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"Gactimus" |
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17 Nov 2004 09:12:52 AM |
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Post-War Iraq Vs. Post-War Germany |
I think a lot of what people call "lack of planning" in Iraq is really just
"lack of perspective". What we're doing there is worthwhile, but it's not
easy or simple. No matter how you slice it, it's bloody, dangerous, and
dirty work....just like it was in Germany after after WW2...
"Try Germany 1946, in the first year after World War II.
To hear the liberals tell the story, once the Allies conquered the Nazis,
they stayed conquered - with American forces treated like the liberators
they were.
But according to Fox News Channel war historian Oliver North, not every
conquered German welcomed the American occupation with open arms.
On Monday North detailed the little-known truth about the post-World War II
U.S. experience to ABC radio host Sean Hannity:
"From May 8, 1945 until June 1946, over a thousand Americans and their
dependents were killed by German terrorists," he explained, while
discussing his new book, "War Stories II: Heroism in the Pacific."
So, how did the U.S. eventually quell the violence?
"General Eisenhower went to [interim German leader] Konrad Adenauer, the
guy we hand-picked to run the new government," said North. "And he told
him, 'You either stop this or we'll get a new guy to run this country.'"
Adenauer prompty contacted the Wermacht and told them to take care of the
problem at all costs, using former SS troops if necessary.
"It wasn't pretty," said North. "There were no trials - nobody was brought
before tribunals or anything like that. The German army just went out and
took care of it. And the killing stopped."
Is what we're doing in Iraq worth it even if it isn't easy? Well, was
Germany worth it? Was Japan? Was helping South Korea rebuild after the
Korean War? I say "yes," and I strongly suspect that 20 years from now,
once the fighting is over and Iraq is a Democratic country, a lot of the
naysayers today will have a very different perspective on whether it was
worth it than they do today.
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| User: "ouroboros rex" |
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| Title: Re: Post-War Iraq Vs. Post-War Germany |
17 Nov 2004 09:53:50 AM |
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
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I think a lot of what people call "lack of planning" in Iraq is really just
"lack of perspective". What we're doing there is worthwhile, but it's not
easy or simple. No matter how you slice it, it's bloody, dangerous, and
dirty work....just like it was in Germany after after WW2...
"Try Germany 1946, in the first year after World War II.
To hear the liberals tell the story, once the Allies conquered the Nazis,
they stayed conquered - with American forces treated like the liberators
they were.
But according to Fox News Channel war historian Oliver North,
Ollie north, the guy who sold Hawk antiaircraft missiles to Iran? roflmao
Lying Fox News' own little criminal is your source? Cool. lol
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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| Title: Re: Post-War Iraq Vs. Post-War Germany |
17 Nov 2004 09:44:18 AM |
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"ouroboros rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote in
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
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I think a lot of what people call "lack of planning" in Iraq is really
just "lack of perspective". What we're doing there is worthwhile, but
it's not easy or simple. No matter how you slice it, it's bloody,
dangerous, and dirty work....just like it was in Germany after after
WW2...
"Try Germany 1946, in the first year after World War II.
To hear the liberals tell the story, once the Allies conquered the
Nazis, they stayed conquered - with American forces treated like the
liberators they were.
But according to Fox News Channel war historian Oliver North,
Ollie north, the guy who sold Hawk antiaircraft missiles to Iran?
roflmao
Lying Fox News' own little criminal is your source? Cool. lol
Since when did the left start caring about war crimes? After all, John Kerry
was a self-admitted war criminal.
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| User: "ouroboros rex" |
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| Title: Re: Post-War Iraq Vs. Post-War Germany |
17 Nov 2004 10:41:21 AM |
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
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"ouroboros rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote in
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
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I think a lot of what people call "lack of planning" in Iraq is really
just "lack of perspective". What we're doing there is worthwhile, but
it's not easy or simple. No matter how you slice it, it's bloody,
dangerous, and dirty work....just like it was in Germany after after
WW2...
"Try Germany 1946, in the first year after World War II.
To hear the liberals tell the story, once the Allies conquered the
Nazis, they stayed conquered - with American forces treated like the
liberators they were.
But according to Fox News Channel war historian Oliver North,
Ollie north, the guy who sold Hawk antiaircraft missiles to Iran?
roflmao
Lying Fox News' own little criminal is your source? Cool. lol
Since when did the left start caring about war crimes? After all, John
Kerry
was a self-admitted war criminal.
Cite?
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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| Title: Re: Post-War Iraq Vs. Post-War Germany |
17 Nov 2004 10:44:23 AM |
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"ouroboros rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote in
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
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"ouroboros rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote in
news:cnfs6f$ifl$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu:
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
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I think a lot of what people call "lack of planning" in Iraq is
really just "lack of perspective". What we're doing there is
worthwhile, but it's not easy or simple. No matter how you slice it,
it's bloody, dangerous, and dirty work....just like it was in Germany
after after WW2...
"Try Germany 1946, in the first year after World War II.
To hear the liberals tell the story, once the Allies conquered the
Nazis, they stayed conquered - with American forces treated like the
liberators they were.
But according to Fox News Channel war historian Oliver North,
Ollie north, the guy who sold Hawk antiaircraft missiles to Iran?
roflmao
Lying Fox News' own little criminal is your source? Cool. lol
Since when did the left start caring about war crimes? After all, John
Kerry was a self-admitted war criminal.
Cite?
"There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes,
I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have
committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted
harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we
were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people.
I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All
of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the
Geneva Conventions" --John Kerry, April 18, 1971
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| User: "ouroboros rex" |
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| Title: Re: Post-War Iraq Vs. Post-War Germany |
17 Nov 2004 12:56:17 PM |
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
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"ouroboros rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote in
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
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"ouroboros rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote in
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
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I think a lot of what people call "lack of planning" in Iraq is
really just "lack of perspective". What we're doing there is
worthwhile, but it's not easy or simple. No matter how you slice it,
it's bloody, dangerous, and dirty work....just like it was in Germany
after after WW2...
"Try Germany 1946, in the first year after World War II.
To hear the liberals tell the story, once the Allies conquered the
Nazis, they stayed conquered - with American forces treated like the
liberators they were.
But according to Fox News Channel war historian Oliver North,
Ollie north, the guy who sold Hawk antiaircraft missiles to Iran?
roflmao
Lying Fox News' own little criminal is your source? Cool. lol
Since when did the left start caring about war crimes? After all, John
Kerry was a self-admitted war criminal.
Cite?
"There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes,
yes,
I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers
have
committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted
harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we
were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against
people.
I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages.
All
of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the
Geneva Conventions" --John Kerry, April 18, 1971
Great, now you need a cite calling these things, which thousands and
thousands of US servicemen did, war crimes.
Hint - don't go to swift boat vets for 'truth', lol
Oh, BTW - how is selling missiles to someone we are not at war with a war
crime?
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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| Title: Re: Post-War Iraq Vs. Post-War Germany |
17 Nov 2004 12:50:38 PM |
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"ouroboros rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote in
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
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"ouroboros rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote in
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
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"ouroboros rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote in
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
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I think a lot of what people call "lack of planning" in Iraq is
really just "lack of perspective". What we're doing there is
worthwhile, but it's not easy or simple. No matter how you slice
it, it's bloody, dangerous, and dirty work....just like it was in
Germany after after WW2...
"Try Germany 1946, in the first year after World War II.
To hear the liberals tell the story, once the Allies conquered the
Nazis, they stayed conquered - with American forces treated like
the liberators they were.
But according to Fox News Channel war historian Oliver North,
Ollie north, the guy who sold Hawk antiaircraft missiles to Iran?
roflmao
Lying Fox News' own little criminal is your source? Cool. lol
Since when did the left start caring about war crimes? After all,
John Kerry was a self-admitted war criminal.
Cite?
"There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes,
yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other
soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire
zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre
machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our
only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions,
in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of
warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions" --John
Kerry, April 18, 1971
Great, now you need a cite calling these things, which thousands and
thousands of US servicemen did, war crimes.
John Kerry mentioned it in the quote above.
"All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary
to the Geneva Conventions."
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Post-War Iraq Vs. Post-War Germany |
17 Nov 2004 11:34:01 PM |
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
"ouroboros rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote in
news:cnfs6f$ifl$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu:
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:cnfppk$7n7$2@news1.usf.edu...
I think a lot of what people call "lack of planning" in Iraq is really
just "lack of perspective". What we're doing there is worthwhile, but
it's not easy or simple. No matter how you slice it, it's bloody,
dangerous, and dirty work....just like it was in Germany after after
WW2...
"Try Germany 1946, in the first year after World War II.
To hear the liberals tell the story, once the Allies conquered the
Nazis, they stayed conquered - with American forces treated like the
liberators they were.
But according to Fox News Channel war historian Oliver North,
Ollie north, the guy who sold Hawk antiaircraft missiles to Iran?
roflmao
Lying Fox News' own little criminal is your source? Cool. lol
Since when did the left start caring about war crimes? After all, John Kerry
Clasic response of the neocon hypocrite - find somebody else to blame.
Since when did the left start caring about war crimes? After all, John Kerry
was a self-admitted war criminal.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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| Title: Re: Post-War Iraq Vs. Post-War Germany |
18 Nov 2004 06:57:36 AM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
"ouroboros rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote in
news:cnfs6f$ifl$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu:
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:cnfppk$7n7$2@news1.usf.edu...
I think a lot of what people call "lack of planning" in Iraq is
really just "lack of perspective". What we're doing there is
worthwhile, but it's not easy or simple. No matter how you slice it,
it's bloody, dangerous, and dirty work....just like it was in Germany
after after WW2...
"Try Germany 1946, in the first year after World War II.
To hear the liberals tell the story, once the Allies conquered the
Nazis, they stayed conquered - with American forces treated like the
liberators they were.
But according to Fox News Channel war historian Oliver North,
Ollie north, the guy who sold Hawk antiaircraft missiles to Iran?
roflmao
Lying Fox News' own little criminal is your source? Cool. lol
Since when did the left start caring about war crimes? After all, John
Kerry
Clasic response of the neocon hypocrite - find somebody else to blame.
That must be your standard response when you've been exposed as a
hypocrite.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Pre-War Iraq Vs. Pre-War Germany |
17 Nov 2004 11:33:22 PM |
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
I think a lot of what people call "lack of planning" in Iraq is really just
"lack of perspective". What we're doing there is worthwhile,
Saddan kills hundreds of thousands of Kurdish "terrorists" in order to
impose stability and security.
Bush kills hundreds of thousands of Iraqi "terrorists" in order to
impose stability and security.
"Worthwhile" indeed.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "zach" |
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| Title: Re: Pre-War Iraq Vs. Pre-War Germany |
18 Nov 2004 04:41:05 PM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<cnhc71$tse$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
I think a lot of what people call "lack of planning" in Iraq is really just
"lack of perspective". What we're doing there is worthwhile,
Saddan kills hundreds of thousands of Kurdish "terrorists" in order to
impose stability and security.
Bush kills hundreds of thousands
"hundres of thousands..." Liberals can't count.
of Iraqi "terrorists" in order to
impose stability and security.
"Worthwhile" indeed.
The US Military isn't deliberately targeting women and children
(because they aren't terrorists). Abu-Graib was stopped, and the
perp's held accountable. In addition, the wives and children of
civilians weren't tortured and murdered in front of them, ulike in the
old regime. Saddam made no distinctions. The obvious is lost on
Liberals, though.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Pre-War Iraq Vs. Pre-War Germany |
19 Nov 2004 10:59:30 PM |
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zach <victorthecleaner@gmail.com> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<cnhc71$tse$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
I think a lot of what people call "lack of planning" in Iraq is really just
"lack of perspective". What we're doing there is worthwhile,
Saddan kills hundreds of thousands of Kurdish "terrorists" in order to
impose stability and security.
Bush kills hundreds of thousands
"hundres of thousands..." Liberals can't count.
Bigots can't think and can't deal with reality.
of Iraqi "terrorists" in order to
impose stability and security.
"Worthwhile" indeed.
The US Military isn't deliberately targeting women and children
(because they aren't terrorists).
The invasion wasn't an accident, moron.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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