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Science > Abortion |
| User: |
"Papa Jack" |
| Date: |
28 Jan 2004 06:01:51 PM |
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Prayer in Arizona House |
On Jan. 28, 2004, The Arizona Republic posted an article
titled: "House Democrats Claim Prayer is 'Disrespectful'."
http://www.azcentral.com/php-bin/clicktrack/print.php?referer=http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0128prayer28.html
______________________________________________________________________
"Rep. Doug Quelland, R-Phoenix, caused a stir
on Tuesday when he delivered a prayer on the
House floor that took aim at multiculturalism,
welfare, abortion and 'alternative lifestyles.'
"It was a prayer that has made the rounds on the
Internet since 1996 when it was delivered before
the Kansas House of Representatives.
"Offended Democrats, led by Rep. Wally Straughn
of Phoenix, filed an official protest, saying
the prayer was partisan, disrespectful and divisive.
"Here is the prayer:
"Heavenly Father, we come before you today
to ask your forgiveness and to seek your
direction and guidance. We know your word
says, 'Woe to those who call evil good,'
but that is exactly what we have done. We
have lost our spiritual equilibrium and
inverted our values. We confess that:
"We have ridiculed the absolute truth of
your word and called it pluralism.
"We have worshiped other gods and called
it multiculturalism.
"We have endorsed perversion and called
it alternative lifestyle.
"We have exploited the poor and called it
the lottery.
"We have neglected the needy and called it
self-preservation.
"We have rewarded laziness and called it welfare.
"We have killed our unborn and called it choice.
"We have shot abortionists and called it justifiable.
"We have neglected to discipline our children
and called it building self-esteem.
"We have abused power and called it political savvy.
"We have coveted our neighbor's possessions and
called it ambition.
"We have polluted the air with profanity and
pornography and called it freedom of expression.
"And we have ridiculed the time-honored values
of our forefathers and called it enlightenment.
"Search us, O God, and know our hearts today;
try us and see if there be some wicked way in
us; cleanse us from every sin and set us free.
"In the name of your son, the living Savior,
Jesus Christ. Amen."
"This is the Democrats' response:
"Straughn: "Pursuant to House Rule 20, we,
all the members of the House Democratic
Caucus, protest the lack of respect that
was shown the members of this body and
the citizens of Arizona during the opening
prayer on January 26, 2004.
"The opening prayer is the one opportunity
during each day that we can come together
as a body. The opening prayer should unite
us, not divide us.
"But the prayer on January 26, 2004, was
divisive. It was a pandering, mudslinging,
name-calling political statement. It was
hateful and mean-spirited. It was undignified.
"The citizens of Arizona deserve better. We
are diverse. We have unique perspectives. And
our unique voices should be respected. Especi-
ally during the opening prayer, as members of
this body we must set aside our differences
and show respect for Arizona in all of its
diversity."
______________________________________________________________________
Papa Jack comments:
Please note that the Democrat complaint is NOT about
starting the day with a prayer on the House floor.
Rather, the complaint was that the content of the
prayer was divisive. "...as members of this body
we must set aside our differences and show respect
for Arizona in all of its diversity." What about
respect for God?
Therein lies a major problem with the concept of
even allowing an opening prayer in such a public
environment. To avoid such controversy, the person
leading the prayer must disregard his own religious
beliefs and say only those things which will make
the other folks there "feel good." Such a "prayer"
is clearly the opposite of what Jesus taught his
followers. If you pray just to please men, then
you will probably offend God.
Matthew 6:5
"And when you pray, you shall not be like
the hypocrites. For they love to pray
standing in the synagogues and on the
corners of the streets, that they may
be seen by men...."
http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=MATT+6:4-6&language=english&version=NKJV&showfn=on&showxref=on
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| User: "--sexkitten--" |
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| Title: Re: Prayer in Arizona House |
29 Jan 2004 06:07:34 PM |
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"Papa Jack" <papajack@stic.net> wrote in message
news:6f9e1b49.0401281601.486b2af7@posting.google.com...
On Jan. 28, 2004, The Arizona Republic posted an article
titled: "House Democrats Claim Prayer is 'Disrespectful'."
http://www.azcentral.com/php-bin/clicktrack/print.php?referer=http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0128prayer28.html
______________________________________________________________________
"Rep. Doug Quelland, R-Phoenix, caused a stir
on Tuesday when he delivered a prayer on the
House floor that took aim at multiculturalism,
welfare, abortion and 'alternative lifestyles.'
"It was a prayer that has made the rounds on the
Internet since 1996 when it was delivered before
the Kansas House of Representatives.
"Offended Democrats, led by Rep. Wally Straughn
of Phoenix, filed an official protest, saying
the prayer was partisan, disrespectful and divisive.
"Here is the prayer:
"Heavenly Father, we come before you today
to ask your forgiveness and to seek your
direction and guidance. We know your word
says, 'Woe to those who call evil good,'
but that is exactly what we have done. We
have lost our spiritual equilibrium and
inverted our values. We confess that:
"We have ridiculed the absolute truth of
your word and called it pluralism.
And a wise thing to ridicule it is, too.
"We have worshiped other gods and called
it multiculturalism.
We call it faith.
"We have endorsed perversion and called
it alternative lifestyle.
Call it what you want, so long as you leave it alone.
"We have exploited the poor and called it
the lottery.
"We have neglected the needy and called it
self-preservation.
"We have rewarded laziness and called it welfare.
Excuse me, but don't these two contradict each other?
"We have killed our unborn and called it choice.
It is a choice.
"We have shot abortionists and called it justifiable.
Finally, something they NEED to repent.
"We have neglected to discipline our children
and called it building self-esteem.
"We have abused power and called it political savvy.
"We have coveted our neighbor's possessions and
called it ambition.
"We have polluted the air with profanity and
pornography and called it freedom of expression.
"And we have ridiculed the time-honored values
of our forefathers and called it enlightenment.
"Search us, O God, and know our hearts today;
try us and see if there be some wicked way in
us; cleanse us from every sin and set us free.
"In the name of your son, the living Savior,
Jesus Christ. Amen."
"This is the Democrats' response:
"Straughn: "Pursuant to House Rule 20, we,
all the members of the House Democratic
Caucus, protest the lack of respect that
was shown the members of this body and
the citizens of Arizona during the opening
prayer on January 26, 2004.
"The opening prayer is the one opportunity
during each day that we can come together
as a body. The opening prayer should unite
us, not divide us.
"But the prayer on January 26, 2004, was
divisive. It was a pandering, mudslinging,
name-calling political statement. It was
hateful and mean-spirited. It was undignified.
"The citizens of Arizona deserve better. We
are diverse. We have unique perspectives. And
our unique voices should be respected. Especi-
ally during the opening prayer, as members of
this body we must set aside our differences
and show respect for Arizona in all of its
diversity."
Amen.
______________________________________________________________________
Papa Jack comments:
Please note that the Democrat complaint is NOT about
starting the day with a prayer on the House floor.
Rather, the complaint was that the content of the
prayer was divisive. "...as members of this body
we must set aside our differences and show respect
for Arizona in all of its diversity." What about
respect for God?
What about it? That prayer was incredibly disrespectful to mine, and I live
in Arizona.
I have a feeling Quelland may not be returning in the next election.
Therein lies a major problem with the concept of
even allowing an opening prayer in such a public
environment. To avoid such controversy, the person
leading the prayer must disregard his own religious
beliefs and say only those things which will make
the other folks there "feel good." Such a "prayer"
is clearly the opposite of what Jesus taught his
followers. If you pray just to please men, then
you will probably offend God.
Matthew 6:5
"And when you pray, you shall not be like
the hypocrites. For they love to pray
standing in the synagogues and on the
corners of the streets, that they may
be seen by men...."
Agreed. Keep it in your house where I don't have to listen to it, and I will
keep mine there as well.
--
God is a noise people make when they're too tired to think anymore.
-Edward Abbey
http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=MATT+6:4-6&language=english&version=NKJV&showfn=on&showxref=on
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| User: "The other Donald" |
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| Title: Re: Prayer in Arizona House |
29 Jan 2004 10:03:04 PM |
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"--sexkitten--" <ladyhawk_two@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bvc7as$r4saa$1@ID-163025.news.uni-berlin.de...
"Papa Jack" <papajack@stic.net> wrote in message
news:6f9e1b49.0401281601.486b2af7@posting.google.com...
On Jan. 28, 2004, The Arizona Republic posted an article
titled: "House Democrats Claim Prayer is 'Disrespectful'."
http://www.azcentral.com/php-bin/clicktrack/print.php?referer=http://www.azc
entral.com/news/articles/0128prayer28.html
______________________________________________________________________
"Rep. Doug Quelland, R-Phoenix, caused a stir
on Tuesday when he delivered a prayer on the
House floor that took aim at multiculturalism,
welfare, abortion and 'alternative lifestyles.'
<big snip>
What about it? That prayer was incredibly disrespectful to mine, and I
live
in Arizona.
I have a feeling Quelland may not be returning in the next election.
Therein lies a major problem with the concept of
even allowing an opening prayer in such a public
environment. To avoid such controversy, the person
leading the prayer must disregard his own religious
beliefs and say only those things which will make
the other folks there "feel good." Such a "prayer"
is clearly the opposite of what Jesus taught his
followers. If you pray just to please men, then
you will probably offend God.
Matthew 6:5
"And when you pray, you shall not be like
the hypocrites. For they love to pray
standing in the synagogues and on the
corners of the streets, that they may
be seen by men...."
Here's yet ANOTHER good example of how the second-ranked liar of this
newsgroup continues to shamelessly spew his stupidity.
JackOff conveniently left off the actual context of this particular Bible
verse grouping so that he could put his own spin on it. Here are the verses
in their entirety, which will show their meaning is NOTHING like the
***** JackOff portrays:
Matthew 6:3 to 6:9
6:3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right
hand doeth:
6:4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret
himself shall reward thee openly.
6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for
they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the
streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have
their reward.
6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast
shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which
seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they
think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
6:8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things
ye have need of, before ye ask him.
6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven,
Hallowed be thy name.
6:10-etc....Lord's prayer....
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mt/6.html
This does not state, as JackOff claims, that saying the "wrong things" in
prayer are against Scripture. JackOff tries to imply the usual Persecuted
Christian(tm) *****. He tries to make it sound as though poor, little
Rep. Quelland is being put down for adhering to God's Law(tm).
What it states, JACK, is that public prayer is a display of hypocrisy and
ego. Jesus does not approve, and states, explicitly, to "PRAY IN YOUR
CLOSET, IN SECRET." That means pray in private.
Of course, JackOff & Company couldn't have that. They are too egotistical to
set aside their own self-righteousness and actually adhere to the words of
their professed Messiah, Jesus.
Here's a clue, Jack: Quit using Jesus as an excuse to for being a
narrow-minded, hypocritical, bigoted liar.
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
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| User: "Papa Jack" |
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| Title: Re: Prayer in Arizona House |
30 Jan 2004 10:00:35 AM |
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"The other Donald" <the_donald_13@yehaw2.com> wrote in message
news:<YHkSb.3884$ee6.3332@fe2.texas.rr.com>...
"--sexkitten--" <ladyhawk_two@nospamhotmail.com> wrote:
"Papa Jack" <papajack@stic.net> wrote:
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Papa Jack cited:
On Jan. 28, 2004, The Arizona Republic posted an article
titled: "House Democrats Claim Prayer is 'Disrespectful'."
http://www.azcentral.com/php-bin/clicktrack/print.php?referer=http://www.azc
entral.com/news/articles/0128prayer28.html
______________________________________________________________________
"Rep. Doug Quelland, R-Phoenix, caused a stir
on Tuesday when he delivered a prayer on the
House floor that took aim at multiculturalism,
welfare, abortion and 'alternative lifestyles.'
<big snip>
Therein lies a major problem with the concept of
even allowing an opening prayer in such a public
environment. To avoid such controversy, the person
leading the prayer must disregard his own religious
beliefs and say only those things which will make
the other folks there "feel good." Such a "prayer"
is clearly the opposite of what Jesus taught his
followers. If you pray just to please men, then
you will probably offend God.
Matthew 6:5
"And when you pray, you shall not be like
the hypocrites. For they love to pray
standing in the synagogues and on the
corners of the streets, that they may
be seen by men...."
========================================================================
The other Donald screeched:
Here's yet ANOTHER good example of how the second-ranked
liar of this newsgroup continues to shamelessly spew his
stupidity.
JackOff conveniently left off the actual context of this
particular Bible verse grouping so that he could put his
own spin on it. Here are the verses in their entirety,
which will show their meaning is NOTHING like the
***** JackOff portrays:
[snip]
This does not state, as JackOff claims, that saying
the "wrong things" in prayer are against Scripture.
JackOff tries to imply the usual Persecuted Christian(tm)
*****. He tries to make it sound as though poor,
little Rep. Quelland is being put down for adhering to
God's Law(tm).
What it states, JACK, is that public prayer is a display
of hypocrisy and ego. Jesus does not approve, and states,
explicitly, to "PRAY IN YOUR CLOSET, IN SECRET." That
means pray in private.
========================================================================
Papa Jack shakes his head in disgust:
Wipe the foam from your lips and go back and read
what I actually wrote, Doofus.
"Therein lies a major problem with the concept of
even allowing an opening prayer in such a public
environment... ...If you pray just to please men,
then you will probably offend God."
I would prefer to see public prayers in such govern-
mental activities prohibited.
Thanks, Donald Doofus.
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| User: "osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Prayer in Arizona House |
30 Jan 2004 04:48:41 PM |
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(Papa Jack) wrote in message news:<6f9e1b49.0401300800.1750f606@posting.google.com>...
"The other Donald" <the_donald_13@yehaw2.com> wrote in message
news:<YHkSb.3884$ee6.3332@fe2.texas.rr.com>...
"--sexkitten--" <ladyhawk_two@nospamhotmail.com> wrote:
"Papa Jack" < > wrote:
========================================================================
Papa Jack cited:
On Jan. 28, 2004, The Arizona Republic posted an article
titled: "House Democrats Claim Prayer is 'Disrespectful'."
http://www.azcentral.com/php-bin/clicktrack/print.php?referer=http://www.azc
entral.com/news/articles/0128prayer28.html
______________________________________________________________________
"Rep. Doug Quelland, R-Phoenix, caused a stir
on Tuesday when he delivered a prayer on the
House floor that took aim at multiculturalism,
welfare, abortion and 'alternative lifestyles.'
<big snip>
Therein lies a major problem with the concept of
even allowing an opening prayer in such a public
environment. To avoid such controversy, the person
leading the prayer must disregard his own religious
beliefs and say only those things which will make
the other folks there "feel good." Such a "prayer"
is clearly the opposite of what Jesus taught his
followers. If you pray just to please men, then
you will probably offend God.
Matthew 6:5
"And when you pray, you shall not be like
the hypocrites. For they love to pray
standing in the synagogues and on the
corners of the streets, that they may
be seen by men...."
========================================================================
The other Donald screeched:
Here's yet ANOTHER good example of how the second-ranked
liar of this newsgroup continues to shamelessly spew his
stupidity.
JackOff conveniently left off the actual context of this
particular Bible verse grouping so that he could put his
own spin on it. Here are the verses in their entirety,
which will show their meaning is NOTHING like the
***** JackOff portrays:
[snip]
This does not state, as JackOff claims, that saying
the "wrong things" in prayer are against Scripture.
JackOff tries to imply the usual Persecuted Christian(tm)
*****. He tries to make it sound as though poor,
little Rep. Quelland is being put down for adhering to
God's Law(tm).
What it states, JACK, is that public prayer is a display
of hypocrisy and ego. Jesus does not approve, and states,
explicitly, to "PRAY IN YOUR CLOSET, IN SECRET." That
means pray in private.
========================================================================
Papa Jack shakes his head in disgust:
Wipe the foam from your lips and go back and read
what I actually wrote, Doofus.
"Therein lies a major problem with the concept of
even allowing an opening prayer in such a public
environment... ...If you pray just to please men,
then you will probably offend God."
I would prefer to see public prayers in such govern-
mental activities prohibited.
Thanks, Donald Doofus.
I think I see what you are saying Papajack
Although I don't think I would want to see prayer prohibited, I think
I see what you are trying to say.
They are not genuine as much as they are for political show. Am I
right?
You are right about what you said about prayer. Prayer isn't for show
or to prove anything to anyone. Even Christ went off to pray alone.
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| User: "The other Donald" |
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| Title: Re: Prayer in Arizona House -PapaJackOff is a disingenuous liar |
29 Jan 2004 10:00:40 PM |
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"--sexkitten--" <ladyhawk_two@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bvc7as$r4saa$1@ID-163025.news.uni-berlin.de...
"Papa Jack" <papajack@stic.net> wrote in message
news:6f9e1b49.0401281601.486b2af7@posting.google.com...
On Jan. 28, 2004, The Arizona Republic posted an article
titled: "House Democrats Claim Prayer is 'Disrespectful'."
<snip>
What about it? That prayer was incredibly disrespectful to mine, and I
live
in Arizona.
I have a feeling Quelland may not be returning in the next election.
Therein lies a major problem with the concept of
even allowing an opening prayer in such a public
environment. To avoid such controversy, the person
leading the prayer must disregard his own religious
beliefs and say only those things which will make
the other folks there "feel good." Such a "prayer"
is clearly the opposite of what Jesus taught his
followers. If you pray just to please men, then
you will probably offend God.
Matthew 6:5
"And when you pray, you shall not be like
the hypocrites. For they love to pray
standing in the synagogues and on the
corners of the streets, that they may
be seen by men...."
Here's yet ANOTHER good example of how the second-ranked liar of this
newsgroup continues to shamelessly spew his stupidity.
JackOff conveniently left off the actual context of this particular Bible
verse grouping so that he could put his own spin on it. Here are the verses
in their entirety, which will show their meaning is NOTHING like the
***** JackOff portrays:
Matthew 6:3 to 6:9
6:3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand
doeth:
6:4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret
himself shall reward thee openly.
6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they
love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets,
that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast
shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which
seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they
think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
6:8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things
ye have need of, before ye ask him.
6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven,
Hallowed be thy name.
6:10-etc....Lord's prayer....
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mt/6.html
This does not state, as JackOff claims, that saying the "wrong things" in
prayer are against Scripture. JackOff tries to imply the usual Persecuted
Christian(tm) *****. He tries to make it sound as though poor, little
Rep. Quelland is being put down for adhering to God's Law(tm).
What it states, JACK, is that public prayer is a display of hypocrisy and
ego. Jesus does not approve, and states, explicitly, to "PRAY IN YOUR
CLOSET, IN SECRET." That means pray in private.
Of course, JackOff & Company couldn't have that. They are too egotistical to
set aside their own self-righteousness and actually adhere to the words of
their professed Messiah, Jesus.
Here's a clue, Jack: Quit using Jesus as an excuse to for being a
narrow-minded, hypocritical, bigoted liar.
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
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| User: "Spam" |
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| Title: Re: Prayer in Arizona House == IN PROGRESS == |
30 Jan 2004 07:58:01 AM |
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In article <401b22fa.22747346@netnews.mchsi.com>
xanadu222@mchsi.com (Craig Chilton) wrote:
On 28 Jan 2004 16:01:51 -0800, (Papa Jack) wrote:
On Jan. 28, 2004, The Arizona Republic posted an article
titled: "House Democrats Claim Prayer is 'Disrespectful'."
http://www.azcentral.com/php-bin/clicktrack/print.php?referer=http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0128prayer28.html
______________________________________________________________________
"Rep. Doug Quelland, R-Phoenix, caused a stir
on Tuesday when he delivered a prayer on the
House floor that took aim at multiculturalism,
welfare, abortion and 'alternative lifestyles.'
"It was a prayer that has made the rounds on the
Internet since 1996 when it was delivered before
the Kansas House of Representatives.
"Offended Democrats, led by Rep. Wally Straughn
of Phoenix, filed an official protest, saying
the prayer was partisan, disrespectful and divisive.
And was he ever RIGHT!! Just **look** at this hateful
and bigoted piece of TRIPE!! --
"Here is the prayer:
"Heavenly Father, we come before you today
to ask your forgiveness and to seek your
direction and guidance. We know your word
says, 'Woe to those who call evil good,'
but that is exactly what we have done. We
have lost our spiritual equilibrium and
inverted our values. We confess that:
"We have ridiculed the absolute truth of
your word and called it pluralism.
"We have worshiped other gods and called
it multiculturalism.
"We have endorsed perversion and called
it alternative lifestyle.
"We have exploited the poor and called it
the lottery.
"We have neglected the needy and called it
self-preservation.
"We have rewarded laziness and called it welfare.
"We have killed our unborn and called it choice.
"We have shot abortionists and called it justifiable.
"We have neglected to discipline our children
and called it building self-esteem.
"We have abused power and called it political savvy.
"We have coveted our neighbor's possessions and
called it ambition.
"We have polluted the air with profanity and
pornography and called it freedom of expression.
"And we have ridiculed the time-honored values
of our forefathers and called it enlightenment.
"Search us, O God, and know our hearts today;
try us and see if there be some wicked way in
us; cleanse us from every sin and set us free.
"In the name of your son, the living Savior,
Jesus Christ. Amen."
It's hate-tripe like the aove, spewed by the bigots of the RRR cult,
that causes Christianity to be unjustly painted by the brush that only
the bigots deserve. Thus, the bigots are doing nothing but harm. To
society, to our liberties, and to NORMAL Christians... who comprise about
99% of U.S. Christians.
"This is the Democrats' response:
"Straughn: "Pursuant to House Rule 20, we,
all the members of the House Democratic
Caucus, protest the lack of respect that
was shown the members of this body and
the citizens of Arizona during the opening
prayer on January 26, 2004.
"The opening prayer is the one opportunity
during each day that we can come together
as a body. The opening prayer should unite
us, not divide us.
"But the prayer on January 26, 2004, was
divisive. It was a pandering, mudslinging,
name-calling political statement. It was
hateful and mean-spirited. It was undignified.
"The citizens of Arizona deserve better. We
are diverse. We have unique perspectives. And
our unique voices should be respected. Especi-
ally during the opening prayer, as members of
this body we must set aside our differences
and show respect for Arizona in all of its
diversity."
______________________________________________________________________
Papa Jack comments:
Please note that the Democrat complaint is NOT about
starting the day with a prayer on the House floor.
Of course not. Since there was so much BIGOTRY in
that farce of a prayer, it was enough to relegate the violation
of church/state separation to second place!
Rather, the complaint was that the content of the
prayer was divisive. "...as members of this body
we must set aside our differences and show respect
for Arizona in all of its diversity." What about
respect for God?
Therein lies a major problem with the concept of
even allowing an opening prayer in such a public
environment. To avoid such controversy, the person
leading the prayer must disregard his own religious
beliefs and say only those things which will make
the other folks there "feel good."
BETTER YET -- Keep prayer OUT of state institutions.
That's not discrimination against prayer. It is simply to protect
Americans from the
test
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| User: "Lawrence E. McKnight" |
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| Title: Re: Prayer in Arizona House |
28 Jan 2004 10:01:22 PM |
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On 28 Jan 2004 16:01:51 -0800, (Papa Jack) wrote:
On Jan. 28, 2004, The Arizona Republic posted an article
titled: "House Democrats Claim Prayer is 'Disrespectful'."
http://www.azcentral.com/php-bin/clicktrack/print.php?referer=http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0128prayer28.html
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"Rep. Doug Quelland, R-Phoenix, caused a stir
on Tuesday when he delivered a prayer on the
House floor that took aim at multiculturalism,
welfare, abortion and 'alternative lifestyles.'
"It was a prayer that has made the rounds on the
Internet since 1996 when it was delivered before
the Kansas House of Representatives.
"Offended Democrats, led by Rep. Wally Straughn
of Phoenix, filed an official protest, saying
the prayer was partisan, disrespectful and divisive.
"Here is the prayer:
"Heavenly Father, we come before you today
to ask your forgiveness and to seek your
direction and guidance. We know your word
says, 'Woe to those who call evil good,'
but that is exactly what we have done. We
have lost our spiritual equilibrium and
inverted our values. We confess that:
"We have ridiculed the absolute truth of
your word and called it pluralism.
"We have worshiped other gods and called
it multiculturalism.
"We have endorsed perversion and called
it alternative lifestyle.
"We have exploited the poor and called it
the lottery.
"We have neglected the needy and called it
self-preservation.
"We have rewarded laziness and called it welfare.
"We have killed our unborn and called it choice.
"We have shot abortionists and called it justifiable.
"We have neglected to discipline our children
and called it building self-esteem.
"We have abused power and called it political savvy.
"We have coveted our neighbor's possessions and
called it ambition.
"We have polluted the air with profanity and
pornography and called it freedom of expression.
"And we have ridiculed the time-honored values
of our forefathers and called it enlightenment.
"Search us, O God, and know our hearts today;
try us and see if there be some wicked way in
us; cleanse us from every sin and set us free.
"In the name of your son, the living Savior,
Jesus Christ. Amen."
"This is the Democrats' response:
"Straughn: "Pursuant to House Rule 20, we,
all the members of the House Democratic
Caucus, protest the lack of respect that
was shown the members of this body and
the citizens of Arizona during the opening
prayer on January 26, 2004.
"The opening prayer is the one opportunity
during each day that we can come together
as a body. The opening prayer should unite
us, not divide us.
"But the prayer on January 26, 2004, was
divisive. It was a pandering, mudslinging,
name-calling political statement. It was
hateful and mean-spirited. It was undignified.
"The citizens of Arizona deserve better. We
are diverse. We have unique perspectives. And
our unique voices should be respected. Especi-
ally during the opening prayer, as members of
this body we must set aside our differences
and show respect for Arizona in all of its
diversity."
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Papa Jack comments:
Please note that the Democrat complaint is NOT about
starting the day with a prayer on the House floor.
Rather, the complaint was that the content of the
prayer was divisive. "...as members of this body
we must set aside our differences and show respect
for Arizona in all of its diversity." What about
respect for God?
Therein lies a major problem with the concept of
even allowing an opening prayer in such a public
environment. To avoid such controversy, the person
leading the prayer must disregard his own religious
beliefs and say only those things which will make
the other folks there "feel good." Such a "prayer"
is clearly the opposite of what Jesus taught his
followers. If you pray just to please men, then
you will probably offend God.
Matthew 6:5
"And when you pray, you shall not be like
the hypocrites. For they love to pray
standing in the synagogues and on the
corners of the streets, that they may
be seen by men...."
http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=MATT+6:4-6&language=english&version=NKJV&showfn=on&showxref=on
Well, glad to see that you are opposed to state-sponsored prayer.
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Larry
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| Title: Re: Prayer in Arizona House |
29 Jan 2004 11:15:06 PM |
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Lawrence E. McKnight <lawrence.delete.mcknight@sbcglobal.delete.net> wrote in message news:<sb1h1051gdnrkn74jtc8k9jtkdetos7ten@4ax.com>...
On 28 Jan 2004 16:01:51 -0800, (Papa Jack) wrote:
On Jan. 28, 2004, The Arizona Republic posted an article
titled: "House Democrats Claim Prayer is 'Disrespectful'."
http://www.azcentral.com/php-bin/clicktrack/print.php?referer=http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0128prayer28.html
______________________________________________________________________
"Rep. Doug Quelland, R-Phoenix, caused a stir
on Tuesday when he delivered a prayer on the
House floor that took aim at multiculturalism,
welfare, abortion and 'alternative lifestyles.'
"It was a prayer that has made the rounds on the
Internet since 1996 when it was delivered before
the Kansas House of Representatives.
"Offended Democrats, led by Rep. Wally Straughn
of Phoenix, filed an official protest, saying
the prayer was partisan, disrespectful and divisive.
"Here is the prayer:
"Heavenly Father, we come before you today
to ask your forgiveness and to seek your
direction and guidance. We know your word
says, 'Woe to those who call evil good,'
but that is exactly what we have done. We
have lost our spiritual equilibrium and
inverted our values. We confess that:
"We have ridiculed the absolute truth of
your word and called it pluralism.
"We have worshiped other gods and called
it multiculturalism.
"We have endorsed perversion and called
it alternative lifestyle.
"We have exploited the poor and called it
the lottery.
"We have neglected the needy and called it
self-preservation.
"We have rewarded laziness and called it welfare.
"We have killed our unborn and called it choice.
"We have shot abortionists and called it justifiable.
"We have neglected to discipline our children
and called it building self-esteem.
"We have abused power and called it political savvy.
"We have coveted our neighbor's possessions and
called it ambition.
"We have polluted the air with profanity and
pornography and called it freedom of expression.
"And we have ridiculed the time-honored values
of our forefathers and called it enlightenment.
"Search us, O God, and know our hearts today;
try us and see if there be some wicked way in
us; cleanse us from every sin and set us free.
"In the name of your son, the living Savior,
Jesus Christ. Amen."
"This is the Democrats' response:
"Straughn: "Pursuant to House Rule 20, we,
all the members of the House Democratic
Caucus, protest the lack of respect that
was shown the members of this body and
the citizens of Arizona during the opening
prayer on January 26, 2004.
"The opening prayer is the one opportunity
during each day that we can come together
as a body. The opening prayer should unite
us, not divide us.
"But the prayer on January 26, 2004, was
divisive. It was a pandering, mudslinging,
name-calling political statement. It was
hateful and mean-spirited. It was undignified.
"The citizens of Arizona deserve better. We
are diverse. We have unique perspectives. And
our unique voices should be respected. Especi-
ally during the opening prayer, as members of
this body we must set aside our differences
and show respect for Arizona in all of its
diversity."
______________________________________________________________________
Papa Jack comments:
Please note that the Democrat complaint is NOT about
starting the day with a prayer on the House floor.
Rather, the complaint was that the content of the
prayer was divisive. "...as members of this body
we must set aside our differences and show respect
for Arizona in all of its diversity." What about
respect for God?
Therein lies a major problem with the concept of
even allowing an opening prayer in such a public
environment. To avoid such controversy, the person
leading the prayer must disregard his own religious
beliefs and say only those things which will make
the other folks there "feel good." Such a "prayer"
is clearly the opposite of what Jesus taught his
followers. If you pray just to please men, then
you will probably offend God.
Matthew 6:5
"And when you pray, you shall not be like
the hypocrites. For they love to pray
standing in the synagogues and on the
corners of the streets, that they may
be seen by men...."
http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=MATT+6:4-6&language=english&version=NKJV&showfn=on&showxref=on
Well, glad to see that you are opposed to state-sponsored prayer.
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Larry
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Satan's greatest efforts are to prevent men from praying.
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Prayer in Arizona House |
28 Jan 2004 09:17:59 PM |
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Papa Jack <papajack@stic.net> wrote:
On Jan. 28, 2004, The Arizona Republic posted an article
titled: "House Democrats Claim Prayer is 'Disrespectful'."
http://www.azcentral.com/php-bin/clicktrack/print.php?referer=http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0128prayer28.html
______________________________________________________________________
"Rep. Doug Quelland, R-Phoenix, caused a stir
on Tuesday when he delivered a prayer on the
House floor that took aim at multiculturalism,
welfare, abortion and 'alternative lifestyles.'
A prayer for bigotry. No wonder it caused a stir.
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Please note that the Democrat complaint is NOT about
starting the day with a prayer on the House floor.
That's right.
Rather, the complaint was that the content of the
prayer was divisive.
Bigotry.
Therein lies a major problem with the concept of
even allowing an opening prayer in such a public
environment.
"the Democrat complaint is NOT about starting the day with a prayer"
To avoid such controversy, the person
leading the prayer must disregard his own religious
beliefs
Since when are hatred and bigotry supposed to be acceptable, Jackass?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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