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Pro-choice Condi may run for president |
2008 run, abortion engage her politically
By Bill Sammon
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice yesterday pointedly declined to
rule out running for president in 2008, and gave her most detailed
explanation of a "mildly pro-choice" stance on abortion.
In an interview with editors and reporters in the office of the
editor in chief at The Washington Times, she said she would not want
the government "forcing its views" on abortion.
She seemed bemused by speculation that a Rice candidacy could
set up an unprecedented all-woman matchup with Sen. Hillary Rodham
Clinton, New York Democrat, who is widely expected to seek the
presidency.
"I never wanted to run for anything -- I don't think I even ran
for class anything when I was in school," she said. "I'm going to try
to be a really good secretary of state; I'm going to work really hard
at it.
"I have enormous respect for people who do run for office. It's
really hard for me to imagine myself in that role."
She was then pressed on whether she would rule out a White
House bid by reprising Gen. William T. Sherman's 1884 declaration: "If
nominated, I will not run; if elected, I will not serve."
"Well, that's not fair," she protested with a chuckle. "The
last thing I can -- I really can't imagine it."
Several Republicans have floated the idea of a Rice candidacy
to counter Mrs. Clinton's prospects, especially since several
Republican officials with national prominence, including Vice President
***** Cheney and Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, have ruled out pursuing the
party's 2008 nomination.
Sen. John McCain of Arizona and former New York City Mayor
Rudolph W. Giuliani are often mentioned as prospective candidates, and
several other potential Republican candidates, such as Sen. George
Allen of Virginia and Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist of Tennessee,
have not yet developed a national following.
Other Republicans have questioned whether evangelical
Christians, a crucial component of the Republican base, would turn out
to vote for a pro-choice candidate. Miss Rice, a Presbyterian's
preacher's daughter who twice in the interview spoke of her "deep
religious faith," suggested it's a moot point. "I'm not trying to be
elected."
Miss Rice said abortion should be "as rare a circumstance as
possible," although without excessive government intervention. "We
should not have the federal government in a position where it is
forcing its views on one side or the other.
"So, for instance, I've tended to agree with those who do not
favor federal funding for abortion, because I believe that those who
hold a strong moral view on the other side should not be forced to fund
it."
Describing pro-lifers as "the other side" is one of the ways
Miss Rice articulates her position as a "mildly pro-choice" Republican.
She explained that she is "in effect kind of libertarian on this
issue," adding: "I have been concerned about a government role.
"I am a strong proponent of parental notification. I am a
strong proponent of a ban on late-term abortion. These are all things
that I think unite people and I think that that's where we should be.
"We ought to have a culture that says, 'Who wants to have an
abortion? Who wants to see a daughter or a friend or a sibling go
through something like that?'=C2 "
Miss Rice described abortion as an "extremely difficult moral
issue" which she approaches as "a deeply religious person."
"My faith is a part of everything that I do," she said. "It's
not something that I can set outside of anything that I do, because
it's so integral to who I am.
"And prayer is very important to me and a belief that if you
ask for it, you will be guided. Now, that doesn't mean that I think
that God will tell me what to do on, you know, the Iran nuclear
problem.
"That's not how I see it. But I do believe very strongly that
if you are a prayerful and faithful person, that that is a help in
guiding us, as imperfect beings, to have to deal with extremely
difficult and consequential matters."
Since becoming secretary of state earlier this year, she has
noticed a public interest about even her taste in fashion. Yesterday,
she wore a smartly tailored black suit with large gold buttons on the
sleeves.
"I like clothes -- I always have," she said to laughter,
answering a question. "You know, when I was 5 years old, my poor father
would go off to work on his sermon on Saturday -- he was the
Presbyterian minister -- so he would go off to work on his sermon. And
my mother and I would go shopping. Shopping is fun."
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12 Mar 2005 11:04:51 AM |
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wrote:
2008 run, abortion engage her politically
By Bill Sammon
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice yesterday pointedly declined to
rule out running for president in 2008, and gave her most detailed
explanation of a "mildly pro-choice" stance on abortion.
In an interview with editors and reporters in the office of the
editor in chief at The Washington Times, she said she would not want
the government "forcing its views" on abortion.
She seemed bemused by speculation that a Rice candidacy could
set up an unprecedented all-woman matchup with Sen. Hillary Rodham
Clinton, New York Democrat, who is widely expected to seek the
presidency.
"I never wanted to run for anything -- I don't think I even ran
for class anything when I was in school," she said. "I'm going to try
to be a really good secretary of state; I'm going to work really hard
at it.
"I have enormous respect for people who do run for office. It's
really hard for me to imagine myself in that role."
She was then pressed on whether she would rule out a White
House bid by reprising Gen. William T. Sherman's 1884 declaration:
"If
nominated, I will not run; if elected, I will not serve."
"Well, that's not fair," she protested with a chuckle. "The
last thing I can -- I really can't imagine it."
Several Republicans have floated the idea of a Rice candidacy
to counter Mrs. Clinton's prospects, especially since several
Republican officials with national prominence, including Vice
President
***** Cheney and Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, have ruled out pursuing the
party's 2008 nomination.
Sen. John McCain of Arizona and former New York City Mayor
Rudolph W. Giuliani are often mentioned as prospective candidates,
and
several other potential Republican candidates, such as Sen. George
Allen of Virginia and Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist of Tennessee,
have not yet developed a national following.
I have already predicted before John McCain. He is most likely the
best chance and probable chance at beating Hillary. Rice would make a
very good running mate. A McCain/Rice ticket...I can't see how they
could lose. McCain can reach out to both sides, Rice would get the
women's vote and the black vote.
I think both would make an excellent President and V.P.
Other Republicans have questioned whether evangelical
Christians, a crucial component of the Republican base, would turn
out
to vote for a pro-choice candidate. Miss Rice, a Presbyterian's
preacher's daughter who twice in the interview spoke of her "deep
religious faith," suggested it's a moot point. "I'm not trying to be
elected."
Miss Rice said abortion should be "as rare a circumstance as
possible," although without excessive government intervention. "We
should not have the federal government in a position where it is
forcing its views on one side or the other.
I happen to agree with Rice. She is making a lot of sense here.
"So, for instance, I've tended to agree with those who do not
favor federal funding for abortion, because I believe that those who
hold a strong moral view on the other side should not be forced to
fund
it."
Exactly!
Describing pro-lifers as "the other side" is one of the ways
Miss Rice articulates her position as a "mildly pro-choice"
Republican.
She explained that she is "in effect kind of libertarian on this
issue," adding: "I have been concerned about a government role.
"I am a strong proponent of parental notification.
I already liked Rice before, but I am finding more and more reason to
see why she would be a serious threat to Hillary.
She is right, parental notification should be a requirement.
I am a
strong proponent of a ban on late-term abortion.
Absolutely; however, I think that if a woman's life is truly in danger
and her as well as the child can't surive, then she comes first.
These are all things
that I think unite people and I think that that's where we should be.
"We ought to have a culture that says, 'Who wants to have an
abortion? Who wants to see a daughter or a friend or a sibling go
through something like that?'=C2 "
Miss Rice described abortion as an "extremely difficult moral
issue" which she approaches as "a deeply religious person."
"My faith is a part of everything that I do," she said. "It's
not something that I can set outside of anything that I do, because
it's so integral to who I am.
"And prayer is very important to me and a belief that if you
ask for it, you will be guided. Now, that doesn't mean that I think
that God will tell me what to do on, you know, the Iran nuclear
problem.
"That's not how I see it. But I do believe very strongly that
if you are a prayerful and faithful person, that that is a help in
guiding us, as imperfect beings, to have to deal with extremely
difficult and consequential matters."
She is a top notch person! I can see why she is scaring the Democrats.
Since becoming secretary of state earlier this year, she has
noticed a public interest about even her taste in fashion. Yesterday,
she wore a smartly tailored black suit with large gold buttons on the
sleeves.
"I like clothes -- I always have," she said to laughter,
answering a question. "You know, when I was 5 years old, my poor
father
would go off to work on his sermon on Saturday -- he was the
Presbyterian minister -- so he would go off to work on his sermon.
And
my mother and I would go shopping. Shopping is fun."
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13 Mar 2005 11:18:32 PM |
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I think the McCain/Rice combo would be unbeatable. The independents
and moderate democrats fed up with the Deanization of the democratic
party may be wooed. The neocons will happy with Rice there for foreign
policy matters. And it's hard to image that that it would have no
impact on the black vote having Rice as VP. Even if just a small
number of blacks crossed over, the democrats will lose.
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| User: "osprey" |
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14 Mar 2005 12:17:16 AM |
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The Devil's Advocate=A9 wrote:
I think the McCain/Rice combo would be unbeatable.
Agreed, I don't see how the Democrats could beat it.
The independents
and moderate democrats fed up with the Deanization of the democratic
party may be wooed.
I think that the independents are tired of both parties and all the
B=2ES. between the two.
The neocons will happy with Rice there for foreign
policy matters. And it's hard to image that that it would have no
impact on the black vote having Rice as VP. Even if just a small
number of blacks crossed over, the democrats will lose.
Rice is an intelligent woman. I have done just a little research on
her, her background is beyond impressive. She would run circles around
Hillary Clinton in any debate, I think. Plus, Hillary has shown she
can lose her temper and I think someone like Rice, as calm as she has
proven she can be under heat, would cause Hillary to lose it.
I'll tell you another woman that impressed the hell out of me, that's
Elizabeth Dole.
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14 Mar 2005 01:16:05 AM |
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The Devil's Advocate© <NOJUNKshoegazers@excite.com> wrote:
I think the McCain/Rice combo would be unbeatable.
They've both sold out to the neocon extremists.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Frank Dwyer" |
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14 Mar 2005 07:46:55 AM |
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The Devil's Advocate© wrote:
I think the McCain/Rice combo would be unbeatable. The independents
and moderate democrats fed up with the Deanization of the democratic
party may be wooed. The neocons will happy with Rice there for foreign
policy matters. And it's hard to image that that it would have no
impact on the black vote having Rice as VP. Even if just a small
number of blacks crossed over, the democrats will lose.
I'd bet her ticket wouldn't be able to carry the southern tier.
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| User: "Voice Of Reason " |
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14 Mar 2005 07:42:23 PM |
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On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:46:55 GMT, Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net>
wrote:
The Devil's Advocate© wrote:
I think the McCain/Rice combo would be unbeatable. The independents
and moderate democrats fed up with the Deanization of the democratic
party may be wooed. The neocons will happy with Rice there for foreign
policy matters. And it's hard to image that that it would have no
impact on the black vote having Rice as VP. Even if just a small
number of blacks crossed over, the democrats will lose.
I'd bet her ticket wouldn't be able to carry the southern tier.
Surprisingly, it might give Dems (with the right ticket) an opening in
the south! Neither McCain nor Rice are "true conservatives" on many
social and domestic issues critical in the Bible Belt states.
Remember, many of those who voted for Bush twice in those states have
voted for *Democrats* in their state and local contests. So, they are
not unwilling to vote for those Dems with whom they feel comfortable.
And yes, there may be some residual racism which might be exploited,
not only with Rice's presence on the ticket, but also with McCain's.
How? McCain has an adopted daughter from the Indian subcontinent --
IOW, a young lady of color. Bush's supporters anonymously played up
this tidbit during the 2000 South Carolina primaries, which Bush ended
up winning. Does anyone think local Dems in many of the Deep South
states are beyond doing this (via proxies, of course)?
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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18 Mar 2005 09:48:26 PM |
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In article <5oec31tq0hmdkr6tr70uonsb2n9s4rik2f@4ax.com>, Voice Of
Reason wrote:
On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:46:55 GMT, Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net>
wrote:
The Devil's Advocate© wrote:
I think the McCain/Rice combo would be unbeatable. The independents
and moderate democrats fed up with the Deanization of the democratic
party may be wooed. The neocons will happy with Rice there for foreign
policy matters. And it's hard to image that that it would have no
impact on the black vote having Rice as VP. Even if just a small
number of blacks crossed over, the democrats will lose.
I'd bet her ticket wouldn't be able to carry the southern tier.
Surprisingly, it might give Dems (with the right ticket) an opening in
the south! Neither McCain nor Rice are "true conservatives" on many
social and domestic issues critical in the Bible Belt states.
Remember, many of those who voted for Bush twice in those states have
voted for *Democrats* in their state and local contests. So, they are
not unwilling to vote for those Dems with whom they feel comfortable.
And yes, there may be some residual racism which might be exploited,
not only with Rice's presence on the ticket, but also with McCain's.
How? McCain has an adopted daughter from the Indian subcontinent --
IOW, a young lady of color. Bush's supporters anonymously played up
this tidbit during the 2000 South Carolina primaries, which Bush ended
up winning. Does anyone think local Dems in many of the Deep South
states are beyond doing this (via proxies, of course)?
The South is primarily Republican due to the racist attitude that still
prevails in the South.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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12 Mar 2005 12:41:04 PM |
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In article <1110647091.103834.166410@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
stevejdufour@yahoo.com wrote:
2008 run, abortion engage her politically
By Bill Sammon
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice yesterday pointedly declined to
rule out running for president in 2008, and gave her most detailed
explanation of a "mildly pro-choice" stance on abortion.
In an interview with editors and reporters in the office of the
editor in chief at The Washington Times, she said she would not want
the government "forcing its views" on abortion.
She seemed bemused by speculation that a Rice candidacy could
set up an unprecedented all-woman matchup with Sen. Hillary Rodham
Clinton, New York Democrat, who is widely expected to seek the
presidency.
"I never wanted to run for anything -- I don't think I even ran
for class anything when I was in school," she said. "I'm going to try
to be a really good secretary of state; I'm going to work really hard
at it.
"I have enormous respect for people who do run for office. It's
really hard for me to imagine myself in that role."
She was then pressed on whether she would rule out a White
House bid by reprising Gen. William T. Sherman's 1884 declaration:
"If
nominated, I will not run; if elected, I will not serve."
"Well, that's not fair," she protested with a chuckle. "The
last thing I can -- I really can't imagine it."
Several Republicans have floated the idea of a Rice candidacy
to counter Mrs. Clinton's prospects, especially since several
Republican officials with national prominence, including Vice
President
***** Cheney and Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, have ruled out pursuing the
party's 2008 nomination.
Sen. John McCain of Arizona and former New York City Mayor
Rudolph W. Giuliani are often mentioned as prospective candidates,
and
several other potential Republican candidates, such as Sen. George
Allen of Virginia and Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist of Tennessee,
have not yet developed a national following.
I have already predicted before John McCain. He is most likely the
best chance and probable chance at beating Hillary. Rice would make a
very good running mate. A McCain/Rice ticket...I can't see how they
could lose. McCain can reach out to both sides, Rice would get the
women's vote and the black vote.
Osprey figures everyone is a sheep, like he is. If you are black, you
vote for the black candidate, if you are a woman, you vote for the
female candidate, a man, the male candidate, if you are a Nazi - the
Republican.
Simple answers for simple minds - the Republican Ticket...
I think both would make an excellent President and V.P.
But Bush has slammed McCain. And you are a Bush supporter.
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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12 Mar 2005 04:34:43 PM |
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in article 1110647091.103834.166410@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com, osprey at
noneedtoknow@mail.com wrote on 3/12/05 12:04 PM:
stevejdufour@yahoo.com wrote:
2008 run, abortion engage her politically
By Bill Sammon
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice yesterday pointedly declined to
rule out running for president in 2008, and gave her most detailed
explanation of a "mildly pro-choice" stance on abortion.
In an interview with editors and reporters in the office of the
editor in chief at The Washington Times, she said she would not want
the government "forcing its views" on abortion.
She seemed bemused by speculation that a Rice candidacy could
set up an unprecedented all-woman matchup with Sen. Hillary Rodham
Clinton, New York Democrat, who is widely expected to seek the
presidency.
"I never wanted to run for anything -- I don't think I even ran
for class anything when I was in school," she said. "I'm going to try
to be a really good secretary of state; I'm going to work really hard
at it.
"I have enormous respect for people who do run for office. It's
really hard for me to imagine myself in that role."
She was then pressed on whether she would rule out a White
House bid by reprising Gen. William T. Sherman's 1884 declaration:
"If
nominated, I will not run; if elected, I will not serve."
"Well, that's not fair," she protested with a chuckle. "The
last thing I can -- I really can't imagine it."
Several Republicans have floated the idea of a Rice candidacy
to counter Mrs. Clinton's prospects, especially since several
Republican officials with national prominence, including Vice
President
***** Cheney and Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, have ruled out pursuing the
party's 2008 nomination.
Sen. John McCain of Arizona and former New York City Mayor
Rudolph W. Giuliani are often mentioned as prospective candidates,
and
several other potential Republican candidates, such as Sen. George
Allen of Virginia and Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist of Tennessee,
have not yet developed a national following.
I have already predicted before John McCain. He is most likely the
best chance and probable chance at beating Hillary. Rice would make a
very good running mate. A McCain/Rice ticket...I can't see how they
could lose. McCain can reach out to both sides, Rice would get the
women's vote and the black vote.
I think both would make an excellent President and V.P.
Other Republicans have questioned whether evangelical
Christians, a crucial component of the Republican base, would turn
out
to vote for a pro-choice candidate. Miss Rice, a Presbyterian's
preacher's daughter who twice in the interview spoke of her "deep
religious faith," suggested it's a moot point. "I'm not trying to be
elected."
Miss Rice said abortion should be "as rare a circumstance as
possible," although without excessive government intervention. "We
should not have the federal government in a position where it is
forcing its views on one side or the other.
I happen to agree with Rice. She is making a lot of sense here.
"So, for instance, I've tended to agree with those who do not
favor federal funding for abortion, because I believe that those who
hold a strong moral view on the other side should not be forced to
fund
it."
Exactly!
Describing pro-lifers as "the other side" is one of the ways
Miss Rice articulates her position as a "mildly pro-choice"
Republican.
She explained that she is "in effect kind of libertarian on this
issue," adding: "I have been concerned about a government role.
"I am a strong proponent of parental notification.
I already liked Rice before, but I am finding more and more reason to
see why she would be a serious threat to Hillary.
She is right, parental notification should be a requirement.
I am a
strong proponent of a ban on late-term abortion.
Absolutely; however, I think that if a woman's life is truly in danger
and her as well as the child can't surive, then she comes first.
These are all things
that I think unite people and I think that that's where we should be.
"We ought to have a culture that says, 'Who wants to have an
abortion? Who wants to see a daughter or a friend or a sibling go
through something like that?'Â "
Miss Rice described abortion as an "extremely difficult moral
issue" which she approaches as "a deeply religious person."
"My faith is a part of everything that I do," she said. "It's
not something that I can set outside of anything that I do, because
it's so integral to who I am.
"And prayer is very important to me and a belief that if you
ask for it, you will be guided. Now, that doesn't mean that I think
that God will tell me what to do on, you know, the Iran nuclear
problem.
"That's not how I see it. But I do believe very strongly that
if you are a prayerful and faithful person, that that is a help in
guiding us, as imperfect beings, to have to deal with extremely
difficult and consequential matters."
She is a top notch person! I can see why she is scaring the Democrats.
Presumably the GOP can beat the pro-life line into her...
Paul
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12 Mar 2005 08:36:33 AM |
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A Rice-Hillary matchup in 2008 will almost surely guarantee the entry
of a 3rd party candidate.
But while Hillary is already the heavy favorite to win the Democratic
nomination in `08, I'm not sure Rice can get the GOP nomination based
on her position on abortion, affirmative action (she supports that
too), and other *domestic* issues, where she has NO experience at all.
If John McCain runs again, I think he gets the nomination. A
McCain-Rice (or McCain-Giuliani) ticket is far more likely .
On 11 Mar 2005 22:59:17 -0800, wrote:
2008 run, abortion engage her politically
By Bill Sammon
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice yesterday pointedly declined to
rule out running for president in 2008, and gave her most detailed
explanation of a "mildly pro-choice" stance on abortion.
In an interview with editors and reporters in the office of the
editor in chief at The Washington Times, she said she would not want
the government "forcing its views" on abortion.
She seemed bemused by speculation that a Rice candidacy could
set up an unprecedented all-woman matchup with Sen. Hillary Rodham
Clinton, New York Democrat, who is widely expected to seek the
presidency.
"I never wanted to run for anything -- I don't think I even ran
for class anything when I was in school," she said. "I'm going to try
to be a really good secretary of state; I'm going to work really hard
at it.
"I have enormous respect for people who do run for office. It's
really hard for me to imagine myself in that role."
She was then pressed on whether she would rule out a White
House bid by reprising Gen. William T. Sherman's 1884 declaration: "If
nominated, I will not run; if elected, I will not serve."
"Well, that's not fair," she protested with a chuckle. "The
last thing I can -- I really can't imagine it."
Several Republicans have floated the idea of a Rice candidacy
to counter Mrs. Clinton's prospects, especially since several
Republican officials with national prominence, including Vice President
***** Cheney and Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, have ruled out pursuing the
party's 2008 nomination.
Sen. John McCain of Arizona and former New York City Mayor
Rudolph W. Giuliani are often mentioned as prospective candidates, and
several other potential Republican candidates, such as Sen. George
Allen of Virginia and Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist of Tennessee,
have not yet developed a national following.
Other Republicans have questioned whether evangelical
Christians, a crucial component of the Republican base, would turn out
to vote for a pro-choice candidate. Miss Rice, a Presbyterian's
preacher's daughter who twice in the interview spoke of her "deep
religious faith," suggested it's a moot point. "I'm not trying to be
elected."
Miss Rice said abortion should be "as rare a circumstance as
possible," although without excessive government intervention. "We
should not have the federal government in a position where it is
forcing its views on one side or the other.
"So, for instance, I've tended to agree with those who do not
favor federal funding for abortion, because I believe that those who
hold a strong moral view on the other side should not be forced to fund
it."
Describing pro-lifers as "the other side" is one of the ways
Miss Rice articulates her position as a "mildly pro-choice" Republican.
She explained that she is "in effect kind of libertarian on this
issue," adding: "I have been concerned about a government role.
"I am a strong proponent of parental notification. I am a
strong proponent of a ban on late-term abortion. These are all things
that I think unite people and I think that that's where we should be.
"We ought to have a culture that says, 'Who wants to have an
abortion? Who wants to see a daughter or a friend or a sibling go
through something like that?'Â "
Miss Rice described abortion as an "extremely difficult moral
issue" which she approaches as "a deeply religious person."
"My faith is a part of everything that I do," she said. "It's
not something that I can set outside of anything that I do, because
it's so integral to who I am.
"And prayer is very important to me and a belief that if you
ask for it, you will be guided. Now, that doesn't mean that I think
that God will tell me what to do on, you know, the Iran nuclear
problem.
"That's not how I see it. But I do believe very strongly that
if you are a prayerful and faithful person, that that is a help in
guiding us, as imperfect beings, to have to deal with extremely
difficult and consequential matters."
Since becoming secretary of state earlier this year, she has
noticed a public interest about even her taste in fashion. Yesterday,
she wore a smartly tailored black suit with large gold buttons on the
sleeves.
"I like clothes -- I always have," she said to laughter,
answering a question. "You know, when I was 5 years old, my poor father
would go off to work on his sermon on Saturday -- he was the
Presbyterian minister -- so he would go off to work on his sermon. And
my mother and I would go shopping. Shopping is fun."
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12 Mar 2005 02:34:43 PM |
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On 11 Mar 2005 22:59:17 -0800, wrote:
2008 run, abortion engage her politically
By Bill Sammon
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice yesterday pointedly declined to
rule out running for president in 2008, and gave her most detailed
explanation of a "mildly pro-choice" stance on abortion.
Yea ! Condi -vs- Hillary '08 ! Should be one HELL
of a cat-fight. Hillary is fatter, Condi has sharper
claws.
Of course Hillary seems to be becoming more and more
right-wing all of the time. By elections, will she be
that *different* from Condi ?
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12 Mar 2005 03:36:29 PM |
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BlackWater <bw@barrk.net> wrote:
On 11 Mar 2005 22:59:17 -0800, wrote:
2008 run, abortion engage her politically
By Bill Sammon
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice yesterday pointedly declined to
rule out running for president in 2008, and gave her most detailed
explanation of a "mildly pro-choice" stance on abortion.
Yea ! Condi -vs- Hillary '08 ! Should be one HELL
of a cat-fight. Hillary is fatter, Condi has sharper
claws.
Rice won't run. She'd have to explain lying to America.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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12 Mar 2005 09:28:06 PM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote:
BlackWater <bw@barrk.net> wrote:
On 11 Mar 2005 22:59:17 -0800, wrote:
2008 run, abortion engage her politically
By Bill Sammon
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice yesterday pointedly declined to
rule out running for president in 2008, and gave her most detailed
explanation of a "mildly pro-choice" stance on abortion.
Yea ! Condi -vs- Hillary '08 ! Should be one HELL
of a cat-fight. Hillary is fatter, Condi has sharper
claws.
Rice won't run. She'd have to explain lying to America.
"W" did quite well ... :-)
Anyway, Rice didn't "lie", she - like so many - simply had
incomplete information. What seems 20/20 sharp in hindsight
wasn't nearly so clear at the moment it happened.
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12 Mar 2005 10:53:59 PM |
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BlackWater <bw@barrk.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
BlackWater <bw@barrk.net> wrote:
On 11 Mar 2005 22:59:17 -0800, wrote:
2008 run, abortion engage her politically
By Bill Sammon
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice yesterday pointedly declined to
rule out running for president in 2008, and gave her most detailed
explanation of a "mildly pro-choice" stance on abortion.
Yea ! Condi -vs- Hillary '08 ! Should be one HELL
of a cat-fight. Hillary is fatter, Condi has sharper
claws.
Rice won't run. She'd have to explain lying to America.
"W" did quite well ... :-)
Anyway, Rice didn't "lie", she - like so many - simply had
incomplete information.
When her own statements ar ein conflict that's lying.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "chris.holt" |
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13 Mar 2005 02:49:48 PM |
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BlackWater wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
BlackWater <bw@barrk.net> wrote:
Yea ! Condi -vs- Hillary '08 ! Should be one HELL
of a cat-fight. Hillary is fatter, Condi has sharper
claws.
Rice won't run. She'd have to explain lying to America.
"W" did quite well ... :-)
True enough. Plausible deniability has been
superceded. Who needs a fig leaf when you're
shameless?
Anyway, Rice didn't "lie", she - like so many - simply had
incomplete information. What seems 20/20 sharp in hindsight
wasn't nearly so clear at the moment it happened.
Um, going from we know they have WMDs and we know where they
are, to supplying inspectors with data that proves to be
false, to denying those inspectors their chance to keep on
looking and saying no level of co-operation is good enough,
looks pretty clear to me.
Blair is still suffering from all that because he refuses
to release the legal opinion that was supposed to say the
war was okay. Some people are worrying about war crime
trials, though that's unlikely. But the US doesn't believe
in war crime trials if there's any chance they might be
found guilty.
War crimes, like taxes, are for the little people.
--
chris.holt@ncl.ac.uk http://homepages.cs.ncl.ac.uk/chris.holt
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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12 Mar 2005 05:40:01 PM |
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In article <d0vncs$37o$1@bolt.sonic.net>, Ray Fischer
<rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote:
BlackWater <bw@barrk.net> wrote:
On 11 Mar 2005 22:59:17 -0800, wrote:
2008 run, abortion engage her politically
By Bill Sammon
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice yesterday pointedly declined to
rule out running for president in 2008, and gave her most detailed
explanation of a "mildly pro-choice" stance on abortion.
Yea ! Condi -vs- Hillary '08 ! Should be one HELL
of a cat-fight. Hillary is fatter, Condi has sharper
claws.
Rice won't run. She'd have to explain lying to America.
It seems to have worked well for Bush. He lied and was elected
President.
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| User: "Frank Dwyer" |
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13 Mar 2005 09:31:00 AM |
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David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <d0vncs$37o$1@bolt.sonic.net>, Ray Fischer
<rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote:
BlackWater <bw@barrk.net> wrote:
On 11 Mar 2005 22:59:17 -0800, wrote:
2008 run, abortion engage her politically
By Bill Sammon
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice yesterday pointedly declined to
rule out running for president in 2008, and gave her most detailed
explanation of a "mildly pro-choice" stance on abortion.
Yea ! Condi -vs- Hillary '08 ! Should be one HELL
of a cat-fight. Hillary is fatter, Condi has sharper
claws.
Rice won't run. She'd have to explain lying to America.
It seems to have worked well for Bush. He lied and was elected
President.
As did all presidents prior and as will all presidents to come.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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13 Mar 2005 12:58:35 PM |
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In article <U0ZYd.359$mB2.204@news02.roc.ny>, Frank Dwyer
<fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <d0vncs$37o$1@bolt.sonic.net>, Ray Fischer
<rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote:
BlackWater <bw@barrk.net> wrote:
On 11 Mar 2005 22:59:17 -0800, wrote:
2008 run, abortion engage her politically
By Bill Sammon
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice yesterday pointedly declined to
rule out running for president in 2008, and gave her most detailed
explanation of a "mildly pro-choice" stance on abortion.
Yea ! Condi -vs- Hillary '08 ! Should be one HELL
of a cat-fight. Hillary is fatter, Condi has sharper
claws.
Rice won't run. She'd have to explain lying to America.
It seems to have worked well for Bush. He lied and was elected
President.
As did all presidents prior and as will all presidents to come.
I mean VERY significant lies. TAXES, WAR, etc.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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12 Mar 2005 03:31:43 PM |
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In article <423351eb.10320810@news.east.earthlink.net>, BlackWater
<bw@barrk.net> wrote:
On 11 Mar 2005 22:59:17 -0800, wrote:
2008 run, abortion engage her politically
By Bill Sammon
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice yesterday pointedly declined to
rule out running for president in 2008, and gave her most detailed
explanation of a "mildly pro-choice" stance on abortion.
Yea ! Condi -vs- Hillary '08 ! Should be one HELL
of a cat-fight. Hillary is fatter, Condi has sharper
claws.
Of course Hillary seems to be becoming more and more
right-wing all of the time. By elections, will she be
that *different* from Condi ?
I just hope to God she gets the Republican nomination.
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| User: "BlackWater" |
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12 Mar 2005 09:26:39 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote:
In article <423351eb.10320810@news.east.earthlink.net>, BlackWater
<bw@barrk.net> wrote:
On 11 Mar 2005 22:59:17 -0800, wrote:
2008 run, abortion engage her politically
By Bill Sammon
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice yesterday pointedly declined to
rule out running for president in 2008, and gave her most detailed
explanation of a "mildly pro-choice" stance on abortion.
Yea ! Condi -vs- Hillary '08 ! Should be one HELL
of a cat-fight. Hillary is fatter, Condi has sharper
claws.
Of course Hillary seems to be becoming more and more
right-wing all of the time. By elections, will she be
that *different* from Condi ?
I just hope to God she gets the Republican nomination.
Well, so far she doesn't seem super-interested in running - but
she hasn't ruled it out either. Other than maybe Guliani, I'm
not sure who the GOP has to run next time - and I suspect that
Guliani has been less-than-public because he has some skeletons
in his closet. New York politicians tend to ...
As for getting the nomination - no matter what the libs say about
the GOP being racist, I think she'd win. Part of being a NEO-con
was to put the olde tyme racism away ... leave it to the Dems
instead.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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12 Mar 2005 09:44:31 PM |
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In article <NLMzQqMQ+NR8zXRCB0O09V0+R52w@4ax.com>, BlackWater
<bw@barrk.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote:
In article <423351eb.10320810@news.east.earthlink.net>, BlackWater
<bw@barrk.net> wrote:
On 11 Mar 2005 22:59:17 -0800, wrote:
2008 run, abortion engage her politically
By Bill Sammon
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice yesterday pointedly declined to
rule out running for president in 2008, and gave her most detailed
explanation of a "mildly pro-choice" stance on abortion.
Yea ! Condi -vs- Hillary '08 ! Should be one HELL
of a cat-fight. Hillary is fatter, Condi has sharper
claws.
Of course Hillary seems to be becoming more and more
right-wing all of the time. By elections, will she be
that *different* from Condi ?
I just hope to God she gets the Republican nomination.
Well, so far she doesn't seem super-interested in running - but
she hasn't ruled it out either. Other than maybe Guliani, I'm
not sure who the GOP has to run next time - and I suspect that
Guliani has been less-than-public because he has some skeletons
in his closet. New York politicians tend to ...
Condoleezza Rice would be EASY to beat.
Rudolph Giuliani would be tougher, but still not bad.
As for getting the nomination - no matter what the libs say about
the GOP being racist, I think she'd win. Part of being a NEO-con
was to put the olde tyme racism away ... leave it to the Dems
instead.
The Republicans are even more racist today than they ever were. They
just work hard to hide it.
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| User: "Voice Of Reason " |
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13 Mar 2005 03:24:52 PM |
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On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 19:44:31 -0800, "David W. Barnes"
<dbarnes@aol.com> wrote:
In article <NLMzQqMQ+NR8zXRCB0O09V0+R52w@4ax.com>, BlackWater
<bw@barrk.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote:
In article <423351eb.10320810@news.east.earthlink.net>, BlackWater
<bw@barrk.net> wrote:
On 11 Mar 2005 22:59:17 -0800, wrote:
2008 run, abortion engage her politically
By Bill Sammon
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice yesterday pointedly declined to
rule out running for president in 2008, and gave her most detailed
explanation of a "mildly pro-choice" stance on abortion.
Yea ! Condi -vs- Hillary '08 ! Should be one HELL
of a cat-fight. Hillary is fatter, Condi has sharper
claws.
Of course Hillary seems to be becoming more and more
right-wing all of the time. By elections, will she be
that *different* from Condi ?
I just hope to God she gets the Republican nomination.
Well, so far she doesn't seem super-interested in running - but
she hasn't ruled it out either. Other than maybe Guliani, I'm
not sure who the GOP has to run next time - and I suspect that
Guliani has been less-than-public because he has some skeletons
in his closet. New York politicians tend to ...
Condoleezza Rice would be EASY to beat.
I agree to some extent. Her views on domestic issues make her a hard
sell to those GOP primary voters in key "red" states, and she has
never held elected office, and in fact, no real executive experience
anywhere. She may wind up running for Senator in California instead.
I think those GOP'ers getting a hard-on over a potential Rice
candidacy really need to think this through a little more. Her views
on most domestic and social issues might be very similar to Hillary's.
Is this what they want?
Rudolph Giuliani would be tougher, but still not bad.
If anything, Rudy is to the *left* of Rice on some social issues (gay
rights, immigration, gun control, abortion, etc), which won't play
well in the South and other key GOP states (but *did* play well in
NYC).
He'll try to make everyone forget about his positions and policies as
they stood at the end of the day on 9/10/01 (and they were quite
liberal by GOP standards), and instead have everyone focus on the last
4 months of his 8-year admin, where his strong leadership skills
surfaced for all to see.
McCain, like the others, has flaws and they surfaced during the 2000
primaries. Plus his advancing age may work against him. Bill Frist
doesn't get anyone excited and has little to show since becoming
Senate boss. Jeb Bush insists he's not interested, and I'm not sure
who else there is. So maybe Rice could slip through the primaries
anyway, against this relatively weak "B" team.
Frankly, if Colin Powell were 5-10 years younger, he'd be a lock for
the nomination if he wanted it. He has everything Rice has, and more.
Much more.
The other "lock" could be Schwartzenegger, if a constitutional
amendment allowing him to become President passes by late 2007 -- but
that is extremely doubtful. He may have to wait until 2012, or later
for such an amendment.
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| User: "The Devils Advocate©" |
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13 Mar 2005 11:27:23 PM |
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On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:24:52 -0500, Voice Of Reason <> wrote:
Condoleezza Rice would be EASY to beat.
I agree to some extent. Her views on domestic issues make her a hard
sell to those GOP primary voters in key "red" states
So they'd vote for Hillary instead?
I think those GOP'ers getting a hard-on over a potential Rice
candidacy really need to think this through a little more. Her views
on most domestic and social issues might be very similar to Hillary's.
Is this what they want?
I do think people don't know enough about her on domestic issues yet.
Rudolph Giuliani would be tougher, but still not bad.
If anything, Rudy is to the *left* of Rice on some social issues (gay
rights, immigration, gun control, abortion, etc), which won't play
well in the South and other key GOP states (but *did* play well in
NYC).
He'll try to make everyone forget about his positions and policies as
they stood at the end of the day on 9/10/01 (and they were quite
liberal by GOP standards), and instead have everyone focus on the last
4 months of his 8-year admin, where his strong leadership skills
surfaced for all to see.
By 2008 he'll have lost too much wind behind his sails. His national
fame was built on the ashes of the WTC and in 4 year nobody will
really care who he is. I listened to his during the RNC and his speech
didn't impress me much, just a lot of cheer leading and rhetoric. He'd
be a good fundraiser, and that's about it.
McCain, like the others, has flaws and they surfaced during the 2000
primaries. Plus his advancing age may work against him.
Older than Reagan?
Frankly, if Colin Powell were 5-10 years younger, he'd be a lock for
the nomination if he wanted it. He has everything Rice has, and more.
Much more.
I don't think Colin Powell is too old to run, but he's simply not
interested in the position. The last 4 years were probably tough
enough on him.
The other "lock" could be Schwartzenegger, if a constitutional
amendment allowing him to become President passes by late 2007 -- but
that is extremely doubtful. He may have to wait until 2012, or later
for such an amendment.
I don't think anyone is going amend the constitution just for him, it
would take quite some hubris on his part to request this. Besides, his
popularity rating in California would have to be steller for him to be
the shoe in candidate for president, and he only has moderate approval
here.
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14 Mar 2005 08:21:28 PM |
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On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 05:27:23 GMT, The Devil's Advocate©
<NOJUNKshoegazers@excite.com> wrote:
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:24:52 -0500, Voice Of Reason <> wrote:
Condoleezza Rice would be EASY to beat.
I agree to some extent. Her views on domestic issues make her a hard
sell to those GOP primary voters in key "red" states
So they'd vote for Hillary instead?
In the *primaries*?? No, they'd probably go with Bil Frist, or John
McCain, the latter perhaps grudgingly if opponents pull the same stuff
on him that Bush did during the 2000 South Carolina primary.
Or maybe they'll go with perhaps someone else not yet known to be a
2008 candidate (Rudy Giuliani is the only other person I can think of
right that might be running in the 2008 GOP primaries). Frankly, my
early impression (and it IS early) is that the potential field is not
particularly impressive.
I think those GOP'ers getting a hard-on over a potential Rice
candidacy really need to think this through a little more. Her views
on most domestic and social issues might be very similar to Hillary's.
Is this what they want?
I do think people don't know enough about her on domestic issues yet.
But she has offered up clues in the past on social issues like AA, and
abortion. Guess what -- from what she's allowed to be inferred, a lot
of the red-meat conservatives in the south and also elsewhere won't be
too pleased.
Rudolph Giuliani would be tougher, but still not bad.
If anything, Rudy is to the *left* of Rice on some social issues (gay
rights, immigration, gun control, abortion, etc), which won't play
well in the South and other key GOP states (but *did* play well in
NYC).
He'll try to make everyone forget about his positions and policies as
they stood at the end of the day on 9/10/01 (and they were quite
liberal by GOP standards), and instead have everyone focus on the last
4 months of his 8-year admin, where his strong leadership skills
surfaced for all to see.
By 2008 he'll have lost too much wind behind his sails. His national
fame was built on the ashes of the WTC and in 4 year nobody will
really care who he is. I listened to his during the RNC and his speech
didn't impress me much, just a lot of cheer leading and rhetoric. He'd
be a good fundraiser, and that's about it.
He's *always* been good at raising money, that is true. I agree he's
been playing the 9/11 card relentlessly. In fact, on 9/10/01, he
wasn't that popular in NYC, a lame duck who had just gone thru a messy
divorce while running around with another woman, and then was living
with 2 gay men for a while after the wife kicked him out. All this
was killing his numbers, as the sun set over the city on the night of
9/10/01. After the next morning, all that was forgotten, but
potential opponments will gladly recycle this, especially in the
southern primaries.
McCain, like the others, has flaws and they surfaced during the 2000
primaries. Plus his advancing age may work against him.
Older than Reagan?
I think he will be by 2008, plus he's already had cancer and other
health issues, whereas Reagan was 100% healthy when he ran the first
time. Look for the other primary candidates to implicitly make
"energy" an issue.
Frankly, if Colin Powell were 5-10 years younger, he'd be a lock for
the nomination if he wanted it. He has everything Rice has, and more.
Much more.
I don't think Colin Powell is too old to run, but he's simply not
interested in the position. The last 4 years were probably tough
enough on him.
Agreed. However, it's not that *I* think he's too old, but that he'd
be perceived that way against many fresh faces (other than McCain).
Again, there would be a lot of "energetic" type photo-ops, etc, by the
rivals.
The other "lock" could be Schwartzenegger, if a constitutional
amendment allowing him to become President passes by late 2007 -- but
that is extremely doubtful. He may have to wait until 2012, or later
for such an amendment.
I don't think anyone is going amend the constitution just for him, it
would take quite some hubris on his part to request this. Besides, his
popularity rating in California would have to be steller for him to be
the shoe in candidate for president, and he only has moderate approval
here.
Oh, I doubt *he* would request this, at least not openly. I think
many party bigs would look at the potential lineup in 2008, and say
"we want something bigger". In any event, the constitutional
amendment process can take *years* and since 38 state legislatures
have to approve, this means that at least some "blue" states would
have to agree. I suspect many would drag their feet until after the
2008 lineups are set.
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| User: "" |
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12 Mar 2005 08:38:50 AM |
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To be just a little racist about this, but
***** THAT NIGRA *****
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| User: "" |
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12 Mar 2005 10:49:36 AM |
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I guess you'll be voting for Hillary then?
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| User: "Miss Anne Thrope" |
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14 Mar 2005 07:15:01 AM |
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Yeah, she definitely sounds smart enough to be president.........."Me
like clothes!" "Me like to go shopping!" "Me going to bomb the crap
out of a small nation of brown skinned people!"
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| User: "Osprey" |
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14 Mar 2005 02:53:14 PM |
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"Miss Anne Thrope" <High_Colonic@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:13146-42358E55-165@storefull-3155.bay.webtv.net...
Yeah, she definitely sounds smart enough to be president.........."Me
like clothes!" "Me like to go shopping!" "Me going to bomb the crap
out of a small nation of brown skinned people!"
She sounds a lot smarter than you.
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