"Patrick Lee Humphrey" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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Funny how those who want doctors to be able to refuse to recommend or
perform blood transfusions or surgery aren't demonised by you, PJ. Do
you think a surgeon should be allowed to refuse to perform surgeries?

What happened to the right to choose for doctors?

If you really believe what you're blathering, South Carolina Cuckoo, why
aren't you demanding that policemen shouldn't have to bother with dealing
with crime?

Right choose. Remember that one. Liberty. Remember that, too. Equal measure,
remember that.

Cops are sick of not being respected because they are seen as the defenders
of whores and abortion doctors.

(If you have to ask the answer to your question, you're obviously far
too stupid to ever know.)

I know, and you don't.

"Patrick Lee Humphrey" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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[...]

Funny how those who want doctors to be able to refuse to recommend or
perform blood transfusions or surgery aren't demonised by you, PJ. Do
you think a surgeon should be allowed to refuse to perform surgeries?

What happened to the right to choose for doctors?

Why aren't you adovcating that for police?

In what way?

You mean the right not to respond to abortion clinic calls for protection?
Why not?

It's called a part of the job.

Part of what job?

Abortion doctor is a entirely different job from OB/GYN.

Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote
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Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote:

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Papa Jack cited:
On September 15, 2004,the AP posted an article by David Crary
titled: "Anti-Abortion Activists Broaden Efforts." Go to:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apus_story.asp?category=1110&slug=Abortion%20Refusals
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Excerpts:

"In Congress and states nationwide, anti-abortion
activists are broadening efforts to support hospi-
tals, doctors and pharmacists who - citing moral
grounds - want to opt out of services linked to
abortion and emergency contraception.

"A little-noticed provision cleared the House of
Representatives last week that would prohibit
local, state or federal authorities from requiring
any institution or health care professional to
provide abortions, pay for them, or make abortion-
related referrals, even in cases of rape or medical
emergency.
[...]

"At the federal level, abortion rights groups are
alarmed by the provision that cleared the House
last week, broadening protections for hospitals
and insurers that seek to avoid any involvement
with abortions. The provision would prevent govern-
ment officials from using any coercive means - such
as a funding cutoff or permit denial - to ensure
abortion-related services are available.

"Two years ago, the House passed a bill with the
same goals, but it died in the Senate without a
vote. Anti-abortion activists are pleased because
the revived proposal was sent to the Senate as part
of a broader appropriations bill and, at minimum,
will go to a House-Senate conference committee.
[...]

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Papa Jack comments:
Here we go again. It's a sad state of affairs when
Congress must pass laws to protect those professionals
who CHOOSE follow their conscience and refuse to kill
unborn children.

This tells a lot about the outlook of the Culture of
Death. They defend the concept of CHOICE as a euphemism
for killing unborn children -- but, these same folks
would take away the doctor's or nurses's right to make
a CHOICE about participating in abortions. IOW, people
who disagree with their way of thinking must be FORCED
to do as the Pro-Aborts say.

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Adam H. wrote:
Funny how those who want doctors to be able to refuse
to recommend or perform blood transfusions or surgery
aren't demonised by you, PJ....

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Papa Jack replied:
There's a good reason -- I've never heard of a doctor
who refused to perform blood transfusions or surgery.

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Adam H. wrote:
...Do you think a surgeon should be allowed to refuse
to perform surgeries?

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Papa Jack commented:
Of course -- this is America.

BTW, why did your hypothetical surgeon become a
surgeon if he had moral objections to surgery?????

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Adam H. wrote:
Why did your hypothetical OB-GYN...

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Papa Jack asked:
Which hypothetical OB/GYN is that, Adam? I don't
remember creating one in this thread.

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Adam H. wrote:
...become one if he/she had moral objections to
abortion?...

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Papa Jack explained slowly:

I know this is difficult for you, Adam.

But, believe it or not a large number

of OB/GYNs would never kill an unborn

child. And, many others would only do

an abortion if the life of the mother

was in grave danger.

................................................................

Survey on OB/GYN Practice/Attitudes on Emergency Contraceptives:

Publication Number: 1044
Publish Date: 1995-03-01

http://www.kff.org/womenshealth/1044-pkecpr.cfm

"...Of the two-thirds of obstetricians/ gynecologists
who say in their own practice they do not 'ever per-
form abortions as elective terminations of pregnancy,'
a majority (64%) say they have no 'objections or
concerns' about prescribing ECPs for their patients
and, in fact, 65 percent did prescribe ECPs at least
once in the last year. Among the more than half (56%)
of physicians who cite ethical, moral, or religious
objections as a main reason why they do not perform
abortions, the vast majority -- 84 percent -- do not
have the same objections about prescribing ECPs. Nearly
half (48%) of physicians who do not perform abortions
for ethical, moral, or religious reasons prescribed
ECPs at least once in the last year."
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Adam H. wrote:
...Hell, you even support refusing referrals to rape
victims. Is that compassionate conservatism, or is
that just being stupid? Sometimes it's hard to tell.

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Papa Jack remarked:
Where did you find that fantasy, Adam?

Yes, the proposed law would would "...prohibit local,
state or federal authorities from requiring any
institution or health care professional to provide
abortions, pay for them, or make abortion-related
referrals, even in cases of rape or medical emergency."

The point here is not what I would do, but, rather,
what should the government force a professional to do
against their own conscience.

That, of course, would not stop a pregnant woman from
getting an abortion under such circumstances. It would
only stop the government from FORCING any professional
to participate in any way.