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User:	"jsm"
Date:	21 Nov 2004 01:16:40 PM
Object:	Pre Born Babies Do NOT Want To Die, Stop Killing (Aborting) Them.

Click here http://www.prolife.com/celeb.htm and see one of the
"Little Ones/Fetus/a pre born Baby" at the ripe old age of 16 weeks.
See the baby's head, nose, lips and chin as he lays on his back. The
heart is seen in the chest. It beats at 120-180 bpm. The spine is seen
along the lower part of the image. Pre Born Babies are First of the
"Human stages of Life"
This little Baby does not want to Die any more than you
or I want to Die. Let's stop this insanity of Killing Our Young.
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User: "Chuckkles"
Title: Re: Pre Born Babies Do NOT Want To Die, Stop Killing (Aborting) Them.	22 Nov 2004 12:05:54 PM

"jism" <jism542@yahoo.com> wrote in message

This little Baby does not want to Die any more than you
or I want to Die. Let's stop this insanity of Killing Our Young.

No doubt, fetuses think about abortion all day long, worrying and
fretting constantly about it, fearful that they might die. Come to
think of it, I'll bet you must be a fetus yourself!
BTW jism, if you don't like abortion, I highly recommend you
don't have them. Just a thought....
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User: "The other Donald"
Title: Re: Pre Born Babies Do NOT Want To Die, Stop Killing (Aborting) Them.	21 Nov 2004 01:28:31 PM

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No. Probably seen it before, and I have no desire to feed your delusions.

This little Baby does not want to Die

How do you know? Did you ask it? When did you get so self-fucking-righteous
that *YOU* get to speak for others?
--
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
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User: "Robert Swarts"
Title: Re: Pre Born Babies Do NOT Want To Die, Stop Killing (Aborting) Them.	21 Nov 2004 11:35:20 PM

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No. Probably seen it before, and I have no desire to feed your delusions.

How do you know? Did you ask it? When did you get so
self-fucking-righteous
that *YOU* get to speak for others?

They cannot speak for themselves! They are in the womb, unable to speak.
Give them a chance to speak by not destroying them!
If you were a child in the womb and you were killed in the horrible act of
abortion, don't you wish someone spoke up for you?!
I'm sorry, but it is so personal to me. My mother chose to give me up for
adoption rather than to have me aborted. I can't help but think that there
are so many people like me who should be in this world but aren't because
their parents chose to break them... It sickens my heart to see a preborn
child squirming for life during the process of abortion. It sickens my
heart to think that the mothers who chose this procedure will suffer the
rest of their lives knowing they destroyed a child before the child had a
chance to live.
-Robert
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User: "Patrick Lee Humphrey"
Title: Re: Pre Born Babies Do NOT Want To Die, Stop Killing (Aborting) Them.	22 Nov 2004 12:08:11 AM

"Robert Swarts" <rswarts@bu.edu> writes:

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No. Probably seen it before, and I have no desire to feed your delusions.
How do you know? Did you ask it? When did you get so
self-fucking-righteous
that *YOU* get to speak for others?

They cannot speak for themselves! They are in the womb, unable to speak.
Give them a chance to speak by not destroying them!

Why do you want to remove the woman's ability to speak for herself? It's her
body, which means it's not your business.

If you were a child in the womb and you were killed in the horrible act of
abortion, don't you wish someone spoke up for you?!

Quit whining about what could have been and deal with what *is*.

I'm sorry, but it is so personal to me. My mother chose to give me up for
adoption rather than to have me aborted. I can't help but think that there
are so many people like me who should be in this world but aren't because
their parents chose to break them... It sickens my heart to see a preborn
child squirming for life during the process of abortion. It sickens my
heart to think that the mothers who chose this procedure will suffer the
rest of their lives knowing they destroyed a child before the child had a
chance to live.

You're an arrogant little clown. You don't get to make your conscience anyone
else's by forcing them by law to obey your fetish. I have no problem with
leaving the choice to the one person you want to take the right of choice away
from -- the woman who's pregnant. She's almost certainly likely to know her
situation one hell of a lot better than you (or I) could ever hope to.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2004-05 Houston Aeros)
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User: "Dave Lister"
Title: Re: Pre Born Babies Do NOT Want To Die, Stop Killing (Aborting) Them.	21 Nov 2004 11:40:45 PM

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No. Probably seen it before, and I have no desire to feed your
delusions.

How do you know? Did you ask it? When did you get so
self-fucking-righteous
that *YOU* get to speak for others?

They cannot speak for themselves! They are in the womb, unable to
speak. Give them a chance to speak by not destroying them!

If you were a child in the womb and you were killed in the horrible
act of abortion, don't you wish someone spoke up for you?!

I'm sorry, but it is so personal to me. My mother chose to give me up
for adoption rather than to have me aborted. I can't help but think
that there are so many people like me who should be in this world but
aren't because their parents chose to break them... It sickens my
heart to see a preborn child squirming for life during the process of
abortion. It sickens my heart to think that the mothers who chose
this procedure will suffer the rest of their lives knowing they
destroyed a child before the child had a chance to live.

"Every sperm is sacred...."
--
Bush is not my President.
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User: "The other Donald"
Title: Re: Pre Born Babies Do NOT Want To Die, Stop Killing (Aborting) Them.	21 Nov 2004 11:56:01 PM

"Robert Swarts" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote in message
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No. Probably seen it before, and I have no desire to feed your

delusions.

How do you know? Did you ask it? When did you get so
self-fucking-righteous
that *YOU* get to speak for others?

They cannot speak for themselves!

You did not answer the question:
"How do you know? Did you ask it? When did you get so self-fucking-righteous
that *YOU* get to speak for others?"
How do you know it doesn't 'want' to die?
How do you know that abortion isn't just God's(tm) way of cutting down on
the suicide rate?

They are in the womb, unable to speak.

And yet you somehow claim to know what they would say....
You certainly are a conceited *****, aren't you?

Give them a chance to speak by not destroying them!

No.

If you were a child in the womb and you were killed in the horrible act of
abortion, don't you wish someone spoke up for you?!

Since no brain function takes place, it would be irrelevant. I would never
know whether or not I existed.

I'm sorry, but it is so personal to me. My mother chose to give me up for
adoption rather than to have me aborted.

Good for her. But she made the decision on her own, without a bunch of
pandering fucks forcing her to do what *they* wanted.
And, I'm going out on a limb here Robert, you were a healthy, white, male
adopted at birth....

I can't help but think that there
are so many people like me who should be in this world but aren't because
their parents chose to break them... It sickens my heart to see a preborn
child squirming for life during the process of abortion.

Lemme guess.....the horribly debunked "Silent Scream."

It sickens my
heart to think that the mothers who chose this procedure will suffer the
rest of their lives knowing they destroyed a child before the child had a
chance to live.

And it is their burden to carry. Or it may be no burden to them at all. You
are expecting others to feel the way you do, and that is where your position
falls apart.
--
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
.

User: "Attila"
Title: Re: Pre Born Babies Do NOT Want To Die, Stop Killing (Aborting) Them.	22 Nov 2004 06:47:19 AM

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 00:35:20 -0500, "Robert Swarts" <rswarts@bu.edu>
in alt.abortion with message-id <cnrtse$ol3$1@news3.bu.edu> wrote:

"The other Donald" <the_donald_13@yeehaw2.com> wrote in message
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"jsm" <jsm542@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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No. Probably seen it before, and I have no desire to feed your delusions.

How do you know? Did you ask it? When did you get so
self-fucking-righteous
that *YOU* get to speak for others?

They cannot speak for themselves! They are in the womb, unable to speak.
Give them a chance to speak by not destroying them!

Irrelevant.

If you were a child in the womb and you were killed in the horrible act of
abortion, don't you wish someone spoke up for you?!

No, because I would never have existed and thus would have no
knowledge of anything.

Then don't have an abortion. But that is no reason to deny it to
others.

It sickens my heart to see a preborn
child squirming for life during the process of abortion.

There is no child prior to birth and no 'preborn'. Have you
personally seen a fetus do this? Of course, most abortions occur long
before there is much of anything to 'squirm' or even have the ability
to do this.

It sickens my
heart to think that the mothers who chose this procedure will suffer the
rest of their lives knowing they destroyed a child before the child had a
chance to live.

THE MYTH OF POST-ABORTION TRAUMA
by Henry P David PhD
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Induced abortion is one of the oldest forms of fertility
regulation. Perhaps no other elective procedure has evoked
as much public debate, generated such emotional and moral
controversy or received greater sustained attention from the
media. As has long been recognised, there is no
psychologically painless way of coping with an unwanted
pregnancy. While an abortion may elicit feelings of regret,
guilt or loss, an alternative solution, such as a forced
marriage, giving a baby up for adoption or adding an
unwanted child to an already strained partner relationship,
is also likely to be accompanied by psychological problems
for the woman, the child and society.
Of all the complications of abortion, psychological
responses are the most difficult to assess and evaluate�pfar
more so than mortality and morbidity statistics. Assuming
that psychiatric or psychological morbidity is a real and
measurable phenomenon, the explanation for the wide range of
opinions expressed in the literature may well lie in the
inadequacy of much of the published work. Included in the
scientific deficiencies are an overemphasis on clinical case
histories that ignore the large majority of women who
terminate unwanted pregnancies and never seek post-operative
mental health consultation; the absence of standardised
follow-up procedures; failure to reach consensus on
diagnostic psychological criteria; or disagreement on
psychological variables related to the sociocultural context
within which the abortion decision occurs. Differing
political, moral, ethical and religious perspectives impinge
on how abortion is perceived by diverse observers.
Post-abortion trauma was initially described by Rue1 as a
variant of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD).
Subsequently it has been asserted that in 1987 the American
Psychiatric Association acknowledged in its newly revised
manual of diagnostic criteria, the Diagnostic and
Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders III-R (DSM-III-R)
that abortion is a type of 'psychosocial stressor.' However,
the American Psychiatric Association never published a
statement suggesting this. Neither the 1987 nor the 1994
revision of the APA Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM
III-R and IV) mention abortion in relation to post-traumatic
stress disorder. Indeed, the only mention of abortion in DSM
IV is spontaneous abortion.
As defined by the APA, PTSD is a disabling condition
'following exposure to an extreme traumatic stressor
involving direct personal experience of an event that
involves actual or threatened death or serious injury'.
Likely stressors cited by APA as examples of PTSD include
military combat, violent personal assault, terrorist attack,
and being held hostage. It is quite a stretch to claim
abortion as a stressor likely to induce PTSD.
Usdin2, one of the major developers of the concept of post-
traumatic stress disorder noted that one of the criteria for
PTSD is experiencing 'an event that is outside the range of
usual human experience and that would be markedly
distressing to almost anyone.' Considering that more than 30
million women in the USA and four million women in the UK
have experienced abortion since its legalisation it can
hardly be said that the abortion experience is outside the
range of usual human experience. There has been no reported
increase in public or private mental health services for
women attributing their current psychological problems to
abortion.
The rationale for post-abortion syndrome (PAS) was developed
by A C Speckhard in 1985 in an unpublished thesis based on
interviews with 30 women recruited for her doctoral
dissertation in sociology at the University of Minnesota.
The women had been recruited because they deemed their
abortion experience to have been 'highly stressful'. The
time between the retrospective account and the most recent
abortion varied from one to 25 years. Both legal and
clandestine abortions were included. 46 per cent of the
sample had second trimester abortions and four per cent
experienced third trimester terminations, both known to be
more psychologically stressful than first trimester
procedures. Whereas over 90 per cent of all women having
abortions in 1990 had them in the first trimester, only 50
per cent of Speckhard's sample reported first trimester
abortions. More than nine out of 10 (92 per cent) of the
women recalled feelings of anger, hostility or rage toward
individuals (including partner, medical professionals and
significant others) who were perceived as having been
coercive in the abortion decision-making process. Moreover,
96 per cent of the subjects 'regarded abortion as the taking
of a life or as murder,' an observation very likely to
heighten feelings of guilt and perceptions of stress.
Speckhard later cautioned readers that 'the generalisability
of the results is severely limited by the size of the sample
and the sampling methodology,' adding that 'the results
presented do not necessarily apply to all women who have
abortions, or even to that proportion of women who are
highly stressed following abortion.' It was indeed an
atypical sample.
Recognising the political, ethical and moral issues
intertwined with abortion and in response to questions
raised in the United States Congress about the medical and
mental health effects of abortion, the American
Psychological Association, in 1989, convened an expert panel
to examine psychological factors. The panel's mission was
not to assess values but to consider the best available
evidence on psychological responses to abortion. It focused
on studies with the most rigorous research designs,
reporting findings on the psychological status of women who
had legal abortions under non-restrictive circumstances,
that is, on request in the first trimester and not solely on
grounds of physical or mental health.
The panel found that psychological distress is generally
greatest before the abortion when the woman has to decide
how to resolve an unwanted pregnancy. Responses after
abortion reflect the range of psychological experience and
the resources a woman has for coping with negative life
events. While there may be temporary sensations of regret,
sadness or guilt the weight of the evidence indicates that
legal abortion of an unwanted pregnancy in the first
trimester does not pose a severe psychological hazard for
the vast majority of women. Indeed, most women report
experiencing a feeling of relief�pof anxiety lifted.
A longer term study3 found that the wellbeing of 773 women,
interviewed annually in a national sample of 5,295 women,
was unrelated to their abortion experience eight years
earlier. Women who had had an abortion had a statistically
significant higher global self-esteem rating than women who
had never had an abortion. This difference was even greater
when comparing aborting women with those delivering unwanted
pregnancies (who had the lowest self-esteem). Women who had
experienced repeat abortions did not differ in self-esteem
from women who had never had an abortion. In all, the
evidence confirmed earlier findings that factors other than
the abortion experience itself determine post abortion
emotional status, particularly how a woman perceives her
pregnancy and how she believes it to be perceived in her
immediate social environment. Some women continually
reconstruct and reinterpret past events in the light of
subsequent experience and can be pressured into feeling
guilt and shame long afterwards.
Denmark offers unique opportunities for research in
reproductive health because it has a uniform national
population registration system that provides access to
national abortion, birth and admission to psychiatric
hospital registers. Linkage among these registers makes it
possible to compare the risks of psychiatric hospital
admission following abortion and childbirth. However,
because there may be a bias against hospitalising a new
mother, particularly if she is nursing, the relative
psychological risk of abortion compared with childbirth may
be exaggerated by using hospital admission as an operational
indicator of psychiatric illness.
Controlling for previous psychiatric history, first time
psychiatric hospital admissions were tracked three months
post-abortion and postpartum and for all other women
experiencing no fertility event under age 50 residing in
Denmark. Data were obtained on 27,234 women terminating
pregnancy, 71,378 women carrying to term and the total
population of 1,169,819 women 15-49 years old.4
Among women who were married or living in a stable partner
relationship, the post-pregnancy risk of admission to a
psychiatric hospital was about the same for abortions or
deliveries: approximately 1.3 per 1,000 abortions and 1.2
per 1,000 deliveries. While the difference between rates for
abortions and deliveries was not statistically significant,
the rate for the total population of women was considerably
lower (0.7 per 1,000). Among a smaller group of separated,
divorced or widowed women, those who had terminated
pregnancies showed a substantially higher psychiatric
admission rate (6.4 per 1,000) than did separated, divorced
or widowed women carrying to term (1.7 per 1,000). Women who
are divorced, separated or widowed may be relatively more
likely to be terminating pregnancies that were originally
intended, placing them at higher risk for negative post-
abortion psychological reactions. However, in the aggregate,
there appeared to be little risk to psychological wellbeing
after either abortion or delivery in Denmark.
In a longer term (up to 11 years) prospective cohort study5
of 13,261 women, organised jointly by the Royal Colleges of
Obstetricians and Gynaecologists and of General
Practitioners in the United Kingdom, there were four
comparison groups: 6,151 women who did not request abortion,
6,410 who obtained an abortion, 379 whose request for
abortion was denied, and 371 who requested an abortion and
then changed their minds.
Among the study's key findings were that (a) among women
with equivalent past psychiatric histories there were no
significant differences between the comparison groups in
overall rates of psychiatric illness; (b) women with a
previous history of psychosis were more likely to experience
a psychotic episode during the period of the study than
those who had no such history and that termination of
pregnancy did not appear to increase the risk; (c) women
with a past history of non-psychotic disorder or no history
of psychiatric disorder who had a termination were
significantly less likely to have a psychotic episode than
those who did not request a termination; and (d) in women
with no previous history of psychosis the risk of psychosis
after termination appeared to be lower than after
childbirth.
The authors note that many women were lost to follow-up
during the study and that at the end just 2,122 (34.4 per
cent) of the termination group and 3,000 (42.4 per cent) of
those who did not request a termination were still under
observation but that comparisons between the groups were
still valid.
Severe psychological reactions after abortion are
infrequent. Psychoses are very uncommon, being reported in
only 0.3 to 1.2 per 1,000 legal abortions. Individual case
studies and anecdotal reports of severe stress or
psychopathology following abortion abound in some of the
literature but there is no clear evidence of causal linkage
to abortion. While such responses can be emotionally
overwhelming for the woman concerned and for her family, the
number of such cases is very small, and has been
characterised by former US Surgeon General C Everett Koop as
'minuscule from a public health perspective'. Women
identified in the research literature as being at some risk
for negative psychological reactions�pand in potential need
of special counselling�pare those who terminate a very much
wanted pregnancy for medical reasons; lack support from
partners or parents for their decision; were coerced into
making a decision they subsequently regretted; are
conflicted about deeply held religious values; are uncertain
of their coping abilities beforehand; blame themselves for
the pregnancy; delay into the second trimester or had a
previous psychiatric episode.
For the vast majority of women, an abortion will be followed
by a mixture of emotions, with a predominance of positive
feelings. This holds immediately after abortion and for some
time afterward. Little is known about very long term effects
beyond 10 years. However, the positive picture reported up
to eight years after abortion makes it unlikely that more
negative responses will emerge later. Severe negative
reactions are rare. The time of greatest stress is likely to
be before the abortion decision is made. In all, evidence
from the research literature suggests that, in the
aggregate, legal abortion of an unwanted pregnancy in the
first trimester does not pose a psychological hazard for
most women. They tend to cope successfully and go on with
their lives. There is, as yet, no credible evidence for the
existence of post-abortion syndrome.
------------------------------------------------------------
1Rue VM. Abortion and family relations, Testimony presented
before the Subcommittee on the Constitution, US Senate
Judiciary Committee, US Senate, 97th Congress, Washington DC
1981. 2Usdin G. Psychiatry, letters, February 1990. 3Russo
NF, Zierk KL. Abortion, childbearing and women's well-being,
Professional Psychology: Research and Practice 1992, 23:
269-280. 4David HP. Post-abortion and postpartum psychiatric
hospitalisation in R Porter and M O'Connor (eds) Abortion:
Medical progress and social implications Ciba Symposium No
45 London, Pitman 1985,150-161. 5Gilchrist AC, Hannaford PC,
Frank P, Kay CR. Termination of pregnancy and psychiatric
morbidity, British Journal of Psychiatry 1995, 167: 243-248.
------------------------------------------------------------
Prepared for presentation at the international conference on
abortion, Abortion Matters, in Amsterdam, The Netherlands,
27-29 March 1996. An expanded, fully referenced version of
this paper is available from Birth Control Trust.
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer)
.

User: "Somewriter"
Title: Re: Pre Born Babies Do NOT Want To Die, Stop Killing (Aborting) Them.	25 Nov 2004 02:28:41 PM

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 00:35:20 -0500, "Robert Swarts" <rswarts@bu.edu>
wrote:

"The other Donald" <the_donald_13@yeehaw2.com> wrote in message
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"jsm" <jsm542@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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No. Probably seen it before, and I have no desire to feed your delusions.

How do you know? Did you ask it? When did you get so
self-fucking-righteous
that *YOU* get to speak for others?

They cannot speak for themselves! They are in the womb, unable to speak.
Give them a chance to speak by not destroying them!

ROTFL.
What a nut.
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User: "jsm"
Title: Re: Pre Born Babies Do NOT Want To Die, Stop Killing (Aborting) Them.	26 Nov 2004 01:39:42 PM

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No. Probably seen it before, and I have no desire to feed your delusions.

It shows a Fetus (Fetus is Latin for Baby)
in the womb, and the Baby looks just like a baby.
He/she is sooo cute.
Click here http://www.prolife.com/celeb.htm

This little Baby does not want to Die

How do you know?

Do you?

Did you ask it?

Did you ask the baby if it wants to die?

When did you get so self-fucking-righteous
that *YOU* get to speak for others?

It is not self-righteous, it is being human.
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User: "Attila"
Title: Re: Pre Born Babies Do NOT Want To Die, Stop Killing (Aborting) Them.	26 Nov 2004 02:23:17 PM

On 26 Nov 2004 11:39:42 -0800,

(jsm) in alt.abortion
with message-id <b971a682.0411261139.3f03b8c4@posting.google.com>
wrote:

(Fetus is Latin for Baby)

No, it isn't.
.

User: "Count Cottontail"
Title: Neither do Iraqis, so stop killing them.	21 Nov 2004 10:21:03 PM

User: "Julian D."
Title: Re: Neither do Iraqis, so stop killing them.	22 Nov 2004 06:03:59 PM

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 04:21:03 GMT, "Count Cottontail"
<Count1MoreVoteForKerry@CottontailClub.net> wrote:

Denied. Our troops will continue to kill Iraqi insurgents and those
that support them. Any innocent civilians killed during the
elimination of these illegal Iraqi combatants is the fault of these
insurgents.
Hell, the 'insurgents' are killing innocent Iraqis with their bombs.
.

User: "Ray Fischer"
Title: Re: Neither do Iraqis, so stop killing them.	23 Nov 2004 12:24:20 PM

Julian D. <jules@ersatz.com> wrote:

A classic excuse used by murderers and terrorists: They MADE me kill
all of those innocent people.
The proponents of war have become the terrorists they despise.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.

User: "CB"
Title: Re: Neither do Iraqis, so stop killing them.	21 Nov 2004 10:52:46 PM

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 04:21:03 GMT, "Count Cottontail"
<Count1MoreVoteForKerry@CottontailClub.net> wrote:
I see your point: none

"At least when right-wingers rant, there's a point."
Ann Coulter
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User: "Count Cottontail"
Title: Re: Neither do Iraqis, so stop killing them.	22 Nov 2004 10:15:41 AM

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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 04:21:03 GMT, "Count Cottontail"
<Count1MoreVoteForKerry@CottontailClub.net> wrote:

I see your point: none

"At least when right-wingers rant, there's a point."
Ann Coulter

Yeah, it's the the bone ridge running along the top of the skulls.
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User: "The other Donald"
Title: Re: Neither do Iraqis, so stop killing them.	21 Nov 2004 11:57:52 PM

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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 04:21:03 GMT, "Count Cottontail"
<Count1MoreVoteForKerry@CottontailClub.net> wrote:

I see your point: none

Big point, O' Clueless One:
Original subject: "Pre Born Babies Do NOT Want To Die, Stop Killing
(Aborting) Them."
New subject: "Neither do Iraqis, so stop killing them."
Moron. Does everyone have to draw you a fucking picture?
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.....and ordained minister
Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
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User: "Nostrobino"
Title: Re: Neither do Iraqis, so stop killing them.	22 Nov 2004 10:20:31 AM

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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 04:21:03 GMT, "Count Cottontail"
<Count1MoreVoteForKerry@CottontailClub.net> wrote:

I see your point: none

Big point, O' Clueless One:

Original subject: "Pre Born Babies Do NOT Want To Die, Stop Killing
(Aborting) Them."

I don't see any reference to that "original subject" in the post. If you do,
you are probably taking some illegal substance.

New subject: "Neither do Iraqis, so stop killing them."

Which NEW SUBJECT has nothing in the body of the post, and therefore (as CB
noted) makes no point.
But I will supply a point: The fact is that many Iraqis (and Muslims
elsewhere) DO WANT TO DIE; they do this voluntarily and in large numbers.
They are apparently happy in the belief that they will shuffle off this
mortal coil immediately into the company of 72 virgins, all 72 of them
presumably anxious to rid themselves of that status as quickly as possible.
Such eagerness for death might as well be facilitated promptly, as this not
only must satisfy the subject but also tends to prevent death and injury to
other people who DO NOT want to die, even in the hope of meeting half a
gross of virgins.
Now there's a point. See the difference?
N.
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User: "The other Donald"
Title: Re: Neither do Iraqis, so stop killing them.	22 Nov 2004 11:19:35 AM

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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 04:21:03 GMT, "Count Cottontail"
<Count1MoreVoteForKerry@CottontailClub.net> wrote:

I see your point: none

Big point, O' Clueless One:

Original subject: "Pre Born Babies Do NOT Want To Die, Stop Killing
(Aborting) Them."

I don't see any reference to that "original subject" in the post. If you

do,

you are probably taking some illegal substance.

Nope. I just know how to follow along with a thread.
When something appears amiss, I retrace what I've read and engage in
critical thinking and scrutiny to determine the posters message.
You, on the other hand, appear to be an abject failure on both processes.
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Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
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User: "CB"
Title: Re: Neither do Iraqis, so stop killing them.	22 Nov 2004 02:34:51 PM

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 05:57:52 GMT, "The other Donald"
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 04:21:03 GMT, "Count Cottontail"
<Count1MoreVoteForKerry@CottontailClub.net> wrote:

I see your point: none

did you have to go to school to learn to be so stupid, or does it come
natural?
"At least when right-wingers rant, there's a point."
Ann Coulter
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User: "The other Donald"
Title: Re: Neither do Iraqis, so stop killing them.	22 Nov 2004 04:57:03 PM

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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 05:57:52 GMT, "The other Donald"
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 04:21:03 GMT, "Count Cottontail"
<Count1MoreVoteForKerry@CottontailClub.net> wrote:

I see your point: none

did you have to go to school to learn to be so stupid, or does it come
natural?

Keep in mind that it was *you* that couldn't comprehend what was obvious to
someone that you called 'stupid.'
What's below stupid? Dumb *****, perhaps?
Keep that in mind the next time you open your piehole.
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-Donald in Austin
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Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
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User: "CB"
Title: Re: Neither do Iraqis, so stop killing them.	29 Nov 2004 01:00:27 AM

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:57:03 GMT, "The other Donald"
<the_donald_13@yeehaw2.com> wrote:

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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 05:57:52 GMT, "The other Donald"
<the_donald_13@yeehaw2.com> wrote:

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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 04:21:03 GMT, "Count Cottontail"
<Count1MoreVoteForKerry@CottontailClub.net> wrote:

I see your point: none

did you have to go to school to learn to be so stupid, or does it come
natural?

I guess you had to go to school to learn how to be so stupid.
No one can be that stupid naturally.
BTW, I've always wondered..how does it feel to be so stupid?
Do you get embarrassed when people laugh?
"At least when right-wingers rant, there's a point."
Ann Coulter
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User: "The other Donald"
Title: Re: Neither do Iraqis, so stop killing them.	29 Nov 2004 01:06:24 AM

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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:57:03 GMT, "The other Donald"
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 05:57:52 GMT, "The other Donald"
<the_donald_13@yeehaw2.com> wrote:

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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 04:21:03 GMT, "Count Cottontail"
<Count1MoreVoteForKerry@CottontailClub.net> wrote:

I see your point: none

did you have to go to school to learn to be so stupid, or does it come
natural?

Keep in mind that it was *you* that couldn't comprehend what was obvious

someone that you called 'stupid.'

What's below stupid? Dumb *****, perhaps?

Keep that in mind the next time you open your piehole.

That's it?
Millions of years of evolution and billions of dollars in technology and
this is the ***** you come back with?
GawdDAMN you're a stupid *****.
--
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn

"At least when right-wingers rant, there's a point."
Ann Coulter

User: "CB"
Title: Re: Neither do Iraqis, so stop killing them.	29 Nov 2004 12:00:38 PM

On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 07:06:24 GMT, "The other Donald"
<the_donald_13@yeehaw2.com> wrote: