Constitution or signed it into law either.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Ray Fischer" |
|
| Title: Re: Pope and abortion |
28 Jul 2005 12:06:34 PM |
|
|
Johnny <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
Johnny <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote:
"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
"Cracklin' Rozie" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
What part of Pro-Choice is NOT forced on the nation?
$$ How is it forced on anyone?
Roe V Wade, 1973.
## So this law comes into a pregnant woman's home and FORCES her to
abort?
Yes.
Don't lie, *****.
If a woman doesn't want to have an abortion who is FORCING her?
No telling since abortion in any pregnancy is legal.
## Then why concern yourself with the matter?
Because it was not enacted by Congress or signed into law by the
President.
The US Constitution was not enacted by Congress or signed into law by
the President.
Some friggin' British oligarchial, thieving power didn't write it or sign it
into law.
Stop your babbling, kook.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.
|
|
|
| User: "Sir Marksman" |
|
| Title: Re: Pope and abortion |
28 Jul 2005 12:27:22 PM |
|
|
"Gay Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
Are you ever going to stop posting your DNC propaganda?
How much do your masters at the DNC pay you anyway?
.
|
|
|
| User: "Natalie Clifford Barney" |
|
| Title: Re: Pope and abortion |
28 Jul 2005 08:13:37 PM |
|
|
Sir Marksman wrote:
"Gay Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
Are you ever going to stop posting your DNC propaganda?
How much do your masters at the DNC pay you anyway?
No where nearly as much as journalists got from Rove to violate their
principles
--
Natalie Clifford Barney
Le membre de L' Academie des Femmes
One of the Lesbian Immortals of the Left Bank
We never die....
“Lesbianism is about to take over our community. "
Reverend Willie Wilson, Washington DC 2005
.
|
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "Attila" |
|
| Title: Re: Pope and abortion |
28 Jul 2005 11:49:59 AM |
|
|
On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:08:50 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<IE5Ge.7933$8g5.6047@bignews4.bellsouth.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:dc9gbq$5ok$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Johnny <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote:
"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
"Cracklin' Rozie" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
What part of Pro-Choice is NOT forced on the nation?
$$ How is it forced on anyone?
Roe V Wade, 1973.
## So this law comes into a pregnant woman's home and FORCES her to
abort?
Yes.
Don't lie, *****.
If a woman doesn't want to have an abortion who is FORCING her?
No telling since abortion in any pregnancy is legal.
## Then why concern yourself with the matter?
Because it was not enacted by Congress or signed into law by the
President.
The US Constitution was not enacted by Congress or signed into law by
the President.
Some friggin' British oligarchial, thieving power didn't write it or sign it
into law.
And, it wasn't an exclusive group of lawyers and judges who drafted the
Constitution or signed it into law either.
Please continue. I enjoy seeing you make a fool of yourself.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Johnny" |
|
| Title: Re: Pope and abortion |
28 Jul 2005 07:38:39 PM |
|
|
"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
news:q43ie1pjv15hhcc124glh460n1ik3rthu9@4ax.com...
On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:08:50 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<IE5Ge.7933$8g5.6047@bignews4.bellsouth.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:dc9gbq$5ok$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Johnny <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote:
"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
"Cracklin' Rozie" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
What part of Pro-Choice is NOT forced on the nation?
$$ How is it forced on anyone?
Roe V Wade, 1973.
## So this law comes into a pregnant woman's home and FORCES her to
abort?
Yes.
Don't lie, *****.
If a woman doesn't want to have an abortion who is FORCING her?
No telling since abortion in any pregnancy is legal.
## Then why concern yourself with the matter?
Because it was not enacted by Congress or signed into law by the
President.
The US Constitution was not enacted by Congress or signed into law by
the President.
Some friggin' British oligarchial, thieving power didn't write it or sign
it
into law.
And, it wasn't an exclusive group of lawyers and judges who drafted the
Constitution or signed it into law either.
Please continue. I enjoy seeing you make a fool of yourself.
It is your ignorance that makes you seem like a fool, while my words are
very concise and accurate.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Cracklin \Pro Choice" |
|
| Title: Re: Pope and abortion |
28 Jul 2005 08:37:38 PM |
|
|
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
news:aTeGe.10113$8g5.1858@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
It is your ignorance that makes you seem like a fool, while my words are
very concise and accurate.
========================
That's your meds talking. ;-)
--
CR.........
http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile/anti_troll_faq.htm
Make sure of which Cracklin' you're replying to - the TROLL from
alt.religion.jehovahs-witn is using other people's names to bypass
killfiles. There are now TWO Cracklin's and TWO Reel McKoi's posting here.
There is no limit to how low a religious fanatic will stoop to silence
someone or get an audience for themselves when ignored.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
.
|
|
|
|
| User: "Attila" |
|
| Title: Re: Pope and abortion |
28 Jul 2005 08:52:47 PM |
|
|
On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:38:39 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<aTeGe.10113$8g5.1858@bignews4.bellsouth.net> wrote:
"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
news:q43ie1pjv15hhcc124glh460n1ik3rthu9@4ax.com...
On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:08:50 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<IE5Ge.7933$8g5.6047@bignews4.bellsouth.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:dc9gbq$5ok$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Johnny <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote:
"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
"Cracklin' Rozie" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
What part of Pro-Choice is NOT forced on the nation?
$$ How is it forced on anyone?
Roe V Wade, 1973.
## So this law comes into a pregnant woman's home and FORCES her to
abort?
Yes.
Don't lie, *****.
If a woman doesn't want to have an abortion who is FORCING her?
No telling since abortion in any pregnancy is legal.
## Then why concern yourself with the matter?
Because it was not enacted by Congress or signed into law by the
President.
The US Constitution was not enacted by Congress or signed into law by
the President.
Some friggin' British oligarchial, thieving power didn't write it or sign
it
into law.
And, it wasn't an exclusive group of lawyers and judges who drafted the
Constitution or signed it into law either.
Please continue. I enjoy seeing you make a fool of yourself.
It is your ignorance that makes you seem like a fool, while my words are
very concise and accurate.
I realize you think that, which is the biggest joke of all.
.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "Attila" |
|
| Title: Re: Pope and abortion |
28 Jul 2005 06:58:08 AM |
|
|
On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 02:36:43 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) in alt.abortion with message-id <dc9gbq$5ok$1@bolt.sonic.net>
wrote:
If a woman doesn't want to have an abortion who is FORCING her?
No telling since abortion in any pregnancy is legal.
## Then why concern yourself with the matter?
Because it was not enacted by Congress or signed into law by the President.
The US Constitution was not enacted by Congress or signed into law by
the President.
Good point Ray. I overlooked that one.
.
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "Attila" |
|
| Title: Re: Pope and abortion |
27 Jul 2005 04:40:26 PM |
|
|
On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:58:33 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<y9OFe.4958$Ie1.2557@bignews1.bellsouth.net> wrote:
"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
news:42e72d5b$0$16569$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com...
"Cracklin' Rozie" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:42e7119a@sl-news....
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
news:pLxFe.4202$Ie1.259@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
news:42e6888c$0$16560$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com...
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
news:rivFe.3071$Ie1.2664@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:AdvFe.1686$G71.362@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
The serious problems is that these religious fanatics would like to
change the law and
FORCE this on everyone else.
What part of Pro-Choice is NOT forced on the nation?
$$ How is it forced on anyone?
Roe V Wade, 1973.
## So this law comes into a pregnant woman's home and FORCES her to
abort?
Yes. Without the permission to do so she wouldn't.
Do you understand the difference between being forced to do something
and being allowed to do it? Evidently not.
If a woman doesn't want to have an abortion who is FORCING her?
No telling since abortion in any pregnancy is legal.
## Then why concern yourself with the matter?
Because it was not enacted by Congress or signed into law by the President.
Irrelevant. Many laws are case law and were never enacted or signed
specifically by have been found to be inherent in other legislation.
Brown vs BOE for example.
Roe V Wade is an unrepresentative, unconstitutionally dictated measure.
Not according to the only nine people in the universe who have the
power and responsibility to determine this.
All decisions on abortion belong to the women
not some religious bigot or legislature.
*****!
$$ Whose decision SHOULD it be? Her mother's? Her neighbors?
Children she already has?
The law should dictate when abortion is allowed.
## The LAW?
Yes. That thing that tells you what you can do and what you can not do.
The law now tells a pregnant woman she has the right to choose.
We don't live in a totalitarian society in case you haven't noticed.
*****. The status quo is operated for the benefit of criminals.
Criminals are people who engage in illegal activity. Exactly what
illegal activity is involved?
And you can't seem to grasp that making abortion illegal wont stop
desperate women from aborting.
Which does nothing to say that sexism in government should be allowed.
This from someone who considers pregnancy sexism.
I see you still wont answer the question of what to do about the
thousands of unwanted children languishing in foster care already.
Why should I be forced to take care of other peoples' children who the
government allowed to be given up?
Because every citizen must financially support the government without
regard for whether or not the support the policies of that government.
What are the anti-choicers doing to get these children adopted?
What are the parents of these children and the government doing to ensure
that these children are taken care of?
What is legally required.
Nothing from what I see.
Who cares?
I am not here to allow people to cast their burdens off on others.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Johnny" |
|
| Title: Re: Pope and abortion |
28 Jul 2005 09:05:45 AM |
|
|
"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
news:vevfe1hip80fp8m8ul06h4sil09uje612d@4ax.com...
On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:58:33 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<y9OFe.4958$Ie1.2557@bignews1.bellsouth.net> wrote:
"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
news:42e72d5b$0$16569$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com...
"Cracklin' Rozie" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:42e7119a@sl-news....
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
news:pLxFe.4202$Ie1.259@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
news:42e6888c$0$16560$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com...
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
news:rivFe.3071$Ie1.2664@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:AdvFe.1686$G71.362@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
The serious problems is that these religious fanatics would like to
change the law and
FORCE this on everyone else.
What part of Pro-Choice is NOT forced on the nation?
$$ How is it forced on anyone?
Roe V Wade, 1973.
## So this law comes into a pregnant woman's home and FORCES her to
abort?
Yes. Without the permission to do so she wouldn't.
Do you understand the difference between being forced to do something
and being allowed to do it?
Yes. I am forced, against my will, to exist in a nation which does not
represent my views.
Evidently not.
Maybe you need to be forced to understand what it is like ot live in a
society that does not represent you.
If a woman doesn't want to have an abortion who is FORCING her?
No telling since abortion in any pregnancy is legal.
## Then why concern yourself with the matter?
Because it was not enacted by Congress or signed into law by the
President.
Irrelevant.
Objection overrruled.
Many laws are case law
Case law is NOT law at all.
and were never enacted or signed
specifically by have been found to be inherent in other legislation.
Brown vs BOE for example.
LOL!
How many times are you going to misdiagnose and/or attempt to make a mockery
of the U.S. 'criminal' justice system?
Roe V Wade is an unrepresentative, unconstitutionally dictated measure.
Not according to the only nine people in the universe who have the
power and responsibility to determine this.
Those nine people had no constitutional legal authority to make that
decision.
And, it was not all nine of them that began this *****.
Five unelected persons is proof that Roe V Wade is an unrepresentative,
unconstitutional absence of law in the USA.
All decisions on abortion belong to the women
not some religious bigot or legislature.
*****!
$$ Whose decision SHOULD it be? Her mother's? Her neighbors?
Children she already has?
The law should dictate when abortion is allowed.
## The LAW?
Yes. That thing that tells you what you can do and what you can not do.
The law now tells a pregnant woman she has the right to choose.
Which is insufficient for an entire society.
Name more laws, if you can, that allow people, on a non-sexist basis, to
choose between life and death.
We don't live in a totalitarian society in case you haven't noticed.
*****. The status quo is operated for the benefit of criminals.
Criminals are people who engage in illegal activity.
NASD.
Exactly what
illegal activity is involved?
Theivery, killing, prostitution, conspiracy to name a few.
And you can't seem to grasp that making abortion illegal wont stop
desperate women from aborting.
Which does nothing to say that sexism in government should be allowed.
This from someone who considers pregnancy sexism.
Pregnancy is neither male nor female.
Pregnancy is something that occurs in females.
Sexism relies on gender, not on pregnancy; and, Roe V Wade relies on gender.
I see you still wont answer the question of what to do about the
thousands of unwanted children languishing in foster care already.
Why should I be forced to take care of other peoples' children who the
government allowed to be given up?
Because every citizen must financially support the government without
regard for whether or not the support the policies of that government.
That does not occur.
What are the anti-choicers doing to get these children adopted?
What are the parents of these children and the government doing to ensure
that these children are taken care of?
What is legally required.
*****.
Nothing from what I see.
Who cares?
I am not here to allow people to cast their burdens off on others.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Attila" |
|
| Title: Re: Pope and abortion |
28 Jul 2005 11:49:08 AM |
|
|
On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:05:45 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<QB5Ge.7931$8g5.7574@bignews4.bellsouth.net> wrote:
"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
news:vevfe1hip80fp8m8ul06h4sil09uje612d@4ax.com...
On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:58:33 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<y9OFe.4958$Ie1.2557@bignews1.bellsouth.net> wrote:
"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
news:42e72d5b$0$16569$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com...
"Cracklin' Rozie" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:42e7119a@sl-news....
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
news:pLxFe.4202$Ie1.259@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
news:42e6888c$0$16560$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com...
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
news:rivFe.3071$Ie1.2664@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:AdvFe.1686$G71.362@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
The serious problems is that these religious fanatics would like to
change the law and
FORCE this on everyone else.
What part of Pro-Choice is NOT forced on the nation?
$$ How is it forced on anyone?
Roe V Wade, 1973.
## So this law comes into a pregnant woman's home and FORCES her to
abort?
Yes. Without the permission to do so she wouldn't.
Do you understand the difference between being forced to do something
and being allowed to do it?
Yes. I am forced, against my will, to exist in a nation which does not
represent my views.
Too bad. You are also free to leave at any time.
Do you really expect every governmental policy and law to conform to
your expectation? You appear truly insane.
Evidently not.
Maybe you need to be forced to understand what it is like ot live in a
society that does not represent you.
Then go find one that does if it upsets you so much.
If a woman doesn't want to have an abortion who is FORCING her?
No telling since abortion in any pregnancy is legal.
## Then why concern yourself with the matter?
Because it was not enacted by Congress or signed into law by the
President.
Irrelevant.
Objection overrruled.
You cannot overrule anything.
Many laws are case law
Case law is NOT law at all.
Since the courts disagree who cares what you think?
and were never enacted or signed
specifically by have been found to be inherent in other legislation.
Brown vs BOE for example.
LOL!
How many times are you going to misdiagnose and/or attempt to make a mockery
of the U.S. 'criminal' justice system?
Pathetic.
Roe V Wade is an unrepresentative, unconstitutionally dictated measure.
Not according to the only nine people in the universe who have the
power and responsibility to determine this.
Those nine people had no constitutional legal authority to make that
decision.
It appears enough do to make the procedure standard in the judicial
system.
And, it was not all nine of them that began this *****.
It was a majority. That is how they work.
Five unelected persons is proof that Roe V Wade is an unrepresentative,
unconstitutional absence of law in the USA.
They were confirmed by elected officials, and you demonstrate why
judges should not be elected.
All decisions on abortion belong to the women
not some religious bigot or legislature.
*****!
$$ Whose decision SHOULD it be? Her mother's? Her neighbors?
Children she already has?
The law should dictate when abortion is allowed.
## The LAW?
Yes. That thing that tells you what you can do and what you can not do.
The law now tells a pregnant woman she has the right to choose.
Which is insufficient for an entire society.
It seems to be sufficient for most societies. In the US, for a third
of a century.
Name more laws, if you can, that allow people, on a non-sexist basis, to
choose between life and death.
We don't live in a totalitarian society in case you haven't noticed.
*****. The status quo is operated for the benefit of criminals.
Criminals are people who engage in illegal activity.
NASD.
Exactly what
illegal activity is involved?
Theivery, killing, prostitution, conspiracy to name a few.
None of these are directly involved in the freedom of choice.
And you can't seem to grasp that making abortion illegal wont stop
desperate women from aborting.
Which does nothing to say that sexism in government should be allowed.
This from someone who considers pregnancy sexism.
Pregnancy is neither male nor female.
Once again you prove you area fool.
Pregnancy is something that occurs in females.
Who told you?
Sexism relies on gender, not on pregnancy; and, Roe V Wade relies on gender.
Since only women can become pregnant of course it does.
Moron.
I see you still wont answer the question of what to do about the
thousands of unwanted children languishing in foster care already.
Why should I be forced to take care of other peoples' children who the
government allowed to be given up?
Because every citizen must financially support the government without
regard for whether or not the support the policies of that government.
That does not occur.
Yes it does, unless there is illegal tax evasion.
What are the anti-choicers doing to get these children adopted?
What are the parents of these children and the government doing to ensure
that these children are taken care of?
What is legally required.
*****.
Nothing from what I see.
Who cares?
I am not here to allow people to cast their burdens off on others.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Johnny" |
|
| Title: Re: Pope and abortion |
28 Jul 2005 07:37:47 PM |
|
|
"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
news:4m2ie15f3n7ekht51uku1f15nln8v03fnm@4ax.com...
| | | | | | | | | | |
