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President redefines torture
-Maureen Dowd


First published: Sunday, January 30, 2005

WASHINGTON -- By the time House Republicans were finished with him,
Bill Clinton must have thought of a thong as a torture device.

For the Bush administration, it actually is.

A former Army sergeant who worked as an Arabic interpreter at Gitmo
has written a book pulling back the veil on the astounding ways that
female interrogators used a toxic combination of sex and religion to
try to break Muslim detainees at the U.S. prison camp in Cuba. It's
not merely disgusting. It's beyond belief. The Bush administration
never worries about anything. But these missionaries and zealous
protectors of values should be worried about the American soul. The
President never mentions Osama, but he continues to use 9/11 as an
excuse for American policies that bend the rules and play to our
worst instincts.

"I have really struggled with this because the detainees, their
families and much of the world will think this is a religious war
based on some of the techniques used, even though it is not the
case," the former sergeant, Erik R. Saar, 29, told The Associated
Press. The AP got a manuscript of his book, deemed classified pending
a Pentagon review.

What good is it for President Bush to speak respectfully of Islam and
claim Iraq is not a religious war if the Pentagon denigrates Islamic
law -- allowing its female interrogators to try to make Muslim men
talk in late-night sessions featuring sexual touching, displays of
fake menstrual blood, and parading in miniskirt, tight T-shirt, bra
and thong underwear?

It's like a bad porn movie, "The Geneva Monologues." All S and no M.

The AP noted that "some Guantanamo prisoners who have been released
say they were tormented by 'prostitutes.' "

Saar writes about what he calls "disturbing" practices during his
time in Gitmo from December 2002 to June 2003, including this
anecdote related by Paisley Dodds, an AP reporter:

A female military interrogator who wanted to turn up the heat on a
21- year-old Saudi detainee who allegedly had taken flying lessons in
Arizona before 9/11 removed her uniform top to expose a snug T-shirt.
She began belittling the prisoner -- who was praying with his eyes
closed -- as she touched her breasts, rubbed them against the Saudi's
back and commented on his apparent erection.

After the prisoner spat in her face, she left the room to ask a
Muslim linguist how she could break the prisoner's reliance on God.
The linguist suggested she tell the prisoner that she was
menstruating, touch him, and then shut off the water in his cell so
he couldn't wash.

"The concept was to make the detainee feel that after talking to her
he was unclean and was unable to go before his God in prayer and gain
strength," Saar recounted, adding: "She then started to place her
hands in her pants as she walked behind the detainee. As she circled
around him he could see that she was taking her hand out of her
pants. When it became visible, the detainee saw what appeared to be
red blood on her hand. She said, 'Who sent you to Arizona?' He then
glared at her with a piercing look of hatred. She then wiped the red
ink on his face. He shouted at the top of his lungs, spat at her and
lunged forward," breaking out of a shackle.

"He began to cry like a baby," the author wrote, adding that the
interrogator's parting shot was: "Have a fun night in your cell
without any water to clean yourself."

Who are these women? Who allows this to happen? Why don't the
officers who allow it get into trouble? Why do Rummy and Paul
Wolfowitz still have their jobs? The military did not deny the
specifics, but said the prisoners were treated "humanely" and in a
way consistent "with legal obligations prohibiting torture." However
the Bush White House is redefining torture these days, the point is
this: Such behavior degrades the women who are doing it, the men they
are doing it to, and the country they are doing it for.

I doubt that the thong tease works as well on inmates at Gitmo as it
did on Bill Clinton in the Oval Office.

http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/storyprint.asp?StoryID=328185

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Yeah, now torture is defined as listening to Keegan ramble about a
bunch of off topic crap.

i'm honored that you confused me with maureen dowd. it's more
difficult for you to misrepresent about the text being off-topic when
it's not staring you in the face isn't it?

Name one thing this has to do with abortion.