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Pope's warning (to Canada)
Calsun ^ | May 24, 2006 | ROY CLANCY
Posted on 05/24/2006 6:47:17 AM PDT by NYer
Some Canadians' noses are out of joint after Pope Benedict had the
audacity to criticize our nation in front of the world.
The pontiff's beef?
Our low birthrate, which Benedict attributes to the absence of religion
in our lives.
His words have been met so far with little more than a chorus of
grumbles and cries to "mind your own business."
The Pope blames our woes on our "secular" status, which simply means
Canada's population is turning away from organized religion.
How far? Just look at the reaction to Prime Minister Stephen Harper
closing a speech with the words: "God bless Canada."
It's hard to believe that could offend anyone. After all, he's not
beseeching any particular religion's god to bestow good fortune upon
our country.
But, judging from the negative reaction these days to the words God,
religion and church, you'd think he was uttering an obscenity.
According to Statistics Canada, the number of Canadians who practise no
religion sat at about 19% in 2004, compared to 12% in 1985.
Fair enough. We live in a free country, where no one is forced to
believe anything they don't wish to believe. No one could argue against
that.
The drawback is that organized religion once provided a foundation for
our moral standards and a model for good behaviour. As its impact on
our society wanes, it is replaced by an ambiguous set of rules.
Personal gratification moves toward the top of the list. The '60s
slogan "if it feels good, do it," has become the mantra for an entire
society.
Many politicians, even if they hold deep religious convictions
themselves, are reluctant to place themselves in the line of fire by
suggesting a nation's success runs far deeper than the employment rate
or income levels.
Fortunately, Pope Benedict is bound by no such constraints.
In fact, stirring things up is part of his job description.
That's what he was doing when he urged Canada's Roman Catholic bishops
to preach "with passion."
Like the man he claims as his Saviour, Benedict is obviously on a
mission.
He recently suggested a lack of true love was behind an increase in
failed marriages and a decrease in birthrates across the developed
world.
It's a message our politically correct society might not want to hear,
but it is one that bears closer scrutiny.
At first glance, our diminishing birthrate appears just another
manifestation of modern life, which offers us choices and benefits
unknown to previous generations.
The trouble is, if our birthrate continues to diminish, or even remains
steady at close to record low levels, it will begin to threaten our
nation's survival.
Even immigration isn't filling the void -- despite the fact we welcome
more newcomers than just about any nation.
The foundation of our society will crumble around us without enough
fresh blood to replenish our population.
It's interesting so much debate is devoted to the potential impact of
global warming, while this more fundamental threat goes virtually
ignored.
The mainstream argument runs that everyone is free -- there's that word
again -- to make their own choices about parenthood.
The larger question is why our society as a whole has come to place so
little value on children when they mean so much to the continuation of
our nation's viability.
It's not simply a matter of making it easier for parents to afford the
cost of raising children -- even though that would be a good start.
Benedict and other religious leaders can only try to change our
society's attitude that places a higher value on luxury cars, estate
homes and sun destination vacations than on a noisy house full of
energetic, laughing children.
If they don't succeed, the eventual economic repercussions may do the
job for them.
New figures by Statistics Canada project there'll be more seniors over
age 65 than children under 15 by 2015. By 2031, the number of seniors
could be double the number of children.
When that happens, who'll take up the jobs needed to keep our economy
going to support this mob of oldsters?
Where will the health-care providers come from needed to keep these
masses of seniors healthy and happy?
Sadly, perhaps that's what it will take for our self-centred, cynical
society to finally heed the true significance of Benedict's warning.
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25 May 2006 06:31:49 PM |
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"Sound of Strumpet" <> wrote in message
Pope's warning (to Canada)
Why would what the pope say, drive anyone crazy.
It's like his birth control ideas.
NO ONE LISTENS TO A MAN WHO WEARS A DRESS AND A CROWN!!
pope is that latin for Queen??
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26 May 2006 01:44:17 PM |
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Zadok wrote:
"Sound of Strumpet" <> wrote in message
Pope's warning (to Canada)
Why would what the pope say, drive anyone crazy.
It's like his birth control ideas.
NO ONE LISTENS TO A MAN WHO WEARS A DRESS AND A CROWN!!
pope is that latin for Queen??
No. "regina" is Latin for "queen", at least in the sense of female monarch
or wife of king. Why are so hostile to transvestites?
Colin Day
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26 May 2006 03:23:40 PM |
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"Colin Day" <> wrote in message ...
NO ONE LISTENS TO A MAN WHO WEARS A DRESS AND A CROWN!!
pope is that latin for Queen??
No. "regina" is Latin for "queen", at least in the sense of female monarch
or wife of king. Why are so hostile to transvestites?
OH, dear, you have misread me!!
I'm only hostile to men in dresses, wearing crowns, when they try to tell me
that I will burn in hell!!
So the only tansvestites I am hostile to are catho_lick ones, who try and
tell me I should call them father.
No problem with all the rest.
Sorry you misunderstood me!!
Smile.
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26 May 2006 08:08:17 PM |
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Zadok wrote:
"Colin Day" <> wrote in message ...
NO ONE LISTENS TO A MAN WHO WEARS A DRESS AND A CROWN!!
pope is that latin for Queen??
No. "regina" is Latin for "queen", at least in the sense of female monarch
or wife of king. Why are so hostile to transvestites?
OH, dear, you have misread me!!
I'm only hostile to men in dresses, wearing crowns, when they try to tell me
that I will burn in hell!!
So the only tansvestites I am hostile to are catho_lick ones, who try and
tell me I should call them father.
No problem with all the rest.
Sorry you misunderstood me!!
<litella>Never mind</litella>
Colin Day aa #1500
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25 May 2006 06:52:25 PM |
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Zadok wrote:
"Sound of Strumpet" <> wrote in message
Pope's warning (to Canada)
Why would what the pope say, drive anyone crazy.
Yes, good question. He is a wise man.
It's like his birth control ideas.
Yes, wise advice.
NO ONE LISTENS TO A MAN WHO WEARS A DRESS AND A CROWN!!
It's not a dress, it's a cassock, and it's not crown, it's a zucchetto;
or a mitre on special occasions.
pope is that latin for Queen??
'Pope' is derived from 'papa' or 'father'. (Italian)
Oh, and where do you get your moral advice? MTV? We'll just leave it at
that.
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25 May 2006 07:14:11 PM |
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"Hugh Betcha" <> wrote in message
pope is that latin for Queen??
'Pope' is derived from 'papa' or 'father'. (Italian)
Oh, and where do you get your moral advice? MTV? We'll just leave it at
that.
No I get my moral advice from the bible.
Matthew 23: 9 - And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your
Father, which is in heaven.
What did you say pope meant??
You sure it isn't queen??
It can't be father, as Jesus the head of the church said to call no man
father upon the earth!!
I supose you want to leave it at that!!
Smile.
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25 May 2006 07:43:50 PM |
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I guess that means that you never called youir dad "father"? Does that
mean that I can't refer to my dad as my father? Or maybe what Christ
is really trying to emphasize in the Bible is that we should recognize
that all legitimate temporal authority comes from God.
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25 May 2006 07:59:15 PM |
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carnivorous treefrog wrote:
I guess that means that you never called youir dad "father"? Does that
mean that I can't refer to my dad as my father?
I think it means that in reference to the church you should call no one
father but God, but of course the Church has made millions on violating
that particular law.
Or maybe what Christ
is really trying to emphasize in the Bible is that we should recognize
that all legitimate temporal authority comes from God.
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It isn't premarital sex if you have no intention of getting married.
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25 May 2006 09:46:25 PM |
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Zadok wrote:
"Hugh Betcha" <> wrote in message
pope is that latin for Queen??
'Pope' is derived from 'papa' or 'father'. (Italian)
Oh, and where do you get your moral advice? MTV? We'll just leave it at
that.
No I get my moral advice from the bible.
Matthew 23: 9 - And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your
Father, which is in heaven.
What did you say pope meant??
It can't be father, as Jesus the head of the church said to call no
man
father upon the earth!!
Actually, the words written in the Gospel of Matthew were not English
(it wouldn't exist in any form for another thousand years or so) but
were spoken in Aramaic. The Gospel itself was written in Hebrew, and
the word was 'Rabbi'. Translated into Greek, the word became the
nearest in that language: 'didasklos' meaning, 'teacher'. Further
translated to the common language of the day, Latin, the word became
'Pater', meaning 'father'; true to the early Christian's tradition of
addressing their teachers as 'fathers'. Latin was the root of many
languages such as Spanish and Italian, where the word became 'padre'
and further to 'papa' Also, French; 'pere', German, 'vater'; and of
course, English, 'father'. It's important to note that the word
'pastor' is derived from the same root. Many Protestants are shocked to
learn that Jesus did not speak 'ye olde Englishe' as per King James,
therefore He did not literally mean 'father'... indeed, difficult to
rationalize considering that He did not even say 'father'.
What were we talking about? Oh, yes, the Pope. Yes, it means 'father',
and no, not the Father in Heaven.
I supose you want to leave it at that!!
Alright, we will.
Smile.
Yep.
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26 May 2006 05:40:53 AM |
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"Hugh Betcha" <> wrote in message
Actually, the words written in the Gospel of Matthew were not English
(it wouldn't exist in any form for another thousand years or so) but
were spoken in Aramaic. The Gospel itself was written in Hebrew, and
the word was 'Rabbi'. Translated into Greek, the word became the
nearest in that language: 'didasklos' meaning, 'teacher'.
If you need further proof that Hugie has the wrong verse, check the
following site!!
http://www.greeknewtestament.com/B40C023.htm
Look at verses 8 and 9.
But nice try Hughie!!
Smile.
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26 May 2006 02:26:03 PM |
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On Fri, 26 May 2006 10:40:53 GMT, "Zadok" <nobler@accesswave.ca>
wrote:
"Hugh Betcha" <> wrote in message
Actually, the words written in the Gospel of Matthew were not English
(it wouldn't exist in any form for another thousand years or so) but
were spoken in Aramaic. The Gospel itself was written in Hebrew, and
the word was 'Rabbi'. Translated into Greek, the word became the
nearest in that language: 'didasklos' meaning, 'teacher'.
If you need further proof that Hugie has the wrong verse, check the
following site!!
http://www.greeknewtestament.com/B40C023.htm
Look at verses 8 and 9.
But nice try Hughie!!
Smile.
Or better yet, get your morals from the fact that you care about
people and think about what might hurt them rather than trying to
translate the words of bronze age tribesmen's myths who didn't have
much in the way of good information about what does hurt people.
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27 May 2006 01:40:25 AM |
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"Kate " <cobalt@newscene.com> wrote
Or better yet, get your morals from the fact that you care about
people and think about what might hurt them rather than trying to
translate the words of bronze age tribesmen's myths who didn't have
much in the way of good information about what does hurt people.
Ah you see. You imagine that because you are Western woman with a car and a
house with a flush toilet, and because you understand how your computer
works, or at least because you know people who understnad how computers
works, you also know more than broze age tribesmen about "what does hurt
people".
In fact our technical knowledge is not matched by a corresponding increase
in knowledge about psychology. There is an academic discipline of
psychology, there are a few sales and management techniques which have a
certain amount of success in a limited area of application, but there are no
experts on people. Certainly bronze age tribesmen faced similar moral
problems to ourselves, and found answers of similar quality.
You say you must refrain from hurting people. So what is your proposal for
Osama bin Laden? Maybe if we leave the Middle East alone they'll leave us
alone. No blood for oil. Good job you don't drive.
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Buy my book 12 Common Atheist Arguments (refuted)
$1.25 download or $7.20 paper, available www.lulu.com/bgy1mm
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28 May 2006 11:16:01 AM |
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On Sat, 27 May 2006 07:40:25 +0100, "Malcolm"
<regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote:
"Kate " <cobalt@newscene.com> wrote
Or better yet, get your morals from the fact that you care about
people and think about what might hurt them rather than trying to
translate the words of bronze age tribesmen's myths who didn't have
much in the way of good information about what does hurt people.
Ah you see. You imagine that because you are Western woman with a car and a
house with a flush toilet, and because you understand how your computer
works, or at least because you know people who understnad how computers
works, you also know more than broze age tribesmen about "what does hurt
people".
I know a lot more medicine, physics, biology and phsyiology than
bronze age people.
In fact our technical knowledge is not matched by a corresponding increase
in knowledge about psychology. There is an academic discipline of
psychology, there are a few sales and management techniques which have a
certain amount of success in a limited area of application, but there are no
experts on people. Certainly bronze age tribesmen faced similar moral
problems to ourselves, and found answers of similar quality.
A lot of stuff is basic that the bronze agers got right - mostly
because it's instinctive, the rest, well, I supposed you agree that
slavery is justified, the sun revolves around the world, stars are
not other suns, the world ends at an edge and pigs are bad because
they root.
You say you must refrain from hurting people. So what is your proposal for
Osama bin Laden? Maybe if we leave the Middle East alone they'll leave us
alone. No blood for oil. Good job you don't drive.
How is this question pertinent to the original point? You think the
bible holds some obvious answer to this that I was countering?
Co-existing with other people is hard - especially when there are too
many people and a limited amount of resources. Acting like grown ups,
not having hissy fits with missles and pronouncing that you have
'God's' backing for whatever stupid thoughtless move you want to make
would probably be a good first step.
At any rate, being a western woman with some technology and some
knowledge does not make me a person with all the answers. What on
earth made you think I said that?
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26 May 2006 07:10:13 PM |
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Kate wrote:
On Fri, 26 May 2006 10:40:53 GMT, "Zadok" <nobler@accesswave.ca>
wrote:
"Hugh Betcha" <> wrote in message
Actually, the words written in the Gospel of Matthew were not English
(it wouldn't exist in any form for another thousand years or so) but
were spoken in Aramaic. The Gospel itself was written in Hebrew, and
the word was 'Rabbi'. Translated into Greek, the word became the
nearest in that language: 'didasklos' meaning, 'teacher'.
If you need further proof that Hugie has the wrong verse, check the
following site!!
http://www.greeknewtestament.com/B40C023.htm
Look at verses 8 and 9.
But nice try Hughie!!
Smile.
Or better yet, get your morals from the fact that you care about
people and think about what might hurt them rather than trying to
translate the words of bronze age tribesmen's myths who didn't have
much in the way of good information about what does hurt people.
Good point! It seems rather deterious to squabble over it; as an Iron
Age tribesman named Ambrose said: "God does not deign to save His
people by means of dialectics. The kingdom of God is in the simplicity
of faith, not in contentious words."
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26 May 2006 05:04:40 AM |
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"Hugh Betcha" <> wrote in message
Actually, the words written in the Gospel of Matthew were not English
(it wouldn't exist in any form for another thousand years or so) but
were spoken in Aramaic. The Gospel itself was written in Hebrew, and
the word was 'Rabbi'. Translated into Greek, the word became the
nearest in that language: 'didasklos' meaning, 'teacher'.
In your great wisdom clown, you are referring to the wrong verse. It's verse
8, that says you are not to be called Rabbi. And that was translated
properly as teacher.
However in verse 9, the word is for father!! Of course you will try and tell
us that Aramaic did not have a word for father. Then turn around and tell
us that the Hebrew langauge has no word for Father.
Your simplistic explanation manages to ignore that in verse 8, the word is
Rabbi, and in verse 9 it is father.
Further
translated to the common language of the day, Latin, the word became
'Pater', meaning 'father'; true to the early Christian's tradition of
addressing their teachers as 'fathers'. Latin was the root of many
languages such as Spanish and Italian, where the word became 'padre'
and further to 'papa' Also, French; 'pere', German, 'vater'; and of
course, English, 'father'. It's important to note that the word
'pastor' is derived from the same root. Many Protestants are shocked to
learn that Jesus did not speak 'ye olde Englishe' as per King James,
therefore He did not literally mean 'father'... indeed, difficult to
rationalize considering that He did not even say 'father'.
What were we talking about? Oh, yes, the Pope. Yes, it means 'father',
and no, not the Father in Heaven.
What we were talking about, was that Rabbi means teacher in verse 8. Not
Father in verse 9, and all your verbage does not change that!!
What I always find amazing is how a clown like you suddenly think you
qualify to translate biblical text.
I don't see any translations by you on the search engines.
What I do find is that you don't have a clue.
Read verse 8. Rabbi means teacher. Now read verse 9!!
Never be afraid to learn!!
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26 May 2006 04:40:54 PM |
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Zadok wrote:
"Hugh Betcha" <> wrote in message
Actually, the words written in the Gospel of Matthew were not English
(it wouldn't exist in any form for another thousand years or so) but
were spoken in Aramaic. The Gospel itself was written in Hebrew, and
the word was 'Rabbi'. Translated into Greek, the word became the
nearest in that language: 'didasklos' meaning, 'teacher'.
In your great wisdom clown, you are referring to the wrong verse. It's verse
8, that says you are not to be called Rabbi. And that was translated
properly as teacher.
However in verse 9, the word is for father!! Of course you will try and tell
us that Aramaic did not have a word for father. Then turn around and tell
us that the Hebrew langauge has no word for Father.
Your simplistic explanation manages to ignore that in verse 8, the word is
Rabbi, and in verse 9 it is father.
Further
translated to the common language of the day, Latin, the word became
'Pater', meaning 'father'; true to the early Christian's tradition of
addressing their teachers as 'fathers'. Latin was the root of many
languages such as Spanish and Italian, where the word became 'padre'
and further to 'papa' Also, French; 'pere', German, 'vater'; and of
course, English, 'father'. It's important to note that the word
'pastor' is derived from the same root. Many Protestants are shocked to
learn that Jesus did not speak 'ye olde Englishe' as per King James,
therefore He did not literally mean 'father'... indeed, difficult to
rationalize considering that He did not even say 'father'.
What were we talking about? Oh, yes, the Pope. Yes, it means 'father',
and no, not the Father in Heaven.
What we were talking about, was that Rabbi means teacher in verse 8. Not
Father in verse 9, and all your verbage does not change that!!
What I always find amazing is how a clown like you suddenly think you
qualify to translate biblical text.
I don't see any translations by you on the search engines.
What I do find is that you don't have a clue.
Read verse 8. Rabbi means teacher. Now read verse 9!!
Never be afraid to learn!!
Alright, verse nine reads 'pateras' or 'father.' I suppose that's a
good point, but, the two words had identical meanings to the early
Christians; as per St. Clement (c. 202AD) "...Hence we call those who
have instructed us, fathers." or St. Irenaeus (c.180AD) "For when any
person has been taught from the mouth of another, he is termed the son
of him who instructs him, and the latter is called his father." Hence
the Latin word 'pater' holding the meaning of both 'teacher' and
'father'. Our common spiritual ancestors understood the meaning of
Matthew 23:8-9; one must wonder why you don't any longer.
I could point to the use of the word 'father' throughout the Holy
Scriptures; (Gen. 45:8, Job 29:16, Is. 22:20-21, 2 Kgs. 2:12, Acts
7:2, and Romans 9:10 are examples) but you have already explained your
theory about your schizophrenic and somewhat less than omniscient God
making exceptions to His law for His own purpose, so I won't bother. I
could also point out that if you are going to hold to your literal
interpretation of Matt. 23:8-9 then you are just as guilty as
Catholics, because you use words derived from 'father', 'teacher' or
'master' all the time. Think: pastor, dad, grandfather, doctor,
professor, mister, sir, sensei etc. That all gets rather complicated;
one would need a degree (not a 'doctrate', that's derived from the
Latin 'doctor', meaning 'teacher') in linguistics and speak a thousand
languages to ensure that he never violates Jesus' teaching. Or, maybe,
just MAYBE, what he really meant by 'call no one' is that we should
never put any one among us into the position of God Himself. You think?
Ah, what the heck do I know, I'm just a blaspheming Catholic.
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26 May 2006 07:02:17 PM |
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"Hugh Betcha" <> wrote in message ...
Alright, verse nine reads 'pateras' or 'father.' I suppose that's a
good point, but, the two words had identical meanings to the early
Christians; as per St. Clement (c. 202AD) "...Hence we call those who
have instructed us, fathers." or St. Irenaeus (c.180AD) "For when any
person has been taught from the mouth of another, he is termed the son
of him who instructs him, and the latter is called his father." Hence
the Latin word 'pater' holding the meaning of both 'teacher' and
'father'.
I'm sorry?? Are you trying to tell me that I should ignore what Jesus Christ
tells us and substitute what Clement or Irenaeus says.
But Jesus also tells me that I should obey the commandments of God, and what
does God's son tell us - Call no man father upon this earth.
And what does man tells us, Clement and Irenaeus. To ignore what Jesus
himself said!!
Our common spiritual ancestors understood the meaning of
Matthew 23:8-9; one must wonder why you don't any longer.
It's easy to follow, if you read the context.
I could point to the use of the word 'father' throughout the Holy
Scriptures; (Gen. 45:8, Job 29:16, Is. 22:20-21, 2 Kgs. 2:12, Acts
7:2, and Romans 9:10 are examples) but you have already explained your
theory about your schizophrenic and somewhat less than omniscient God
making exceptions to His law for His own purpose, so I won't bother.
I suppose you would try to compare a biological fact with a title??
See my Dad or biological father is not a title. It's a relationship.
Now your dear pope on the other hand uses father as a title. As does your
priests, etc.
Can you even distinguish the difference any more??
I
could also point out that if you are going to hold to your literal
interpretation of Matt. 23:8-9 then you are just as guilty as
Catholics, because you use words derived from 'father', 'teacher' or
'master' all the time. Think: pastor, dad, grandfather, doctor,
professor, mister, sir, sensei etc.
I'm sorry how do you know what words I use??
Now let me repeat. A Dad, grandfather are not titles, they are biological
facts. I doubt that you can see the difference.
You also fail to grasp the context when in Matthew 23, Jesus is talking
about religious leaders.
You might just be interested in knowing that I call my minister by his name.
Michael. I do not call him by any title.
WHY?? Becasue Jesus told me not to!!
That all gets rather complicated;
one would need a degree (not a 'doctrate', that's derived from the
Latin 'doctor', meaning 'teacher') in linguistics and speak a thousand
languages to ensure that he never violates Jesus' teaching. Or, maybe,
just MAYBE, what he really meant by 'call no one' is that we should
never put any one among us into the position of God Himself. You think?
I think you could figure it out. Just read Matthew 23, and realize that
Jesus was talking about the religious leaders. Then to be on the safe side,
just don't call any of your religious leaders by a title.
Seems simple enough to me!!
And you don't need any university degree to figure it out.
Ah, what the heck do I know, I'm just a blaspheming Catholic.
No sense telling me that. I don't take confessions!!
I confess to God, not man!!
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If the Pope is so concerned about the lack of kids in Canada then he
should get off his ***** and start fucking some cougars!!! That is if
their eggs are ripe anymore.
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1637443/posts
Pope's warning (to Canada)
Calsun ^ | May 24, 2006 | ROY CLANCY
Posted on 05/24/2006 6:47:17 AM PDT by NYer
Some Canadians' noses are out of joint after Pope Benedict had the
audacity to criticize our nation in front of the world.
The pontiff's beef?
Our low birthrate, which Benedict attributes to the absence of religion
in our lives.
His words have been met so far with little more than a chorus of
grumbles and cries to "mind your own business."
The Pope blames our woes on our "secular" status, which simply means
Canada's population is turning away from organized religion.
How far? Just look at the reaction to Prime Minister Stephen Harper
closing a speech with the words: "God bless Canada."
It's hard to believe that could offend anyone. After all, he's not
beseeching any particular religion's god to bestow good fortune upon
our country.
But, judging from the negative reaction these days to the words God,
religion and church, you'd think he was uttering an obscenity.
According to Statistics Canada, the number of Canadians who practise no
religion sat at about 19% in 2004, compared to 12% in 1985.
Fair enough. We live in a free country, where no one is forced to
believe anything they don't wish to believe. No one could argue against
that.
The drawback is that organized religion once provided a foundation for
our moral standards and a model for good behaviour. As its impact on
our society wanes, it is replaced by an ambiguous set of rules.
Personal gratification moves toward the top of the list. The '60s
slogan "if it feels good, do it," has become the mantra for an entire
society.
Many politicians, even if they hold deep religious convictions
themselves, are reluctant to place themselves in the line of fire by
suggesting a nation's success runs far deeper than the employment rate
or income levels.
Fortunately, Pope Benedict is bound by no such constraints.
In fact, stirring things up is part of his job description.
That's what he was doing when he urged Canada's Roman Catholic bishops
to preach "with passion."
Like the man he claims as his Saviour, Benedict is obviously on a
mission.
He recently suggested a lack of true love was behind an increase in
failed marriages and a decrease in birthrates across the developed
world.
It's a message our politically correct society might not want to hear,
but it is one that bears closer scrutiny.
At first glance, our diminishing birthrate appears just another
manifestation of modern life, which offers us choices and benefits
unknown to previous generations.
The trouble is, if our birthrate continues to diminish, or even remains
steady at close to record low levels, it will begin to threaten our
nation's survival.
Even immigration isn't filling the void -- despite the fact we welcome
more newcomers than just about any nation.
The foundation of our society will crumble around us without enough
fresh blood to replenish our population.
It's interesting so much debate is devoted to the potential impact of
global warming, while this more fundamental threat goes virtually
ignored.
The mainstream argument runs that everyone is free -- there's that word
again -- to make their own choices about parenthood.
The larger question is why our society as a whole has come to place so
little value on children when they mean so much to the continuation of
our nation's viability.
It's not simply a matter of making it easier for parents to afford the
cost of raising children -- even though that would be a good start.
Benedict and other religious leaders can only try to change our
society's attitude that places a higher value on luxury cars, estate
homes and sun destination vacations than on a noisy house full of
energetic, laughing children.
If they don't succeed, the eventual economic repercussions may do the
job for them.
New figures by Statistics Canada project there'll be more seniors over
age 65 than children under 15 by 2015. By 2031, the number of seniors
could be double the number of children.
When that happens, who'll take up the jobs needed to keep our economy
going to support this mob of oldsters?
Where will the health-care providers come from needed to keep these
masses of seniors healthy and happy?
Sadly, perhaps that's what it will take for our self-centred, cynical
society to finally heed the true significance of Benedict's warning.
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| User: "Attila" |
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26 May 2006 08:59:37 AM |
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On 25 May 2006 13:24:14 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@hoshmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<1148588654.712617.52330@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
More off topic religious propagandizing.
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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26 May 2006 09:33:56 PM |
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In article <rd2e725r5tj1kgplce3voqsseqvqgp0649@4ax.com>,
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On 25 May 2006 13:24:14 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@hoshmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<1148588654.712617.52330@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
More off topic religious propagandizing.
you continue to demonstrate your ignorance of usenet newsgroups,
scumball, and your disrespect for readers' ability to decide for
themselves what is and is not appropriate.
do you feel like a hypocrite criticizing others for doing what you
do? even osprey has legitimately commented on your hypocrisy.
your hypocrisy aside, what you might want to do to make yourself feel
like an even bigger ***** is take a random sample of posts you've
whined about and then search google for the number of posts with this
topic, demonstrating that readers know what is of interest to them
far better than you do.
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25 May 2006 05:41:29 PM |
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On 25 May 2006 13:24:14 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@hoshmail.com> wrote:
Pope's warning (to Canada)
Calsun ^ | May 24, 2006 | ROY CLANCY
Posted on 05/24/2006 6:47:17 AM PDT by NYer
Some Canadians' noses are out of joint after Pope Benedict had the
audacity to criticize our nation in front of the world.
The pontiff's beef?
Our low birthrate, which Benedict attributes to the absence of religion
in our lives.
His words have been met so far with little more than a chorus of
grumbles and cries to "mind your own business."
Not to mention "DILLIGAFF?"...
--
"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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25 May 2006 11:41:43 PM |
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raven1 wrote:
On 25 May 2006 13:24:14 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@hoshmail.com> wrote:
Pope's warning (to Canada)
Calsun ^ | May 24, 2006 | ROY CLANCY
Posted on 05/24/2006 6:47:17 AM PDT by NYer
Some Canadians' noses are out of joint after Pope Benedict had the
audacity to criticize our nation in front of the world.
The pontiff's beef?
Our low birthrate, which Benedict attributes to the absence of religion
in our lives.
His words have been met so far with little more than a chorus of
grumbles and cries to "mind your own business."
Not to mention "DILLIGAFF?"...
A simple problem to solve, dress Canadian women
up as altar boys.
--
"Its the hit dog what yelps."
- Mark Twain
Cheerful Charlie
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25 May 2006 06:53:40 PM |
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Previously, on alt.atheism, Sound of Trumpet in episode
<1148588654.712617.52330@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>...
Our low birthrate, which Benedict attributes to the absence of religion in
our lives.
Fucking is a religion?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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25 May 2006 11:09:07 PM |
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Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrumpet@hoshmail.com> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1637443/posts
[...]
Some Canadians' noses are out of joint after Pope Benedict had the
audacity to criticize our nation in front of the world.
The pontiff's beef?
Our low birthrate, which Benedict attributes to the absence of religion
in our lives.
How many children does Benedict have?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass" |
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27 May 2006 10:57:34 AM |
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On 26 May 2006 04:09:07 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrumpet@hoshmail.com> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1637443/posts
[...]
Some Canadians' noses are out of joint after Pope Benedict had the
audacity to criticize our nation in front of the world.
The pontiff's beef?
Our low birthrate, which Benedict attributes to the absence of religion
in our lives.
How many children does Benedict have?
10, but 9 of them were settled out of court.
-----
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -2463 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
-----
"Ahhhhhh, yessssssss, ummmmmmm - Alito, Alito, Alito"
-duke (duckgumbo@cox.net), aka PedophilEarl J Weber, 59
year old mateless, heirless biological failure
of Afton Oaks Apartment, Baton Rouge,who pussied
out of the Vietnam draft, showing his gay side
despite his avowed anti-gay bigotry
Contact duke's priest and ask
him why duke is such a racist:
http://www.stpatrickbr.org/
Father Gerard "Jerry" Martin
stpatrickbr<AT>bellsouth<DOT>net
Saint Patrick Catholic Church
12424 Brogdon Lane
Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70816
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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25 May 2006 11:15:58 PM |
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On 26 May 2006 04:09:07 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrumpet@hoshmail.com> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1637443/posts
[...]
Some Canadians' noses are out of joint after Pope Benedict had the
audacity to criticize our nation in front of the world.
The pontiff's beef?
Our low birthrate, which Benedict attributes to the absence of religion
in our lives.
How many children does Benedict have?
The Pope was just being stupid. The majority of Christian
denominations don't ban contraception, and I doubt the religious
demographics of Canada would be significantly different than the USA,
although there might be more Catholics due to French ancestry.
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26 May 2006 03:39:44 PM |
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Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On 26 May 2006 04:09:07 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrumpet@hoshmail.com> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1637443/posts
[...]
Some Canadians' noses are out of joint after Pope Benedict had the
audacity to criticize our nation in front of the world.
The pontiff's beef?
Our low birthrate, which Benedict attributes to the absence of religion
in our lives.
How many children does Benedict have?
The Pope was just being stupid. The majority of Christian
denominations don't ban contraception, and I doubt the religious
demographics of Canada would be significantly different than the USA,
although there might be more Catholics due to French ancestry.
All Protestant denominations banned artificial birth control until the
Anglican church's 7th Lambeth conference in 1930. It was decided to
allow it; not for convenient sex, but mostly for eugenics.
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass" |
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27 May 2006 10:58:49 AM |
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On 26 May 2006 13:39:44 -0700, "Hugh Betcha" <gemond@canada.com>
wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On 26 May 2006 04:09:07 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrumpet@hoshmail.com> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1637443/posts
[...]
Some Canadians' noses are out of joint after Pope Benedict had the
audacity to criticize our nation in front of the world.
The pontiff's beef?
Our low birthrate, which Benedict attributes to the absence of religion
in our lives.
How many children does Benedict have?
The Pope was just being stupid. The majority of Christian
denominations don't ban contraception, and I doubt the religious
demographics of Canada would be significantly different than the USA,
although there might be more Catholics due to French ancestry.
All Protestant denominations banned artificial birth control until the
Anglican church's 7th Lambeth conference in 1930. It was decided to
allow it; not for convenient sex, but mostly for eugenics.
And the Catholic Church allied itself with the Nazis.
That condom thing doesn't seem so bad in comparison, eh?
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -2463 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
-----
"Ahhhhhh, yessssssss, ummmmmmm - Alito, Alito, Alito"
-duke (duckgumbo@cox.net), aka PedophilEarl J Weber, 59
year old mateless, heirless biological failure
of Afton Oaks Apartment, Baton Rouge,who pussied
out of the Vietnam draft, showing his gay side
despite his avowed anti-gay bigotry
Contact duke's priest and ask
him why duke is such a racist:
http://www.stpatrickbr.org/
Father Gerard "Jerry" Martin
stpatrickbr<AT>bellsouth<DOT>net
Saint Patrick Catholic Church
12424 Brogdon Lane
Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70816
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27 May 2006 05:14:08 PM |
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Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
On 26 May 2006 13:39:44 -0700, "Hugh Betcha" <gemond@canada.com>
wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On 26 May 2006 04:09:07 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrumpet@hoshmail.com> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1637443/posts
[...]
Some Canadians' noses are out of joint after Pope Benedict had the
audacity to criticize our nation in front of the world.
The pontiff's beef?
Our low birthrate, which Benedict attributes to the absence of religion
in our lives.
How many children does Benedict have?
The Pope was just being stupid. The majority of Christian
denominations don't ban contraception, and I doubt the religious
demographics of Canada would be significantly different than the USA,
although there might be more Catholics due to French ancestry.
All Protestant denominations banned artificial birth control until the
Anglican church's 7th Lambeth conference in 1930. It was decided to
allow it; not for convenient sex, but mostly for eugenics.
And the Catholic Church allied itself with the Nazis.
Of course. *Everybody* knows that the two of them also conspired
together with the Shriners, the Boy Scouts and the Gray Aliens to
brainwash the entire world into thinking that some kind of war was
going on in Europe. The whole cabal was masterminded by Donald
Rumsfeld, who in 1940 was an evil boy genius. (think 'Stewie' on the
'Family Guy') The procceds from all those illicit arms sales went to
pay for the relocation of 6 million Jews to a secret Island paradise in
the Mediterranean. The world may have been fooled, but you and I know
the truth, don't we, Yang?
H.
--
"I am free of all prejudices. I hate everyone equally."
-W.C. Fields
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass" |
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28 May 2006 06:16:43 AM |
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On 27 May 2006 15:14:08 -0700, "Hugh Betcha" <gemond@canada.com>
wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
On 26 May 2006 13:39:44 -0700, "Hugh Betcha" <gemond@canada.com>
wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On 26 May 2006 04:09:07 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrumpet@hoshmail.com> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1637443/posts
[...]
Some Canadians' noses are out of joint after Pope Benedict had the
audacity to criticize our nation in front of the world.
The pontiff's beef?
Our low birthrate, which Benedict attributes to the absence of religion
in our lives.
How many children does Benedict have?
The Pope was just being stupid. The majority of Christian
denominations don't ban contraception, and I doubt the religious
demographics of Canada would be significantly different than the USA,
although there might be more Catholics due to French ancestry.
All Protestant denominations banned artificial birth control until the
Anglican church's 7th Lambeth conference in 1930. It was decided to
allow it; not for convenient sex, but mostly for eugenics.
And the Catholic Church allied itself with the Nazis.
Of course. *Everybody* knows that the two of them also conspired
together with the Shriners,
And how many Nazis went to Shriners' rites as they have done with
Catholic masses?
Oh that's right, you're just a revisionist liar.
the Boy Scouts and the Gray Aliens to
brainwash the entire world into thinking that some kind of war was
going on in Europe. The whole cabal was masterminded by Donald
Rumsfeld, who in 1940 was an evil boy genius. (think 'Stewie' on the
'Family Guy') The procceds from all those illicit arms sales went to
pay for the relocation of 6 million Jews to a secret Island paradise in
the Mediterranean. The world may have been fooled, but you and I know
the truth, don't we, Yang?
H.
-----
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -2463 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
-----
"Ahhhhhh, yessssssss, ummmmmmm - Alito, Alito, Alito"
-duke (duckgumbo@cox.net), aka PedophilEarl J Weber, 59
year old mateless, heirless biological failure
of Afton Oaks Apartment, Baton Rouge,who pussied
out of the Vietnam draft, showing his gay side
despite his avowed anti-gay bigotry
Contact duke's priest and ask
him why duke is such a racist:
http://www.stpatrickbr.org/
Father Gerard "Jerry" Martin
stpatrickbr<AT>bellsouth<DOT>net
Saint Patrick Catholic Church
12424 Brogdon Lane
Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70816
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